Quotes of the day

posted at 8:01 pm on May 26, 2014 by Allahpundit

The man suspected of killing six people in a drive-by shooting in California had three legally-owned handguns with him, authorities say.

In addition to the guns, Santa Barbara Sheriff Bill Brown confirmed that Rodger had a total of 41 10-round magazines with him.

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Elliot Rodger’s shooting spree had Sen. Dianne Feinstein lamenting the “stranglehold” the NRA has over gun laws

Feinstein questioned why Elliot Rodger was able to legally obtain and keep his guns.

“We must ask ourselves if an individual whose family called police with concerns about mental health, who is receiving therapy and who has had several run-ins with police should be allowed to own multiple firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. When anyone, no matter their mental health or history, can so easily obtain any gun they want and as many as they want—we must recognize there is a problem.

“Unfortunately the NRA continues to have a stranglehold on Congress, preventing even commonsense measures like universal background checks that have overwhelming support. Americans need to rise up and say enough is enough. Until that happens, we will continue to see these devastating attacks. Shame on us for allowing this to continue.”

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Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.) said Sunday that Friday’s deadly rampage near the University of California at Santa Barbara underscores why expanded background checks for firearm sales are needed and said he hopes to pursue legislation to enhance mental health screening.

“This tragedy demonstrates once again the need to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill,” King said in an interview with The Washington Post.

King, who represents a suburban Long Island district and is one of the GOP’s most prominent gun-control advocates, also pushed Republicans to buck powerful gun rights groups.

“Even though this issue may not be popular in particular congressional districts, if we want to be a national party, we ought to be looking closely at it,” he said.

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Even in California, with some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, Elliot O. Rodger was able to amass a stash of weapons and ammunition, despite having struggled with mental health issues for years…

California has some of the nation’s strictest laws limiting the gun rights of people with mental illness, going much further than the federal standard. Still, it was unclear if the police would have even had the authority to search Mr. Rodger’s home for weapons when they went to check on him. California law permits law enforcement to confiscate firearms in such situations only if the person is admitted to a mental health facility on a so-called 5150, or a 72-hour psychiatric hold for evaluation.

California has banned high-capacity magazines, but Mr. Rodger had at least 41 low-capacity magazines, with more than enough ammunition to unleash a deadly attack, said Adam Winkler, a law professor at University of California, Los Angeles, who is an expert in gun laws.

“The lesson here is that there is not necessarily some magic bullet that is going to stop these mass shootings, though I wish there were,” Mr. Winkler said.

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Buried in the Second Amendment is the right to self-defense, the very mechanism that allowed our Founding Fathers to win freedom from tyranny. Some argue it is the right that guarantees all other rights. Our forefathers wanted us to be able to protect ourselves against outside threats, and even from internal tyranny. They may have even intended us to be able to protect ourselves from each other.

It is a stretch to argue they intended guns to be so available, in such strength, that children, high-school populations and co-workers and law enforcement could be so easily slaughtered…

Gun rights advocates often see a comment like that as an argument for further restriction on their use of weapons, but that’s not the way I intend it. I myself am a responsible gun owner. I believe in the right to justified self-defense. I also believe that reasonable restrictions to assure that only law-abiding citizens can purchase firearms better prevents over-restriction of our Second Amendment.

Our Constitution is a resilient force, and our Bill of Rights has survived countless modifications and restrictions without the erosion of fundamental freedoms. Our Second Amendment right is no different: It can survive modification and restriction without the fear that it will vanish altogether.

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Christopher died because of craven, irresponsible politicians and the N.R.A. That’s true. That the killer in question was in the grip of a mad, woman-hating ideology, or that he was also capable of stabbing someone to death with a knife, are peripheral issues to the central one of a gun culture that has struck the Martinez family and ruined their lives. (The shooter, Elliot Rodger, had three semi-automatic handguns that, according to the Los Angeles Times, he’d purchased legally.) Why did Christopher Michael-Martinez die? Because the N.R.A. and the politicians they intimidate enable people to get their hands on weapons and ammunition whose only purpose is to kill other people as quickly and as lethally as possible. How do we know that they are the ‘because’ in this? Because every other modern country has suffered from the same kinds of killings, from the same kinds of sick kids, and every other country has changed its laws to stop them from happening again, and in every other country it hasn’t happened again. (Australia is the clearest case—a horrific gun massacre, new laws, no more gun massacres—but the same is true of Canada, Great Britain, you name it.)…

Speaking clearly also lets us examine the elements of a proposition plainly. We know that slogans masquerading as plain speech are mere rhetoric because, on a moment’s inspection, they reveal themselves to be absurd. “The best answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” reveals itself to be a lie on a single inspection: the best answer is to not let the bad guy have a gun. “Guns don’t kill people, people do.” No: obviously, people with guns kill more people than people without them. Why not ban knives or cars, which can be instruments of death, too? Because these things were designed to help people do things other than kill people. “Gun control” means controlling those things whose first purpose is to help people kill other people. (I’ve written at length about farmers and hunting rifles, and of how they’re properly controlled in Canada. In any case, if guns were controlled merely as well as cars and alcohol, we’d be a long way along.) And the idea that you can be pro-life and still be pro-gun: if your primary concern is actually with the sacredness of life, then you have to stand with Richard Martinez, in memory of his son.

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The numbers say that so many of these guns used on innocent people, dead because they went to work or went to school, were purchased legally. It means that the real insanity in the greatest country in the world, the one for which my father and all those like him fought, is this:

That we are somehow sane on the subject of guns.

We think we can police the rest of the world while the rest of the world looks at us like the Wild West; while those here who say this is all a way of protecting the Second Amendment are the ones making a mockery of its original intent, and ideals.

This is Memorial Day 2014 then. We mourn more dead college kids along with those who laid down their lives for our freedoms, mourn more innocents gunned down on the real modern battlefield:

The streets of the United States of America.

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With due respect to those who are asking me to comment on last night’s tragic mass shooting at UCSB in Isla Vista, CA — I no longer have anything to say about what is now part of normal American life. Everything I have to say about this, I said it 12 years ago: We are a people easily manipulated by fear which causes us to arm ourselves with a quarter BILLION guns in our homes that are often easily accessible to young people, burglars, the mentally ill and anyone who momentarily snaps. We are a nation founded in violence, grew our borders through violence, and allow men in power to use violence around the world to further our so-called American (corporate) “interests.” The gun, not the eagle, is our true national symbol. While other countries have more violent pasts (Germany, Japan), more guns per capita in their homes (Canada [mostly hunting guns]), and the kids in most other countries watch the same violent movies and play the same violent video games that our kids play, no one even comes close to killing as many of its own citizens on a daily basis as we do — and yet we don’t seem to want to ask ourselves this simple question: “Why us? What is it about US?” Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white males. None of them are committed by the majority gender, women. Hmmm, why is that? Even when 90% of the American public calls for stronger gun laws, Congress refuses — and then we the people refuse to remove them from office. So the onus is on us, all of us. We won’t pass the necessary laws, but more importantly we won’t consider why this happens here all the time. When the NRA says, “Guns don’t kill people — people kill people,” they’ve got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: “Guns don’t kill people — Americans kill people.” Enjoy the rest of your day, and rest assured this will all happen again very soon.

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You have to hand it to the liberals: they never miss an opportunity to convert tragedy into political gain. In the wake of Elliot Rodger’s six murders–three with a knife and three with a gun, plus injuries inflicted with an automobile–they are calling, once again, for gun confiscation. I guess they are, anyway. As usual, they denounce conservatives and say things like “end the madness,” but confiscation seems to be the point of it all.

Once again, though, liberals are denied the holy grail of mass murderers–a conservative perpetrator, preferably a follower of the Tea Party. Rodger, like most of the others, was a devoted liberal. He followed the Young Turks on YouTube, a far-left group led by a goof named Cenk Uygur who once was an MSNBC host. So, foiled once again, liberals can make only their broader propaganda points…

Beyond that, some might argue that Rodger was a prototypical liberal male, only carried to a pathological extreme. Consider the profile: socially awkward, convinced of his own brilliance but not notably successful in life, hungry for revenge against those who have done better despite their obvious inferiority, eager to gain power over others, but through political influence rather than firearms–is this not a typical liberal on Twitter, or elsewhere on the internet? Or, for that matter, in the Obama administration? Isn’t state power the legal path to the long-awaited revenge of the liberal nerds? This strikes me as a plausible suggestion.

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All serial killers are white men!

Or is it All white men are serial killers!

I forget …

ShainS on May 26, 2014 at 8:03 PM

And in 2001, another rich nut drove his car into a crowd of students at UCSB and killed four of them. I don’t remember any talks about restricting CDL or vehicle ownership.

Blake on May 26, 2014 at 8:05 PM

ShainS on May 26, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Everybody’s a cereal killer now and then. Why, just this morning, I killed a box of Lucky Charms, because they’re marshmallowy delicious…

Newtie and the Beauty on May 26, 2014 at 8:06 PM

Ratso!

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:07 PM

These people are so full of crap it’s unbelievable. The People’s Repulik of Kalifornia has the strictest gun control laws on the books, yet Rodger was able to purchase 3 weapons LEGALLY.

Background checks? Rodger passed THREE.

Will politicians pass stricter laws regarding those with mental health issues?

Yeah. When hell freezes over. In the meantime look for more drivel from Feinstein, King and Martinez. BTW, does Martinez know that the UK and Australia have a higher violent crime rate than the US? Guess it’s okay to kill with a club or knife. Just as long as you don’t use a gun.

GarandFan on May 26, 2014 at 8:09 PM

ELO – Greatest Hits

I should be back shortly, y’all…

Newtie and the Beauty on May 26, 2014 at 8:09 PM

So the state failed to protect its citizens and this is the NRAs fault.
Got it.

Forget gun control, forget knife control, we demand BMW control!

Oh, and if they want to lower the threshold of ‘take away your guns’ to ‘someone is worried’, plan on your enemies making a lot of phone calls, honey.

Tard on May 26, 2014 at 8:09 PM

All serial killers are regular users of psychotic medications.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:10 PM

They will always try to take our guns. Always…..

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:10 PM

See I was right about QOTD.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:10 PM

“The lesson here is that there is not necessarily some magic bullet that is going to stop these mass shootings, though I wish there were,” Mr. Winkler said.

No, you numbskull. The lesson here is that these mass shootings by psychotic individuals, mostly young people, were not happening until recently.

Figure it out.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Irony of the day-

Democrats want more and more laws, but don’t want criminals to be punished for breaking those laws.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:11 PM

They will always try to take our guns. Always…..

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:10 PM

You should give ME your guns so this won’t be a problem. :)

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:12 PM

What kind of knife did he use…?

d1carter on May 26, 2014 at 8:12 PM

The hammer fell today…

donabernathy on May 26, 2014

I’m not going to apologize to say that donabernathy won’t be joining us any more. I rarely do this, as I respect the right of many opinions to be aired. But I’ve been to too many funerals.

Goodbye.

Jazz Shaw on May 26, 2014 at 4:54 PM

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Some creative congressman should introduce a massive amount of bills.

The first should make murder illegal.
The second should make it illegal to commit murder on college campuses.

Maybe come up with 50 of them. Of things that are already illegal.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:14 PM

The hammer fell today…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM

What thread?

Who is this person?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM

“The lesson here is that there is not necessarily some magic bullet that is going to stop these mass shootings, though I wish there were,” Mr. Winkler said.

No, you numbskull. The lesson here is that these mass shootings by psychotic individuals, mostly LIBERAL young people, were not happening until recently.

Figure. It. Out.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2014 at 8:11 PM

fIXED

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM

I didn’t even know Jazz had hammer authority. I’ve never seen him use it. Must have been bad.

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Michael Moore…will this man’s fifteen minutes never end?

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM

What thread?

Who is this person?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM

He was saying things that were in really poor taste on the Memorial Day thread.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Michael Moore…will this man’s fifteen minutes never end?

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

One of the most disgusting pieces of crap I know of.

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:19 PM

If they’re into gun free zones, they should start with the President. No guns, no secret services, no escorts, no protective barriers, no bodyguards.

MrX on May 26, 2014 at 8:19 PM

This just in:

Don Abernathy is still rolling on the floor laughing…

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM

and yet we don’t seem to want to ask ourselves this simple question: “Why us? What is it about US?” Nearly all of our mass shootings are by angry or disturbed white LIBERAL males. None of them are committed by the majority gender, women. Hmmm, why is that? Even when 90% of the American public calls for stronger gun laws, Congress refuses — and then we the people refuse to remove them from office. So the onus is on us, all of us. We won’t pass the necessary laws, but more importantly we won’t consider why this happens here all the time. When the NRA says, “Guns don’t kill people — people kill people,” they’ve got it half-right. Except I would amend it to this: “Guns don’t kill people — Americans Young American LIBERALS kill people.” Enjoy the rest of your day, and rest assured this will all happen again very soon.

The irony is thick.

Cleombrotus on May 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:19 PM

He really is. The need to start putting trigger warnings on it when the quote the man.

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Michael Moore…will this man’s fifteen minutes never end?

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Donuts don’t Kill people, Michael Moore ate them all.

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 8:22 PM

What thread?

Who is this person?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Memorial Day thread.
He is a Paultard…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Don Abernathy is still rolling on the floor laughing…

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM

That used to really get on my nerves! Every damned post.

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:23 PM

MeanWhile,………………………………

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/clearwater-fl-us/

Clearwater, FL, US

crime & courts
9m
Photo: Police cars in Clearwater, Fla., after a reported shooting – @zoemichaelaaa
see original on twitter.com
=============================

crime & courts
20m
Clearwater, Fla., police confirm 3 separate shooting scenes at Clearwater Beach – @WFLA
Read more on t.co

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Back in a few, folks….

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Note: the UK is experiencing an epidemic of knife crime, and is moving on to banning the public carrying of knives.

Count to 10 on May 26, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Rodger played his psychosis to the media, both social and professional, and they, like you, are rewarding him for it. As long as nutbars know they’ll have infamy, that’s all they need. McVeigh never used a gun, 3 of Rodger’s victims were knifed. Once again, its not about guns (heck, a concealed carry might have stopped it…but its California…)

Skip2014 on May 26, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Back in a few, folks….

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Hurry back, darlin’

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Nice thread Allah.

It’s good to know I can come here for unrebutted and unrefuted Liberal Talking Points on Gun Control….

The guy was a Liberal Hollywood Nut who hated every race but arguably his own….

I look at him and absolutely see the stereotypical NRA member.

With friends like you and Chrispy Chreme voting straight ticket D is gonna be a pleasure.

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Memorial Day thread.
He is a Paultard…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Saw that. He was a bit more intense than your regular troll.

And verbose to boot.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:27 PM

He was saying things that were in really poor taste on the Memorial Day thread.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Indeed.

Nasty fellow.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:29 PM

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Saw that. He was a bit more intense than your regular troll.

And verbose to boot.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:27 PM

I wouldn’t really use the word troll to describe don…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:29 PM

You can’t even have a lockback knife in the UK.

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:29 PM

I won’t miss him…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Btw: Since Friday Lubbock has gotten something like…7 inches of rain.
THANK YOU GOD!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Nor will I.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Btw: Since Friday Lubbock has gotten something like…7 inches of rain.
THANK YOU GOD!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Yep I love answered prayers…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:31 PM

I suppose this is off topic but I am on page 106 of 141 of Rodgers’ “manifesto”. The kid is incredibly long-winded and so far it’s just his life’s story. If it’s all true the kid has/had amazing recall.

At the risk of being unpopular AND if he’d just taken himself out instead of all those other people, I find him at page 106 anyway, sad and pitiable.

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM

This killer stabbed to death half of the people he killed. Parents of one of his stabbing victims speak out and say their son wanted to move out of the apartment soon because of Elliott’s weird behavior:
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Weihan-David-Wang-Wanted-to-Move-Out-of-Isla-Vista-Apartment-With-Elliot-Rodger-Parents-260674901.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_BAYBrand

Very sad.

bluegill on May 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Can you give us a link please?

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Btw: Since Friday Lubbock has gotten something like…7 inches of rain.
THANK YOU GOD!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Did you save any of it. People used to have cisterns in the old days.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Nor will I.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Me Neither.

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

I give up… I surrender. Please, Mr. President, take out your phone and your pen, and hand down an executive order declaring possession of a firearm by a private citizen is a felony, punishable by 20 years in prison.

To quote a man quoted on Sipsey Street Irregulars, let’s get this over with while I am still young enough to march in a victory parade down Pennsylvania Avenue…

Let’s Advance The Discussion

PointnClick on May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Btw: Since Friday Lubbock has gotten something like…7 inches of rain.
THANK YOU GOD!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:30 PM

ALT: You reminded me, its active across North America:)

http://www.news9.com/category/167025/weather-storm-tracker

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Judge, are you going to miss donabernathy? I know you are a very long term lurker…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM

With friends like you and Chrispy Chreme voting straight ticket D is gonna be a pleasure.

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:27 PM

welcome to the dark side. we have cookies.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Did you save any of it. People used to have cisterns in the old days.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Didn’t that help breed skeeters?

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Very sad.

bluegill on May 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

to get to 7 victims the media includes him…

so that’s six he killed 3 roommates at a mental health facility with a knife likely in their sleep…

the media says he shot 6 people…

He ran down two in a car killing one IIRC so that leaves two victims murdered by gun….

or as we call it 7:35 pm in Chicago…

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

I wonder where some of these lies about gun laws come from. I am a new owner of a firearm because it looks more and more likely that the left and it obvious lean to tyranny scares me. I know that they want to take away my rights (2nd amendment is the starting point just like Hitler and Stalin and Mao.) I am still trying to find more guns before the left finds a way to take them. THANK GOD FOR THE NRA.
I have been to several gun shows and have yet to see some one buy a gun that isn’t checked, wont say it isn’t happening but even the NRA is for background checks.If guns were so dangerous there would be nothing but dead bodies at gun shows.
I know that those that preach gun control like Fienstien has admitted carrying a gun for protection. They are all hypocrites even that hole Bloomberg has a protection staff to protect him. That way he doesn’t become a victim of the knock out game.
Back to the lies in this article, almost all of the mass killing in this country are in no gun zones and while Australia may have taken away the guns and put a temporary stop to mass killings, if the fact are correct ( I see intentionally push polls that tell lies just like in this country where we have not had a true unemployment figure in years. Truth is crime has risen geometrically in Australia. Take away people right to defend themselves and you take their right to life away.

pwb on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Okay, back…did anyone do anything special today? Parades? Concerts? Cookouts?

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

welcome to the dark side. we have cookies.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

If voting GOP means I get donk governance why not just vote Donk?

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Meanwhile, over a five-year period Barky has killed an estimated 2400 individuals (both civilians and combatants) with drone strikes.

Leftist screeching in 0 .. 0 .. 0 …

ShainS on May 26, 2014 at 8:37 PM

In case anyone missed this:

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/colorado-mudslide-may-25-2014/

Colorado mudslide May 25, 2014

Mesa, CO, US
3h
3 men missing in Colorado mudslide believed to be local residents who went to the area to check on their irrigation water that had been disrupted – @DenverChannel
Read more on thedenverchannel.com
=================================

Colorado, US
18h
Colorado mudslide estimated to be 4 miles long, 2 miles wide and 250 feet deep – @*nnbrk
Read more on www.*nn.com

canopfor on May 26, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Okay, back…did anyone do anything special today? Parades? Concerts? Cookouts?

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Not us. Well we did get the AC going…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:38 PM

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Nope. I joked that now that we’ve gotten all this rain that’ll be it for the summer. *It won’t be.*

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Judge, are you going to miss donabernathy? I know you are a very long term lurker…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM

I know you aren’t addressing me, but a lot of what he posted was straight copypastad from somewhere else and not cited or linked.

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Can you give us a link please?

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:33 PM

It’s a LONG read Omaha. I recommend you do it in chunks. What’s sad is the kid felt he had no place to turn. No one he could really confide in. If he’d just learned a musical instrument or had access to a professional psychologist this might not have happened. I mention the musical instrument but you’d have to read the whole thing to understand why I say that.

But here it is:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225960813/Elliot-Rodger-Santa-Barbara-mass-shooting-suspect-My-Twisted-World-manifesto

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

only if the person is admitted to a mental health facility on a so-called 5150

They can take your guns just for listening to a Van Hagar album?

Bishop on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

It was not a ‘slaughter’: it was a premeditated attack with intent to kill.

The killer told us as much ahead of time.

And started with a knife to kill his housemates in his apartment.

Amendment II is there to allow us to keep and bear arms against man turned savage against his fellow man and to protect ourselves and our society from savagery. Savage man only knows the Law of Nature and it is red of tooth and claw, and once unleashed there is no turning back for that individual. Once someone who was civilized turns to savagery against his fellow man, then he has betrayed our trust in him to act in a civil manner.

This can happen at any time or place, there is no telling when it can happen and there is no stopping that change as it is willful by an individual to do so. We can only protect ourselves from savage man, and no police force, no army, no number of bureaucrats can protect any single person from man turned savage with intent to kill others.

The killer became man the animal, no longer civilized by choice.

Restricting the Natural right of arms for the positive use of self-defense leaves individuals open prey to savagery. Nature is not in the wilderness but within each and every one of us, and a savage cares not for laws or even punishment when it was someone once civilized turned to slaughter. The face of Nature hides within us and it is being civilized that keeps it in place and tamed… yet this is no guarantee that others will not become savage. Those seeking to disarm the civil population seek to open it to internal terror because there is no stopping a savage from slaughtering at will. Unable to fight back man who was once civilized is then just subject to power and becomes prey.

ajacksonian on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

What kind of knife did he use…?

d1carter on May 26, 2014 at 8:12 PM


An ASSAULT knife!

Tard on May 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

A few days ago I thought that my name had been changed to ‘Twerp-the human pin cushion’.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:40 PM

I know you aren’t addressing me, but a lot of what he posted was straight copypastad from somewhere else and not cited or linked.

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Doesn’t surprise my in the least, murph.
BTW, did you get any of these storms down there?

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I watched his vid, and I read his manifesto…

he was under Psychiatric care and had been interviewed by LE.

He planned this over the course of a year and postponed it on 24 Apr b/c he had a cold and likely knew he couldn’t kill his roomies at less than full strength.

This is not Asperger’s and it is not “White Male Rage Syndrome” this is a classic Narcissistic Personality Explosion b/c his own valuation of his traits was wildly at odds with his peer group’s assessment of his traits.

You can expect to see more of this type of antic as Generation participation trophy has to start navigating an artificially barren economic landscape they in many cases voted for.

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Didn’t that help breed skeeters?

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Sometimes they were in the ground. Or you get a barrel and close it off except where the water comes in. Some of them are quite sophisticated and set up for watering plants. I just put a bucket under the down spout. I could put a piece of screen over it. Usually I just dump it out if I see little wigglys in it. It rains quite a lot here and if I have to use the well water it isn’t going to cost me any more. But if I lived in the dry west I would set up to save rain water. I have no sympathy for people who let all that rain water rush down the LA river into the sea.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

welcome to the dark side. we have cookies.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

I wouldn’t call it the dark side.

More like the dim side.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Thanks Cranky. Have my great uncle’s picture with a shot of Scotch out all day. Killed Oct. 3, 1918. Every Memorial Day and Nov. 11. Glad I stayed away from the thread.

rbj on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

they were so proud of those laws in CA too and yet…they failed just as most of us knew they would.
a crazy bastard will kill with anything. imagine the uproar if he had killed as many with a knife and also injured many with a car….oh yeah…thats overlooked because GUNZ-R-EVIL

dmacleo on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Thanks…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM

How long before Obama pimps out a very willing Martinez to skewer Republicans at some Senate hearing or something??? Ca already has extremely strict gun laws and they don’t seem to work to good when somebody doesn’t heed them.

Southernblogger on May 26, 2014 at 8:43 PM

I watched his vid, and I read his manifesto…

he was under Psychiatric care and had been interviewed by LE.

He planned this over the course of a year and postponed it on 24 Apr b/c he had a cold and likely knew he couldn’t kill his roomies at less than full strength.

This is not Asperger’s and it is not “White Male Rage Syndrome” this is a classic Narcissistic Personality Explosion b/c his own valuation of his traits was wildly at odds with his peer group’s assessment of his traits.

You can expect to see more of this type of antic as Generation participation trophy has to start navigating an artificially barren economic landscape they in many cases voted for.

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

He was on psych meds, wasn’t he?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Laws stop crime, you guys.

Everyone knows that.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM

They can take your guns just for listening to a Van Hagar album?

Bishop on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Maybe…it’s hard to get a 5150 to stick when LE decides that a kid with a good Beemer and rich daddy may be too much to handle…

so he was in a sorta mental hygiene 1/2 way house….

and now since a Half Brit Half Indonesian child of liberal activist hollywood types got his Charles Whitman on on a smaller scale I get to worry about the Idiot Political class trying to disarm me from an ability to protect myself from the little timebombs they render on the US from the education system

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Judge, are you going to miss donabernathy? I know you are a very long term lurker…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM

I know the name but honestly I don’t remember anything he said before. If he was a Paulbot I don’t recall. Truth be known, the vast majority of people I’d miss are the regulars right here on QOTD. I’m sure there are others, but I cannot off the top of my head think of them. KochForBrains is pretty entertaining.

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

BTW, did you get any of these storms down there?

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Had a quick hard rain blow thru at first pitch time. Delayed the Redbirds Yankees game a bit. Also bumped the humidity back up because it isn’t allowed to dip below 50% till at least Halloween.

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

ajacksonian on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

If the roommates had had weapons of some sort they wouldn’t be dead.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

I dread the day when I go to buy another firearm-and find out that a new question has been added to the ‘insta-check’: Have you ever been diagnosed with an autistic-spectrum disorder. You KNOW that the liberals would love for that question to be added on.
Autism doesn’t make people kill.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM

What!? Murder isn’t ‘illegal’. It’s in the 7 commandments thingy, therefore it doesn’t count.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM

He was on psych meds, wasn’t he?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Almost certainly…you don’t get a room at his address w/out being on some form of cocktail…

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM

welcome to the dark side. we have cookies.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 26, 2014 at 8:36 PM

How’s your brain on Tom Steyer??

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM

PointnClick on May 26, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Hey P&C, I read PigTrap-
Great read!

bazil9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:47 PM

If the roommates had had weapons of some sort they wouldn’t be dead.

crankyoldlady on May 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

And the rest of the folks would be alive as well.

VegasRick on May 26, 2014 at 8:48 PM

only if the person is admitted to a mental health facility on a so-called 5150

They can take your guns just for listening to a Van Hagar album?

Bishop on May 26, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Not sure….but a Dio album? DEFINITELY.

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Murphy9 on May 26, 2014 at 8:45 PM

That sucks. I just hate the humidity…

OmahaConservative on May 26, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Almost certainly…you don’t get a room at his address w/out being on some form of cocktail…

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM

It’s amazing that they continue to use these mind-altering drugs to try to fix people.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:49 PM

He was on psych meds, wasn’t he?

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Pretty much guaranteed. Seems like these folks are almost always on some happy meds which begs the question of what are they prescribing?? Psycho drugs??

Southernblogger on May 26, 2014 at 8:50 PM

And the rest of the folks would be alive as well.

VegasRick on May 26, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Even had he killed the roomies someone would have called the cops if he had to use a gun…

of course it is not like he was not waving a platoon’s worth of red flags to LE is it?

My son engages in petty mischief at a park and there are twelve investigators there in a flash…this kid gets dimed by his rich dad and walks.

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Don Abernathy is still rolling on the floor laughing…

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM

That used to really get on my nerves! Every damned post.

KCB on May 26, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Yup, every DAMNED one.

ToddPA on May 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

w: Since Friday Lubbock has gotten something like…7 inches of rain. THANK YOU GOD! annoyinglittletwerp on May 26, 2014 at 8:30 Pm

You/we might get more.

Hurricane falling apart,, heading our way.

wolly4321 on May 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

BB: Maybe ‘fix’ is not quite the word you’re looking for.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

What!? Murder isn’t ‘illegal’. It’s in the 7 commandments thingy, therefore it doesn’t count.

DemetriusPhalerum on May 26, 2014 at 8:46 PM

If it were illegal, this guy wouldn’t have done this.

People don’t do things that are illegal.

Ever.

Bigbullets on May 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

I watched his vid, and I read his manifesto…

he was under Psychiatric care and had been interviewed by LE.

He planned this over the course of a year and postponed it on 24 Apr b/c he had a cold and likely knew he couldn’t kill his roomies at less than full strength.

This is not Asperger’s and it is not “White Male Rage Syndrome” this is a classic Narcissistic Personality Explosion b/c his own valuation of his traits was wildly at odds with his peer group’s assessment of his traits.

You can expect to see more of this type of antic as Generation participation trophy has to start navigating an artificially barren economic landscape they in many cases voted for.

harlekwin15 on May 26, 2014 at 8:42 PM

I have not progressed that far I guess. I’m at the part where he’s at SBCC and he’s just cancelled all his classes and lost his last and probably only true friend, James Ellis.

As far as that Assburgers goes, I don’t buy any of that junk. Annoyingtwerp has it and I’ve seen no evidence of her going off the deep end. Hell, she had a husband for God’s sake. This entire situation appears to have happened because he couldn’t get laid. It seems to me after reading as much as I have is the kid wanted a BMW girlfriend on a Chrysler K-car salary.

Judge_Dredd on May 26, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Bread – Mother Freedom

lineholder on May 26, 2014 at 8:52 PM

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