Karl Rove: Let’s face it, Hillary’s “old and stale”

posted at 3:21 pm on May 27, 2014 by Allahpundit

Baffling. We all understand what he’s trying to do, nourishing the seed of doubt in voters’ minds that she’s too old and too sick for the demands of the presidency. But look at some of his rhetoric.

“Hillary may have the impression in people’s minds that she’s both the third term of Barack Obama … and a third term for Bill Clinton, which is now 20 years in the rearview mirror,” Rove said on Fox News…

“People don’t like people who have it sort of already made, they want to see a scrapper, they want to see a fighter,” Rove said. “And if it looks like you are the candidate, then people tend to pick at your faults and tend to look at alternatives.”…

“In American politics, there’s a sense you want to be new, you don’t want to be too familiar, you want to be something fresh, you don’t want to be something old and stale,” he said.

Everyone see the problem?

Why would a guy who’s on Team Jeb want to turn voters against a candidate with a “stale,” “familiar” name, who has it “sort of already made” because of his family connections, and who’ll widely be attacked as running for a third Dubya term? Bush’s Republican opponents will have a field day with that soundbite in the primaries. That’s what makes this so weird — the potential cost to Jeb, in handing an ad-ready soundbite like this to Rand Paul or Chris Christie or whoever, is greater than the marginal benefit of introducing the “Hillary’s too old” argument bright and early, as Rove’s been doing. That argument will be made by a hundred different commentators in a hundred different formats before 2016, but to have Dubya’s chief advisor on tape blathering about dynastic retreads is unique and noteworthy, and Rove surely knows it. It’s not a perfect parallel, but imagine the fun we’d have rubbing the Clintons’ face in it if, say, David Axelrod had made this same argument vis-a-vis Jeb. All of that being the case, why would he do it?

Could it be that Rove’s … not on Team Jeb? Hard to believe, and if it’s true, why he is handing the Times syrupy sweet quotes about Bush like how he’s allegedly the “deepest thinker” in the Republican Party? Also, if he’s not on Bush’s side, whose side is he on? He’s surely not going to gamble on Christie and Rubio while the rest of the GOP establishment is lining up behind Jeb. What’s going on here?


Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

#NoDynasties

myiq2xu on May 27, 2014 at 3:24 PM

“In American politics, there’s a sense you want to be new, you don’t want to be too familiar, you want to be something fresh, you don’t want to be something old and stale,” he said.

Isn’t Rove talking about himself?

jim56 on May 27, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Clinton/Rove 2964

Shy Guy on May 27, 2014 at 3:26 PM

“[Y]ou don’t want to be too familiar, you want to be something fresh…”

Then go away.

Akzed on May 27, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Could it be that Rove’s … not on Team Jeb?

I’m thinking Karl wants to #StandwithRand…

JohnGalt23 on May 27, 2014 at 3:28 PM

I agree; I also would say the Rove is old and stale.

MoreLiberty on May 27, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Just call her Old Chicory…bitter filler.

Christien on May 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM

keep describing a woman this way.

weedisgood on May 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Karl Rove aka Mr. Kettle.

DFCtomm on May 27, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Nobody feels this way more than her husband.

Mark1971 on May 27, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Could it be that Rove’s … not on Team Jeb?

I hate it when my oligarchic betters play 17-dimension chess. It only serves to remind me what a pathetic, plebeian schlub I am.

If only I had finished my GED instead of falling for the glamorous lifestyle of crystal meth addiction. Perhaps then I could have gone to an Ivy League school majoring in transgendered colonalist oppression studies and joined the elite.

dreadnought62 on May 27, 2014 at 3:34 PM

AP is too cynical. Rove dislikes the Clintons. No need to overanalyze this.

joana on May 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM

keep describing a woman this way.

weedisgood on May 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM

Why are you offended by this?

Do you think the rules in politics should be different for a woman? Girls can’t take the heat, in other words?

I’m a woman, and I find your inference offensive.

Dolce Far Niente on May 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Why must we always think that Rove has some brilliant strategery behind everything he does?

Mark1971 on May 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Old and stale is bad.

We need fresh and new, like a Summers Eve, or Karl Rove.

forest on May 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

keep describing a woman this way.

weedisgood on May 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM

You mean like Sarah Palin?

sentinelrules on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Lets face it, she is getting up there in years and is not in the best of health contrary to what Bill says. The entire Democrat world will come tumbling down quick if she has one of her fainting spells on the Campaign trail. Nothing and nobody will be able to cover that up.

And being on the Campaign trail for President is about a year long grueling job. Way more than she did as SOS.

Johnnyreb on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Rove sure puts the turd in Turd Blossom.

Seriously, the party of Ronald Reagan had damn well better be working on something other than age discrimination if they’re going to beat Hillary.

If only they opposed her socialist instincts or something.

Kensington on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

It’s amusing how much the crazies hate Rove even though he was their idol during the Bush Administration.

And Rove will support the most electable Republican. Whoever thinks he’s automatically on Team Bush -or that his only alternatives are Rubio and Christie- simply isn’t paying attention.

joana on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

The entire Democrat world will come tumbling down quick if she has one of her fainting spells on the Campaign trail. Nothing and nobody will be able to cover that up.

Johnnyreb on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Pfft! They won’t bother covering it up. They’ll just treat her like Lenin and set her up for public viewing.

Kensington on May 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM

I think he just honestly thinks Jeb is a “fresh” and “not familiar” face, which is just dumb. And on that note: let’s not pretend that “The Architect” is still some evil genius or something. The guy has also gotten rich promoting campaigns and causes that have become miserable failures. Jeb fits right into that niche.

cdog0613 on May 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Good move, keep on the zingers Karl. Let us hear from Sarah too and we se soon the shrill response from the left.

jake49 on May 27, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Why must we always think that Rove has some brilliant strategery behind everything he does?

Mark1971 on May 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Because he’s playing 43-dimension chess, you impudent little prol!

Know your place or Master Rove shall have to thrash you with his riding crop. For your own good, of course. Cheerio!

dreadnought62 on May 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Rove sure puts the turd in Turd Blossom.

Seriously, the party of Ronald Reagan had damn well better be working on something other than age discrimination if they’re going to beat Hillary.

If only they opposed her socialist instincts or something.

Kensington on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Yeps. A horse-race focused, driving-by, comment by a Republican aligned pundit surely must equate the Republican platform and the reasons they might offer to oppose the cranky has-been.

You have all figured it out, don’t you?

It’s always amazing how these people are so affected by the liberal and MSM spin without even noticing it.

joana on May 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Why must we always think that Rove has some brilliant strategery behind everything he does?

Mark1971 on May 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

I think it’s based on Bush’s win in 2004, even though Kerry basically shot himself in the foot and handed W the victory.

Kensington on May 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

It’s amusing how much the crazies hate Rove even though he was their idol during the Bush Administration.

And Rove will support the most electable Republican. Whoever thinks he’s automatically on Team Bush -or that his only alternatives are Rubio and Christie- simply isn’t paying attention.

joana on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

I can’t speak for any of the other crazies around here, but I wasn’t a fan of Bush or Rove during the Bush administration.

Shump on May 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

She probably doesn’t feel fresh anymore.

Hucklebuck on May 27, 2014 at 3:41 PM

I can’t speak for any of the other crazies around here, but I wasn’t a fan of Bush or Rove during the Bush administration.

Shump on May 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Neither was I, but most of these people were.

joana on May 27, 2014 at 3:42 PM

joana on May 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Don’t hit “submit” so quickly. Take a moment and read what you’ve written to see if it makes any sense.

Kensington on May 27, 2014 at 3:43 PM

keep describing a woman this way.

weedisgood on May 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM

To quote Lorax, of Dr. Seuss’s fame: “That’s a WOMAN?!!”

Rix on May 27, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Everything from the Dems and the GOP is old and stale … and a lie, and indistinguishable, and unworthy of any rational person’s vote.

Am I wrong?

Name any GOP 2014 candidate for Federal office running -loudly- on Obamacare repeal. How about just entitlement reform.

Links, please.

M240H on May 27, 2014 at 3:44 PM

Again, why is there a presumption that Rove is smart or self-aware enough to realize he’s making comments that would hurt his own horse?

If he was ever smart, he lost it awhile ago, and has consistently been wrong and backing losers for quite awhile now, if you’d care to look at the tale of the tape.

Midas on May 27, 2014 at 3:47 PM

But yeah, in general, calling the woman candidate ‘old and stale’ *probably* isn’t going to help with that whole ‘war on wymminz’ meme there, champ.

Midas on May 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM

If she is his preferred opponent for 2016, his repeated comments force the left to circle the wagons and play for team Hillary!. The other potential opponents probably don’t appreciate having to sing Hillary!’s praises constantly and have the oxygen sucked out of the news cycle.

or he could just be an idiot.

rw on May 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM

What’s going on here?

Rubio.

The GOP’s not going to run another Bush because of how bad GWB’s poll numbers were at the end of his term. Heck, all the lefties could re-use their protest signs and not have to change any words.

Anyhow, when you look at how the GOP’s been trying to pander to Hispanics lately, and how important they’ll be to future elections, they’re not going to pass up an opportunity to push a likeable, young, articulate Hispanic man to be ***THE FIRST HISPANIC PRESIDENT EVAR!!!*** Yeah, sure, Democrats got the first black president ever, but so what? Blacks are a fairly static vote block where are Hispanics are a swelling voter block.

Jeb will be fine with this because everyone knows that Rubio is his protege and he’ll get all the influence he wants because of it.

Dopavash on May 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Thank you Rove for telling Bush not to run for the presidency.

BroncosRock on May 27, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Rove really has a hardon for Hillary.

ElectricPhase on May 27, 2014 at 3:49 PM

Why are you offended by this?

Do you think the rules in politics should be different for a woman? Girls can’t take the heat, in other words?

I’m a woman, and I find your inference offensive.

Dolce Far Niente on May 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM

You think most women like their age to be put out there?
And also Do you think they like to be called “old and stale”?
Karl Rove took 400 million in donations and couldn’t produce a seat.
He no longer has ‘it’
Karl Rove is making it way too easy for democrats.

weedisgood on May 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM

I can’t speak for any of the other crazies around here, but I wasn’t a fan of Bush or Rove during the Bush administration.

Shump on May 27, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Speak for yourself. I couldn’t get enough of that compassionate conservatism.

No Child Left Behind – Oh, man. Who wants to leave children behind? Don’t you see how much better our kids text today than they did 30 years ago? That’s progress!

Medicare Part D – Think how screwed up prescription drugs for the elderly would be without the beneficient, wise guidance of a nimble, caring federal government? Really looking for to Parts E through Z.

Iraq & Afghanistan – Nothing says we care about the savages of the Third World than dumping scads of money on them! Sure hope Jeb can get us involved in some more pointless money traps.

I say we just go ahead and offer the throne to Jeb. I, for one, shall always serve the House of Bush and bitterly oppose the miscreants of the House of Clinton.

And because this is the internet…/s

dreadnought62 on May 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM

keep describing a woman this way.

weedisgood on May 27, 2014 at 3:29 PM

You are a sexist puke, Cheech.

bimmcorp on May 27, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Or, maybe Jeb’s not running at all? The argument Rove is making here is the exact argument that will be used against Jeb, which is why I’ve never understood why he would bother in the first place.

changer1701 on May 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

joana on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Clueless, non-reality-based twaddle.

Remember how conservatives were routinely outraged with Bush and Rove for spending, amnesty, shitty judicial appointments (attempts), etc?

No, you don’t – because you’re a clueless, addle-brained, parasite-infested, f*ckwitted, talking-point-regurgitating parrot.

Midas on May 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

It’s amusing how much the crazies hate Rove even though he was their idol during the Bush Administration.

And Rove will support the most electable Republican. Whoever thinks he’s automatically on Team Bush -or that his only alternatives are Rubio and Christie- simply isn’t paying attention.

joana on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

No Reaganite even liked Machiavellian Tokyo Rove.

You have just confirmed what everyone is well aware of that you are a progressive Bushie.

Jayrae on May 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Beyond the obvious comedy of a shrewish crone in a pants suit being called “old and stale” by a shrewish crone in a pants suit, is there some brilliant ‘strategery’ I’m missing here?

M240H on May 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Midas on May 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Outstanding,thank you!

Jayrae on May 27, 2014 at 3:53 PM

And being on the Campaign trail for President is about a year long grueling job. Way more than she did as SOS.

Johnnyreb on May 27, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Depending on when you announce and how your primary goes, it can be longer than that. Clinton announced in January 2007 and Obama in February 2007. It’s a slowish ramp-up and then depending on how the primary goes, it can be a solid year and a half of campaigning.

Then if you win, you really never get a break again until you’re done being President (at least that was true for most Presidents prior to Obama who doesn’t work very hard).

Somehow I just don’t see Clinton doing it. Rove is right to point out her health concerns. Even if she was fundamentally healthy, she looks totally worn out. She’s got to be thinking how much easier it would be to chill out with the grandbaby in a few months. She’s already super rich.

Missy on May 27, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Karl Rove: Let’s face it, Hillary’s “old and stale”

Says an expert on same.

SubmarineDoc on May 27, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Karl Rove is making it way too easy for democrats.

weedisgood on May 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Your “concern” is noted

ToddPA on May 27, 2014 at 3:56 PM

Speaking of scumhags, in full glory Patty Murray, the LIAR.

Schadenfreude on May 27, 2014 at 3:56 PM

So are all the Bushs, KR, and so are you.

Schadenfreude on May 27, 2014 at 3:57 PM

“Old and stale” could also be a term used to describe Karl Rove. “The Architect” did his best to blow the 2000 and 2004 elections and finally succeeded in 2006.

bw222 on May 27, 2014 at 3:57 PM

I think at the end of the day, however, Bush isn’t going to be the candidate anyway. It’s like to be Rubio or Christie, but probably Rubio.

With all of the heat going on with amnesty and Latinos, both parties have a chubby for Latinos and 2016 is going to be a panderpalooza.

Rubio for the GOPe (they’ll never pick Cruz – too conservative, too rational), and if the DNC go with Hillary, they’ll have a latino in the veep slot. If Hillary isn’t at the top, I doubt they’d go to someone like Warren without at least giving a serious look around for a latino to put on the top of the ticket (who nationally would be ‘known’ every bit as much as Warren). Seeing Castro’s name a lot (here and elsewhere), not an original thought on my part. But no way does the DNC not have a latino in one of the slots, probably GOP, too.

Midas on May 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

I was a Bush fan until 2005 when Bush screwed conservatives after we gave the Republican Party a 5 seat majority in the Senate. In 2006 election Rove had fun screwing conservatives by forcing far left Republican candidates down our throats.

BroncosRock on May 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Midas on May 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

That was a bit mild and understated, but laser accurate. Thumbs up.

ElectricPhase on May 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

I would go with ‘wrinkly and shrill’

faraway on May 27, 2014 at 4:00 PM

Speaking of scumhags, in full glory Patty Murray, the LIAR.

Schadenfreude on May 27, 2014 at 3:56 PM

liars like you calling truthtellers liars makes goebbels very happy. he is orgasming in his grave.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Take it where you can get it.

formwiz on May 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

What’s going on here?

early onset dementia?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Oops.

HiJack on May 27, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I would go with moth-eaten and noisome.

Happy Nomad on May 27, 2014 at 4:08 PM

I don’t care who’s team he’s on. I like what he’s doing. Everything he’s saying about Hillary is being repeated as outrage, free advertising. And if it goes against Jeb, im ok with that too. two birds with one stone.

phatfawzi on May 27, 2014 at 4:08 PM

liars like you calling truthtellers liars makes goebbels very happy. he is orgasming in his grave.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

How many socks does Bishop have?

nobar on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Hillary’s “old and stale”

Actually, she’s a murderer.

There is no difference between her and the captain of the South Korean ferry that killed 280 passengers after he failed to rescue them

faraway on May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Rove left out “ugly”–”old, stale and ugly.” Actually, Rove doesn’t lie–indeed, she is “old and stale.” If he wants to say that, I don’t mind.

Rove really has a hardon for Hillary.

ElectricPhase on May 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

It’s YouTube, so it’s a safe link. Still, the imagery . . . nah, ain’t gonna click on it.

Somehow I just don’t see Clinton doing it. Rove is right to point out her health concerns. Even if she was fundamentally healthy, she looks totally worn out.——
Missy on May 27, 2014 at 3:55 PM

My sadistic side so, so, so wishes hildebeest would run. Would love–LOVE–to see her fizzle out like a roman candle. Muahahahahahaha.

Midas on May 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Hispandering run amok? Perhaps. But Rubio doesn’t get my vote. I’ll write in Ted Cruz instead.

MisterElephant on May 27, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Tiybok. I doubt you mean it but dang you’re funny.

CW on May 27, 2014 at 4:15 PM

liars like you calling truthtellers liars makes goebbels very happy. he is orgasming in his grave.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Original thoughts are foreign to you. It’s an affliction caused by the wind blowing through your ears.

fogw on May 27, 2014 at 4:17 PM

That’s True Hillary.

Rix on May 27, 2014 at 4:23 PM

liars like you calling truthtellers liars makes goebbels very happy. he is orgasming in his grave.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

What the hell are you trying say? Are you high this afternoon?

Tater Salad on May 27, 2014 at 4:23 PM

What the hell are you trying say? Are you high this afternoon?

Tater Salad on May 27, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Please bear in mind, he’s still working on learning how to use the shift key on his keyboard. Clarity isn’t his forte.

fogw on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

63, and associated with a dynasty that’s past it’s sell by date, speaks of young and vibrant?

MNHawk on May 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Good thing the Dems have rookie Eva Longoria in the dugout being groomed for some sort of political presence down the line. Sure she’s shallow, inexperienced, reflexively liberal, and not very bright, but hey, she’s not old and stale!

otlset on May 27, 2014 at 4:36 PM

There is no difference between her and the captain of the South Korean ferry that killed 280 passengers after he failed to rescue them

faraway on May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Killary is South Korean and a man? Or are you willing to admit that there are, indeed, some differences between the two. I do wish that Killary was arrested the way the ferryboat captain was.

Happy Nomad on May 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Why does he hate Hillary? She only seeks to advance the liberal Rove/Bush agenda.

Valiant on May 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Rove is spot on that she is old and stale, that’s exactly how I see her, but then the same can equally be applied to himself.

jimver on May 27, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Clueless, non-reality-based twaddle.

Remember how conservatives were routinely outraged with Bush and Rove for spending, amnesty, shitty judicial appointments (attempts), etc?

Midas on May 27, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Yeps, I remember how it started happening in late 2005 with the Harriet Miers appointment process and gained some steam with the CIRA controversy. Up until that point, in spite of the spending explosion, the earmarking corruption and the horribly managed wars, most criticism of the Bush Administration and the DeLay/Hastert/Lott wing in Congress was met with the same displeasure that currently any defense of the good work the House GOP has done in controlling the Democrat impetus in Washington is.

I know enough TruCons and I still remember how fiercely they’d defend the Bush Administration and the GOP majorities back then; I remember the tone in places like RedState and FreeRepublic (or the early stages of HotAir).

joana on May 27, 2014 at 4:53 PM

liars like you calling truthtellers liars makes goebbels very happy. he is orgasming in his grave.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Wtf…Are you tryin’ to pull a schadenfreude there?

jimver on May 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Rove is right to call Hillary “old and stale”. She will be 69 years old in 2016. She had her big chance in 2008 (when she was 61) and lost the Dem nomination to a 47-year-old freshman Senator, then took the job of Secretary of State and bungled everything she touched on foreign policy, then resigned in disgrace shortly after the Benghazi attack. By 2016, she will have been out of any elected or political office for four years, with her previous tenure an embarrassing disaster.

For what it’s worth, Jeb Bush also missed his big chance in 2006–after two successful terms as the respected Governor of Florida, he could have easily won a Senate seat (replacing Bill Nelson) in Florida, but declined to run, believing that he could eventually replace his brother as President, but the constant media drumming against the Iraq war made the Bush name toxic to the electorate by 2008. Jeb Bush will have not held any elective office for 10 years by 2016, which would make him as bad a Presidential candidate as Hillary Clinton.

If Hillary is “old and stale”, then we need a younger, fresher candidate with a RECENT record of accomplishment, such as a sitting, re-elected Governor. By 2016, this would point to candidates like Scott Walker, John Kasich, Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, or Nikki Haley.

Steve Z on May 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Is that why establishment GOP wants to run another Bush? Is that why establishment GOP has worked do hard to marginalize the TEA Party?

NTropy on May 27, 2014 at 5:03 PM

hopefully Bill can answer that question better than Carl!

Sven on May 27, 2014 at 5:05 PM

For the Moby. You have permission to print it out and hang it over your favorite spot.

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 5:15 PM

liars like you calling truthtellers liars makes goebbels very happy. he is orgasming in his grave.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Wtf…Are you tryin’ to pull a schadenfreude there?

jimver on May 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM

The gays always get goebbels and gerbils confused.

slickwillie2001 on May 27, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Karl Rove is on his own side. He likes to think he’s still relevant.

We are due for a generational change on both sides. Hillary and Jeb may well represent the last stand of the baby boomers in national politics (along with Joe Biden).

WestVirginiaRebel on May 27, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Rove always does things for a reason.

He may just be thinking there is another Democrat out there who really wants to run in 2016 but is afraid to take on Hillary. He is giving that person the ammunition. And maybe making Hillary think a little more about whether she really wants to do this.

Added bonus – he happens to be right. The same may be true of Jeb Bush, but right now Rove is happy to be playing chief antagonist to Hillary. He doesn’t mind being the flak-catcher.

When I was growing up I hoped that someday America would have a woman President. (My Dad, RIP, thought it would be me!) I certainly did not think she would be a woman near 70 whose main claim to fame was that she was once married to another President who famously and serially cheated on her.

rockmom on May 27, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Old and stale is bad.We need fresh and new, like a Summers Eve, or Karl Rove‘s turdblossom.
.forest on May 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM

Minor fix.

I wish he’d go away.

AH_C on May 27, 2014 at 6:19 PM

OMG! Big freakin’ deal. They called John McCain old and stale. Hillary wants to be treated just like a male candidate, right? Well here you go!

terryannonline on May 27, 2014 at 6:59 PM

“Old Chicory” doesn’t even get a golf clap? That’s good, solid grade B+ snark.

Tough room.

Christien on May 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM

MAYBE HE DOESN’T` SEE IT !

Rook on May 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Rove is an idiot and will do everything he can to push his favorite RINO in the 2016 primaries, but I don’t see an issue in terms of what he said about Clinton and Jeb Bush. I’m not on Team Jeb by any means, but in regards to what Rove said about Clinton it doesn’t apply to Jeb Bush aside from the family name…..Jeb has not been a national figure for decades like Hillary has been. As someone already mentioned, Jeb missed his chance when Bill Nelson retired. His stance on illegal immigration will sink him in the primaries so I don’t see him as a viable candidate to begin with….he may think he’s speaking truth to power but you can’t tee off the Conservative base and win a primary.

SleightOfHand on May 27, 2014 at 11:05 PM

Think about it this way – in order to refute the charge, you have to repeat it. Every time a dem says “are you serious? Jeb Bush is old and crusty too!” they’re repeating the line about Clinton being old and crusty. It’s easy as hell to respond to, but the obvious response doesn’t help.

Also, wouldn’t be surprised if Rove is backing Walker. While he’s been with the Bushes for a long time, it’s clear they’ve reached the end of their usefulness to him. Crossroads isn’t making nearly as much money, and Jeb Bush represents the establishment just getting Caligulan in their decadence. There’s going to be a backlash, and he seems to be the type of guy who sneaks out the back door right before the cops bust up the party.

galenrox on May 27, 2014 at 11:33 PM

And Rove is plump and pale.

I care for neither Clinton nor Bush nor …Rove.

Sherman1864 on May 28, 2014 at 2:54 AM

liars like you calling truthtellers liars makes goebbels very happy. he is orgasming in his grave.
ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 27, 2014 at 4:05 PM
Wtf…Are you tryin’ to pull a schadenfreude there?
jimver on May 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM

That is what I call a classy exchange of views.

Sherman1864 on May 28, 2014 at 2:57 AM