Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on May 26, 2014 by Allahpundit

The man suspected of killing six people in a drive-by shooting in California had three legally-owned handguns with him, authorities say.

In addition to the guns, Santa Barbara Sheriff Bill Brown confirmed that Rodger had a total of 41 10-round magazines with him.

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Elliot Rodger’s shooting spree had Sen. Dianne Feinstein lamenting the “stranglehold” the NRA has over gun laws

Feinstein questioned why Elliot Rodger was able to legally obtain and keep his guns.

“We must ask ourselves if an individual whose family called police with concerns about mental health, who is receiving therapy and who has had several run-ins with police should be allowed to own multiple firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. When anyone, no matter their mental health or history, can so easily obtain any gun they want and as many as they want—we must recognize there is a problem.

“Unfortunately the NRA continues to have a stranglehold on Congress, preventing even commonsense measures like universal background checks that have overwhelming support. Americans need to rise up and say enough is enough. Until that happens, we will continue to see these devastating attacks. Shame on us for allowing this to continue.”

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Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) said Sunday that Friday’s deadly rampage near the University of California at Santa Barbara underscores why expanded background checks for firearm sales are needed and said he hopes to pursue legislation to enhance mental health screening.

“This tragedy demonstrates once again the need to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill,” King said in an interview with The Washington Post.

King, who represents a suburban Long Island district and is one of the GOP’s most prominent gun-control advocates, also pushed Republicans to buck powerful gun rights groups.

“Even though this issue may not be popular in particular congressional districts, if we want to be a national party, we ought to be looking closely at it,” he said.

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Even in California, with some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, Elliot O. Rodger was able to amass a stash of weapons and ammunition, despite having struggled with mental health issues for years…

California has some of the nation’s strictest laws limiting the gun rights of people with mental illness, going much further than the federal standard. Still, it was unclear if the police would have even had the authority to search Mr. Rodger’s home for weapons when they went to check on him. California law permits law enforcement to confiscate firearms in such situations only if the person is admitted to a mental health facility on a so-called 5150, or a 72-hour psychiatric hold for evaluation.

California has banned high-capacity magazines, but Mr. Rodger had at least 41 low-capacity magazines, with more than enough ammunition to unleash a deadly attack, said Adam Winkler, a law professor at University of California, Los Angeles, who is an expert in gun laws.

“The lesson here is that there is not necessarily some magic bullet that is going to stop these mass shootings, though I wish there were,” Mr. Winkler said.

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Buried in the Second Amendment is the right to self-defense, the very mechanism that allowed our Founding Fathers to win freedom from tyranny. Some argue it is the right that guarantees all other rights. Our forefathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves against outside threats, and even from internal tyranny. They may have even intended us to be able to protect ourselves from each other.

It is a stretch to argue they intended guns to be so available, in such strength, that children, high-school populations and co-workers and law enforcement could be so easily slaughtered…

Gun rights advocates often see a comment like that as an argument for further restriction on their use of weapons, but that’s not the way I intend it. I myself am a responsible gun owner. I believe in the right to justified self-defense. I also believe that reasonable restrictions to assure that only law-abiding citizens can purchase firearms better prevents over-restriction of our Second Amendment.

Our Constitution is a resilient force, and our Bill of Rights has survived countless modifications and restrictions without the erosion of fundamental freedoms. Our Second Amendment right is no different: It can survive modification and restriction without the fear that it will vanish altogether.

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Christopher died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the N.R.A. That’s true. That the killer in question was in the grip of a mad, woman-hating ideology, or that he was also capable of stabbing someone to death with a knife, are peripheral issues to the central one of a gun culture that has struck the Martinez family and ruined their lives. (The shooter, Elliot Rodger, had three semi-automatic handguns that, according to the Los Angeles Times, he’d purchased legally.) Why did Christopher Michael-Martinez die? Because the N.R.A. and the politicians they intimidate enable people to get their hands on weapons and ammunition whose only purpose is to kill other people as quickly and as lethally as possible. How do we know that they are the ‘because’ in this? Because every other modern country has suffered from the same kinds of killings, from the same kinds of sick kids, and every other country has changed its laws to stop them from happening again, and in every other country it hasn’t happened again. (Australia is the clearest case—a horrific gun massacre, new laws, no more gun massacres—but the same is true of Canada, Great Britain, you name it.)…

Speaking clearly also lets us examine the elements of a proposition plainly. We know that slogans masquerading as plain speech are mere rhetoric because, on a moment’s inspection, they reveal themselves to be absurd. “The best answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” reveals itself to be a lie on a single inspection: the best answer is to not let the bad guy have a gun. “Guns don’t kill people, people do.” No: obviously, people with guns kill more people than people without them. Why not ban knives or cars, which can be instruments of death, too? Because these things were designed to help people do things other than kill people. “Gun control” means controlling those things whose first purpose is to help people kill other people. (I’ve written at length about farmers and hunting rifles, and of how they’re properly controlled in Canada. In any case, if guns were controlled merely as well as cars and alcohol, we’d be a long way along.) And the idea that you can be pro-life and still be pro-gun: if your primary concern is actually with the sacredness of life, then you have to stand with Richard Martinez, in memory of his son.

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The numbers say that so many of these guns used on innocent people, dead because they went to work or went to school, were purchased legally. It means that the real insanity in the greatest country in the world, the one for which my father and all those like him fought, is this:

That we are somehow sane on the subject of guns.

We think we can police the rest of the world while the rest of the world looks at us like the Wild West; while those here who say this is all a way of protecting the Second Amendment are the ones making a mockery of its original intent, and ideals.

This is Memorial Day 2014 then. We mourn more dead college kids along with those who laid down their lives for our freedoms, mourn more innocents gunned down on the real modern battlefield:

The streets of the United States of America.

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With due respect to those who are asking me to comment on last night’s tragic mass shooting at UCSB in Isla Vista, CA — I no longer have anything to say about what is now part of normal American life. Everything I have to say about this, I said it 12 years ago: We are a people easily manipulated by fear which causes us to arm ourselves with a quarter BILLION guns in our homes that are often easily accessible to young people, burglars, the mentally ill and anyone who momentarily snaps. We are a nation founded in violence, grew our borders through violence, and allow men in power to use violence around the world to further our so-called American (corporate) “interests.” The gun, not the eagle, is our true national symbol. While other countries have more violent pasts (Germany, Japan), more guns per capita in their homes (Canada [mostly hunting guns]), and the kids in most other countries watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games that our kids play, no one even comes close to killing as many of its own citizens on a daily basis as we do — and yet we don’t seem to want to ask ourselves this simple question: “Why us? What is it about US?” Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males. None of them are committed by the majority gender, women. Hmmm, why is that? Even when 90% of the American public calls for stronger gun laws, Congress refuses — and then we the people refuse to remove them from office. So the onus is on us, all of us. We won’t pass the necessary laws, but more importantly we won’t consider why this happens here all the time. When the NRA says, “Guns don’t kill people — people kill people,” they’ve got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: “Guns don’t kill people — Americans kill people.” Enjoy the rest of your day, and rest assured this will all happen again very soon.

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You have to hand it to the liberals: they never miss an opportunity to convert tragedy into political gain. In the wake of Elliot Rodger’s six murders–three with a knife and three with a gun, plus injuries inflicted with an automobile–they are calling, once again, for gun confiscation. I guess they are, anyway. As usual, they denounce conservatives and say things like “end the madness,” but confiscation seems to be the point of it all.

Once again, though, liberals are denied the holy grail of mass murderers–a conservative perpetrator, preferably a follower of the Tea Party. Rodger, like most of the others, was a devoted liberal. He followed the Young Turks on YouTube, a far-left group led by a goof named Cenk Uygur who once was an MSNBC host. So, foiled once again, liberals can make only their broader propaganda points…

Beyond that, some might argue that Rodger was a prototypical liberal male, only carried to a pathological extreme. Consider the profile: socially awkward, convinced of his own brilliance but not notably successful in life, hungry for revenge against those who have done better despite their obvious inferiority, eager to gain power over others, but through political influence rather than firearms–is this not a typical liberal on Twitter, or elsewhere on the internet? Or, for that matter, in the Obama administration? Isn’t state power the legal path to the long-awaited revenge of the liberal nerds? This strikes me as a plausible suggestion.

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ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

If voting GOP means I get donk governance why not just vote Donk?

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:37 PM

…because you’ll get cooties!

Vince on May 26, 2014 at 8:53 PM

‘It’s the law’!!!!

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Okay, back…did anyone do anything special today? Parades? Concerts? Cookouts?

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

lineholder: Ugh,third try to posty this:)

Memorial Day

National Memorial Day Parade

WASHINGTON, DC — The 2014 National Memorial Day Parade will be hosted by Rita Cosby of Inside Edition and wounded warrior and Dancing with the Stars winner JR Martinez, that features actor Gary Sinise, Grammy Award Winner Kristian Bush from the band Sugarland, and Miss America 2014, Nina Davuluri, as well as senior military leadership from all branches of service. The parade will take place Monday, May 26, 2014 at 2:00 PM on Constitution Avenue in Washington, DC.

This webcast has ended. Please visit http://www.dvidshub.net/video/339499/national-memorial-day-parade to see a playback of the live event.
(More)

http://www.military.com/memorial-day/memorial-day-parade.html

Video:

http://www.dvidshub.net/video/339499/national-memorial-day-parade#.U4PfOnbDWgY

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 8:53 PM

I read an excerpt of the manifesto, looks like it will be an easy read…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

BB: Maybe ‘fix’ is not quite the word you’re looking for.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Correct?

The mental heath community is unable to treat the problems that these people have. They are nothing but a dispensary for the drug manufacturers.

Of course you could always opt for a lobotomy or electroshock therapy.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Is there a point to that stupid screed with NO counterpoint, or are you offering clickbait?

irongrampa on May 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

If it were illegal, this guy wouldn’t have done this.

People don’t do things that are illegal.

Ever.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

We should pass some kinda law to fix that…………………

VegasRick on May 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Btw ALT,, hello.

wolly4321 on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Let’s Advance The Discussion

PointnClick on May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Awesome!

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Sorta the ‘bust a deal, face the wheel’ kinda whosywhatsis. Auntie will fix it.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

For you H/A Crew Members in ND:

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Mckenzie, ND, US
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canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Okay, back…did anyone do anything special today? Parades? Concerts? Cookouts?

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

I cleaned up some of the mess I made on memorial day 2013.

SparkPlug on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

California is free to secede from the union and pass whichever laws they want.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

all of rogers guns were purchase legally. that points to a problem with the laws that allowed this to happen. if the laws had been better about saying whom can have guns this probably never would of happen. what is a 22 year old doing with guns anyway? why are they allowed to half them?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Gotta cook dinner. BBL.

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

I have not progressed that far I guess. I’m at the part where he’s at SBCC and he’s just cancelled all his classes and lost his last and probably only true friend, James Ellis.

As far as that Assburgers goes, I don’t buy any of that junk. Annoyingtwerp has it and I’ve seen no evidence of her going off the deep end. Hell, she had a husband for God’s sake. This entire situation appears to have happened because he couldn’t get laid. It seems to me after reading as much as I have is the kid wanted a BMW girlfriend on a Chrysler K-car salary.

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Are you diminishing his problems?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

18m ago
Baltimore Police say they are investigating several reports of large group of teens fighting downtown – @baltimoresun
read more on baltimoresun.com

huh…

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

why are they allowed to half them?

That must be some doggone good koch.

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

I read an excerpt of the manifesto, looks like it will be an easy read…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Hehehe. Think again sir. :)

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

that features actor Gary Sinise

{{{{{Gary Sinise}}}}}} =)

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

California is free to secede from the union and pass whichever laws they want.

Bertram Cabot Jr. on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

They don’t even have to secede from the union to pass whatever laws they want. Subsidiarity FTW! (I wish they’d secede anyway. Bunch of asshole libwits over there.)

gryphon202 on May 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

BB: ‘treat’, fix’ correct’? what exactly are they trying to do?

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

all of rogers guns were purchase legally. that points to a problem with the laws that allowed this to happen. if the laws had been better about saying whom can have guns this probably never would of happen. what is a 22 year old doing with guns anyway? why are they allowed to half them?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

All of his murders were also carried out legally.

Should they make murder illegal?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

Horny anti-social 20-something with mental issues can’t get a girl, while dad not only is an assistant director in Hollywood and around some of the hottest women in the country, but (as noted in Headlines earlier today), dad was also taking booty shots, including some naked booty shots, of those same hot women who wouldn’t give Elliot the time of day.

Liberals want to point fingers at the usual subjects, while never pointing them at the sexual and violent images Hollywood produces for its own profits. And they won’t do it here, either, even though Elliot Rodgers not only was all around it, he couldn’t even get away from it in his own family home. Better for the left to toss out their usual boilerplate against the NRA and thereby absolve their own cultural preferences for fun and/or profit with having anything to do with creating Rodgers’ misogyny.

jon1979 on May 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

I cleaned up some of the mess I made on memorial day 2013.

SparkPlug on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Dang! ROFL. I hope there wasn’t any food involved.

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

He’s saying that people(on the left) are looking for a scapegoat and that Asperger’s is handy.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

This just in:

Don Abernathy is still rolling on the floor laughing…

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM

That used to really get on my nerves! Every damned post.

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Page after pager after page.

pain train on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

That must be some doggone good koch.

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:57 PM

He’s excorcizing his right to post. Bro’s a fisherman……….

VegasRick on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Hi Wolly!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

BB: ‘treat’, fix’ correct’? what exactly are they trying to do?

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

To them, they are trying to minimize effects of the problem.

In reality, they simply hide the problem, for a while.

And the deeper it goes, the worse it gets.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

irongrampa

Clickbait on a serious topic…

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Koch @ 8:56. Uhm, the law is kinda called the second amendment. I’m no longer sure to what it is amended, but there y’are.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Are you diminishing his problems?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Perhaps I haven’t been clear. You vote democrat yes? I said in my first comment that if not for the murder spree I’d feel pity for the young lad at least as far as I have read.

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 9:00 PM

all of rogers guns were purchase legally. that points to a problem with the laws that allowed this to happen. if the laws had been better about saying whom can have guns this probably never would of happen. what is a 22 year old doing with guns anyway? why are they allowed to half them?
ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

We’re being punk’d. Nobody is these stupid.

Marcus on May 26, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Jon1979

Nice post & very much dead on…

This guy is the Democrats’ problem not mine.

Moonbats heal thyselves…

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

And it is the fault of the Auto Club that this demented individual was allowed to purchase and operate a BMW devoid of any socially acceptable characteristics….a vehicle designed purely to satisfy the prurient interests of its owners….an assault vehicle for the rich.

Another Drew on May 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

And the more they try to hide it the deeper it goes. Gotcha.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:02 PM

I cleaned up some of the mess I made on memorial day 2013.

SparkPlug on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I cleaned the bathroom.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

All of his murders were also carried out legally.

Should they make murder illegal?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:58 PM

murder isnt a fungible thing..you cant own it, hold it in your hands, ect..so it is dishonest to compare outlawing murder to outlawing certain people from owning certain real, fungible things like weapons. when you band activities you can only enforce those bans by deterents and after the fact punishments. when you ban fungible things you can actually control who physically haves them.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

2nd Amendment is an inalienable right–Constitution affirms this. It doesn’t GRANT it, simply confirms it.

This being the case, why is it deemed necessary for any government entity to permit the exercise of that right?

irongrampa on May 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

Thanks for the Memorial Day message.

itsspideyman on May 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

We’re being punk’d. Nobody is these stupid.

Marcus on May 26, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Yep. Not so sure about the second sentence, have you ever read some of libfree’s posts?

VegasRick on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

The kid was spoiled by his mother, ignored by his father, and thought he should never have to work for anything, but everything should be provided to him on a silver platter. He was never taught by his parents to function in the real world, so he never could function in the real world.

If he honestly had mental health issues, it sure wasn’t Asperger’s…

ladyingray on May 25, 2014 at 9:56 PM

This post is the best summation of the young man in CA. IMO.

Kudos to ladyingray

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I cleaned up some of the mess I made on memorial day 2013.

SparkPlug on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I cleaned the bathroom.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

I cleaned the AC filters…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Because every other modern country has suffered from the same kinds of killings, from the same kinds of sick kids, and every other country has changed its laws to stop them from happening again, and in every other country it hasn’t happened again. (Australia is the clearest case—a horrific gun massacre, new laws, no more gun massacres—but the same is true of Canada, Great Britain, you name it.)

Sorry, sweetheart. I had to buy guns after my elderly parents were the victims of a home invasion. You know who told me to buy guns?

The cops we called to protect us.

We need to change the laws that determine how the mentally ill are to be treated by law enforcement. I’m not going to give up my right to self-defense because our society feels sorry for the mentally ill.

I know a psychopath. He’s angry at me because I tried to get him help, and the authorities laughed in my face. If he ever shows up at my house unannounced, there won’t be any discussion. I’ll react instantly.

He’s mentally ill, so in a sense he’s not responsible for his actions. Still, those actions will deadly for me, if he follows through on what he’s threatened.

So even though I feel sorry for him, I won’t hesitate to defend myself and my brother. You know who will be responsible for what happens?

All the craven politicians and activists who’ve made it impossible to preempt a spree killing by disarming and incarcerating the lunatic. Until the laws on detaining the dangerously mentally ill change, I’m keeping my guns, thank you.

A Chair of Some Kind on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Just for you ;-)

Lynyrd Skynyrd – God and Guns

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Typing, Kock. Typing. Ttry ‘Preview’.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

FBI Stats:

https://www.google.ca/#q=FBI+Statistics+on+Knife+Crimes+

Expanded Homicide Data Table 8
Murder Victims

by Weapon, 2006–2010

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls
======================================

Expanded Homicide Data Table 11
Murder Circumstances

by Weapon, 2011

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-11

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

He’s saying that people(on the left) are looking for a scapegoat and that Asperger’s is handy.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Sorry. I just read my post and I said you had a husband when I meant you have (has) one. My bad. :(

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

All that happened over there in CA, where there are lots of gun restrictions. Most all this “mass murder” stuff happens where there are lots of restrictive gun laws.

Yes, crimes like this can be prevented “by a good guy with a gun”. If you call your local police department on their “911″ line, what is their response time? Assuming you can even call them? Four minutes? 5 minutes? More? Those are long times, if you are stranded without a weapon.

By the way, the police don’t have to protect you; it’s not their duty:
http://www.copblock.org/27067/police-have-no-duty-to-protect-you/

So, who is going to protect you? You are going to protect yourself … with a gun. And if CA didn’t have such restrictive gun laws & CCW restrictions, this whole incident may have been cut much shorter.

majorzot on May 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Oops. Takes own advice. Heh.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Koch should just be ignored…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

I cleaned up some of the mess I made on memorial day 2013.

SparkPlug on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I cleaned the bathroom.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

I cleaned the AC filters…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

OC: I cleaned the Cats Poop Box,…:)

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

to own multiple firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition.

Sheesh. A typical day at the range for me involves multiple guns and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. I reload, of course, which keeps the cost semi-reasonable.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

He’s saying that people(on the left) are looking for a scapegoat and that Asperger’s is handy.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

‘Scapegoat’ is a terrific Biblical reference. Kuddos.

My point was that we shouldn’t diminish the awful problems this kid faced.

You know, walk a mile in their shoes.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Sorry. I just read my post and I said you had a husband when I meant you have (has) one. My bad. :(

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

She have (has) had more than one…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Koch should just be ignored…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Nuh uh! This guy is comedy gold! :-D

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Koch should just be ignored…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Or toyed with.

Or mocked.

Both are valid and viable options.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I cleaned up some of the mess I made on memorial day 2013.

SparkPlug on May 26, 2014 at 8:55 PM

I cleaned the bathroom.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

I cleaned the AC filters…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

OC: I cleaned the Cats Poop Box,…:)

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

What productive people we all are. I think we deserve a drink. Where’s Newtie?

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

all of rogers guns were purchase legally. that points to a problem with the laws that allowed this to happen. if the laws had been better about saying whom can have guns this probably never would of happen. what is a 22 year old doing with guns anyway? why are they allowed to half them?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

I just don’t know how to respond to this. With sympathy? With an effort at understanding? I’m going to go with frustration.

Hopefully you will find a way to educate yourself so you can at least put forth an argument that reads like you at least had a grade school education!

Vince on May 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Just for you ;-)

Lynyrd Skynyrd – God and Guns

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

not really my style, but thanks.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

OC: I cleaned the Cats Poop Box,…:)

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Heh…
That’s always a good thing. I don’t have to clean Ratso’s, always seems to get done…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

What productive people we all are. I think we deserve a drink. Where’s Newtie?

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

*clinks*

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Even if God himself stands against the second amendment, it is not going to be changed… The low IQ liberals can keep trying to take out the second amendment but they will never succeed…

mnjg on May 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Hey P&C, I read PigTrap-
Great read!

bazil9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Glad you liked it, babe… =)

PointnClick on May 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

He’s saying that people(on the left) are looking for a scapegoat and that Asperger’s is handy.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

ALT: NUTS—:0

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

OC: I cleaned the Cats Poop Box,…:)
canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Heh…
That’s always a good thing. I don’t have to clean Ratso’s, always seems to get done…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

sounds like your cat is eating its own poop. you probably dont have to feed it either.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM

She have (has) had more than one…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

I could think of something funny to say about that re: Rodgers. But in light of the way I feel after reading it would not be appropriate. The young man has much to atone for. Exactly how much is for God to decide.

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Heh…
That’s always a good thing. I don’t have to clean Ratso’s, always seems to get done…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 9:08 PM

OC: Really,..maybes I’ll send my Kittehs to Ratso,..for some
training, haha:)

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Koch @ 8:56. Honey, laws don’t allow or disallow things to happen. They prescribe responses after the fact. ‘After the fact’ for innocent dead people, well……. I dunno. How about you?

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:12 PM

If he honestly had mental health issues, it sure wasn’t Asperger’s…

He was residing in a home for the mentally ill, the Independent Living Institute.

Spree killers are pathological. He wasn’t spoiled; he was broken and beyond repair.

Of all the kinds of murderers, spree or rampage killers are the most generic. They all suffer from the same defects: lack of empathy, massive self-regard, sadism, envy, and a desire for retribution.

All of them were either abused and/or neglected by their parents.

Spree killers are made, not born. And they always work up to their crimes, leaving a trail of red flags ten miles long.

A Chair of Some Kind on May 26, 2014 at 9:12 PM

PointnClick on May 26, 2014 at 9:10 PM

=)

bazil9 on May 26, 2014 at 9:13 PM

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 9:04 PM

When I was growing up-I wasn’t diagnosed with Asperger’s until I was 33-my mother used to constantly remind me that no one owed me ANYTHING.

Exactly.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 9:14 PM

murder isnt a fungible thing..you cant own it, hold it in your hands, ect..so it is dishonest to compare outlawing murder to outlawing certain people from owning certain real, fungible things like weapons. when you band activities you can only enforce those bans by deterents and after the fact punishments. when you ban fungible things you can actually control who physically haves them.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:03 PM

That’s besides the point. If murder were illegal, this never would have happened.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Koch @ 8:56. Honey, laws don’t allow or disallow things to happen. They prescribe responses after the fact.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:12 PM

thats true of laws about activities and actions but not true of laws about possession of things. laws saying people cant have certain things can actually prevent people from having those tihngs.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:16 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Rain is good.

wolly4321 on May 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:56 PM

My 20 year old owns 2 rifles-and next year when he turns 21, Mama Twerp(that’s me) is gonna help him pick out his first pistol AND pay for his CHL class.
Freedom is AWESOME!
*sneaky grin*

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:06 PM

What productive people we all are. I think we deserve a drink. Where’s Newtie?

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 9:07 PM

crankyoldlady:

She’s probably finishing a cleaning job, (oh wait that might come across, er,.misconstruded as sexist) or project to upstage us…
…(Le sarc)—-:0

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Kock: Horse doodoo. I’m not even going to try to explain.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Spree killers are made, not born.

A Chair of Some Kind on May 26, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Really? I’m glad you “know” that “fact”.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 26, 2014 at 9:18 PM

a chair of some kind

Quite… a narcissistic time bomb who detonated and isn’t this in many ways the story of Bronko Bama

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 9:18 PM

That’s besides the point. If murder were illegal, this never would have happened.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 9:15 PM

your being a little disingenious or your missing my distintion between activities and things. the laws could of done a better job keeping guns out of the hands of someone like rogers of whom should never of had them.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

hilery cann fix gun problems wehn presdant

dale1 on May 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

thats true of laws about activities and actions but not true of laws about possession of things. laws saying people cant have certain things can actually prevent people from having those tihngs.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:16 PM

And there are laws that prevented this kid from having guns.

That’s my point. The system worked.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Its heating up:

South China Sea dispute
8m
Chinese ship attacks and sinks Vietnam fishing boat; crew is rescued, says Vietnam foreign ministry – @BloombergNews
Read more on bloomberg.com

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-27/chinese-boat-attacks-sinks-vietnam-fishing-vessel-vietnam-says.html

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:20 PM

gotta be nathor…

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Quite… a narcissistic time bomb who detonated and isn’t this in many ways the story of Bronko Bama

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 9:18 PM

Hahaha! I’m tired of Broncobama and Mitt Rominy!

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

your being a little disingenious or your missing my distintion between activities and things. the laws could of done a better job keeping guns out of the hands of someone like rogers of whom should never of had them.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

I’m mocking you.

Just like you’re mocking us by being ridiculous.

If you’ll stop pretending to be ridiculous, I’ll stop mocking you for being ridiculous.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Chinese ship attacks and sinks Vietnam fishing boat; crew is rescued, says Vietnam foreign ministry – @BloombergNews
Read more on bloomberg.com

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-27/chinese-boat-attacks-sinks-vietnam-fishing-vessel-vietnam-says.html

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Behold the tremendous power of the chiner navy. They can sink via ramming a FV. wow.

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Kock @ 9:19: like they kept the assault knives (with the thing that goes up) out of his hands? Sheesh.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

TPOP

I’d make the educated guess had his parents not indulged his avaricious tastes so ably his narcissism wouldn’t have had so deep a well….

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Lynyrd Skynyrd – Things Going On

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

My 20 year old owns 2 rifles-and next year when he turns 21, Mama Twerp(that’s me) is gonna help him pick out his first pistol AND pay for his CHL class.
Freedom is AWESOME!
*sneaky grin*

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 9:17 PM

you have to be 25 to rent a car. owning a gun is arguebly more potential dangerous. what would be wrong with a law making minimum age for gun ownership 25?

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Heads Up ALT,..and other H/A Crew Members in Harms Way:

Coke, TX, US
58s
Tornado warnings remain for Coke, Sterling, and Tom Green counties in Texas northwest of San Angelo – @reedtimmerTVN
see original on twitter.com

https://twitter.com/reedtimmerTVN
=================================

Reed Timmer @reedtimmerTVN · 11m

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https://twitter.com/reedtimmerTVN/status/471095607118278656/photo/1/large

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 9:22 PM

Sounds like your cat is eating its own poop. you probably dont have to feed it either. ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:11

Is that really the best you can do?

Seriously..

wolly4321 on May 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM

And there are laws that prevented this kid from having guns.

That’s my point. The system worked.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

what laws prevented him from having guns? all the news stories prove that the guns were legally purchased and owned by him.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM

According to official government numbers, the top 25 banks in the United States now have a grand total of more than 236 trillion dollars of exposure to derivatives. But there are four banks that dwarf everyone else. The following are the latest numbers for those four banks…

JPMorgan Chase

Total Assets: $1,945,467,000,000 (nearly 2 trillion dollars)

Total Exposure To Derivatives: $70,088,625,000,000 (more than 70 trillion dollars)

Citibank

Total Assets: $1,346,747,000,000 (a bit more than 1.3 trillion dollars)

Total Exposure To Derivatives: $62,247,698,000,000 (more than 62 trillion dollars)

Bank Of America

Total Assets: $1,433,716,000,000 (a bit more than 1.4 trillion dollars)

Total Exposure To Derivatives: $38,850,900,000,000 (more than 38 trillion dollars)

Goldman Sachs

Total Assets: $105,616,000,000 (just a shade over 105 billion dollars – yes, you read that correctly)

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Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Kock @ 9:21: The second amendment? Or am I just being silly?

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM

the laws could of done a better job keeping guns out of the hands of someone like rogers of whom should never of had them.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 9:19 PM

“of” … “have” … what difference, at this point, does it make? Maybe you’ll learn the difference your next time through elementary school?

What about the laws to keep knives out of the his hands and to keep him from behind the wheel of 3000 pouunds of metal that he could hurtle down the road at 50 mph, right next to innocent bystanders?

You are the disingenuous one. You want to make laws to restrict the rights of the citizenry in order to pretend you could have stopped one or two specific dirtbags. On the other side, I bet you rallied for Tookie and work hard to get Mumia out. Yeah … we know you do.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 26, 2014 at 9:23 PM

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