Pelosi: My preferred Obamacare ‘fix’ is single-payer, obviously

posted at 6:01 pm on May 27, 2014 by Guy Benson

Please don’t misunderstand. She is most assuredly not suggesting that Obamacare isn’t working fabulously as is.  Like the president, the House Minority Leader believes the new law is working “the way it’s supposed to,” a sentiment shared by a minuscule fraction of the public.  To drive home this point, she beams that the law is “beautiful,” and that Healthcare.gov is finally “well” — even as crucial elements that impact consumers have yet to be built.  Come to think of it, Pelosi tells Ezra Klein, the Obamacare rollout (!) is pretty compelling evidence of Democrats’ strong record on governance:

This line of thinking is roughly akin to that guy who recently cited…Benghazi as Hillary Clinton’s biggest accomplishment.  Points for sheer, shameless balls, if nothing else. Democrats find themselves torn between two O-Care narratives, which exist in tension with one another.  Safe liberals like Pelosi can cheerfully indulge the delusion of Obamacare’s glittering success, while more vulnerable members and candidates seek refuge in the “fix it, don’t nix it” camp.  In a nod to reality, Pelosi acknowledges there may be some elements to “improve upon,” prompting Klein to ask for an example or two:

PELOSI: I had some of my own suggestions that I couldn’t get through in the first round

KLEIN: How would you like to see it improved?

PELOSI: Well of course I wanted single-payer, and I wanted a public option.  But that not being in the mix, uh, you have to prioritize what it is you want to get over the finish line.  And now let’s refine and improve — and some of that relates to how it is implemented, so you see how it is implemented.

The phrase “first round” is telling.  Obamacare has never been the end game for elite lefties, and they haven’t been especially shy about saying so — even though they occasionally squeal about “smears” if you read back their own verbatim quotes.  Pelosi understands that a full-blown government system isn’t “in the mix” at the moment, so she concedes that settling for Statist incrementalism is the only viable path forward.  I couldn’t quite follow her tautological mumbling about implementation, but I think she’s offering a new spin on her infamous “pass it to find out what’s in it” insight.  The gist: People need to see Obamacare’s success more clearly, so they can better appreciate the greatness that lies within.  It’s basically a clumsy iteration of one of the president’s favorite tropes: The law’s enduring unpopularity is a function of a messaging problem, not of substantive flaws.  Speaking of public opinion, so many ignorant ingrates, so little time before November:

President Barack Obama celebrated when sign-ups for his health care law topped 8 million, far exceeding expectations after a slipshod launch. Most Americans, however, remain unimpressed. A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds that public opinion continues to run deeply negative on the Affordable Care Act, Obama’s signature effort to cover the uninsured. Forty-three percent oppose the law, compared with just 28 percent in support. The pattern illustrates why the health care law remains a favored target for Republicans seeking a Senate majority in the midterm elections.

Underwater by 15 points, as per usual.  Also, new Obamacare enrollments have neither “topped 8 million” nor “exceeded expectations.”  Oddly, the media’s attempts to cobble together a “winning streak” storyline have failed to catch fire with the public.  How is that possible?  I’m afraid I couldn’t possibly even begin to untangle such a vexing, impossible riddle.  Perhaps some of these people might have a few thoughts.  Parting thought:  For a party that’s so heavily invested in the “fix Obamacare” message, it’s remarkable how ill-prepared leading Democrats have been to field questions about specific fixes.  DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz couldn’t name a single change she’d support on MSNBC, and now here’s Pelosi rambling vaguely about refinements, or whatever.  The only thing she seems to know with any degree of certainty is that single-payer is her dream fix, with Harry Reid evidently on board with that eventuality, too.  Do 2014 Democrats agree with their party’s leadership that the best way to repair Obamacare is to hand the entire system over to a federal bureaucracy, a la the VA?  That question ought to be posed to every Democrat in America — and if they claim to dissent from the Reid/Pelosi line, they should be asked explain how they’d overcome the impulses of their own party’s leadership.  How has that effort gone for, say, Senators Mary Landrieu and Mark Begich on energy policy, for instance?


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Has Moo-chelle seen that picture?

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM

PELOSI: Well of course I wanted single-payer, and I wanted a public option. But that not being in the mix, uh, you have to prioritize what it is you want to get over the finish line.

 
The finish line of only all (D)s.

rogerb on May 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Has Moo-chelle seen that picture?

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM

I wish I hadn’t.

CurtZHP on May 27, 2014 at 6:07 PM

I couldn’t quite follow her tautological mumbling about implementation, but I think she’s offering a new spin on her infamous “pass it to find out what’s in it” insight.

Trying to figure out Nutty Nancy’s logic is a sure path to insanity.

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Our country is run by morons. This is the worst week imaginable to be pining publicly for Single Payer.

KCB on May 27, 2014 at 6:08 PM

I wish I hadn’t.

CurtZHP on May 27, 2014 at 6:07 PM

It’s gotta be Top 5 for creepiness on this site.

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Just like the Veteran’s Administration . . . . . who wouldn’t want that?

listens2glenn on May 27, 2014 at 6:09 PM

Pelosi: My preferred Obamacare ‘fix’ is single-payer, obviously

No kidding. They’re not even trying to hide it anymore. I have a newsflash for those reading – the VA is single-payer.

Judge_Dredd on May 27, 2014 at 6:10 PM

My preferred obamacare fix is to euthanize all those who put it in place.

There, fixed.

Diluculo on May 27, 2014 at 6:10 PM

In other words, she wants VA IHS quality care for all Americans.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM

As Ed pointed out in the past, Indian Health Services is far worse than the VA, even with the secret death lists.

Steve Eggleston on May 27, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Remind me when you and yours started living under the DeathCare scheme, Nanzi you old fascist witch.

Bishop on May 27, 2014 at 6:19 PM

In other words, she wants VA quality care for all Americans.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM

That’s how the government will save money. We’ll all be on secret wait lists.

rbj on May 27, 2014 at 6:24 PM

In other words, she wants VA quality care for all Americans.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM

VA care for the masses, Cadillac care for the Nobility.

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM

ObamaCare was designed to fail. That way PelosiMadame Defarge could move right on to singe payer.

Only problem was the 2010 elections.

Reality isn’t Nancy-poo’s strong point. She doesn’t even acknowledge that SHE is the reason the Democrats lost the House.

GarandFan on May 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM

That’s how the government will save money. We’ll all be on secret wait lists.

rbj on May 27, 2014 at 6:24 PM

No doubt indexed with voter registration databases (sorted by party affiliation) and DNC donation records.

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 6:29 PM

That photo, looks like Count 0 is going to give screwy nancy a hicky!

woodhull on May 27, 2014 at 6:29 PM

ObamaCare was designed to fail. That way PelosiMadame Defarge could move right on to singe payer.

Only problem was the 2010 elections.

Reality isn’t Nancy-poo’s strong point. She doesn’t even acknowledge that SHE is the reason the Democrats lost the House.

GarandFan on May 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Exactly. Obamacare is a dismal failure because it was DESIGNED to fail, so that single payer would be the only option.

ConstantineXI on May 27, 2014 at 6:30 PM

whatdItellya….

BBL…

Doc Holliday on May 27, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Pelosi: My preferred Obamacare ‘fix’ is single-payer, obviously

In other words, she wants VA quality care for all Americans.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM

+1000

bazil9 on May 27, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Does she plan on living behind locked gates for the rest of her topside life?

Murphy9 on May 27, 2014 at 6:31 PM

TUNA!!!

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Has Moo-chelle seen that picture?

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM

As long as she gets her burgers and pizza, I don’t think she gives a sh!t.

NavyMustang on May 27, 2014 at 6:32 PM

single payer is my prefered solution too.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Single Payer

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Has Moo-chelle seen that picture?

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 6:04 PM

It’s the one like that with Reggie that gets her to throwing lobster carapaces around the WH.

HumpBot Salvation on May 27, 2014 at 6:34 PM

single payer is my prefered solution too.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Mine too, as in you pay for your own fukking insurance.

HumpBot Salvation on May 27, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Pelosium: Heaviest And Most Destructive Element
***********************************************

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California has now identified with certainty the heaviest element known to science.
————-

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Pelosium is inert, and has no charge and no magnetism. Nevertheless, it can be detected because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact. A tiny amount of Pelosium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete.

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Pelosium mass will increase over time, since each reorganization will promote many morons to become isodopes.

This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that Pelosium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass.

When catalyzed with money, Pelosium becomes Senatorium, an element that radiates just as much energy as Pelosium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

Pelosium, while every dangerous, has not been shown to add anything of value to the mass!

http://mindlessandspineless.blogspot.com/2010/02/pelosium-heaviest-and-most-destructive.html

canopfor on October 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM

canopfor on May 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM

That photo, looks like Count 0 is going to give screwy nancy a hicky!

woodhull on May 27, 2014 at 6:29 PM

I hope he likes the taste of formaldehyde.

CurtZHP on May 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Single payer = VA. Are you sure you want it? We will have another government beaucracy like Amtrak, the post office etc.

Sven on May 27, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Go tell a Vet, Nan.

Philly on May 27, 2014 at 6:38 PM

Hey, Guy? Was your intention in selecting that picture to go on the main page with this story to make me deposit the contents of my stomach on my laptop? Because if so then Mission Accomplished!

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:39 PM

You have to give the Left credit. They never stop, even in the face of embarrassing defeat, ruin, calamity, murder, or stupidity.

faraway on May 27, 2014 at 6:39 PM

single payer is my prefered solution too.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:34 PM

And a functioning free-market is mine, and mine has the added bonus of being the better of the two options, so there’s that!

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

while america in general is coming around on obamacare and support is growing, a large portion of those who oppose it do so from the left stating their preference for single payer. this is why the majority of repuglicans arent actually stressing obamacare as an issue as the elections get closer. it was great for fundraising off of their base, but come november you wont hardly be able to recognize some of their positions on healthcare.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

I wonder if when you get that close to her face you can smell all the plastic surgeries?

Sven on May 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Once in a while the blog has to check in on Pelosi and confirm that she’s still batcrap crazy.
Not a pleasant task by any standard.

22044 on May 27, 2014 at 6:42 PM

She doesn’t even acknowledge that SHE is the reason the Democrats lost the House.

GarandFan on May 27, 2014 at 6:27 PM

I don’t think she even knows she lost the House. They probably put her in a closet with a picture of the House chamber in front of her and a gavel.

MichaelGabriel on May 27, 2014 at 6:43 PM

You have to give the Left credit. They never stop, even in the face of embarrassing defeat, ruin, calamity, murder, or stupidity.

faraway on May 27, 2014 at 6:39 PM

That’s because they know that the cowards and imbeciles in the Vichy GOP have their back. The left is free to be as nutty and stupid as it wants without ever having to worry about being held accountable or responsible. After all, the Vichy GOP is pushing the “fix it” message now for the America-hating dems and, instead of impeaching Barky for his un-Constitutional and criminal tyranny to let illegals be legalized at his whim, the Vichy GOP are trying to shove aid and comfort for the illegal invasion down our throat, too. The left has open field running tripping and falling without any worry about anything.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 27, 2014 at 6:44 PM

Are we sure that she doesn’t have brain damage?

faraway on May 27, 2014 at 6:44 PM

And a functioning free-market is mine, and mine has the added bonus of being the better of the two options, so there’s that!

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

better says who? healthcare is something too important to be left to the ‘free market’.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM

while america in general is coming around on obamacare and support is growing, a large portion of those who oppose it do so from the left stating their preference for single payer. this is why the majority of repuglicans arent actually stressing obamacare as an issue as the elections get closer. it was great for fundraising off of their base, but come november you wont hardly be able to recognize some of their positions on healthcare.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

A large swath of Americans always will go for free stuff, and when it comes to the perks of Obamacare they think it’s the insurance companies who are getting stuck with it because there are several layers between the costs of Obamacare and the people who end up paying for it – which is all of us. I would like to think that most Americans are smart enough to make the connection that Obamacare costs money, and those costs will be borne by insurance companies whose only function is as a third-party payer for all of our health care so when their costs go up our costs go up. While that is simple and straightforward enough for a reasonable, intelligent adult to understand, the majority of Americans who voted in the last election voted for Barack Obama so I’ve surrendered on the notion the majority of Americans are reasonable an intelligent.

Obamacare might be getting more popular because of the hidden costs and upfront goodies but don’t forget that Avatar was the highest grossing movie of all-time. The lesson in that? That “popular” sure doesn’t mean “good”.

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM

better says who? healthcare is something too important to be left to the ‘free market’.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Is food too important to be left to the “free market”?

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:46 PM

while america in general is coming around on obamacare and support is growing, a large portion of those who oppose it do so from the left stating their preference for single payer. this is why the majority of repuglicans arent actually stressing obamacare as an issue as the elections get closer. it was great for fundraising off of their base, but come november you wont hardly be able to recognize some of their positions on healthcare.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

America still hates ObamaCare. Check out RCP.

Chuck Schick on May 27, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Is food too important to be left to the “free market”?

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:46 PM

yes, thats why we have the department of agriculture, usda, fda, etc.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM

In other words, she wants VA quality care for all Americans.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM

It won’t be called such but it will actually be a two tier system. One for us and one for the elite class. She has no intention of using that system than she has for anybody in her circle to join the military, and thus use the VA.

DFCtomm on May 27, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Will she tell people how much their taxes will go up to pay for single payer? And that she will promise the quality of single payer will be the VA? Me thinks not.

ojfltx on May 27, 2014 at 6:50 PM

I believe in single payer, too. I believe Kochbrain and Paloosie should pool all their ill gotten gains from thievery and pay for it. Oh, wait, that’s two idiots. Oh, well….

vnvet on May 27, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Over a 100 veterans unavailable for comment.

Also Nanzi means single payer for all of us. Not single payer for her. So you know it has to be good.

In that single payer world you better be in the right business or occupation. Being in the right political party would also be a good thing….and donating to the right party.

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 6:51 PM

while america in general is coming around on obamacare and support is growing, a large portion of those who oppose it do so from the left stating their preference for single payer. this is why the majority of repuglicans arent actually stressing obamacare as an issue as the elections get closer. it was great for fundraising off of their base, but come november you wont hardly be able to recognize some of their positions on healthcare.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

If it’s so great then let the ACA be fully enacted. Quit beating around the bush and delaying every unfavorable aspect by royal decree. Quit trying to create ways to funnel money to the insurance companies so they won’t raise premiums before the election. It’s your law so owe it.

DFCtomm on May 27, 2014 at 6:52 PM

yes, thats why we have the department of agriculture, usda, fda, etc.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM

You proved the point three government entities to oversee one issue.

Sven on May 27, 2014 at 6:53 PM

yes, thats why we have the department of agriculture, usda, fda, etc.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM

The Department of Agriculture is the USDA.

And neither the USDA nor the FDA compels us to buy food or face a penalty, they don’t force us to subsidize people with pre-existing obesity to make sure they get all the food they might need, nor do they allow us to give food to our kids up until those “kids” are 26. What they do with the food market is nothing like what Obamacare does to health care in this country.

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:55 PM

The first turn to the highway to totalitarianism is socialist health care.

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 6:57 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

28% support down from under 50%, that’s your idea of ‘coming around’?

What color is the sky in your world anyway? Freaking pinko.

Diluculo on May 27, 2014 at 6:57 PM

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:55 PM

They kind of do with forced taxpayer of food stamps.

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 6:58 PM

________________________________________

The troubled start to the age of ObamaCare
________________________________________

The president has been selectively
implementing the health-care reform law
as well as adding regulations to it,
and he’d prefer the lawlessness and
inherent cronyism of ObamaCare
not be exposed to too much sunlight.

The whole point of ObamaCare was
to upend the entire health-care system,

regardless of the fact that Democrats had to
lie about it repeatedly and brazenly
in order to get the bill passed.

government control of the insurance market

ObamaCare’s coverage expansion rested on
two pillars. The first was
an explicit government program,
Medicaid — a failed and expensive program

The second pillar was to
kick millions of Americans off
their insurance policies
and mandate by law
that they buy a new policy.

It’s designed to enable the government
to control the health-insurance market
by greatly restricting LEGAL health-care plans,

raising the prices for those
the government thinks can pay and
offering subsidies to those who can’t.

________________________________________

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/05/20/were-still-talking-about-obamacare-because-obama-designed-it-that-way/

________________________________________

Global HAWK on May 27, 2014 at 6:59 PM

while america in general is coming around on obamacare and support is growing, a large portion of those who oppose it do so from the left stating their preference for single payer. this is why the majority of repuglicans arent actually stressing obamacare as an issue as the elections get closer. it was great for fundraising off of their base, but come november you wont hardly be able to recognize some of their positions on healthcare.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Great little rant there.

So do you have anything to back this up or is it out of your fertile mind?

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Pelosium: Heaviest And Most Destructive Element
***********************************************

http://mindlessandspineless.blogspot.com/2010/02/pelosium-heaviest-and-most-destructive.html

canopfor on October 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM

Thanks, I hadn’t seen this before–it made my day! Or at least helped me get over the nausea induced by that creepy photo.

ajb3 on May 27, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Single payer meaning what???

Liberal: well obviously meaning paid for by everyone else.

Conservative: great, something else i gotta pay for moochers.

can_con on May 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM

yes, thats why we have the department of agriculture, usda, fda, etc.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch
on May 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM

The Department of Agriculture is the USDA.

And neither the USDA nor the FDA compels us to buy food or face a penalty, they don’t force us to subsidize people with pre-existing obesity to make sure they get all the food they might need, nor do they allow us to give food to our kids up until those “kids” are 26. What they do with the food market is nothing like what Obamacare does to health care in this country.

alchemist19 on May 27, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Doh! First, I see that the nauseous pic of Ob00ber/Nance almost making out (rettteccchhh!) and now…… this crazed, rabid, raving, know-nothing ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch.

>>>>Must be here to drive up posts, or such?

avagreen on May 27, 2014 at 7:11 PM

My Preferred fix, is to replace your Face with
a Cinder Block.

ToddPA on May 27, 2014 at 7:11 PM

Really? We have single payer for food? USDA, FDA, etc. pay for food?

Ha ha. You’re a funny little kid.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Well, the food stamp program is getting out of hand.

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 7:13 PM

Really? We have single payer for food? USDA, FDA, etc. pay for food?

Ha ha. You’re a funny little kid.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:06 PM

holy stawman! i never said we had single payer with food. just that its not really a free market.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Waiting for Tlaloc to come in and tell us we’re all wrong.

22044 on May 27, 2014 at 7:17 PM

Food is important to be left to the ‘free market’.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Oh, I agree.

But I could see how the Left could convince itself to use the food stamp program as a means to a “single payer for food”. Because fairness.

Bitter Clinger on May 27, 2014 at 7:19 PM

yes, thats why we have the department of agriculture, usda, fda, etc.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:48 PM

You’re not too bright, are ya.

TarheelBen on May 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM

If govt is the answer, it was a stupid question.

For your records.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 7:22 PM

How is food not a free market? Do you know what commodity pricing is? That’s a free market. It’s something that communists like you hate. You’d rather have a Venezuelan type supply system.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:17 PM

tariffs, subsidies, tax credits, mandates, regulatory agencies, production quotas and limits, inspection, etc. all of these are part of the food system in the united states.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:23 PM

school lunch programs and child nutrition programs are more examples of goverment involvement in the food industry.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:25 PM

i never said we had single payer with food. just that its not really a free market.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Maybe the government should run food like it runs the VA, oops everyone would starve wouldn’t they.

Sven on May 27, 2014 at 7:25 PM

blink on May 27, 2014 at 6:31 PM

With the manpower to be supplied by people who were too dumb to be hired by the TSA.

Left Coast Right Mind on May 27, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Are you trying to claim that NOTHING is a free market? Because that’s the implication.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:28 PM

dont free markets require free trade? and doesnt true free trade mean no tariffs and no goverment intrustion?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM

tariffs, subsidies, tax credits, mandates, regulatory agencies, production quotas and limits, inspection, etc. all of these are part of the food system in the united states.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Honest question: have you ever taken a business course?

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Honest question: have you ever taken a business course?

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM

yes, i have a degree in economics and have taken lots of accounting and finance courses at a business school in addition to my degree.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:32 PM

tariffs, subsidies, tax credits, mandates, regulatory agencies, production quotas and limits, inspection, etc. all of these are part of the food system in the united states.

ThisIsYourMouthOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Honest question: have you ever taken a business course?

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Does the quickie course on the Burger King cash register count?

slickwillie2001 on May 27, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Economics? I said business.

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 7:34 PM

You said that healthcare is something too important to be left to the ‘free market’ in your support for single payer.

So, why don’t you think that food should be single payer?

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:31 PM

because healthcare requires complicated contracts and policies with all kinds of terms and stipulations, things that are not involved in food transactions, which are pretty straightforward between buyer and seller. just because i think food shouldnt be distributed through single payer system doesnt mean i think a free market for food is the answer.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Economics? I said business.

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 7:34 PM

yes, i have a degree in economics and have taken lots of accounting and finance courses at a business school in addition to my degree.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:32 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:36 PM

because healthcare requires complicated contracts and policies with all kinds of terms and stipulations, things that are not involved in food transactions, which are pretty straightforward between buyer and seller. just because i think food shouldnt be distributed through single payer system doesnt mean i think a free market for food is the answer.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Typical Econ student, overthinking the issue.

Healthcare between the patient and the doctor requires nothing but payment. Everything else does not have to involve this primary transaction.

Argue me the merits of single-payer when the VA mess gets fixed.

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 7:38 PM

while america in general is coming around on obamacare and support is growing, a large portion of those who oppose it do so from the left stating their preference for single payer. this is why the majority of repuglicans arent actually stressing obamacare as an issue as the elections get closer. it was great for fundraising off of their base, but come november you wont hardly be able to recognize some of their positions on healthcare.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Although you do provide lots of stiff competition, this simply has to be the single dumbest thing you’ve ever posted here. But I have faith in you. The night is still young. You still have time to top it.

307wolverine on May 27, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Yes, farming contracts, futures markets, multi-state distribution systems, and retail space agreements don’t require any contracts or policies.

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:38 PM

that stuffs only tangentally related to the food market (by the way all of it is regulated). people involved in those contracts arent really the end users like in healthcare. theyre not the ones who might be exploited, like medical patients are.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

yes, i have a degree in economics and have taken lots of accounting and finance courses at a business school in addition to my degree.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 7:32 PM

You need to ask for your money back.

307wolverine on May 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Food is mostly certainly overwhelming driven by the free market.

I know that upsets communists like you, but those are the facts. Does it bother you that Venezuela’s system is close to collapsing? What will it take for you to revaluate your communist principles?

blink on May 27, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Great example blink.

Even better, think back to the perfect system, in the Easter Bloc and the Soviet Union. Not exactly a workers paradise even when it came to the most basic of staples.

Except, of course, vodka.

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 7:43 PM

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