Open Thread: The Isla Vista shooting

posted at 2:01 pm on May 25, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

There has been some rumbling in the comments section about why we haven’t had a thread on the California shooting this weekend. It’s not exactly the sort of thing I was looking forward to covering on Memorial Day weekend, but feel free to dissect it yourself in the comments.

What we know so far: Some maniac went on a stabbing and shooting spree. Seven are dead, including the shooter: three from knife wounds, four from gunshots. More than a dozen others are injured, either from gunfire or vehicular assault. The assaults took place at multiple locations in the same community near the college.

What we think we know: It is assumed (and alleged) that the shooter is Elliot Rodger, age 22, in the vicinity of UCSB. Given that he released a lengthy 141-page manifesto detailing his plans and “reasons” as well as a YouTube video shortly before the attacks, it’s a pretty good bet that they’ve got the right guy and he’s already at room temperature, most likely from a self-inflicted wound.

The reasons I didn’t originally move to cover this story are several, beyond it just being a depressing story on a solemn, holiday weekend. This tragedy doesn’t have much of a gun control angle to it. The alleged shooter – I’m going to stop using “alleged” after this, given the circumstances – purchased all of his hardware legally, and no gun control measures currently on the books or being realistically considered would have prevented it. (Unless, of course, you’re talking about a complete national ban on handguns, and I don’t think we’ve slid that far down the road to anarchy just yet.)

And yes, I saw the video footage (repeatedly) of the father of one of the victims blaming the NRA and congress for the death of his son. I was also not of a mind to spend the day fact checking or haranguing a man who just lost his child. He’s struck with grief and lashing out. If he chooses to later allow the Left to make him some sort of poster boy for gun control and puts himself on the playing field, we can revisit the subject. But for the time being, he’s just another victim as far as I’m concerned.

But it’s certainly a newsworthy subject, so you’re invited to examine it here at your leisure.


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My old stomping grounds. Very sad. Very tragic…

JohnGalt23 on May 25, 2014 at 2:04 PM

About 10 years ago, some rich kid at UCSB plowed into a crowd and killed four people. No one called for the ban of vehicles.

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Jazz needs to link to other articles more like Allahpundit does. Allahpundit’s articles always seem better sourced.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Blame guns, guns, guns, inanimate objects.

Never blame a narcissist, a spoiled brat, and his stupid parents, and the moronic cops who “found him polite” and left, after all the warning.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Leftists are once again feeding on carrion, as they always do.

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2014 at 2:06 PM

The number one issue here is neurodevelopmental disorders like autism/Asperger’s and how they’re treated.

These incidents are rare, but I think that disorder is at the heart of this.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Jazz needs to link to other articles more like Allahpundit does. Allahpundit’s articles always seem better sourced.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Jazz is really getting it this week. lol

coolrepublica on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Can we ban nonpartisan before it even shows up here with it insane rambling nonsense?

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Ah-ha! Sarah Palin is advertised on this page, so I know it’s her fault.

SouthernGent on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Please change the headline to “The Isla Vista Murder Spree” You’re just adding to the liberal narrative when you use their language. Just as many people died from stabbing wounds as were shot.

Mitoch55 on May 25, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Another mass murder in a another “gun free” zone.

It Bush’s fault.

patch on May 25, 2014 at 2:09 PM

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Jazz is really getting it this week. lol

coolrepublica on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Whether on the right or left, some people just cannot stand to hear any view point other than their own. Jazz is a mostly harmless moderate. He has some pretty goofy idea’s, but is generally actually a good fellow.

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

but I thought mass shootings only occurred in gun-free zones?!

nonpartisan on April 2, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

This tragedy doesn’t have much of a gun control angle to it.

Somebody hasn’t been on the NJ Gun Control thread…

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

The number one issue here is neurodevelopmental disorders like autism/Asperger’s and how they’re treated.

These incidents are rare, but I think that disorder is at the heart of this.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Nope. Nice try, though. You clearly know nothing about Asperger’s. I know half a dozen people with the disorder, and none of them have committed mass murder. This kid was “hearing voices” which most likely indicates schizophrenia.

JannyMae on May 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Lat’s ban maniacs.

trigon on May 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Jazz needs to link to other articles more like Allahpundit does. Allahpundit’s articles always seem better sourced.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:05 PM

You just can’t help it, can you?

KCB on May 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Let’s . Gee.

trigon on May 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Please change the headline to “The Isla Vista Murder Spree” You’re just adding to the liberal narrative when you use their language. Just as many people died from stabbing wounds as were shot.

Mitoch55 on May 25, 2014 at 2:08 PM

How about “The Botched Isla Vista Murder Spree”?

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Just finished a lengthy article by CNN, describing the shooter’s parents and their actions. It talked about them calling therapists, police, reading the manifesto, and calling police. Yet no where did it mention they physically visited their disturbed son or called. That’s the most disturbing thing I saw. There seems to be less and less human to human contact today, and it’s turning people into animals. Technology is making us lazy and self centered as a culture, and parents are using that to raise their kids because they fear retaliation from their spoiled brats.

Xanatos90 on May 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Whoops! Didn’t see that he had changed it already. Sob, when bad jokes go wrong…

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

The number one issue here is neurodevelopmental disorders like autism/Asperger’s and how they’re treated.

These incidents are rare, but I think that disorder is at the heart of this.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

More likely, some Special Snowflake was never taught how to handle “No,” “Bug off” and “He!! No!” or other types of rejection in mature, healthy ways.

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 2:15 PM

Just finished a lengthy article by CNN, describing the shooter’s parents and their actions. It talked about them calling therapists, police, reading the manifesto, and calling police. Yet no where did it mention they physically visited their disturbed son or called. That’s the most disturbing thing I saw. There seems to be less and less human to human contact today, and it’s turning people into animals. Technology is making us lazy and self centered as a culture, and parents are using that to raise their kids because they fear retaliation from their spoiled brats.

Xanatos90 on May 25, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I wouldn’t assume that we know all the facts. For some reason, I got the impression the kid went home a lot since he only lived in Calabasas.

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 2:16 PM

They may have been afraid of him, too. They had another kid to protect.

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 2:17 PM

How about the immigration laws…..if enforced could they have prevented this mass Murder ?

After all, if the left wants to play prevention and reach for new laws, we can do the same.

JayTee on May 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

“The Isla Vista shooting?”

OK, HotAir. 3 shot dead. 3 stabbed to death. Yeah, let’s just go ahead and call it a shooting.

Rational Thought on May 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

On Elliott’s father’s photography page, there are photos (declothed) of his 22 year old stepmother. http://www.rodgerpictures.com/#!/portfolio/G0000FDyJy6_MOJY

This seems to me to be a quite dysfunctional typical Hollywood family.

So 21 year old Elliott is socially inept and can’t get a girlfriend and his father is publicizing cheeky photos of the new mom, a “woman” 1 year older than his son. If you’d been stewing in those kind of juices for your whole life, you’ll be pretty screwed up.

The movie writes itself.

Unfortunately for the victims, it’s not fake blood and squibs, it’s actual death and they don’t get up and go to the cast party after they’ve cleaned off.

vityas on May 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

You’re right, just had the urge to rant about how f’d up out society and culture had become. The concept of family is being destroyed by the left, and it’s causing so many problems.

Xanatos90 on May 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

What is it about the left that makes them so prone to deadly violence? Should we seriously be seeking a ban on left thinking? You knew, for the children.

traye on May 25, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Just let this be a lesson for you. If we reject Obama’s Imperial Presidency for Life like this, it could get very bad.

Joseph OHenry on May 25, 2014 at 2:24 PM

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

None of us should want government going too far down this path of defining “mental illness”.

If physicians want to review best practices based on evidence, that’s one thing. But having government’s power hungry mitts on it…no, no, and NO!!

lineholder on May 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM

lineholder on May 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Agreed.

KCB on May 25, 2014 at 2:27 PM

vityas on May 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Those photos are odd. They aren’t works of art, but clearly fetish photos involving exhibitionism and his wife’s rear.

NotCoach on May 25, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Somebody hasn’t been on the NJ Gun Control thread…

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

From said thread:

ALL guns should be banned

nonpartisan on May 25, 2014 at 11:23 AM
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How are you going to get criminals to go along with this ban?

ladyingray on May 25, 2014 at 1:48 PM

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PSAs

NotCoach on May 25, 2014 at 1:50 PM

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Or “Gun Free Zone” signs, posted everywhere . . . . . like that restaurant that got robbed recently.

listens2glenn on May 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM

ladyingray on May 25, 2014 at 2:30 PM

None of us should want government going too far down this path of defining “mental illness”.

If physicians want to review best practices based on evidence, that’s one thing. But having government’s power hungry mitts on it…no, no, and NO!!

lineholder on May 25, 2014 at 2:25 PM

exactly, Nazi Germany used the “mental health” canard to murder some 5 million people they designated, not intelligent enough to live. The Soviet’s under Stalin routinely used it as an excuse to pack dissenters off to the gulags in Siberia, where the average life span was 2 years.

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:31 PM

These incidents are rare, but I think that disorder is at the heart of this.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Having read his “manifesto”, I’m leaning towards sociopath. Aspergers just doesn’t fit that little bastard.

Wendya on May 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

He loved guns and hated women. He must be a republican- DERP!

War on women!

tdarrington on May 25, 2014 at 2:33 PM

As John Adams said (paraphrased): “This Constitution was created for a moral, religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”

As we become less of a Judeo-Christian nation, the ramifications of that show up more and more. But G__ forbid we should teach children the 10 Commandments or the Gospel of Christ and the book on which this nation was founded!

Sad indeed!

Christian Conservative on May 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Ginormous facepalm. Victims father blames NRA.

HEY idiot. The punk was a rich Hollywood directors son who played violent video games non stop and was a self immersed spoiled brat.

SparkPlug on May 25, 2014 at 2:37 PM

How about the immigration laws…..if enforced could they have prevented this mass Murder ?

After all, if the left wants to play prevention and reach for new laws, we can do the same.

JayTee on May 25, 2014 at 2:19 PM

He came here from England with his father when he was five, and his father was an extremely public person. I suspect they followed immigration law.

alchemist19 on May 25, 2014 at 2:37 PM

So 21 year old Elliott is socially inept and can’t get a girlfriend and his father is publicizing cheeky photos of the new mom, a “woman” 1 year older than his son.

vityas on May 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Actually, she’s 18 years older than Elliot. She’s the only “parent” who attempted to set any limits on his behavior.

Wendya on May 25, 2014 at 2:39 PM

The number one issue here is neurodevelopmental disorders like autism/Asperger’s and how they’re treated.

These incidents are rare, but I think that disorder is at the heart of this.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

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Should we “register” persons with ASD/Aspergers, and ban them from legally possessing a firearm?
That would have to include myself.
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None of the victims, or other innocent people within proximity to this crime, were prepared or equipped to deal with or otherwise stop such a person.
THAT’S the problem … too many candy-assed, disarmed, incapable, human “sheeple,” in today’s America.
Too many American “sheeple” citizens who believe it’s the governments job to shepher . . . . . I mean protect them … keep them safe.

listens2glenn on May 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

And yes, I saw the video footage (repeatedly) of the father of one of the victims blaming the NRA and congress for the death of his son.

Riiiiight…sounds suspicious.

This also the second time that a mass murder at the hands of a director’s son has occurred there, the first time around fifteen years ago (the first time was with a car).

I’m leaning towards this one being a hoax.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Nobody around was armed so they could shoot the little bastard.

It’s that simple, isn’t it?

wolly4321 on May 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Sorry to call victims father an idiot. He is grieving and just lashing out.

SparkPlug on May 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

Six Absolutely Shocking Details From Suspected Santa Barbara Shooter’s 141-Page Manifesto

If you read it, it doesn’t sound like Asperger, or schizoaffective disorder.

More like a misogynist and megalomaniac who resents the fact that the rest of the world doesn’t recognize his “magnificence”, a term he applies to himself several times.

He also wanted to dispose of the female half of the human race by a methods that were a cross between Auschwitz and Margaret Atwood’s The Handmaid’s Tale. With some elements of Suzy McKee Charnas’ Walk To the End of the World.

He was a narcissist who couldn’t understand why everyone outside of his family and their circle of inside-track Hollywood friends didn’t think he was marvelous.

Rather than assessing himself honestly, he decided to take revenge on the world for not worshiping him.

He hits most of the indicators for a spree or serial killer in the “manifesto”, but since he hadn’t committed an actual crime, the police couldn’t even have him put under psychiatric observation after he posted his numerous and violent YouTube items.

He wasn’t obsessed with guns- just with violence in general, at roughly the levels of the average massacre during the Thirty Years’ war. I suspect he and Gilles de Rais would have a had a lot in common.

Not to mention Ernst Rohm. His “ideal state of men only” sounds very much like Rohm’s Sturmabteilung, which I would point out was almost entirely homosexual due to Rohm’s choice of personnel, which was based on his own homosexuality. This one may have been a repressed gay, but I don’t insist on it- draw your own conclusions based on his “testimony”.

What is fairly obvious is that as at least an associate member of the Hollywood elite’, he was treated as a precious snowflake by his parents and their circle. When the rest of the world didn’t agree, he decided to teach the world a lesson.

He was the one who needed a lesson or two. His parents should have seen to it he got them. They didn’t.

I assume “blaming the NRA” trumps admitting fault, in their worldview.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 25, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Can we ban nonpartisan before it even shows up here with it insane rambling nonsense?

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Why not shoot off an email to your buddy Ed?

DarkCurrent on May 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

The number one issue here is neurodevelopmental disorders like autism/Asperger’s and how they’re treated.

These incidents are rare, but I think that disorder is at the heart of this.

bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Nope. Nice try, though. You clearly know nothing about Asperger’s. I know half a dozen people with the disorder, and none of them have committed mass murder. This kid was “hearing voices” which most likely indicates schizophrenia.

JannyMae on May 25, 2014 at 2:12 PM

I’m interested in our own a. l. twerp’s take on it. My limited experience makes me a bit shocked that an Aspie would be involved in such mass murder. They’re more Sheldon on Big Bang, Martin on Doc Martin, or Raymond in Rain Man.

LashRambo on May 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Sorry to call victims father an idiot. He is grieving and just lashing out.

SparkPlug on May 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

As I use3d to say about using drugs. Using drugs doesn’t turn you into a scum of the earth dirt bag, they don’t change you at all, they just show the whole world what you really are like on the inside. Same with grieving, he isn’t lashing out and acting like an idiot because he is grieving, he’s lashing out and acting like an idiot, because deep down inside, that is what he is.

Remember, the true mark of a mans character isn’t what he does when everything is going his way, it’s how he handles adversity, it’s what he does when he is certain he wont get caught for doing it.

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

As John Adams said (paraphrased):

“This Constitution was created for a moral, religious people. It is wholly inadequate for any other.”

Christian Conservative on May 25, 2014 at 2:36 PM

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That John Adams’ quote cannot be repeated too many times.

It’s impossible to “wear-it-out”.
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The legacy of the 1970s “severely vacuums”, and this is what we’re left with.

listens2glenn on May 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Why not shoot off an email to your buddy Ed?

DarkCurrent on May 25, 2014 at 2:44 PM

a) that was snark and b) I’m pretty sure that’s your department.

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:48 PM

eon on May 25, 2014 at 2:43 PM

Schizoaffective with a splash of narcissistic personality disorder thrown in too, and I’ve only made it through the first two of those six excerpts.

alchemist19 on May 25, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Sorry to call victims father an idiot. He is grieving and just lashing out.

SparkPlug on May 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

It’s tough. He’s grieving and at the same time has an angry political agenda. Don’t you think his judgment is off, railing against guns and the NRA as he’s doing at a time like this? I think it’s best to ignore him. Maybe after a few weeks and he’s still on it, then comment on his political points. But the pain of the loss of a son like that, that’s something completely different, and completely unrelated, whether he thinks it’s related or not.

I think of Sarah Brady, and the congresswoman McCarthy from NY whose husband was murdered.

LashRambo on May 25, 2014 at 2:50 PM

I read that he had 41 ten round magazines. I guess those magazine size limitations really work, huh?

nemecizer on May 25, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Find out what prescription drugs he was on.

huckleberryfriend on May 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Frankly, while I don’t wish the death of a child on anyone, I find it hard to sympathize with a man who instead of being with his family during this time of crisis, gets on a political soapbox and uses it to deride an organization that isn’t one iota responsible for his son’s death.

I mean, if it was my kid that died, I wouldn’t be giving interviews to anyone for a long, long time, let alone get in front of a podium to rant about it a day or so later.

Phoenix7 on May 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

I was suspected of being high functioning aspberger but my rage was key to not getting diagnosed with it.
dunno…suppose its possible for a high functioning (as in barely on the scale of aspbergers) but it doesn’t seem to really fit unless he had secondary charecteristics of other issues.
I would say the asp tie in is pretty tenuous.

dmacleo on May 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

I’m interested in our own a. l. twerp’s take on it. My limited experience makes me a bit shocked that an Aspie would be involved in such mass murder. They’re more Sheldon on Big Bang, Martin on Doc Martin, or Raymond in Rain Man.

LashRambo on May 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

ALT has already chimed in, Lash: here, here and here

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

It’s tough. He’s grieving and at the same time has an angry political agenda. Don’t you think his judgment is off, railing against guns and the NRA as he’s doing at a time like this? I think it’s best to ignore him. Maybe after a few weeks and he’s still on it, then comment on his political points. But the pain of the loss of a son like that, that’s something completely different, and completely unrelated, whether he thinks it’s related or not.

LashRambo on May 25, 2014 at 2:50 PM

I guess he doesn’t care about the three victims that were stabbed to death.

VegasRick on May 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

On Elliott’s father’s photography page, there are photos (declothed) of his 22 year old stepmother. http://www.rodgerpictures.com/#!/portfolio/G0000FDyJy6_MOJY

This seems to me to be a quite dysfunctional typical Hollywood family.

So 21 year old Elliott is socially inept and can’t get a girlfriend and his father is publicizing cheeky photos of the new mom, a “woman” 1 year older than his son. If you’d been stewing in those kind of juices for your whole life, you’ll be pretty screwed up.

The movie writes itself.

Unfortunately for the victims, it’s not fake blood and squibs, it’s actual death and they don’t get up and go to the cast party after they’ve cleaned off.

vityas on May 25, 2014 at 2:21 PM

It was a terrible mix.
His Apergers made it nearly impossible for him to interact with women normally and his family situation gave him the expectation of having a supermodel for a girlfriend. He never understood normalcy, probably never tried to talk to a normal girl, only model/actress/sorority types. A very unfortunate mix of circumstances.

Most people with Aspergers aren’t violent, but they can’t understand how to relate to people or why people treate them differently. Over a long time this can lead to horrible resentment and violence as it did here and in Sandy Hook. In both cases, the families were trying to get help for their sons but were not able to intervene successfully.

talkingpoints on May 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

I’m calling it that the parents have some significant part of the blame here.

Growing up Hollywood, attending a rich kids school, a cultivated loner personality…..clearly the killer was anti-social with no sense of reality. The reality where students actually have to work jobs and don’t drive around in luxury BMWs whining about how nobody understands them and how much their life sucks.

I’ve read where the killer was high-functioning Asperger’s, was in therapy, and the family had recently called for a welfare check after seeing some of the killer’s posts. But nowhere do I see the family intervening more directly. There are statements that he was bullied “every day of his life” and looking at how much the killer is one of those pajama boy beta males, I’m sure there is some truth that he wasn’t friends with the captain of the football team. Nevertheless, his 140-page manifesto recounts when he wasn’t allowed to go on a ride at an amusement park when he was a child due to height requirements. You don’t build up that kind of hatred of the world overnight and I see no evidence that the family really tried to deal with the situation.

It reminds me of when Creigh Deeds, a politician here in VA, had a son lose it to the point he attacked his father and ultimately killed himself. They blamed it on VA’s mental health laws (with some reasonable truth) but the larger story was that the Deeds family knew that this was a troubled young man for some time before this awful incident. Indicators only help if those closest to the individual don’t willfully ignore them.

Happy Nomad on May 25, 2014 at 2:55 PM

Sounds like the parents completely abandoned this kid. Gave him materialistic love rather than true spiritual love.

Also, the kid was still a virgin at 22? I guess that “Hey baby, my Dad’s a director for the ‘Hunger Games,’ wanna go make out?” pick-up line went nowhere.

Brian in Titletown on May 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM

This was not a mass shooting since 4 of the 6 victims were not murdered with a firearm. His suicide by gun does not count.

By the way the estimated price of his little arsenal was about $4600. Anybody want to guess who gave him the money to buy it?

jerryofva on May 25, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Jazz needs to link to other articles more like Allahpundit does. Allahpundit’s articles always seem better sourced.
bluegill on May 25, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Man…! Tough crowd in here.

anuts on May 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM

LashRambo on May 25, 2014 at 2:47 PM

ALT has already chimed in, Lash: here, here and here

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

I’ve know quiet a few Aspies, yell and scream on occasion yes, but actually hurt someone? they wouldn’t know how.

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Sorry to call victims father an idiot. He is grieving and just lashing out.

SparkPlug on May 25, 2014 at 2:41 PM

People grieve in different ways. I certainly wouldn’t be commenting to the media about the death of my child so soon after his death. Nevertheless, that anti-gun rant didn’t come from grief but from the guy’s political views. Like those despicable Sandy Hook parents, some of the VA Tech victims, or the reprehensible Brady and Giffords/Kelly families. This father is using a tragedy for political posturing. I’m sorry for his loss but I find his politicizing it pretty darned disgusting.

Happy Nomad on May 25, 2014 at 3:02 PM

And yes, I saw the video footage (repeatedly) of the father of one of the victims blaming the NRA and congress for the death of his son. I was also not of a mind to spend the day fact checking or haranguing a man who just lost his child. He’s struck with grief and lashing out.

Perfectly fair. On the other hand — and I have only cursorily scanned this thread and the headlines one — but there seem to be few links to the absolutely creepy video the killer made. It was on the Daily Mail article earlier but seems to have been redacted..

..as it was on You Tube.

The War Planner on May 25, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Sounds like the parents completely abandoned this kid. Gave him materialistic love rather than true spiritual love.

Also, the kid was still a virgin at 22? I guess that “Hey baby, my Dad’s a director for the ‘Hunger Games,’ wanna go make out?” pick-up line went nowhere.

Brian in Titletown on May 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM

It’s a sick society where anyone thinks that being a virgin a 22 is justifiable reason to kill anyone. Let me make this 100 percent perfectly crystal clear, as a former Professional Rock Star, their is not a single damned thing wrong with being a virgin at 22, or 25 or hell even 30.

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 3:03 PM

From reading this guy’s manifesto and watching his video it seemed that he was angry that he couldn’t get a hot blond girl. He said:

I saw lots of guys walking with hot blonde girls on their arms. It fueled me with rage.

What triggered this guy’s anger is White Privilege. White guys are unfairly privileged to have hot White blonde chicks on their arms. This is inherently unfair. Whites need to check their privilege and give up their hot blonde girlfriends to guys who are not privileged to have one. This guy should have taught at Princeton.

antifederalist on May 25, 2014 at 3:04 PM

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 2:59 PM

I always found it easier to teach children how to defuse their frustration before it turned to anger, usually by redirection or, when they were older, talking to them about it and working toward a solution that both of us were comfortable with. The key was to get them to voice their feelings–not always easy but at least it gave us something to work with.

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Remember that scene in Forbidden Planet where Morbius is watching his Krell metal go white hot and melt and he says “My evil self is at that door, and I have no power to stop it!”

There ya have it. Hollywood in a nutshell but before they realize it’s their id conjuring up this monster bent on destroying us.

vityas on May 25, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

..the legend of rogerb lives! Y’ere doin’ the Lord’s work, old son!

The War Planner on May 25, 2014 at 3:06 PM

ALT has already chimed in, Lash: here, here and here

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 2:53 PM

She shares my take that this is out of character for Aspies, who I understand have passion for things, but I just don’t see that their emotional involvement with other PEOPLE would have a level of sophistication or power to even build up into something like this. The shooter/stabber comes across to me, in appearance, as highly narcissistic, a “me, me, me” attitude which again in my limited understanding seems counter to the typical focus of the Aspie, who’s more tied up with objects and hyper-focused on narrow interests.

LashRambo on May 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Sounds like the parents completely abandoned this kid. Gave him materialistic love rather than true spiritual love.

Also, the kid was still a virgin at 22? I guess that “Hey baby, my Dad’s a director for the ‘Hunger Games,’ wanna go make out?” pick-up line went nowhere.

Brian in Titletown on May 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM

From the sound of it he didn’t have the guts to ask a woman out, having already decided for himself that they would reject him so he didn’t try to spare himself the embarrassment he “knew” was coming.

You’re approaching his situation as a rational person would, but that’s not effective when dealing with the mind of a lunatic.

alchemist19 on May 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM

From the lunatic’s manifesto:

I figured this would be the perfect day to attack Isla Vista, but after watching Youtube videos of previous Deltopia parties, I saw that there were way too many cops walking around on such an event.

He needed docile targets, i.e., nobody capable of defending themselves.

Saying that a mass murderer is mentally ill is redundant. The real pattern to these types of attacks is that the attacker has fully embraced the victim/oppressor strategy of the Left. A person who understands self-reliance–the most conservative of all principles–never acts this way.

But the Left will keep ramping up its base while trying to guarantee more unarmed targets. It’s what they do.

Psycroptic on May 25, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Sounds like the parents completely abandoned this kid. Gave him materialistic love rather than true spiritual love.

Also, the kid was still a virgin at 22? I guess that “Hey baby, my Dad’s a director for the ‘Hunger Games,’ wanna go make out?” pick-up line went nowhere.

Brian in Titletown on May 25, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Growing up Hollywood and the narcissistic things that have been quoted from his manifesto, I’m guessing that his standards for conquest were a little higher than the girl everybody describes as having a good personality. The kind of UCSB sorority girl who would laugh at any advances by some effeminate-looking pajama boy. He probably wouldn’t even have had a shot with that kind of girl if his dad was more than just an AD.

It’s a shame though. With a 140-page manifesto and a good editor to fill in the holes with composite characters, the killer had all the material to publish a book about the “audacity of rejection” that could have launched a political career.

Happy Nomad on May 25, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Schadenfreude on May 25, 2014 at 2:10 PM

..the legend of rogerb lives! Y’ere doin’ the Lord’s work, old son!

The War Planner on May 25, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Doing the Lords work? and here I always though Schad was Irving from the Mosquitoes…

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM

This isn’t just some mere “violent outburst” that some of you are saying. “Violent outbursts” would be more akin to a bar fight, road rage, domestic disturbance, etc. This is some serious blood lust and there seems little to no mitigating connection with that and Asperger’s.

Even if we were to accept the premise (which i don’t) that people with Asperger’s have a higher tendency for “violent outbursts” that’s a massive leap to blood lust.

anuts on May 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Remember that scene in Forbidden Planet where Morbius is watching his Krell metal go white hot and melt and he says “My evil self is at that door, and I have no power to stop it!”
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vityas on May 25, 2014 at 3:06 PM

..wasn’t that Joe Crummey’s evil side?

The War Planner on May 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 3:10 PM

..he’s a Hot Gas treasure and all-around good lad!

The War Planner on May 25, 2014 at 3:11 PM

What a weird guy. The problem is, he had no game. I could have taught him some game.

Lame parenting.

Game, dude, game.

WhatSlushfund on May 25, 2014 at 3:11 PM

He grew up in Topanga and attended the public schools there. He also went off and on to the SB City College. Yes his family was wealthy but it appears that his father worked his way up the ladder to achieve his own success.

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Find out what prescription drugs he was on.

huckleberryfriend on May 25, 2014 at 2:52 PM

To Hades with that–whereinell was this kid’s FAMILY in all this? No personal connection? No personal interaction? No face-to-face contact? No verbal communication?

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 3:12 PM

She shares my take that this is out of character for Aspies,

LashRambo on May 25, 2014 at 3:07 PM

I think this line of reasoning is faulty because it makes the assumption that the killer was just high-functioning Asperger’s. Certain traits are more dominant than others but nobody is just an Aspie or just NPD. And if it turns out the killer was on meds for the one, it could well have effected some other part of his personality to take over and/or motive actions.

Happy Nomad on May 25, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Apparently the left-fascists are going on a “not all men” kick.

Their reaction to an entitled special snowflake who thought that people who disagreed with him should shut up, is to tell people who disagree with them to shut up.

ebrown2 on May 25, 2014 at 3:13 PM

He grew up in Topanga and attended the public schools there. He also went off and on to the SB City College. Yes his family was wealthy but it appears that his father worked his way up the ladder to achieve his own success.

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 3:11 PM

So he goes off to a rich kids’ college but, even though his family is wealthy and he drives a very expensive car, doesn’t that just lend itself to the feelings of being an outsider?

Happy Nomad on May 25, 2014 at 3:15 PM

And yes, I saw the video footage (repeatedly) of the father of one of the victims blaming the NRA and congress for the death of his son. I was also not of a mind to spend the day fact checking or haranguing a man who just lost his child. He’s struck with grief and lashing out.

Would you be so charitable if it was you and/or yours he was blaming and attacking and smearing? I doubt it. But then it’s easy to be so very charitable when someone else, and not you, is the victim of attacks and smears.

VorDaj on May 25, 2014 at 3:15 PM

His parents got him therapists, enrolled him in social skills classes, got him a life coach, and appeared to set consistent rules and to be involved in his schooling. His step mother told him to get a job when he turned 18. They monitored his internet activity and notified the police when he appeared to be dangerous.

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Open Thread: The Isla Vista attacks shooting

Fixed, since half of the Isla Vista deaths were not caused by gunfire.

Del Dolemonte on May 25, 2014 at 3:16 PM

First off, my heart goes out to the families and friends of the people killed.

I live in Santa Barbara and am UCSB graduate. We are moonbat central. There will be calls for a total gun ban in California. Count on it. The prog-fascist democrats are already working and slanting the story that way.

Sadly my college has become a pit of the worst kind of moonbattery. This is the school that has a PORN PROFESSOR that assaults teenaged girls. Where the trigger warning originated.

What we have is a progressive film maker’s son, a pervasive leftist atmosphere, and i suspect lots of drugs that the left has fostered on to our children. What will get blame is GUNS!!!1111!!!1elebinty. As noted above we had another leftist’s son kill and maim with his car a few years ago.

Again this proves two things.
1. Leftists should not have guns.
2. A CC person in Isla Vista could have saved a few lives and misery for many.

jukin3 on May 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM

This is really kind of a Liberal thing isn’t it. They probably raised this nutcase to be so androgynous that he couldn’t get sex. Libs cause all problems.

Wasn’t his dad like a hollywood producer or something?

WhatSlushfund on May 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM

OT: Ryan Hunter-Reay just won Indy; Helio Castroneves came in second…

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Open Thread: The Isla Vista attacks shooting

Fixed, since half of the Isla Vista deaths were not caused by gunfire.

Del Dolemonte on May 25, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Yea, could just as easily called it Open Thread: The Isla Vista knife attacks…

oscarwilde on May 25, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Wow, way to be so late to the party, HA. Been having lots of fun stomping on liberal heads in the Hollyweird Reporter disqus threads since yesterday.

Harbingeing on May 25, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Their reaction to an entitled special snowflake who thought that people who disagreed with him should shut up, is to tell people who disagree with them to shut up.

ebrown2 on May 25, 2014 at 3:13 PM

In coming days the left will make the killer into a victim of bullying or the mental health system, or something. Anything to further the idea that a bunch of college kids would still be alive today were it not for that irrational Second Amendment.

Happy Nomad on May 25, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Would you be so charitable if it was you and/or yours he was blaming and attacking and smearing? I doubt it. But then it’s easy to be so very charitable when someone else, and not you, is the victim of attacks and smears.
VorDaj on May 25, 2014 at 3:15 PM

I think the charitable part is in understanding a victim’s desperation and quickness to lash out no matter how misguided their conclusion is and then react accordingly.

anuts on May 25, 2014 at 3:19 PM

OT: Ryan Hunter-Reay just won Indy; Helio Castroneves came in second…

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 3:17 PM

Just a warm up for the real race tonight.

NotCoach on May 25, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Just a warm up for the real race tonight.

NotCoach on May 25, 2014 at 3:19 PM

Yep! Got the set-top box set for that one, too ;-)

Newtie and the Beauty on May 25, 2014 at 3:20 PM

So he goes off to a rich kids’ college but, even though his family is wealthy and he drives a very expensive car, doesn’t that just lend itself to the feelings of being an outsider?

Happy Nomad on May 25, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Santa Barbara City College is not “a rich kids’ college” I suspect he went there because he could not gain admission to anywhere else and it was close to home. A lot of college kids drive expensive cars in California and even in Indiana (I had a friend at IU complaining about it.) He was an outsider because he had no social skills and was obnoxious.

Blake on May 25, 2014 at 3:20 PM

There has been some rumbling in the comments section about why we haven’t had a thread on the California shooting this weekend.

Okay, then. In case the following moron, and self described Harvard Law grad — but not an attorney, shows up on this one…reposting from another gun control headline thread…

Hunters are just a euphimisim for ‘recreational killers’

ALL guns should be banned

nonpartisan on May 25, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Who do their own killing to eat the meat.

Unlike those, like you, who have others do their killing for them. So they, like you, can self-righteously condemn “hunters”. Assembly line slaughter is the civilized way to go. With someone else doing the slaughtering. And the gutting. And the cleaning up of the blood, guts, and bones afterwards, putting the product in nice sanitized packages for everyone else. So they, too, can eat meat without having to engage in euphemisms.

farsighted on May 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM

farsighted on May 25, 2014 at 3:21 PM

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