Hospitals hiking cost on the poor due to … ObamaCare

posted at 2:41 pm on May 27, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

There are multiple levels of irony in this New York Times report on the impact of ObamaCare on poor patients in the nation’s hospitals. Congress demanded the power to revamp the health-insurance industry and expand Medicaid in order to help the poor get better medical care for less money. In reality, the opposite appears to be happening, as hospitals attempt to force the poor into ObamaCare:

Hospital systems around the country have started scaling back financial assistance for lower- and middle-income people without health insurance, hoping to push them into signing up for coverage through the new online marketplaces created under the Affordable Care Act.

The trend is troubling to advocates for the uninsured, who say raising fees will inevitably cause some to skip care rather than buy insurance that they consider unaffordable. Though the number of hospitals tightening access to free or discounted care appears limited so far, many say they are considering doing so, and experts predict that stricter policies will become increasingly common.

Why did this unintended consequence occur? In part, because ObamaCare penalizes hospitals for extending charitable assistance:

Driving the new policies is the cost of charity care, which is partly covered by government but remains a burden for many hospitals. The new law also reduces federal aid to hospitals that treat large numbers of poor and uninsured people, creating an additional pressure on some to restrict charity care.

Got that? The law that supposedly answered the fierce urgency of now in assisting the poor penalizes providers for, er, assisting the poor. They want to force low-income patients to either enroll in an ObamaCare plan, or to accept Medicaid coverage — even though fewer and fewer providers will see patients with either coverage.

This sets up a damned-if-they-do conundrum for hospitals, which have been the front line of caring for the poor:

“Do we allow our charity care programs to kick in if people are unwilling to sign up?” said Nancy M. Schlichting, chief executive of the Henry Ford Health System in Detroit. “Our inclination is to say we will not, because it just seems that that defeats the purpose of what the Affordable Care Act has put in place.”

But advocates for the uninsured point out that many Americans avoided obtaining coverage in the inaugural enrollment period of the Affordable Care Act this year because they found the plans too expensive, even with subsidies. Many uninsured people also remain unaware of the new insurance options, And immigrants who are in the country illegally are not even eligible to apply.

Most hospitals are not reducing charitable service to those who fall under the federal poverty level, the NYT’s Abby Goodnough reports. It’s a different story, though, for those who earn between 200-400% of the federal poverty level, where Medicaid eligibility ends and the mandate requires everyone to buy coverage and accept subsidies. Thanks to the new federal restrictions on charity, hospitals have to focus their efforts on the neediest patients — and everyone else gets stuck with the bill.

These are the kinds of things that one might have foreseen had Congress not been in such a rush to pass a bill without carefully reading through its language. On that point, CNS News and the Daily Surge note a moment of supreme irony last week in the debate over how to fix the VA:

“We have not held a hearing on this legislation. And some of us are old-fashioned enough to know that maybe folks in the Senate might want to know what is in the bill before we voted on it.”

Nope, those aren’t the words of a Republican shaming the Democrats during the Obamacare debate–it’s none other than Bernie Sanders! Taken from the Senate floor just a couple of days ago, the “Independent” senator from Vermont is suddenly urging caution when it comes to passing bills. Why? Well, it was barely two two weeks ago that we told you Bernie has been quivering in his Socialist boots over the VA scandal. As Chairman of the Veterans Affairs Committee, the effects of a probe into the misconduct at VA hospitals has a good chance of showering a pot full of slop onto him personally, and in a tense midterm election year, he obviously does NOT want to be associated with this scandal on any level.


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Um, wow.

So how’s that exchange website going out there?

/s

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Tlaloc the fraud will blame the GOP for that disaster somehow.

non-nonpartisan on May 27, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Don’t put too much faith in any one poll. Instead look at the aggregation of polls. That way you aren’t led astray by outliers.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Good advice

BlueCollarAstronaut on May 27, 2014 at 4:08 PM

around january it had a low of -15.2 favorability. Since then the number has moved 5 points in the positive direction to be around -10 now. Which is exactly what I said.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 3:33 PM

As of 10 minutes ago,
an AP poll found public opinion continuing to to be “deeply negative” on Obamacare

http://reason.com/blog/2014/05/27/ap-poll-finds-public-opinion-continues-t

-15 favorability. And of those who have actually been affected by the law, opinion runs 2-1 against, meaning more people say they have been hurt by the law than helped.
This is something to proud of?

lynncgb on May 27, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Has anything good that Obama promised about ‘Affordable” Health Care (or anything else) materialized?

bw222 on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Tialoc, which OFA office are you posting from?

The lies and obfuscation will get you into the WH in no time…of course still as an unpaid intern.

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

You honestly think Barry (or Moochelle) loves poor people?

164 rounds of golf, Waygu steak, perpetual vacas, Sidwell Friends…

Riiight.

formwiz on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Um, wow.

So how’s that exchange website going out there?

/s

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Badly. Oracle really screwed the pooch. I guess you just can’t trust the private market to do anything right, huh? ;)

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Has anything good that Obama promised about ‘Affordable” Health Care (or anything else) materialized?

bw222 on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

A big decline in the number of uninsured.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

From a provider’s perspective, it’s more like this…

X = market rate
Traditional private health insurance reimbursement = approx. x
Medicare health insurance reimbursement = approx. 80-90% x
Medicaid health insurance reimbursement = approx. 65-75% x

Each provider has their own payer mix dependent on the business expenses + profit margin desired
They achieved the goals on revenues by utilizing a mix of patient reimbursements from the three categories above.
Gains from traditional private health insurance reimbursements were used to cover losses from lower paying patients.

Obamacare changed all that. Traditional private health insurance reimbursements are decreasing. Doctors don’t have that leeway they’ve relied on times past to cover the lower paying reimbursement. At the same time, operating costs are increasing, with a significant amount of it due to reg measures in Obamacare.

This is putting the squeeze on a lot of doctors, causing them to sell out their business, close the doors, retire, etc.

So there’s more to it from that perspective than from the consumer’s viewpoint.

lineholder on May 27, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Has anything good that Obama promised about ‘Affordable” Health Care (or anything else) materialized?

bw222 on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

My insurance rate not only went down 3000% like math genius Obama said it would, it went down 4500%! How about yours?

non-nonpartisan on May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM

A big decline in the number of uninsured.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Prove it.

Key West Reader on May 27, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Tlaloc , Just a curiosity on my part. Are you a Healthcare provider. Are you a Doctor? Are involved in any direct way in healthcare or insurance?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:13 PM

1. Complete fail of healthcare.gov and needs $1 billion to correct.
2. Still no security on healthcare.gov
3. Still no backend healthcare.gov
4. Oregon health care site crashed and burned up 130 million dollars
5. Maryland health care site crashed and burned up 140 million dollars.
6. Hawaii health care site crashed and burned up 150 million dollars.
7.2 to 1 people believe that Obama-democrat care will make things worse.
8. 7-8 million people lose their health insurance because of Obama-democrat Care.
9. Mandates put off until after 2014 elections.
10. UNIONS against Obama-democrat Care.

I could keep going on about all of the success stories about Obama-democrat care but I’m getting tired.

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Tlaloc , Just a curiosity on my part. Are you a Healthcare provider. Are you a Doctor? Are involved in any direct way in healthcare or insurance?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:13 PM

You are such a sweetheart.

Key West Reader on May 27, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Yes but there are indiciations that the results of that study may have been a fluke. Studies of Romneycare in Mass. Have found ER visits declining in the years after.

One example

The evidence is muddled currently. We’ll have to see.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Yep, they went up and then declined. That’s the way you libtards measures thing.

The fact is they never declined to below what they were before the law was passed. And that was one of the main selling features of the law..that ER visits would be eliminated.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/27/study-emergency-room-visits-up-under-obamacare-like-mass-law/

Libtards claimed everyone would be be insured…but yet in Mass there are still 4%+ uninsured. Even after RomneyCare and ObamaCare have been implemented.

HumpBot Salvation on May 27, 2014 at 4:17 PM

You don’t think a +5% improvement over a few months is significant? Seems like it to me.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Funny, you say this is significant, how about our debt? How about unemployment, how about energy costs?

20% of the economy has a bump of +5%, while 80% is still in ruins.

A +5% is only good if it is sustained and continues to improve, but since you only choose to select a recent improvement, when it drops back down, you will surely say how horrible it is, right? No, of course not.

The only stats that are of interest to you, are the ones that support your contention.

right2bright on May 27, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Did you actually look at that chart?

around january it had a low of -15.2 favorability. Since then the number has moved 5 points in the positive direction to be around -10 now. Which is exactly what I said.

Don’t blame you inability to read on me.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Looks to me like the actual RCP average for the 4/23 – 5/24 timeframe shows a net disapproval of ’11.4′, and not the “10″ you claim. Of course, you are welcome to point out the error in my math (and reading comprehension skills) as compared to yours…..Thanks!

tanked59 on May 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

The only stats that are of interest to you, are the ones that support your contention.

right2bright on May 27, 2014 at 4:18 PM

That and the fact he(?) can’t admit make him a total bore.

non-nonpartisan on May 27, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Key West Reader on May 27, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Lolz! I’m getting better. ; )

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:21 PM

I.e. my insurance pays x%, government subsidy pays y%, and I cover z%.

Maybe I’m missing something there but seems quite straightforward.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Yeah, you’re just missing a few things. Here are 2:

1. The amount that “I cover” for many poor & middle-income is going UP under Obamacare, as deductibles etc. rise.

2. For folks in a CMS program (Medicaid, Medicare) the patient usually covers very little. The gov. tells docs & hospitals “Here’s what we’ll pay for that medicine/ procedure. It doesn’t make you profitable? Sorry ’bout that…”

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Well, well, Commie Comrade Sanders all of a sudden want to know what’s in a bill? What a silly idea for lawless fascists to bother with the law ;)
Just be like Conyers and get a free pass. http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/23/federal-judge-allows-conyers-on-ballot-even-though-he-didnt-have-the-signatures-natch/ After all, meaning well is all that counts if your a commie dem, right?

russedav on May 27, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Tlaloc , Just a curiosity on my part. Are you a Healthcare provider. Are you a Doctor? Are involved in any direct way in healthcare or insurance?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:13 PM

me? No. The first time I found out what debrieding tanks were I knew medicine was not for me. Like I said I have a lot of family in medicine (doctors, OTs, nurses).

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:24 PM

A big decline in the number of uninsured.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Of course the number will drop, just like when you give anything away, the person receiving it benefits…when you rob Peter to pay Paul, Paul never complains.

However, how many have been forced off of their plans, by order of their government? How many have been forced to lose their doctors, by order of the government?

Stealing the rights from some, to give to others is not an act to rejoice…taking freedoms and giving special privileges to others is not, except in a liberal mind, what our country was founded on.

And when people like you, who live off of the government, have an opportunity to steal what others have worked for, they will do it and claim that it is “good”.

No different than if your parents left the garage door open, and someone needed a lawnmower, and your parents had two of them, it is perfectly alright for that neighbor to take that extra lawn mower, right?

When you grow up, and move out of the house, you may understand, assuming you have a job.

right2bright on May 27, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Looks to me like the actual RCP average for the 4/23 – 5/24 timeframe shows a net disapproval of ’11.4′, and not the “10″ you claim. Of course, you are welcome to point out the error in my math (and reading comprehension skills) as compared to yours…..Thanks!

tanked59 on May 27, 2014 at 4:20 PM

It’s been hovering around 10 for the last few weeks. Just today it dipped back to 11. We’ll have to wait to see if that marks an actual change or just some noise.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Obviously, Oracle disagrees:

Catz also wrote that Oracle merely assisted Oregon on the exchange project, was not the project manager or systems integrator, and the company was hampered by the state’s lack of skills and ability in performing those duties.

Oregon’s decision not to hire a systems integrator has since been criticized by the state itself and in the independent review released by Atlanta-based First Data Government Solutions in March.
http://www.katu.com/politics/local/Oracle-says-its-not-to-blame-for-failed-launch-of-Cover-Oregon-255563941.html

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Thanks. One or two other questions. If you don’t mind. You may have already answered these before, if so, my apologies. Are you currently covered by a healthcare provider trough ObamaCare? Are you a US citizen?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

No different than if your parents left the garage door open, and someone needed a lawnmower, and your parents had two of them, it is perfectly alright for that neighbor to take that extra lawn mower, right?

When you grow up, and move out of the house, you may understand, assuming you have a job.

right2bright on May 27, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Maybe. Maybe someday you’ll stop being okay with letting people die just because they’re poor. Who knows what may happen in the future.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Obviously, Oracle disagrees:

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:28 PM

of I bet they do.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Thanks. One or two other questions. If you don’t mind. You may have already answered these before, if so, my apologies. Are you currently covered by a healthcare provider trough ObamaCare? Are you a US citizen?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

1) No, already had coverage, I talked with the wife about looking into an ACA plan but the Oregon site was such a mess and we get a very good plan through my job that it wasn’t a pressing need.

2) Yes.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Maybe someday you’ll stop being okay with letting people die just because they’re poor. Who knows what may happen in the future.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Google EMTALA. Or talk to all those docs, etc. in your family.

Ask them what happens if an uninsured person has a heart attack & walks in the ER.

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Google EMTALA. Or talk to all those docs, etc. in your family.

Ask them what happens if an uninsured person has a heart attack & walks in the ER.

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

I’m well aware of EMTALA, if you think that emergency rooms are the only health care that saves lives you’re fooling yourself.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Thanks. One last question and then I’ll be on my way. Do you think ObamaCare will be as successful as the VA system has been?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:30 PM

What standards do HL7 and ANSI require for interoperability of electronic health records? What are the requirements EDI transfer? What are the requirements for storage, privacy, security?

Do you know the facts pertaining to any of those questions?

If you’re going to try to put in a prototype system, then you’d best be sure you have people qualified to provide the project team leadership that will be necessary to get the job done.

Our government failed miserably on that point all the way around.

lineholder on May 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Blue on blue, advocate versus advocate war!

Pass the popcorn.

PattyJ on May 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

gotta run, good day everyone.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:36 PM

The rate of the uninsured has plummeted to what Bush had before Obama came into power. And to think that it only cost couple of trillion dollars and threw 8 million people off of their own insurance.

WINNING!!!!!

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 4:37 PM

I believe you will see that the reduction in uninsured stats as a percentage is due to forcing people onto medicaid, for which they were always eligible. If you look at the actual people in exchange plans as part of a covered cohort I believe the percentage of uninsured is actually higher – and the absolute number still seems to be stuck around 40M, which was the number thrown out at the start of the whole debate.

Now – if you are in an exchange or medicaid, will anyone see you?

The answer is not likely.

Zomcon JEM on May 27, 2014 at 4:39 PM

How is President Romney, anyway?

That’s a less than subtle hint that you might want to stop poo-pooing polls just because they don’t say what you want them to say.

Look put the poll data in any stats package you want and analyze the data from january on. I guarantee you’ll find a nice positive correlation between date and favorability.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:02 PM

The “President Romney” comment is ironic, if you understand the term. Romney supporters were saying the polls were wrong, just like you are now.

ObamaCare is indeed unpopular, as it has been for years.

But if MOE fluctuations give you a thrill, please don’t let me and reality ruin the party. You’re entitled to your delusions I suppose.

Chuck Schick on May 27, 2014 at 4:40 PM

gotta run, good day everyone.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Good day. I’ll save my last question I posed to you for a later date. Thanks.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Thanks. One last question and then I’ll be on my way. Do you think ObamaCare will be as successful as the VA system has been?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Maybe. Maybe someday you’ll stop being okay with letting people die just because they’re poor. Who knows what may happen in the future.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

People die because they served their country.

Whoops, you said “future”.

Chuck Schick on May 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM

SO……….like who wudda guessed this would happen?
(◐.̃◐) (◑.◑)

avagreen on May 27, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Thanks. One last question and then I’ll be on my way. Do you think ObamaCare will be as successful as the VA system has been?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

If we’re going to ask frauds like Tlaloc only one question, I don’t think there are any better than that lol

non-nonpartisan on May 27, 2014 at 4:43 PM

I take it logic’s not your strong suit then.

You first posit that “poor people die” because they do not have access to healthcare:

Maybe someday you’ll stop being okay with letting people die just because they’re poor. Who knows what may happen in the future.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

You then acknowledge awareness of a decades-old law that expressly forbids denying care for anyone at significant risk for mortality or significant morbidity:

I’m well aware of EMTALA, if you think that emergency rooms are the only health care that saves lives you’re fooling yourself.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM

And, of course, the uninsured patient who presents in the ER and needs treatment to save life & limb is then admitted to the (generally adjacent) acute care hospital until stabilized enough to be discharged or transferred.

It’s required by law, and has been since Reagan was President…

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

gotta run, good day everyone.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Just in time for the fast-food worker rush hour, funny that.

slickwillie2001 on May 27, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Two constituencies

Schadenfreude on May 27, 2014 at 4:45 PM

I would think, now that I know about it, that the intent in PPACA is, at least, two things:

1. Force uninsured into the PPACA by denying them charitable (such as it is) health care.

This follows from the fact that an expanded risk pool [generally?] means that the average risk per member goes down. if pool behavior does not change. That means that the cost or premium per member should go down, supposedly making the policy more affordable. But, the problem with respect to costs is that the minimum required coverages have been expanded by regulation not by consumer demand (where consumers know that getting additional coverage for themselves would cost them more) so the policies tend to cost more and are thereby, generally, less affordable.

2. A secondary, probably unspoken aspect, is that the restrictions (as noted in the posting) tend to degrade voluntary charitable health care and make it more of a government function to provide health insurance. By degrading charitable care, the government can then become the only game in town. Which is pretty much what Liberal/Progressives want.

Russ808 on May 27, 2014 at 4:47 PM

The rate of the uninsured has plummeted to what Bush had before Obama came into power. And to think that it only cost couple of trillion dollars and threw 8 million people off of their own insurance.

WINNING!!!!!

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 4:37 PM

It would be a surprise if a decline in the uninsured rate hadn’t happened. When you give Medicaid to a whole new group of people, offer subsidies to a huge number of other lower-income people, and put everyone else under the threat of penalty for not getting insurance, the needle is bound to move.

lynncgb on May 27, 2014 at 4:48 PM

It’s a feature not a bug that the PPACA eliminates programs to help the uninsured while offering the uninsured a way to become insured so as to reduce the freeloader problem.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 3:08 PM

You do realize, I hope, that you’re saying the law is punishing those who help people pay for their own health care, as a means of reducing the number of people not paying for their own health care. And that it’s a positive.

those who didn’t get medicaid subsidies…

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Medicaid is neither a subsidy, nor a plan for which people have premiums subject to a subsidy. It is government-funded.

That’s a less than subtle hint that you might want to stop poo-pooing polls just because they don’t say what you want them to say.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:02 PM

This from a guy who calls a 10% deficit a positive sign.

I guess you just can’t trust the private market to do anything right, huh? ;)

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

The private market sold its own insurance online just fine for years prior to ACA. It is the government’s siloed information systems combined with its need to deceive people about the true cost of their insurance by insisting on the use of subsidized numbers and not real quotes, that is the root cause of pretty much every exchange failure to date.

A big decline in the number of uninsured.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:10 PM

That came on the heels of a big increase in same, because we were in a recession. And yet you don’t bother to question why 2008 is the benchmark for this measurement, even though the correlation seems pretty obvious. You also neglect the Rand survey which demonstrated that the bulk of newly insured came not from Obamacare enrollees but addition to the employer-supported rolls.

Maybe. Maybe someday you’ll stop being okay with letting people die just because they’re poor.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

And now we’re back to the threefold fallacy of a). ridiculous claims about people “dying because they’re poor”, b). emotional arguments in lieu of rational thought, and c). trying to marginalize the views of others by attacking their character.

if you think that emergency rooms are the only health care that saves lives you’re fooling yourself.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM

For the last five years, all we’ve heard from the ACA standard-bearers is that the ER is the only time anyone ever goes to get health care unless they’re insured. Don’t fault others for the poor logic that others foisted on them.

The Schaef on May 27, 2014 at 4:52 PM

And immigrants who are in the country illegally are not even eligible to apply.

LOL. Right, that’ll stop them — because illegal aliens care so very much about legal eligibility for benefits.

We’ve already seen reports that California has signed up thousands of illegal aliens for Obamacare — paid for with taxpayer subsidies, of course.

As Joe Wilson so cogently explained about Obama’s promise that Obamacare would not provide U.S. taxpayer-funded healthcare to illegal aliens: YOU LIE!

AZCoyote on May 27, 2014 at 4:54 PM

It’s been hovering around 10 for the last few weeks. Just today it dipped back to 11. We’ll have to wait to see if that marks an actual change or just some noise.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Movement upward ==> rock solid proof ObamaCare is gaining popularity
Movement downward ==> noise

Chuck Schick on May 27, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Tlaloc has his perfect narrative, now he’s trying to squeeze a few stats & polls to make them fit.

22044 on May 27, 2014 at 5:02 PM

If Sanders were an honorable man – and he isn’t – he’d fall on his sword.

GarandFan on May 27, 2014 at 5:11 PM

1. Complete fail of healthcare.gov and needs $1 billion to correct.
2. Still no security on healthcare.gov
3. Still no backend healthcare.gov
4. Oregon health care site crashed and burned up 130 million dollars
5. Maryland health care site crashed and burned up 140 million dollars.
6. Hawaii health care site crashed and burned up 150 million dollars.
7.2 to 1 people believe that Obama-democrat care will make things worse.
8. 7-8 million people lose their health insurance because of Obama-democrat Care.
9. Mandates put off until after 2014 elections.
10. UNIONS against Obama-democrat Care.

I could keep going on about all of the success stories about Obama-democrat care but I’m getting tired.

jukin3 on May 27, 2014 at 4:15 PM

You were supposed to forget that the backends of those websites are still broken.

But I’m glad you reminded us. Gives me an occasion to post this golden oldie:

Ed –
You mean the websites aren’t working perfectly on day one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three twenty-four twenty-five twenty-six twenty-seven twenty-eight twenty-nine thirty thirty-one thirty-two thirty-three thirty-four thirty-five thirty-six thirty-seven thirty-eight thirty-nine forty forty-one forty-two forty-three forty-four forty-five forty-six forty-seven forty-eight forty-nine fifty fifty-one fifty-two fifty-three fifty-four fifty-five fifty-six fifty-seven fifty-eight fifty-nine sixty sixty-one sixty-two sixty-three sixty-four sixty-five sixty-six sixty-seven sixty-eight sixty-nine seventy seventy-one seventy-two seventy-three seventy-four seventy-five seventy-six seventy-seven seventy-eight seventy-nine eighty eighty-one eighty-two eighty-three eighty-four eighty-five eighty-six eighty-seven eighty-eight eighty-nine ninety ninety-one ninety-two ninety-three ninety-four ninety-five ninety-six ninety-seven ninety-eight ninety-nine one hundred one hundred one one hundred two one hundred three one hundred four one hundred five one hundred six one hundred seven one hundred eight one hundred nine one hundred ten one hundred eleven one hundred twelve one hundred thirteen one hundred fourteen one hundred fifteen one hundred sixteen one hundred seventeen one hundred eighteen one hundred nineteen one hundred twenty one hundred twenty-one one hundred twenty-two one hundred twenty-three one hundred twenty-four one hundred twenty-five one hundred twenty-six one hundred twenty-seven one hundred twenty-eight one hundred twenty-nine one hundred thirty one hundred thirty-one one hundred thirty-two one hundred thirty-three one hundred thirty-four one hundred thirty-five one hundred thirty-six one hundred thirty-seven one hundred thirty-eight one hundred thirty-nine one hundred forty one hundred forty-one one hundred forty-two one hundred forty-three one hundred forty-four one hundred forty-five one hundred forty-six one hundred forty-seven one hundred forty-eight one hundred forty-nine one hundred fifty one hundred fifty-one one hundred fifty-two one hundred fifty-three one hundred fifty-four one hundred fifty-five one hundred fifty-six one hundred fifty-seven one hundred fifty-eight one hundred fifty-nine one hundred sixty one hundred sixty-one one hundred sixty-two one hundred sixty-three one hundred sixty-four one hundred sixty-five one hundred sixty-six one hundred sixty-seven one hundred sixty-eight one hundred sixty-nine one hundred seventy one hundred seventy-one one hundred seventy-two one hundred seventy-three one hundred seventy-four one hundred seventy-five one hundred seventy-six one hundred seventy-seven one hundred seventy-eight one hundred seventy-nine one hundred eighty one hundred eighty-one one hundred eighty-two one hundred eighty-three one hundred eighty-four one hundred eighty-five one hundred eighty-six one hundred eighty-seven one hundred eighty-eight one hundred eighty-nine one hundred ninety one hundred ninety-one one hundred ninety-two one hundred ninety-three one hundred ninety-four one hundred ninety-five one hundred ninety-six one hundred ninety-seven one hundred ninety-eight one hundred ninety-nine two hundred two hundred one two hundred two two hundred three two hundred four two hundred five two hundred six two hundred seven two hundred eight two hundred nine two hundred ten two hundred eleven two hundred twelve two hundred thirteen two hundred fourteen two hundred fifteen two hundred sixteen two hundred seventeen two hundred eighteen two hundred nineteen two hundred twenty two hundred twenty-one two hundred twenty-two two hundred twenty-three two hundred twenty-four two hundred twenty-five two hundred twenty-six two hundred twenty-seven two hundred twenty-eight two hundred twenty-nine two hundred thirty two hundred thirty-one two hundred thirty-two two hundred thirty-three two hundred thirty-four two hundred thirty-five two hundred thirty-six two hundred thirty-seven two hundred thirty-eight two hundred thirty-nine
verbaluce on October 1, 2013 at 10:18 AM

(H/T NotCoach)

Hey, whatever happened to verbaluce, anyway?

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 27, 2014 at 5:23 PM

(H/T NotCoach)

Hey, whatever happened to verbaluce, anyway?

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 27, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Heh. Hope that was a C&P task…

22044 on May 27, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Yay! Tlaloc came back.
 

About 5 million previously uninsured people got coverage via Medicaid and the exchanges.
 
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/04/heres-some-stunning-and-unexpected-good-news-about-obamacare

 
I like how the administration isn’t releasing any more of their numbers, don’t you, tlaloc? I’m sure it’s because they’re doing even better than expected before the mid-term elections.
 
5 million previously uninsured. That’s all.

rogerb on May 27, 2014 at 5:42 PM

-15 to -11.4 is margin of error stuff.

I’m sorry but you’re flat wrong.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 3:54 PM

The typical margin of error in polls is between 3% and 3.5%. If you can prove that stat to be flat wrong, please do so. But elsewhere you cite Kaiser and/or Gallup, and both of their most recent polls on the ACA have a 3% margin of error. But hey, feel free to prove me “flat wrong”.

F- (in advance, because everyone knows you can’t prove that I’m lying with my numbers).

Del Dolemonte on May 27, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Don’t forget that the Rand study the White House released for their data had a 37% margin of error.
 
http://imgur.com/D6CibPi

rogerb on May 27, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Maybe. Maybe someday you’ll stop being okay with letting people die just because they’re poor. Who knows what may happen in the future.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Ummmm, yeah like the VA, run by Obama?

After all of the billions spent on the “great society” and you whine about people dying?

Maybe your priorities are wrong…and maybe you can show us how many “died” because of lack of heath care, as opposed to how many will die with ObamaCare?

And we know what will happen in the future, the government can’t run a program properly.

You see, you can’t understand simple math…when you have a product and you introduce a middle man (the feds), it costs more for the product since the middle man has to be paid.

You don’t understand that, and if it doesn’t cost more (as promised), than services have to be cut…

Simple econ that you will learn when you move out of your parents house…

right2bright on May 27, 2014 at 5:51 PM

I guess you just can’t trust the private market to do anything right, huh? ;)
Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

How do you go thru life butthurt stupid?

You seriously believe that Oracle which made billions being state of art in database et al couldn’t do healthcare right because it was incompetent? The technology required by OboobiCare is market proven over decades. These companies are used to dealing in four-9s whereas the govt is used to blowing 10% or more in fraud waste and abuse without even flinching. Stats that would put any company out of business in a heartbeat.

What gives Oracle, Xerox, CGI and other leading tech companies the fits are inane and purely political specifications with no basis in logic or even best practices.

In other words, not even the best company can make a deformed peg like OC fit into a round hole or even a square one. If you want OC to suceed then you must repeal and replace with policies that make sense.

AH_C on May 27, 2014 at 5:53 PM

What’s that I hear?????

Embrace the suck!!!!!

Electrongod on May 27, 2014 at 2:46 PM

You beat me to it.

NewyoricanInTheSouth on May 27, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Maybe someday you’ll stop being okay with letting people die just because they’re poor. Who knows what may happen in the future.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:29 PM
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Google EMTALA. Or talk to all those docs, etc. in your family.

Ask them what happens if an uninsured person has a heart attack & walks in the ER.

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:32 PM

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I’m well aware of EMTALA, if you think that emergency rooms are the only health care that saves lives you’re fooling yourself.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:33 PM

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Doesn’t wash . . . . . government mandated, managed, and administered medical services is going to lead to even more of “letting people die”.

Also, I do NOT believe that “emergency rooms are the only health care that saves lives”.

listens2glenn on May 27, 2014 at 6:23 PM

One more example of Democrat disdain for the poor, saying “Get a job!”, and doing everything in their power to ensure there are no jobs to be had.

That being said, this does seem over the top even for them, to penalize those who want to provide charitable help for the poor. I guess they’ve finally recognized that Republicans are the ones who are the most generous in giving to charities, so in their eyes charitable giving is now evil. It does provide hope to people that they might break the yoke of government bondage, so I can see how they would object to that.

Next they will probably start threatening to take away tax-exempt status for churches who spend too much of their budget on benevolence.

s1im on May 27, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Next they will probably start threatening to take away tax-exempt status for churches who spend too much of their budget on benevolence.
s1im on May 27, 2014 at 8:31 PM

That’s always have been the progressive plan. None may be charitable unless the gubmint has a hand in serving. They used “food poisoning” as the excuse to elbow out churches from passing out sandwiches and soup. They forced rescue missions to separate their charity from their ministry. They even shutdown adoption agencies – “for the ghey couples” so that adoption becomes less likely for anyone and abortion to be the preferred way out fron motherhood.

Oh count the ways that charity is snuffed for the greater good – dependence on the state.

AH_C on May 27, 2014 at 8:56 PM

I guess you just can’t trust the private market to do anything right, huh? ;)
Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Talk to us when the VA gets straightened out, huh? ;)

itsspideyman on May 27, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Tlaloc, I’m a pharmacist and I haven’t seen any poor people dying from lack of medical care – except for our veterans in the socialized VA medical system.

My husband is retired army and I can tell you from experience that the medical care in the socialized military hospitals and clinics isn’t much, if any, better. While my husband was stationed in Germany an officer we knew of died due to poor military medical care during and immediately after childbirth. She basically bled to death. My husband and I wouldn’t have dare taken our children to the military medical facilities.

sherrimae on May 28, 2014 at 2:21 AM

Thanks. One last question and then I’ll be on my way. Do you think ObamaCare will be as successful as the VA system has been?

Bmore on May 27, 2014 at 4:34 PM

gotta run, good day everyone.

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:36 PM

And THAT’S how you scatter the roaches……

Renee on May 28, 2014 at 3:06 AM

What about the gazillions of illegal aliens who aren’t allowed to buy (and pay for) Obamacare, but STILL GET MANDATED FREE HEALTH CARE at the ER?

In Las Vegas alone — just one hospital, just one procedure, in one year — $24 million for emergency dialysis for illegal aliens.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/illegal-immigrants-burden-umc

Illegal aliens — bankrupting our country while providing “cheap” labor.

fred5678 on May 28, 2014 at 5:07 AM

Um, wow.

So how’s that exchange website going out there?

/s

cs89 on May 27, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Badly. Oracle really screwed the pooch. I guess you just can’t trust the private market to do anything right, huh? ;)

Tlaloc on May 27, 2014 at 4:09 PM

The State of Oregon was in charge of this program, not the “private market.”

This is very simple. And you can’t see it.

Closet Optimist on May 28, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Problem?

Heath care costs too much for the poor, and is causing too many issues and bankruptcies.

Liberal solution? Raise the cot of health care to the poor.

Every couple of days I’m reminded how lucky I am that I’m not in any group where the liberals would try to “help” me.

Seriously guys, never under any circumstances ever try to help me.

If you see me stuck on my roof, leave me alone…
Because I’m sure your “solution” will be to set the house on fire.

gekkobear on May 28, 2014 at 1:08 PM

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