Poll: Majority says child born outside U.S. to one American-citizen parent isn’t a “natural born” citizen

posted at 7:21 pm on May 27, 2014 by Allahpundit

The easiest prediction of the 2016 primaries is that Republicans will have a profound change of heart on who is and isn’t “natural born” once more of them become better acquainted with the circumstances of Ted Cruz’s birth.

For now, though: Disqualified.

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Fifty-two percent overall and 53 percent of Republicans think you’re not “natural born” if you were born abroad to an American-citizen mother — and yet, when asked point-blank whether Cruz is eligible to be president, 55 percent of Republicans say yes versus just nine percent who say no. When asked the same question of Obama, the split is 31/55 even though the Birther scenario in which O was secretly born in Kenya would put him in precisely the same situation as Cruz (born abroad, citizen mother, non-citizen father). Does that mean the GOP electorate’s destined to turn on Cruz once more of them discover where he was born, fearing that his immigrant parentage and Canadian birth have left his loyalty to the U.S. hopelessly compromised? Er, no. A reversal on this subject is far more likely. After all, you can define “natural born” various ways — by place of birth, parents’ citizenship, or some combo thereof. For example:

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As long as you’re born here and have one parent who’s a citizen, most Americans think you qualify as “natural born.” In fact, for a near-majority, being born here is all that matters: 47 percent say that a child born on U.S. soil to two non-citizen parents is “natural born” versus 40 percent who disagree. (Among Democrats the split is 57/30 versus 35/50 for Republicans. Go figure that Dems would be quick to establish citizenship for illegals.) If instead you’re born abroad, per the first graph above, you’re suspect unless both parents are American citizens. The elephant in the room with all those numbers, though, is the Birther accusations that dogged Obama for the first few years of his presidency; lots of low-information voters have encountered the “natural born” question before only in the specific context of O’s birth, and as such, their views of it are infused with partisanship. Once the details of Cruz’s birth become more widely known, that partisan pressure will ease and the public will, I think, start to settle on the view that anyone born to at least one parent who’s an American citizen qualifies for the presidency, regardless of their place of birth. And Cruz’s status in the 2016 field as the conservative di tutti conservatives will speed the process along. The “natural born” requirement is, after all, a safeguard to ensure the president’s national loyalty. It’s easy for critics to question that with a candidate who’s accused of socialist/transnationalist sympathies, not so easy to do it with someone like Cruz.

Exit question: Who are the five percent above who think being born in the U.S. to two citizen parents does not make you a “natural born” citizen? Better yet, who are the six percent who think that being born abroad to two non-citizens does make you “natural born”? Besides Joe Biden, I mean.


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What? No ruling?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Obviously having 6 years of Obama has changed peoples minds.

portlandon on May 27, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Exit question: Who are the five percent above who think being born in the U.S. to two citizen parents does not make you a “natural born” citizen? Better yet, who are the six percent who think that being born abroad to two non-citizens does make you “natural born”?

Deranged lunatics who have no business being anywhere but in an insane asylum.

nobar on May 27, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen. Anyone who is a citizen at the time of their birth is a natural born citizen.

This is one situation where the saying “the masses are asses” rings true.

bluegill on May 27, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Better yet, who are the six percent who think that being born abroad to two non-citizens does make you “natural born”? Besides Joe Biden, I mean.

Paul Ryan also approves.

“Undocumented citizens”

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 7:26 PM

52% think a child born to a citizen mother outside the country should also be a us citizen while 54% think the same about a child born to a citizen father in the same circumstances. the difference there is straightup sexism.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:27 PM

So suddenly it’s perfectly okay to discuss this topic? Not racist anymore? No danger of being canned for talking about conspiracy theories?

Just checking.

slickwillie2001 on May 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Paul Ryan also approves.
“Undocumented citizens”
Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Worse, Paul Ryan calls illegals “exploited Americans.”
http://twitchy.com/2013/07/11/washington-post-paul-ryan-called-illegal-aliens-exploited-americans/

bluegill on May 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Oh come on folks, let’s be real, whether a person is a citizen or not, has nothing to do with the law, and everything to do with which party believes that that person will vote for them.

oscarwilde on May 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Hey, if The One can be Prez in light of his Virgin, er, ‘other’ birth, anyone anywhere is a citizen.

vnvet on May 27, 2014 at 7:29 PM

52% think a child born to a citizen mother outside the country should also be a us citizen while 54% think the same about a child born to a citizen father in the same circumstances. the difference there is straightup sexism.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:27 PM

It’s straight up something, KochForBrains.

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 7:32 PM

What? No ruling?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Where’s Trump when you need him?

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 7:33 PM

This sort of thing has been hashed out many times. Barry Goldwater, George Romney, John McCain, Lowell Weicker, and Chester Arthur all faced similar questions about their “natural born citizen” status. It never seems to amount to anything, as long as at least one parent was a US citizen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Eligibility_challenges

sauropod on May 27, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Paul Ryan also approves.

“Undocumented citizens”

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 7:26 PM

And don’t leave out Jeb Bush.

rbj on May 27, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Sure but if it is a democrat there will be judge shopping until the proper conclusion being reached….then nothing more. The case is closed, settled, law of the land.

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 7:37 PM

And don’t leave out Jeb Bush.

rbj on May 27, 2014 at 7:35 PM

See, AP? It doesn’t take long to get to that 6%.

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 7:37 PM

It’s straight up something, KochForBrains.

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 7:32 PM

that 2% are basically saying that women are ‘less than’ men. if thats not sexism what is?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:38 PM

that 2% are basically saying that women are ‘less than’ men. if thats not sexism what is?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Margin of error?

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 7:38 PM

In fact, for a near-majority, being born here is all that matters: 47 percent say that a child born on U.S. soil to two non-citizen parents is “natural born” versus 40 percent who disagree.

Sure, if the parents are in this country legally…why not???

But on the other hand, I read a story some years back about plane loads of Saudi women flying over here just to give birth…

What a mess….

BigWyo on May 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

0b00ba is ineligible to be president because he lied on every candidacy form he completed when he swore that he never went by another name than the one under which he is running. IOW, Barry Soetoro, call your office.

Plus when Barry married Michael, gay marriage was not legal in IL, therefore, he also lied on those forms about his marital status.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Margin of error?

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 7:38 PM

moe doesnt come in to play when comparing repsones from the exact same sample.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:41 PM

If one of your parents is American, you’re American.

The problem is children born in this country to people who came here illegally, or who came here “legally” but under false pretenses for the purpose of giving birth in this country and gaining American citizenship for a child. These children should not be automatically granted American citizenship.

novaculus on May 27, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Speaking of Cruz:

Reuters Politics ‏@ReutersPolitics 7h

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https://twitter.com/ReutersPolitics/status/471282949598347264/photo/1
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canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 7:43 PM

novaculus on May 27, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Like the children of diplomats born here.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 7:43 PM

Plus when Barry married Michael, gay marriage was not legal in IL, therefore, he also lied on those forms about his marital status.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 7:41 PM

oh my god you are insane. you really believe michelle obama is a man?

in the video he he was talking about adm michael mullen in the same few sentences and made a simple mistake.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:44 PM

BigWyo on May 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Birth tourism.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Are we getting an open thread for the Texas run-offs?

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM

moe doesnt come in to play when comparing repsones from the exact same sample.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:41 PM

It depends. People whose brains are on Koch go in and out. You must catch them at that exact microsecond when their brain either is or isn’t on Koch.

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM

oh my god you are insane. you really believe michelle obama is a man?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:44 PM

Dude, I’ve seen pictures of her/his package.

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Canadian Eh:
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Is Canadian-Born Ted Cruz Eligible to Run for President?
His mom was American, so that makes him a citizen by birth, he argues.

Updated: May 1, 2013 | 8:08 p.m.
May 1, 2013 | 3:27 p.m.
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There is, though, one question that nags at his possible goal of reaching the White House: Does Cruz, who was born in Canada, meet the constitutional muster of being a natural-born citizen? Cruz and a number of legal scholars say yes, but it’s an answer that begs for explanation.

The Constitution has only a few requirements for aspiring executives. Presidents must be at least 35 years old, have lived in the U.S. for 14 years, and be a “natural born Citizen.” Cruz is 42. Check. He’s lived in Texas for more than 14 years. Check. But the definition of what it means to be a natural-born citizen has never been decided in the courts and the Constitution doesn’t explain exactly what it means by “natural born,” according to Peter Spiro, a Temple University law professor and citizenship-law expert.

“These questions get decided in the court of popular opinion,” said Spiro,

who added he thinks Cruz counts as a natural-born citizen.

“Why deprive ourselves of having the opportunity to choose somebody on the basis of that kind of formality?”

Cruz argues he fits the requirement because his mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth. “I’m a citizen by birth,” Cruz said in an interview with Sean Hannity in March.

He was born in Calgary, Alberta, on Dec. 22, 1970, to a Cuban-born father, Rafael, and a Delaware-born mother, Eleanor. Both of his parents were in Canada working in the oil industry. They and Cruz moved to Texas, where his parents went to college, when the future senator was 4 years old. Federal law says that people born outside the U.S. to a parent or parents who are citizens and who have lived in the country are considered citizens at birth.

Some news organizations have taken a whack at answering this question as well. The Texas Tribune, for instance, said confidently in August 2012 that Cruz could be considered a natural-born citizen because his mother was a U.S. citizen. “Bottom line: Despite being born in Canada, Ted Cruz can be considered a natural-born U.S. citizen,” the Tribune wrote.

Harvard legal scholar Alan Dershowitz agreed. “Of course he’s eligible,” he told National Review. “He’s a natural-born, not a naturalized, citizen,” said Eugene Volokh, who’s a friend of Cruz.

Still, his Canadian birth means he’s also technically a Canadian citizen, according to Naomi Alboim, a professor who studies citizenship at Queen’s University in Ontario. But even if Cruz were to openly claim his Canadian citizenship along with his U.S. citizenship,

that wouldn’t legally prevent him

from becoming president. There’s no statutory bar to the presidency for dual citizens.

“Is it a wrinkle?” Spiro asked. “I think the answer is no.”
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/is-canadian-born-ted-cruz-eligible-to-run-for-president-20130501

canopfor on August 13, 2013 at 6:55 PM

canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Polls don’t mean jack. What does the law say AP?

Rovin on May 27, 2014 at 7:52 PM

HA! All of a sudden the commentators on Hotair want to give amnesty to a Hispanic!

RINOS!

V7_Sport on May 27, 2014 at 7:52 PM

in the video he he was talking about adm michael mullen in the same few sentences and made a simple mistake. ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:44 PM

“Most of all, Admiral Mullen, Deborah [Mullen], Michael and I also wanna acknowledge your son Jack who’s deployed today…”

He was talking too Admiral Mullen, genius.

Maybe he was talking about a corpse-man friend of his named Michael, I dunno.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Are we getting an open thread for the Texas run-offs?

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM

ALT: I have sent the whole 9 yards into AP/ED:0

Googley Search #1

Texas – Primary Run-Off Election

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About 17,200,000 results (0.41 seconds)
Search Results

GOOGLEY SearchaRoo #2

Texas – Primary Run-Off Election 2014

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canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Allah. What did your tweet about Noah Rothman becoming editor at large here at HA mean. I don’t always understand the tweety thing.

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 7:53 PM

At this point, I’d vote for Putin over the citizen in the White House.

Ronnie on May 27, 2014 at 7:54 PM

V7_Sport on May 27, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Amnesty nothing. I’m not a birther when it comes to Obama either.
Also-Ted Cruz isn’t ‘Hispanic’…Ted Cruz is a Texan.
Period.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM

V7_Sport on May 27, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Look JoJo’s girlfriend.

RickB on May 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Why is it always my job to teach you everything?

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Because somehow you keep drawing the short straw. ;)

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM

It is not up for a poll. But I guess it would matter in getting votes. It is either codified or it is not codified.

astonerii on May 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM

canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 7:53 PM
With any luck…bye-bye Dewhurst.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Another case of where a poll of Americans makes no difference, the law makes US “Citizens by Birth” since there is no legal definition of a Natural Born Citizen.

clippermiami on May 27, 2014 at 7:56 PM

Allah. What did your tweet about Noah Rothman becoming editor at large here at HA mean. I don’t always understand the tweety thing.

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 7:53 PM

You mean Bluegill has someone else to complain about.

RickB on May 27, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Dude, I’ve seen pictures of her/his package. Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Huh. Got a link?

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Actually, it most certainly does. You need to learn about sampling. A sample isn’t 100% reliable at conveying the universe of data. The smaller the sample, the less reliable it is. Higher variances are expected.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:53 PM

i know all of that. you arent understanding me. within this particular sample of people there are those who clearly say a father should automatically grant citizenship on his child but a mother shouldnt automatically on her child. so within this sample there are clearly sexist people. whether thats generalizable outside the sample is not clear. but within the sample it is.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Exit question: Who are the five percent above who think being born in the U.S. to two citizen parents does not make you a “natural born” citizen? Better yet, who are the six percent who think that being born abroad to two non-citizens does make you “natural born”?

These clowns are the nobility, and share the “Margin of Error” title. I have no idea where that Error place is actually located.

Rix on May 27, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Results for #immigration

https://twitter.com/hashtag/immigration

canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 8:00 PM

RickB on May 27, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I don’t know. I don’t always understand what folks are trying to say on tweety, too many hashtags and other crap and such. It read like this.

Allahpundit ‏@allahpundit 1h

Early #FF: New Hot Air editor @NoahCRothman

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 8:00 PM

They are correct…but what’s the point. Do we interpret the Constitution by polls now? The primary determinate of natural born is that BOTH parents be citizens…which is clearly not the case for our current White House squatter.

rjh on May 27, 2014 at 8:00 PM

It’s amazing how stupid ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch really is. blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:56 PM

It’s obviously a moron Dem tasked with trolling HA (at least), who is posting talking points, if not actually in contact with a feed for answers to points raised here.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 8:01 PM

tytping on an android thingy from the great state of Colorado…

this is a bummer for Cruz fans…but it’s early.

Liberal moonbats will make hay of it.

workingclass artist on May 27, 2014 at 8:02 PM

They are correct…but what’s the point. Do we interpret the Constitution by polls now? The primary determinate of natural born is that BOTH parents be citizens…which is clearly not the case for our current White House squatter. In any event, I believe Cruz would do more good in the Senate or in a Cabinet post, and Rubio should find a job on Calle Ocho.

rjh on May 27, 2014 at 8:02 PM

AP Politics ‏@AP_Politics 3h

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, in campaign flyer, attacks ‘amnesty’ plan for ‘illegal aliens,’ says @ericawerner. http://apne.ws/Ryvqx1
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/primary-nears-cantor-mailer-attacks-amnesty

canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 8:04 PM

What do we need a Supreme Court, or any court for that matter, as long as we have polls to tell us what is what…

right2bright on May 27, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Huh. Got a link?

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I think linking to it would not be appropriate. You can google Michelle Obamas Package and see it in images. But I was just screwing with KochForBrains’ brain.

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 8:06 PM

When I went to school, I think we learned about civics in the 8th grade. I recall being taught a Natural Born Citizen was a person born of two parents who were citizens of the United States at the time of the person in questions birth. The reason being there would be no chance of loyalty to another nation. A cititen was either natural or naturalized, but to distinguish between a natural and a natural born citizen was the requirement of both parents being citizens at the time of birth. That requirement is for one office only. The reason, which who we have in the White House currently becomes oxymoron.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 27, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Don’t worry, if Cruz shows any chance of actually getting elected as president the establishment in both political parties will fall over themselves to get him ruled ineligible, and they’ll succeed.

bgibbs1000 on May 27, 2014 at 8:07 PM

even though the Birther scenario in which O was secretly born in Kenya would put him in precisely the same situation as Cruz (born abroad, citizen mother, non-citizen father).

There’s actually slightly more to it than that and the ‘slightly more part’ is why Cruz would be qualified even though he was born in Canada and Obama would not have been qualified had he not been born in the US. You could should look it up.

Knott Buyinit on May 27, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Kinda severe don’t ya think? I don’t get this.

Popehat ‏@Popehat 2h

@allahpundit @NoahCRothman Die in a fire.

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 8:07 PM

As long as you’re born here and have one parent who’s a citizen, most Americans think you qualify as “natural born.”

Most Americans would be wrong, then.

The Constitution and Constitutional language is not open to popular vote. Natural born citizen has a meaning (known certainly to those who wrote the Constitution and the people of the time) that does not change just because society gets stupid.

Both parents have to be Americans. No ifs, ands, or buts. The Fouders didn’t allow for American dual citizens (though they certainly knew the concept of dual nationality/allegiance very well) so it’s clear that dual citizens were not part of the class of Natural Born Citizens and didn’t magically become so just because this nation decided to not enforce much of our immigration law (for example, the fact that a naturalizing American must renounce and abjure all other citizenships and allegiances and become nothing but American).

Barky isn’t a natural born citizen (because he was born a dual citizen, at best, probably gaining Indonesian citizenship when likely adopted by his second muslim dad) and he represents the exact sort of thing the Founders were trying to stop. Of course, looking at how Barky has killed America, the Founders have been, once again, vindicated (if at the expense of the Republic they created).

Cruz, also, is not eligible. He is not a natural born citizen. Even though he would make an excellent President and is American through and through, he doesn’t pass the NBC test and would not be allowed.

Of course, we are now subjects of the American Socialist Superstate, so none of this Constitutional stuff makes one bit of difference. We have no Constitution and no Rule of Law in the A.S.S.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 27, 2014 at 8:08 PM

I would say one is a naturally born citizen if one is a citizen without having been Naturalized. If your citizenship came from being Naturalized, you are not. Simple? Too simple? Where is Sophie?

KCB on May 27, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Ehm…the polls are now closed in Texas.
*hint hint*

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 8:15 PM

HA! All of a sudden the commentators on Hotair want to give amnesty to a Hispanic!

RINOS!

V7_Sport

Nothing sudden about you making stupid posts however.

xblade on May 27, 2014 at 8:16 PM

V7_Sport on May 27, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Amnesty nothing. I’m not a birther when it comes to Obama either.
Also-Ted Cruz isn’t ‘Hispanic’…Ted Cruz is a Texan.
Period.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM

I kid, I kid..

V7_Sport on May 27, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Look JoJo’s girlfriend.

RickB on May 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM

LOL, “girlfriend”? Maybe I should pass a note to her in study hall?
If I didn’t know better I would think that there are some here who are just intimidated by her.

V7_Sport on May 27, 2014 at 8:16 PM

When did it become such a difficult concept?

“Natural born citizen”…how can that possibly mean anything other than ‘a citizen at the moment of birth’?

anuts on May 27, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Yes, Cruz was had American citizenship at birth. NO, he is not natural-born. Sorry Cruz fanboys.

And other than that fact, why would any conservative seriously be considering a 1 term Legislator for POTUS??

ceruleanblue on May 27, 2014 at 8:19 PM

I believe the reason for the requirement for a Natual Born citizen being different from that of a natural citizen was in insure there could be no confusion as to loyalty or citizenship of the individual. Obama, case in point, who’s father was Kenyan which made him a citizen of the UK. Under British law, citizen ship follows that of the father. So Obama is both a British citizen, by law, and a U.S. Citizen although I believe his mother at the time was too young to confer citizenship upon him in 1961. But, let us face it, the Democrats wouldn’t care if Obama was an ax murdering pediphile with mulitple gay and straight marriages and Aids. He was mentored by Communists, taught by Marxist and honors a man who dedicated a book to Satan. Don’t act surprised when he turns out be be the worst President in our history.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 27, 2014 at 8:19 PM

canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 7:53 PM
With any luck…bye-bye Dewhurst.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 7:56 PM

ALT: Lets Hope:0

canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Also-Ted Cruz isn’t ‘Hispanic’…Ted Cruz is a Texan.
Period.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 7:55 PM

ted cruz begs to differ

His bio on his campaign website proudly notes that he was “the first Hispanic ever to have clerked for the Chief Justice of the United States” when he clerked for Chief Justice William Rehnquist and ”the first Hispanic Solicitor General in Texas.”

In a recent interview with Telemundo, Cruz referred to himself as a part of the Hispanic community and claimed that he believes the community is “profoundly conservative.”

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 8:20 PM

bastardized immigration rulings that don’t really deal with NBC used as precedence have muddied the water.
I have always taken an originalist view on it and, truth be told, could suck for me in 2016 re cruz.
oh well.

dmacleo on May 27, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Nothing sudden about you making stupid posts however.

xblade on May 27, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Glad you answered, how’d you know I was thinking of you when I posted “RINO”?

V7_Sport on May 27, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Anuts, suggest you look up common law to see what the term Natural Born Citizen meant when in was included in our Constitution. Natural Born was to eliminate the possiblity of dual citizenship. If you cannot fathom the reason for that, sorry.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 8:20 PM

I’ve voted for him twice-and I’ll be seeing him speak up close next week. The guy is all Texan

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 8:24 PM

That requirement is for one office only. The reason, which who we have in the White House currently becomes oxymoron.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 27, 2014 at 8:06 PM

learned the same except it was 2, potus and vp

dmacleo on May 27, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Yes, Cruz was had American citizenship at birth. NO, he is not natural-born.

Wait, what?

KCB on May 27, 2014 at 8:25 PM

I’ve voted for him twice-and I’ll be seeing him speak up close next week. The guy is all Texan

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 8:24 PM

so youre saying someone cant be both hispanic and texan. gotcha.

how about african american? can someone be black and texan, or are they also forbidden to be both?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 8:26 PM

I’ve voted for him twice-and I’ll be seeing him speak up close next week. The guy is all Texan

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Where?

KCB on May 27, 2014 at 8:28 PM

I’ve voted for him twice-and I’ll be seeing him speak up close next week. The guy is all Texan

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 8:24 PM

so youre saying someone cant be both hispanic and texan. gotcha.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 8:26 PM

That’s so perfect: That’s the exact opposite of what she is saying, you leftist panty-waste dope who is too lazy to use the shift key.

V7_Sport on May 27, 2014 at 8:30 PM

If you read Article 2 Section 1 Clause 5 closely, you’ll discover that both classes of citizen described therein had to be present when the Constitution was adopted. So it’s all pretty moot.

PersonFromPorlock on May 27, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Who gives a sheet about what a poll says. Polls do NOT, nor should they ever, determine was is legal or not. Cruz is Natual Born and if America doesn’t elect him as POTUS in 2016 we are literally doomed.

Conservative4Ever on May 27, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 8:00 PM

#FF is for Follow Friday. On Fridays some people post recommendations of people for others to follow. Allah’s getting a pretty big jump by posting it on Tuesday.

novaculus on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Dumb-azz: Texan is an attitude. It’s a state of mind. We don’t ‘do’ hyphenateds’ here. I was a Texan-in-Training long before I physically arrived in the state.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Anuts, suggest you look up common law to see what the term Natural Born Citizen meant when in was included in our Constitution. Natural Born was to eliminate the possiblity of dual citizenship. If you cannot fathom the reason for that, sorry.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on May 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I understand the reasoning just fine. And why the assumption the Framers were referencing British Common Law while crafting the US Constitution? I simply believe it’s best to stick with the actual language of the phrase:
Natural born citizen.

When one is “naturalized” for citizenship that means they became a citizen at some later point in life. Natural born would mean they became a citizen at what time in their life?

anuts on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM

‘DUAL CITIZENSHIP’

Just a note in response to the ‘DUAL CITIZENSHIP’ concerns from many in this thread: Ted Cruz no longer has ‘dual citizenship’. In 2013, Ted Cruz officially, legally renounced his Canadian citizenship

Pork-Chop on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM

KCB on May 27, 2014 at 8:28 PM

The state convention is next week.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Moot after obama. Cruz, or any candidate going forward, needn’t prove anything to anyone. No one has “standing” to ask anyway.

One32ndHekawi on May 27, 2014 at 8:34 PM

the sponsors here

Mr. Obama,

are real ironic
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

but whatever, I’m a racist or something. I’ve been called worse and will survive, have at me if you want. no hard feelings.

dmacleo on May 27, 2014 at 8:35 PM

The Obama Rule makes this discussion hollow. Move along.

Mason on May 27, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Moot after obama. Cruz, or any candidate going forward, needn’t prove anything to anyone. No one has “standing” to ask anyway.

One32ndHekawi on May 27, 2014 at 8:34 PM

As Crazy Cat said to Running Bear, “Where the Heckawi?”

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 8:37 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 27, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I’m jealous! Have fun!

KCB on May 27, 2014 at 8:38 PM

I always thought Calgary was in Texas. Lemme see:

1. Rodeo? check
2. Oil? check
3. Football team logo? check
4. Country music? check

Yep, Texas.

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:39 PM

When one is “naturalized” for citizenship that means they became a citizen at some later point in life. Natural born would mean they became a citizen at what time in their life?

anuts on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Even I know this one.

KCB on May 27, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Just a note in response to the ‘DUAL CITIZENSHIP’ concerns from many in this thread: Ted Cruz no longer has ‘dual citizenship’. In 2013, Ted Cruz officially, legally renounced his Canadian citizenship

Pork-Chop on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Natural born citizen is not a class that you can come and go from. Once you are not a natural born citizen (when you take on another citizenship, say) then you are never a natural born citizen, again. There’s no revolving door on the class.

If someone were born a natural born citizen and then renounced his citizenship, he would cease to be an American. If he later naturalized and became an American, again, he would not be a natural born citizen, even though he was born one.

Anyone born a dual citizen is not a natural born citizen. Anyone born a natural born citizen who takes on another citizenship later in life loses his natural born citizen status. Period. One way street.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 27, 2014 at 8:42 PM

When one is “naturalized” for citizenship that means they became a citizen at some later point in life. Natural born would mean they became a citizen at what time in their life?

anuts on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Simplistic and incorrect. Par for the course for you, though.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 27, 2014 at 8:44 PM

The best part of this poll is 5% of Americans think a child born to two citizen parents in the U.S. is NOT a natural born citizen…

LOL…

William Eaton on May 27, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Natural born citizen is not a class …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 27, 2014 at 8:42 PM

I’m not arguing the “natural born citizen” issue – I’m simply pointing out that Ted Cruz does not have dual citizenship.

Pork-Chop on May 27, 2014 at 8:48 PM

When one is “naturalized” for citizenship that means they became a citizen at some later point in life. Natural born would mean they became a citizen at what time in their life?

anuts on May 27, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Conception.

kcewa on May 27, 2014 at 8:48 PM

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