Mark Cuban and the dangerous trap of truth

posted at 8:31 am on May 24, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Ed touched on this briefly, but Mark Cuban has probably opened up a bigger can of worms than even he could have imagined when he decided to have a rather frank discussion on people’s preconceived notions.

“I mean, we’re all prejudiced in one way or another,” he said. “If I see a black kid in a hoodie and it’s late at night, I’m walking to the other side of the street. And if on that side of the street there’s a guy that has tattoos all over his face – white guy, bald head, tattoos everywhere – I’m walking back to the other side of the street. And the list goes on of stereotypes we all live up to and are fearful of.”

This, of course, set off the usual alarm bells with our nation’s keepers of the watchful flame of racial tensions. Finally they had it on the record. Mark Cuban is obviously a racist! Sure, some of the chief monitors of all thing race card related, such as Travis Waldron at Check Your Privilege Central, were willing to slide a smidgen of credit toward Cuban for admitting he’s a despicable monster, but he still had to ask The Big Question: does he still cross the street?

When CNN’s Don Lemon dared to wonder exactly what it was that Cuban should be apologizing for, he was quickly swatted down by Marc Lamont Hill and Sunny Hostin. Our own Katie Pavlich felt the sting of Mediaite’s hall monitors when she suggested that she might cross the street herself in certain circumstances. Said monitors were also quick to note that Cuban felt compelled to apologize to the family of Trayvon Martin for mentioning the word “hoodie.”

This brings up two questions – one relatively minor and the other having more far reaching implications – which merit attention.

First, and of far less import, is a question of sartorial style. Since when does the entire planet apparently owe a mea culpa to the legacy of Trayvon Martin for saying hoodie? I’ve got news for you.. the rest of the world is still allowed to talk about people wearing hoodies in whatever context they wish. If they are common in high crime areas and you find them unsettling, you are free to be unsettled. (As a startling side note, I have a black hoodie and wear it every spring and fall. It has a graphic of a loon on it – I mean the bird, not Nancy Pelosi – and I find it comfortable. But I’m sure I’m unsettling to a lot of people also.)

But the second, and larger issue here has to do with this fundamental concept of people crossing the street. I was reminded of a rather eerie parallel while reading the interview conducted by Don Lemon which I linked above. For the last couple of years I’ve had to do a lot of traveling in the “deep South” as it’s called – particularly through the Appalachian Mountains – and gotten to know some of these areas pretty well. I’ve learned that once you get outside the clearly defined borders of a couple of cities down there you immediately enter into more mountainous, less populated areas which some natives affectionately refer to as the hollers, or simply, out in the county.

There are, to assign a charitable name, “towns” out in some of these backwaters, populated almost entirely by white people. Small collections of houses and trailers are interrupted by the occasional dimly lit bar with country music blaring out the windows and a collection of bikes and pickup trucks with gun racks and frequent confederate flag NRA (Edit *) bumper stickers in the parking lot. I find myself wondering… if Marc Lamont Hill or Sunny Hostin had the misfortune of encountering car trouble in one of these hamlets and found themselves walking toward a service station past one of these bars where some guys with Duck Dynasty beards were hanging outside swilling Budweisers, would they cross the street? And if so, would that make them racists?

Conversely, we have areas near me, even in the “blue” regions of upstate New York, where what we laughably refer to as “cities” contain neighborhoods which generate a lot of law enforcement issues. The cops are there all the time and the police blotters ring up unseemly numbers of busts for drugs, assaults, prostitution and theft. And, yes, they are almost entirely populated by minorities on any given evening. Then I look at the picture of Travis Waldron, who reminds me somewhat of myself at a younger age, mostly for seeming to have the street cred of a Miracle Whip sandwich on Wonder Bread. If Travis were wandering through one of these neighborhoods on a Saturday night and approaching a group of young black men in hoodies standing on the corner, would he rush up and ask, “Say! Would you fellas like to tip off to Starbucks with me, slip on some pajamas, drink some hot cocoa and rap about the future of race relations in America?”

Or might he cross the street as well? If it was me in that situation, I wouldn’t be crossing the street. I’d be turning around and exiting as quickly as possible because I’d have made a very wrong turn at some point in my travels. This isn’t a question of prejudice. It’s an issue of common sense and self-preservation. And this entire conversation about Mark Cuban and his so-called racist tendencies is a farce. But as a businessman, Cuban clearly has learned that you can’t go around saying something obvious if it’s politically unpalatable to the Left. That’s just bad for business.

EDIT: (Jazz) A commenter pointed out that in the hypothetical example above, the presence of confederate flag bumper stickers could carry a connotation of racism. I tend to disagree since, having spent a fair amount of time in the South, I’ve become friends with several people who proudly fly the stars and bars but are about as far from being racists as one could imagine. They’re just proud of their Southern heritage. Still, rather than provide fodder to those seeking to derail the conversation, I would substitute NRA stickers. If you choose to next argue that being a member of the National Rifle Association somehow carries with it an implicit charge of racism, feel free, but I’ll pretty much have stopped listening by that point.


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Thanks, Cuban. The Scoldosphere was running out of things to whine about.

KS Rex on May 24, 2014 at 8:35 AM

The leftists REALLY hate it when facts get in the way of the approved storyline.

TKindred on May 24, 2014 at 8:37 AM

The thing Cuban and other sports owners and management don’t take into account is that sports writers are just as far left as the rest of what passes for journalism today. They like nothing better than for a Mark Cuban, Donald Sterling or Al Campanis to make a statement they can twist to suit their own agenda.

It’s kind of like conservatives appearing on the Sunday morning shows and liberal anchors looking to trip them up with “gotcha” questions.

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 8:39 AM

It seems like we are stuck in an episode of the Simpsons.

whbates on May 24, 2014 at 8:41 AM

No discussion of Cuban’s remark is complete without a quote from Jesse Jackson in 1993:

“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved…. After all we have been through. Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating.”

the drill sgt on May 24, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Our own Katie Pavlich felt the sting of Mediaite’s hall monitors when she suggested that she might cross the street herself in certain circumstances.

In our politically correct world it’s far better for a woman to be robbed, raped or murdered than do anything that might be considered the least bit racist.

Even Jesse Jackson said a few years ago, “There is nothing more painful to me … than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Cop interviews pummeled mugging victim:

“…Then why did you keep walking toward them if you thought they looked dangerous? You could have turned and gone the other way.”

“Well they were black, and I didn’t want to appear racist!”

otlset on May 24, 2014 at 8:44 AM

Thanks, Cuban. The Scoldosphere was running out of things to whine about.

KS Rex on May 24, 2014 at 8:35 AM

Impossible. That’s like saying that if we just turned our backs on Israel, the Muslims would have no more grievances with the West and would leave us alone.

Grievance is more addictive than crack.

Grammar Nazi on May 24, 2014 at 8:46 AM

It seems like we are stuck in an episode of the Simpsons.

whbates on May 24, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Can’t be.

The Simpsons is funny.

This most certainly is not.

turfmann on May 24, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Cuban should pull a report to see how much he has given to minorities and their orgs over past 20yrs—post it— then disclose he is going in a different direction. It is the only way to solve the faux outrage media–make em own it.

hillsoftx on May 24, 2014 at 8:47 AM

I’m pretty much with the topic-starter on this issue. However, you cannot dance around what is the real controversy. You gotta address it somehow.

The controversy (among reasonable people) is that you equate “confederate flags” with “hoodies”. The former is a clear political statement, and the other is viewed by many as simple articles of clothing not associated with any behavior but only a race.

Therefore people simply don’t buy your analogy.

PBH on May 24, 2014 at 8:48 AM

Nice job Jazz.

He apologized for saying hoodie? wtf

bazil9 on May 24, 2014 at 8:48 AM

If you don’t want to bee seen as a thug, don’t dress like a thug.

God help us: Don the Lemon is the voice of reason on a Race panel discussion.

Skipity on May 24, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Though he is a liberal, Don Lemon actually is one of the more honest anchors at CNN, which doesn’t say a lot. Marc Lamont Hill has made a career out of being a race huckster.

I have no idea who Sonny Hostin or Travis Waldron are – nor do I care to find out.

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM

I’m wary of anyone who looks like they might do me harm.

darwin on May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM

I’ll bet Marc Lamont Hill crosses the street, too, or else he never travels thru ‘those’ neighborhoods. There’s a huge element of self preservation involved. Even some cops don’t go to calls there without swat team backup. I really do think Cuban should be forced to sell the team and am sure the letter from the league is forthcoming.

Kissmygrits on May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Oh… That’s Rich…… Al Sharpton & Pals define Racist….

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Next week Bernie Madoff and Barack Obama will define Honesty

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 24, 2014 at 8:53 AM

One movie that actually give good treatment to the issue of Race and Prejudices in America is “Crash”. I know that description sounds like a “stay far away from this movie” but it’s actually excellent. Check it out if you haven’t seen it.

Skipity on May 24, 2014 at 8:54 AM

When the Left starts deporting us to camps, we will look back on times like this and laugh and laugh.

higgins1991 on May 24, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Today we all became more Shhtreet, according to Obamacare MD’s, fist bumping is good for our health. So too is packing heat in Chicago … but ….

kregg on May 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM

stephen a. smith does a much better job of defending cuban than anyone on this blog is capable of. his original comments can be seen here and here.

also, cuban was wise to apologize to the family of Trayvon Martin (jazz’s emphasis, not mine) because the hoodie reference was taking away from the point he was trying to make. trayvon’s family doesn’t need to be dragged into the donald sterling situation and (regardless of anyone’s intent) the term “hoodie” will always be linked to his death.

dbilly76 on May 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM

There is one thing – and probably only one thing – Eric Holder said that I agree with: America is too cowardly to have a discussion on race.

Political correctness has prevented us from discussing (racist) facts:
* 39% of all federal prisoners are black; 34% are Hispanic
* Approximately 50% of all murders are committed by blacks even though they represent less than 15% of the population
* 73% of black babies and 53% of Hispanic babies are born to single mothers
* Black and Hispanic drop-out rates are far higher than whites

Obama and Holder could have benefitted the black community by teaching them about responsibility rather than “blame whity.”

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Aren’t we told over and over that we need to talk about race, well? I guess not yet.

jmtham156 on May 24, 2014 at 9:07 AM

If what Mark Cuban said is considered racist and offensive, it’s clearly impossible to have that Frank Conversation On Race Relations In This Country™ the left keeps on nattering on about.

flipflop on May 24, 2014 at 9:09 AM

The controversy (among reasonable people) is that you equate “confederate flags” with “hoodies”. The former is a clear political statement, and the other is viewed by many as simple articles of clothing not associated with any behavior but only a race.

PBH on May 24, 2014 at 8:48 AM

While I completely disagree with the premise, I take your point that people would seek to drive this topic off the rail by focusing on that minor point. See edit to original article above.

Jazz Shaw on May 24, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Why is it now accepted that it is right to apologize for any potentially glancing references to Trayvon ™ Martin. The kid was a thug who attacked George Zimmerman and, as it turned out, had just picked the wrong lily white hispanic to try and beat down. People who yelp about Trayvon ought to be apologizing to decent society for still supporting a thug who was a menace to society, even though he was just skipping along with Arizona Iced Tea Whatever and Skittles.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 24, 2014 at 9:10 AM

When the Left starts deporting us to camps, we will look back on times like this and laugh and laugh.

higgins1991 on May 24, 2014 at 8:55 AM

With suggestions that climate change deniers be imprisoned, that day may not be far off.

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Marc Lamont Hill has made a career out of being a race huckster.

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 8:52 AM

Actually, O’Reilly made his career. The guy was nothing until O’Reilly started bringing him onto his show all the time. O’Reilly also brought that idiot Sharpton back into national prominence. Great stuff, there …

These are a couple of the reasons why I haven’t watched that turd in many years (and haven’t watched Fox News in a few years, either).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 24, 2014 at 9:14 AM

We cannot have an honest discussion as long as the threat of extortion hangs over our heads.

southsideironworks on May 24, 2014 at 9:15 AM

You don’t have to cross the street, Mark. There’s a right for that, and in TX it’s a right that’s easy to enjoy.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Maybe when they say an honest discussion about race it must include reparations.

jmtham156 on May 24, 2014 at 9:23 AM

There is one thing – and probably only one thing – Eric Holder said that I agree with: America is too cowardly to have a discussion on race.

Political correctness has prevented us from discussing (racist) facts:
* 39% of all federal prisoners are black; 34% are Hispanic
* Approximately 50% of all murders are committed by blacks even though they represent less than 15% of the population
* 73% of black babies and 53% of Hispanic babies are born to single mothers
* Black and Hispanic drop-out rates are far higher than whites

Obama and Holder could have benefitted the black community by teaching them about responsibility rather than “blame whity.”

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Thanks for the stats bw22 but what we really want to hear is your conclusion.

Is your conclusion that blacks are irresponsible?

What is your conclusion from these numbers?

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:24 AM

When the Left starts deporting us to camps, we will look back on times like this and laugh and laugh. higgins1991 on May 24, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Fat chance, but anyone who ends up in the kind of “camp” you’re talking about simply didn’t want to stay out of a camp badly enough.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 9:26 AM

As a startling side note, I have a black hoodie and wear it every spring and fall. It has a graphic of a loon on it – I mean the bird, not Nancy Pelosi – and I find it comfortable.

Check your privilege, white dude. #WaronWomen

rogaineguy on May 24, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Well now he has to pay a fine and lose his team right?

faol on May 24, 2014 at 9:27 AM

Is your conclusion that blacks are irresponsible?

What is your conclusion from these numbers?

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:24 AM

???

It’s obvious that dependence on government has taken it’s toll. Also, thank the left for pandering and using blacks as a club to hammer the right then ignoring them once they’ve served their purpose.

darwin on May 24, 2014 at 9:29 AM

If given half a chance, these ‘episodes’ may well facilitate the defining of actual racism, and that would be a good thing.
If given half a chance.

pambi on May 24, 2014 at 9:30 AM

What is your conclusion from these numbers?

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:24 AM

You gotta play the odds.

otlset on May 24, 2014 at 9:30 AM

dbilly76 on May 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Kudos to Smith.
His comments were great.
Hope he doesn’t find himself needing to ‘spend more time with the family’.
IYKWIMAITYD.

pambi on May 24, 2014 at 9:31 AM

Thanks, Jazz, for posting this article.

It’s about as close to an honest discussion about race that we’re likely to get. Kudos to Cuban.

Cleombrotus on May 24, 2014 at 9:33 AM

What is your conclusion from these numbers?
coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:24 AM

That these numbers have gotten worse in direct proportion to welfare expenditures, or as Dear Leader would put it, income redistribution.

And as Thomas Sowell often points out, notably in Race, Rhetoric, and Reality, the enactment of federal civil rights legislation also coincided with the decline in educational and vocational achievements -and family stability- among blacks, which had been trending positively for decades prior.

As for Hispanics, we didn’t used to have so many of them did we? Their general refusal to assimilate results in the social pathologies of their homelands being imported and taking root here.

Now we’re in for the same kind of fun with Muslims.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 9:34 AM

What is your conclusion from these numbers?
coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:24 AM

What is your conclusion?

bazil9 on May 24, 2014 at 9:36 AM

Raise your hand if you would cross the street if you saw a white guy, his head shaved, with tattoos walking toward you in the street.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:37 AM

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

Oldie but a goodie.

Larry gives the best reason for profiling.

http://monsterhunternation.com/2013/07/22/on-profiling-and-stand-your-ground/

warren on May 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

What is your conclusion? bazil9 on May 24, 2014 at 9:36 AM

It’s conclusion is shut up racist.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM

It’s pretty sad when nearly nobody will so much as talk about it due to the media’s obsession on race.

Need a T-shirt that says “I See Racist People”… but NOT on a hoodie!!

Tard on May 24, 2014 at 9:40 AM

Why did the chicken cross the road?? What in hell does it matter, folks? If I feel more comfortable further away from a black guy in a hoody, a white guy with a tattooed face, a woman sportin’ a glock, or a bleepin’ Hare’ Krishna dude singing “awwwwume, awwwwwwwume” to anyone within hearing distance that’s my business and none of y’all’s. Speaking for myself, I avoid ALL black people on the street. I have been mugged twice, and I do not care for it to occur again. And I don’t give a fat rat’s azz if anyone, especially the likes of ‘libfreeorcry’call me a racist, a bigot or an ugly step child of Satan hisself. I just do not care anymore.

bimmcorp on May 24, 2014 at 9:44 AM

There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved…. After all we have been through. Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating.

Remarks at a meeting of Operation PUSH in Chicago (27 November 1993). Quoted in “Crime: New Frontier – Jesse Jackson Calls It Top Civil-Rights Issue” by Mary A. Johnson, 29 November 1993, Chicago Sun-Times (ellipsis in original). Partially quoted in US News & World Report (10 March 1996)

We all respond to our perception of reality. The fact that a black kid in a hoodie is more likely a threat than an old lady(black, white, yellow or brown) seems obvious. The only questions are how much of an issue is it and how adverse to it are we.

I would be curious as to the ‘profile’ of a mugger. If you looked at all reported muggings and street attacks, what would be the most common combo of race and attire? I know the guys that beat me several years ago were all white and several wore hoodies. When I see anyone dressed that way at night, I try avoid them.

OBQuiet on May 24, 2014 at 9:45 AM

I would hope that more people would ignore the PC label and speak what we all know is true. It’s time the tail stopped wagging the dog in this country. The perpetually offended will always find a word or a look to ignite their faux outrage.

It would be pretty sad if he caves and apologizes for what he said. Anyone who apologizes for speaking what is true should keep their mouths shut if they can’t stand behind it.

iamsaved on May 24, 2014 at 9:45 AM

Raise your hand if you would cross the street if you saw a white guy, his head shaved, with tattoos walking toward you in the street.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:37 AM

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:39 AM

My neighbor was walking back from a local Chinese place with takeout when two white guys and a black guy that had been standing near a corner building started walking towards him … straight towards him. He raised his shirt to show his sidearm. They turned around and walked back to their corner.

In this case crossing the street would have made no difference if he wasn’t armed.

darwin on May 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Speaking for myself, I avoid ALL black people on the street. I have been mugged twice, and I do not care for it to occur again. And I don’t give a fat rat’s azz if anyone, especially the likes of ‘libfreeorcry’call me a racist, a bigot or an ugly step child of Satan hisself. I just do not care anymore.

bimmcorp on May 24, 2014 at 9:44 AM

I give you prop for coming to term and accepting you racism. And talking about freely.

A+

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

In our politically correct world it’s far better for a woman to be robbed, raped or murdered than do anything that might be considered the least bit racist.

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Well, only if they are raped raped, or murdered murdered.

HiJack on May 24, 2014 at 9:48 AM

No discussion of Cuban’s remark is complete without a quote from Jesse Jackson in 1993:

“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved…. After all we have been through. Just to think we can’t walk down our own streets, how humiliating.”

the drill sgt on May 24, 2014 at 8:41 AM

Dude, that was like 20 years ago.

(And things have gotten much better since, haven’t they?)

ss396 on May 24, 2014 at 9:51 AM

I give you prop for coming to term and accepting you racism. And talking about freely. A+ coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Racists don’t want to get knocked out. Do you have data that suggests that they do?

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

I give you prop for coming to term and accepting you racism. And talking about freely.

A+

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

lol … what a nut.

darwin on May 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Apparently being human and having survival instincts is politically incorrect in the minds of liberals.

Philly on May 24, 2014 at 9:53 AM

More racists not enjoying being assaulted.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 9:54 AM

I think you can mouth platitudes all day long and while I appreciate Mr. Cuban’s honesty, at some point self preservation has to kick in. I’m not going to do a lot of second guessing myself and I raised my kids to go on their instincts. And while we worry about hurting some innocent person’s feeling, look how many people we let get away with horrible things because they are too “nice” “normal” or “important” to tell the truth about.

Cindy Munford on May 24, 2014 at 9:54 AM

What is your conclusion?

bazil9 on May 24, 2014 at 9:36 AM

While we’re waiting… Mine is that LBJ did a bang-up job decimating the families in some of the poorest areas of the country. Those who would most benefit from having a male and female role model, those who would have benefitted most from having the economic and social stability of having a mother and a father in the home were discouraged from having this benefit and, instead, were coerced into relying on “the government”. Generations later, government intervention has trapped so many in the cycle of true poverty which tends to increase crime and the criminal element.

Anecdotal, my mom taught in the “inner city” from the early 60′s through the late 80′s. She saw firsthand the “unintended” consequences of supposedly good intentions of the Democrats. “My mom said, if the social worker sees my dad around here one more time, she’s gonna stop getting the check. Dad had to move out last night.”

Fallon on May 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

lol … what a nut.

darwin on May 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

It is 15 yr. old unsupervised computer junkie.

katy the mean old lady on May 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

If only George Zimmerman had checked his White (Hispanic) Privilege and taken his beating like a man, nobody would have to cross the street.

BigAlSouth on May 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

If you don’t want to bee seen as a thug, don’t dress like a thug.

God help us: Don the Lemon is the voice of reason on a Race panel discussion.

Skipity on May 24, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Waring a hoodie with the hood up when it isn’t cold indicates that you are trying not to be identified, which puts your intentions in doubt regardless of your race.
Likewise, you usually don’t have to fear being mugged by a guy in a business suit, regardless of race.

Count to 10 on May 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Some white racists hate being randomly assaulted by black youtz so much that they die in protest.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Of course, it’s probably been twenty years since Mark Cuban walked down a street where this would be an issue.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 10:02 AM

I give you prop for coming to term and accepting you racism. And talking about freely.

A+

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

You just proved my point, Loser. What makes you think I give two turds or a pint of piss what ‘prop’ you give or don’t give me. Nor do I care one whit if the likes of you or anyone else calls me a ‘racist’. At this stage of my life, I wear your label as a badge of honor. Finally, why don’t you do us all a huge favor and go shimmy up a cactus, ‘lady’??

bimmcorp on May 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM

This non-scandal only seems to be picking up some traction on blogs. I haven’t seen/heard a lot on the propaganda-waves

chris0christies0donut on May 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Fallon on May 24, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Good points Fallon & I agree.

I worked in the inner city/ghetto’s in the late 90′s and saw the same thing.
Very very sad.
I was in my 20′s..a lot of what I saw was shocking to me.
Yes..it is a cycle-

bazil9 on May 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM

This non-scandal only seems to be picking up some traction on blogs. I haven’t seen/heard a lot on the propaganda-waves chris0christies0donut on May 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Of course not, Magic and Oprah don’t want Cuban’s team yo.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

My neighbor was walking back from a local Chinese place with takeout when two white guys and a black guy that had been standing near a corner building started walking towards him … straight towards him. He raised his shirt to show his sidearm. They turned around and walked back to their corner.

In this case crossing the street would have made no difference if he wasn’t armed.

darwin on May 24, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Brandishing is a very dangerous thing to do. Once you have done that, the first one to 911 wins.

Case in point… My best friend from high school was walking across a large parking lot toward his car at a sports arena late at night. A group of several thugs approached him while talking among themselves about the beatdown they were about to give. He raised his shirt to show his handgun, and they ran off. To the nearest pay phone. Where they dialed 911. To report a crazy white cracka waving a gun around. That little incident cost him a night in jail, his gun, and $10,000. Five to seven guys with the same story against one in a game of he-said, she-said, and he didn’t stand a chance.

stvnscott on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Of course not, Magic and Oprah don’t want Cuban’s team yo.

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

You have a point…

chris0christies0donut on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

We all judge, sure, but it’s not racism to avoid questionable characters. Dress, time of day, location, and appearance are important factors. At 3AM, I trust no one, but I’m not going to move away from a kempt black guy in a hoodie if I’m walking in daylight on the main street in a college town.

DisneyFan on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

I give you prop for coming to term and accepting you racism. And talking about freely.

A+

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

lol … what a nut.

darwin on May 24, 2014 at 9:52 AM

White people never rob anybody. I get it. But if white people did start robbing people, and this guy got robbed by two white dudes, how many here believe he would go out of his way to avoid white people when he walks down the street?

When one white people does stuff it’s the individual. When one black person does stuff it’s the whole damn race.

You want frank talk about race, start by not calling people nut when they point out your racism.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Grew up around Baltimore. Lived in NY and Philly.

If you don’t take avoiding some people seriously, you will get hurt.

I got a hole in my arm from a .25 cal Raven. Lucky it jammed on the first round, or I might be dead.
You want me to accept the hoodie look as less than a culture? Just a fashion statement?

I gave up being a victim a long time ago. Being shot will do that to you.

wolly4321 on May 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

You just proved my point, Loser. What makes you think I give two turds or a pint of piss what ‘prop’ you give or don’t give me. Nor do I care one whit if the likes of you or anyone else calls me a ‘racist’. At this stage of my life, I wear your label as a badge of honor. Finally, why don’t you do us all a huge favor and go shimmy up a cactus, ‘lady’??

bimmcorp on May 24, 2014 at 10:04 AM

I believe everything you just said. You are defending your racism with vigor and I applaud it. But you said you don’t care that people call you racist, but your answer tells me you are conflicted about it. You clearly care.

And I will shimmy up that cactus as soon as I find one.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Hey coolr- who commits more assualts?

wolly4321 on May 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

From Larry Correia’s article on profiling.

I used to tell my students to pay attention to their instincts. If you get a bad vibe off of somebody, for whatever reason, pay attention to it. That doesn’t make you rude, or a jerk, that is just you paying attention to survival instincts that have been built into the human species over millennia for a reason. If the person that made you nervous happens to be a different color than you, who cares? That doesn’t make you racist, and it doesn’t make you a bad person. It just means that they’ve made your survival instincts tingle. So pay attention

There’s a saying from firearms instructor Clint Smith, “If you look like food, you’re going to get eaten.” I used to explain to my classes that criminals were as good at their chosen career as the students were at theirs. Criminals are experts at picking out victims, and they prefer the suckers who aren’t paying attention. If you look like work, they’re probably going to pick somebody else to victimize. If you’re paying attention you’ve gone from “food” to “work” and if they wanted to work for a living they’d get a real job.

Now for the people who are getting offended because people are profiling you… Yep. No big deal. Grow up. Some of us are scary looking. Don’t let it hurt your feelings. You just need to come to terms with the fact that humans routinely victimize other humans, and some of us look more like predators than others. Does it sting when somebody reacts like that, even though you’re the nicest, most genuinely friendly person around? Sure does. Now imagine it was your wife, or your daughter, or your mom, or your grandma, and they were dealing with some scary son of a bitch that looks like you… Yeah, that changes your perspective, doesn’t it?

warren on May 24, 2014 at 10:14 AM

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Your visits here calling people (that you know zero about) racists is racist. Oh, and it’s boring.

Cindy Munford on May 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

This wouldn’t even be a story if the cable networks, including Fox, didn’t try to use it to drive ratings.

What Cuban was actually talking about was the slippery slope the NBA owners are in trying to determine what an owner is allowed to say in private. That should have been the story, not the made up one they are all focusing on.

huckleberryfriend on May 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

White people never rob anybody. I get it. But if white people did start robbing people, and this guy got robbed by two white dudes, how many here believe he would go out of his way to avoid white people when he walks down the street?

When one white people does stuff it’s the individual. When one black person does stuff it’s the whole damn race.

You want frank talk about race, start by not calling people nut when they point out your racism.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Hey, ‘lady’…Had you bothered to actually read my post, you would note that I mentioned a variety of people…not just blacks. It is YOU who are the racist, because it is YOU who sees every situation and every motive for behavior as being based upon the race of those involved in it. So…what about YOUR racism…Hmmmm???

bimmcorp on May 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM

LOL! Like they want to be anywhere near Texas.

Cindy Munford on May 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

This is why we cannot have a conversation about race in this country. Not because we are cowards but because the people who say we are cowards just want to use this conversation as a trap.

I remember the last time I went to Florida with my kids we took a wrong turn in Jacksonville at lunch time. We passed a group of black teens and a reverend protesting about racial profiling because of the Treyvon Martin incident. We were in a heavily minority section of the city but we were hungry and my husband was sick of fast food. There was this bbq place he really wanted to try so we went in.

As the sun reflected off our lily white New York skin we walked into this establishment right behind a black guy dressed like a black panther (the organization not the animal). Once inside we saw every wall was covered with pictures of famous black people including Obama, MLK, and Billie Holiday. Anyhow, the guy took one look at us and said, “you’re not from around here are you?” Nope. Then he let us try like three different sauces so we could make sure we got something we liked. He was really nice but I don’t think he had ever served white people in his little restaurant before. I don’t think he was racist. I don’t think we are racist. But all of us noticed our differences and all of us had about the same reaction which was, what are we/you doing here?

magicbeans on May 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

how is someone wearing a hoodie a threat? a hoodie is a completely normal thing to wear when you are cold. since when is a hoodie some kind of gang symbol??? wtf.

Sachiko on May 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

You deny that there is a subculture? That wears hoodies?

wolly4321 on May 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

I give you prop for coming to term and accepting you racism. And talking about freely.

A+

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

When one white people does stuff it’s the individual. When one black person does stuff it’s the whole damn race.

You want frank talk about race, start by not calling people nut when they point out your racism.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Invest in an English composition class kid. You were obviously asleep the first time through.

itsspideyman on May 24, 2014 at 10:18 AM

huckleberryfriend on May 24, 2014 at 10:16 AM

They are probably purposefully ignoring the larger point, because they want to be able to steal peoples property. If this is successful, and it will be, I think we will see more of it. Just like they don’t want conservatives to have political action committees with the same rules as theirs, they will go after conservative business owners. See the Redskins.

Cindy Munford on May 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

You want frank talk about race, start by not calling people nut when they point out your racism.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

*snort

chris0christies0donut on May 24, 2014 at 10:19 AM

Sachiko on May 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM

I guess when you have to apologize to the Martins for mentioning it.

Cindy Munford on May 24, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Is your conclusion that blacks are irresponsible?

What is your conclusion from these numbers?

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:24 AM

Mind you, these figures come from the U.S. Census, the FBI and the Federal Bureau of Prisons. I didn’t make them up.

Since, according to federal government statistics, black women are 2.5 times more likely than white women to be single moms and blacks are three times more likely than whites to be in federal prisons, I would go out on a lime and venture to guess that blacks are less responsible than whites.

Do you agree or disagree, coolrepublica?

The Great Society removed responsibility for people of all races. In 1960, the black illegitimacy rate was 22%. In 1960, the white illegitimacy rate was a mere 2.3%. Today it is 29%. Obviously, there are many factors other than the Great Society (changes in mores, increased divorce rate, etc.).

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

I believe everything you just said. You are defending your racism with vigor and I applaud it. But you said you don’t care that people call you racist, but your answer tells me you are conflicted about it. You clearly care.

And I will shimmy up that cactus as soon as I find one.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

I am conflicted about absolutely nothing, Loser. And again, I do not care if you ‘applaud’ it or disdain it. The only thing I care about here is my right to cross a street without mealy mouthed, pandering libiots like you questioning my motives. As for cactus, come on down here to Texas. We have plenty of it. But your kind of liberal pablum doesn’t get much empathy here in the Lone Star State. Feel free to stay in your urban ghetto, where you are all safe and cozy.

bimmcorp on May 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

I give you prop for coming to term and accepting you racism. And talking about freely.

A+

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 9:47 AM

If this was meant facetiously, great. Otherwise, imagine the following:

You walk down the street for years passing folks walking dogs. No problem. Then, one day out of the blue, as you pass a German Shepard, it viscously attacks you. You put this behind you, you’ve seen Shepards on the street before and since and go about your life. Much later, as your pass a completely different Shepard, it also attacks you.

How crazy is it to start crossing the street or moving out of the path of this breed in the future? Or maybe it only makes sense to avoid all dogs.

OBQuiet on May 24, 2014 at 10:21 AM

You want frank talk about race, start by not calling people nut when they point out your racism.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Question: do you believe non-whites can be racist?

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM

so my point is that people are way too quick to jump to conclusions about other people. i’m not just talking about race, i’m talking about a lot of other things as well. whether it be race, tattoos, the neighborhood one lives in, the job one has, the clothes one wears, or whatever else you want to determine someone’s entire personality from, jumping to conclusions is easy. it’s certainly easier than trying to think logically, so i can see why a lot of people do it.

both liberals and conservatives are guilty of this, btw. yes, lots of conservatives are guilty. including many on this site. think before you come to a conclusion about someone else. you can’t just assume things about complete strangers based on very little evidence.

Sachiko on May 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:11 AM

Your visits here calling people (that you know zero about) racists is racist. Oh, and it’s boring.

Cindy Munford on May 24, 2014 at 10:15 AM

I don’t know sterling and I call him racist because he said racist stuff. If you say that you avoid all black people because you got robbed by two black dudes that is racism. If you can’t understand that then it is not my fault.

I haven’t called you racist Cindy Mumford, but tell me the ways you go out of your way to avoid black people and I will call you racist to.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM

start by not calling people nut

coolrepublica

Stop being a nut/ignorant lying moron and no one will call you what you clearly are.

xblade on May 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Your failure to identify that subculture IS the problem.

It’s in your face real, but you won’t deal with it.

How do you blame white racism for Chicago’s death toll.

You call us racist for pointing it out. You ever stop to think maybe we are saddened about it too?

Reality is your friend.

wolly4321 on May 24, 2014 at 10:24 AM

White people never rob anybody. I get it. But if white people did start robbing people, and this guy got robbed by two white dudes, how many here believe he would go out of his way to avoid white people when he walks down the street?

When one white people does stuff it’s the individual. When one black person does stuff it’s the whole damn race.

You want frank talk about race, start by not calling people nut when they point out your racism.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:08 AM

What racism?

My very first comment on this thread was:

“I’m wary of anyone who looks like they might do me harm”.

Feel free to enlighten me how mine, or any comment here is racist. If you haven’t figured it out yet, people are being judged by their actions. If you live in an area where white people commit a lot of crime you’re wary of white people. Same goes for blacks, hispanics, asians … whatever.

It’s the actions of people that dictate the response.

Get it? Not the other way around.

And for the record, your comment does sound nutty.

darwin on May 24, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Question: do you believe non-whites can be racist?

bw222 on May 24, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Absolutely. Some of the most racist people are Asians. Black people can be racist. Racism come in all colors. What all the racist people on the planet have in common is their strong belief that they are not racist. But they go around saying and doing racist stuff.

coolrepublica on May 24, 2014 at 10:26 AM

You know what’s really ironic here? The same morons cough coolrepublica for example cough who have a problem with Cuban saying he crosses the street are typically the same morons who said Zimmerman should have remained cowering in his locked truck in the presence of a black person if he didn’t want to catch a beating, lol.

xblade on May 24, 2014 at 10:29 AM

You don’t have to cross the street, Mark. There’s a right for that, and in TX it’s a right that’s easy to enjoy.
Akzed on May 24, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Actually TX is surprisingly difficult to exercise that right. My brother regularly carries and said there was a lot more paperwork and longer process than when he lived in wacko state of WA.

Nutstuyu on May 24, 2014 at 10:32 AM

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