CNN panel wonders just how long Shinseki will last as Crist calls for resignation

posted at 12:01 pm on May 23, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Could Eric Shinseki be out at the VA as early as today, perhaps in time for a Friday-afternoon news dump on a long weekend meant to honor those who died in military service? A CNN panel hosted by John King certainly thinks it’s a possibility. King wonders how this “fight in the family” will impact Democratic turnout in the midterms, exemplified from calls by Democrats running in November for his ouster — now including Charlie Crist in Florida:

Noah Rothman noted the exchange as well:

CNN anchor John King began by noting that both Republicans and Democrats are coming out and calling for Shinseki to resign. King noted that this “fight in the family” could depress Democratic turnout in the midterm elections.

“If you feel you have to run from your White House in a campaign year, you might have to do it –- tactically and strategically –- but it can’t help you,” King said.

Politico’s Maggie Haberman agreed but noted that it was easier for Democrats who need to create distance from President Barack Obama to use the VA scandal to achieve that rather than the Affordable Care Act.

She later added that she would not be surprised if the White House announced Shinseki’s firing late on Friday so that the news is buried over a holiday weekend.

The White House wanted the personnel story this weekend to be the appointment of Julian Castro to run HUD, not a vigil on Shinseki’s incompetence at the VA. The problem for Barack Obama and the White House is that the outrage over the VA scandal is playing out exactly as it did in 2007-8, when Obama and then Shinseki promised to do something about long wait times and bureaucratic bungling and cover-ups. It’s gone bipartisan, and while we scoff at Charlie Crist as a naked opportunist, the very fact that this naked opportunist has seized on the VA scandal should be a huge red flag at the White House. Crist certainly qualifies as a weathervane in this storm.

According to WMUR, the other problem is that Shinseki’s support even among those sticking with the Obama administration line is hardly enthusiastic:

Will Shinseki go today? The ripe moment was actually on Wednesday, when Obama called a presser to inexplicably give Shinseki a qualified vote of confidence. It’s true, as Haberman says, that a Friday afternoon before a holiday weekend would be a propitious opportunity to jettison an embarrassment with as little media scrutiny as possible — but it’s probably too soon after Obama’s embrace of Shinseki 48 hours ago. This albatross will probably hang around Democratic necks for at least another week, if not longer.


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KS Rex on May 23, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Now that Charlie Crist has weighed in, I finally know how to think and feel about this scandal.

Bitter Clinger on May 23, 2014 at 12:05 PM

If he has one more “really mad”, might happen…

hillsoftx on May 23, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Shinseki won’t be fired. At the most he will discover a health problem suddenly. He will go out just like Sebelius. Little fanfare, a quick embrace, and vanished like a fart in a windstorm.

Mord on May 23, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Shitseki will last at least until after Memorial Day.

Japan is very disappointed in him.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM

If Cruz, or Boehner, or anyone had any brains, they will push legislation to allow vets to get care from anywhere until the VA mess is cleared up.

Use a voucher.

Call it Emergency Veterans Assistance Care, or EVAC.

Dare the Dems to vote against it.

Trap them all. The VA mess will never be cleaned up. ObamaCare will be doomed.

faraway on May 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM

I don’t know, CNN this morning reported that Shinseki confirmed he was NOT stepping down.

Further, CNN now making big distinction between long lines/access to care VS. quality of care, saying the quality is fantastic and even better in some cases than private care. They’re trying to uh, balance, their coverage.

In other words, CNN trying to soften the damage they’ve done to Democrats.

LetsBfrank on May 23, 2014 at 12:12 PM

GWB made Shitseki and now deserves him.

This guy got rid of the Rangers’ hard-earned black berets. It was the beginning of all the idiotic PC which permeates the military today. No longer is the primary objective to fight to win.

They “service the targets”, no kidding. That’s the official lingo.

Shitseki has outlived all his credits.

However, let him be there. If he goes, the oaf, who’s chief, will just wash his hands of the VA Death Panels for Bonuses scandal.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2014 at 12:13 PM

now including Charlie Crist in Florida:

I thought the devil came and collected. Why is this laughing orange nut still around and considered credible?

darwin on May 23, 2014 at 12:14 PM

So CNN was shamed into talking about this…?

Akzed on May 23, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Now, imagine the public reaction if an Indonesian Muslim and a Japanese nationals were caught conspiring to kill off U. S. Army veterans in, say, year 1947. I swear there would be blood on the streets. Apparently, we have a lot to learn from our grandfathers.

PS: I do not condone what we did to our Japanese nationals after Pearl Harbor, regardless of reason or necessity.

Rix on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

shinsenski is going nowhere. there is no evidence **NONE** that shinsenski has done anything wrong.

obama knows that. he won’t let shinsenski take the fall just to appease the mouthbreathing masses.

obama isn’t a capricious dictator who rules by whims. obama is a good leader who leaves no man behind.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Left you a note in the headlines, in the tea party thread.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Crist only is against Shinseki because we have a black president.

Man, I could never be a liberal. I was laughing as I typed that. How do they keep a straight face when they spout this gibberish?

SteveMG on May 23, 2014 at 12:23 PM

Left you a note in the headlines, in the tea party thread.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2014 at 12:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1Yt0xJKDY8

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:23 PM

“CNN panel wonders just how long Shinseki will last…”

I’m wondering how long CNN will last!

kjl291 on May 23, 2014 at 12:24 PM

I predicted yesterday the resignation would be the Friday evening into a holiday weekend news dump.

ConstantineXI on May 23, 2014 at 12:25 PM

“CNN panel wonders just how long Shinseki will last…”

I’m wondering how long CNN will last!

kjl291 on May 23, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Like Detroit, CNN, MSLSD and the rest of the LSM will run out of other people’s money.

ConstantineXI on May 23, 2014 at 12:25 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:23 PM

She does look good.

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2014 at 12:26 PM

obama isn’t a capricious dictator who rules by whims. obama is a good leader who leaves no man behind.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Hanging curve ball right there. Who wants it?

esr1951 on May 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM

i called today as the day over a week ago on HA. now i am offically puilling it back. BHO wont do it now after the wed debacle. too much face loss; and the narcissism wont allow it. shinseki hangs on for a ‘decent interval’ like sebellius. over/under july 3.

t8stlikchkn on May 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM

‘Charlie Crist as a naked opportunist’

But of course- POS.

bazil9 on May 23, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Zombies

Schadenfreude on May 23, 2014 at 12:29 PM

I’m glad I can now enjoy my Holiday Weekend knowing
Charlie Crist has an opinion on this…Whew!

ToddPA on May 23, 2014 at 12:30 PM

If Cruz, or Boehner, or anyone had any brains, they will push legislation to allow vets to get care from anywhere until the VA mess is cleared up.

Use a voucher.

Call it Emergency Veterans Assistance Care, or EVAC.

faraway on May 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM

It’s not like veterans are important people who have made a major contribution to the country like illegal aliens. Were it not for illegals doing things that Americans won’t do, our DUI count wouldn’t be so high.

bw222 on May 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnDrugs on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Hanging curve ball right there. Who wants it?

esr1951 on May 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM

…there’s a hole in that sock!

KOOLAID2 on May 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM

both Republicans and Democrats

Two for one with the orange man.

pain train on May 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM

obama isn’t a capricious dictator who rules by whims. obama is a good leader who leaves no man behind.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

…unless they’re asking for increased embassy security
…unless they’re posting “dangerous” videos on YouTube
…unless they’re expecting him to actually do what he says
…unless they’re actually expecting him to enforce the law, because: It’s. The. Law., which is why Obamacare hasn’t really been enacted
…unless they’re believing that he doesn’t NEED Presidential intelligence briefings, cuz he’s so smaht.
…until he reads about it in the papers on Friday – then he’s gonna be madder than hell!!!
…until it (the Scandal of the Day) dies down and he can go back to playing golf

DublOh7 on May 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Hanging curve ball right there. Who wants it?

esr1951 on May 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM

This guy has to be sock, doesn’t he? Overplays his hand? I hope so. To think otherwise is frightening.

butch on May 23, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Charlie Crist lost to a Republican, so of course he cries, “Racism!” because he’s white, ya know. After losing to a Hispanic Republican.

Sheer genius, that one.

DublOh7 on May 23, 2014 at 12:35 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Dumbest troll ever … and that’s saying a lot.

bw222 on May 23, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Charlie Crist lost to a Republican, so of course he cries, “Racism!” because he’s white, ya know. After losing to a Hispanic Republican.

DublOh7 on May 23, 2014 at 12:35 PM

Charlie Crist is orange, like John Boehner.

bw222 on May 23, 2014 at 12:38 PM

obama is a good leader who leaves no man behind.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Is that you, Reverend Wright?

Deafdog on May 23, 2014 at 12:38 PM

It’s gone bipartisan, and while we scoff at Charlie Crist as a naked opportunist, the very fact that this naked opportunist has seized on the VA scandal should be a huge red flag at the White House.

Never ever refer to Charlie Christ and naked in the same sentence.

Two out of the three panelists on Special Report last night said that Shinseki was a dead man walking. And that was before this latest story about 27 documented deaths due to VA wait times. It is a story that continues to grow and thre isn’t a single Congresscritter that doesn’t have veterans as a voting bloc. My guess is that it is only a matter of time before Shinseki gives “the speech” with the “I’ve become a distraction to getting this problem fixed” variation.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2014 at 12:40 PM

He’s not going anywhere. Even Sebelius wasn’t fired, she ran her “Mission Accomplished” victory lap and then took her fat little pension all the way to the bank.

Proggy incompetence is never punished, it’s WHY Shinseki is there! It provides an alibi – Obama never heard anything about anything till it hit the news, and boy is he ‘furious’. Lol! That’s a load of crap and everyone knows it. Widespread administration incompetence provides all the cover Obama needs to shift blame and pass the bucks until all his cronies are paid off and his golden parachute is secured. I’m so disgusted.

I’m with ConstantineIX – this government has passed the tipping point and cannot be fixed or reformed any more, it’s time to burn it down while we can still do it on our own terms.

Harbingeing on May 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM

obama is a good leader who leaves no man behind.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Obama left Reggie Love behind, and enjoyed it.

Rix on May 23, 2014 at 12:46 PM

They need the senate, and each of these disasters makes it impossible to retain the senate.

So of course he will leave, they have no choice…they appointed people to Benghazi for the same reason.

If it’s “popular”, the dems will do whatever because they have no choice…

right2bright on May 23, 2014 at 12:49 PM

I wonder if Shineski, a retired four-star US Army General, suffers from the same leadership malady that plagued US Grant after Grant became President. President Grant, accustomed to immediate obedience and direct action upon command, more or less treated his cabinet members like officers in the field, with the expectation that his will would be carried out just as it had been throughout his military career.

For example, President-elect Grant was genuinely surprised when Hamilton Fish, one of that era’s most accomplished thinkers and diplomats, initially refused appointment to Secretary of State (Fish later accepted the appointment and became one of the best Secretaries of State in American history). Grant honestly didn’t consider the fact that Fish could refuse him. Grant was a military man to the bone. That isn’t how he thought, how he was trained to think. The situation was completely alien to his experience. It was that same naivete that led to the Credit Mobilier scandal and other lesser scandals that tarnished Grant’s reputation and ruined his presidency.

So no, I don’t think the VA scandal was/is the result of incompetence or corruption on the part of General Shineski. Strange as it sounds, I think the problem is/was General Shineski’s inability to understand the bureaucratic mindset and the nature of bureaucratic corruption.

troyriser_gopftw on May 23, 2014 at 12:49 PM

shinsenski is going nowhere. there is no evidence **NONE** that shinsenski has done anything wrong.

obama knows that. he won’t let shinsenski take the fall just to appease the mouthbreathing masses.

obama isn’t a capricious dictator who rules by whims. obama is a good leader who leaves no man behind.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Welcome to this site…..your Comedy will long out last
you here….due to rogerb.

ToddPA on May 23, 2014 at 12:51 PM

…obama is a good leader who leaves no man behind.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

You keep saying this. I don’t think it means what you think it does.

Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone S. Woods and Glen Doherty are unavailable for comment.

Mitoch55 on May 23, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Just think of the bonuses that ObamaCare will generate….

d1carter on May 23, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Why does Dear Leader hate our military..?

d1carter on May 23, 2014 at 12:59 PM

If Crist is in anyone’s family, he’s the creepy uncle that everbody ignores.

stldave on May 23, 2014 at 12:59 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Learn how to use the Shift key. It’s apparent from your handle that you’re able to manage it at times. Just don’t have the attention span for it when it comes to punctuating sentences? Seriously, are you 12?

BuckeyeSam on May 23, 2014 at 1:03 PM

I hope Shinseki stays.

Replacing Shinseki would allow the administration and the Democrats to proclaim the VA is under new management and we have to allow them enough time to correct the problems. Great confidence in the “new team” at the VA will allow all questions to be deflected until after the elections.

Leave Shinseki in place. Go after all of the underlings, including the Inspector General, and elevate the protection of the whistle-blowers

pilsener on May 23, 2014 at 1:06 PM

Obama should go before Shinseki…

albill on May 23, 2014 at 1:12 PM

So no, I don’t think the VA scandal was/is the result of incompetence or corruption on the part of General Shineski. Strange as it sounds, I think the problem is/was General Shineski’s inability to understand the bureaucratic mindset and the nature of bureaucratic corruption.

troyriser_gopftw on May 23, 2014 at 12:49 PM

Do you suppose that Shinseki, when he was a four star general, would have left a subordinate in command after it came to light that the subordinate’s organization had willfully been lying about their status and that scores of soldiers had died as a result?

It doesn’t matter that Shinseki wasn’t directing the secret wait lists, he’s been in charge for over five years. He has to go for the credibilty of the organization.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2014 at 1:26 PM

OT- John Conyers lost the appeal to get on the ballot in MI. I guess 50 years in the House might be it for the corrupt racist.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2014 at 1:30 PM

When you’ve lost the Orange People demographic…

philw1776 on May 23, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Do you suppose that Shinseki, when he was a four star general, would have left a subordinate in command after it came to light that the subordinate’s organization had willfully been lying about their status and that scores of soldiers had died as a result?

It doesn’t matter that Shinseki wasn’t directing the secret wait lists, he’s been in charge for over five years. He has to go for the credibilty of the organization.

Happy Nomad on May 23, 2014 at 1:26 PM

It isn’t clear from the reports, but did Shineski know the numbers were being fudged on his watch? If he did know and did nothing, then he’s complicit. If he didn’t know, he should’ve, and you’re right: the onus is on him and he should resign.

I don’t question that Shineski should resign. The man or woman in charge should always resign when a scandal of this magnitude erupts. However, without knowing more than news reportage on the scandal, I do question the assumption that Shineski himself is/was complicit in covering up those wait-list fatalities. Someone with Shineski’s history of service should be given all benefit of doubt.

troyriser_gopftw on May 23, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Does Charlie Crist hold any public office?

I didn’t think so.

unclesmrgol on May 23, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Charlie Crist is orange, like John Boehner.

Oompa Loompa, do-ba-dee-doo, I’ve got a pair of winners for you.

LetsBfrank on May 23, 2014 at 2:22 PM

If Cruz, or Boehner, or anyone had any brains, they will push legislation to allow vets to get care from anywhere until the VA mess is cleared up.

Use a voucher.Call it Emergency Veterans Assistance Care, or EVAC.

Dare the Dems to vote against it.Trap them all. The VA mess will never be cleaned up. ObamaCare will be doomed.

faraway on May 23, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Maybe if anyone of the “conservatives” on here had any brains, they would realize that THERE IS NO WAY FOR A MINORITY PARTY IN THE SENATE TO FORCE VOTES ON ANY ISSUES…

but don’t worry socons and paranoid 100% trolls- there is no difference in McConnell as Majority Leader or Harry Reid controlling the Senate!!

dummies and astroturfers on this site..

AirForceCane on May 23, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Friday afternoon, heading into a long holiday weekend. It’s got to be today, or else they’ve decided that he’s there for the long haul.

bofh on May 23, 2014 at 2:52 PM

shinsenski is going nowhere. there is no evidence **NONE** that shinsenski has done anything wrong.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Interesting. Is there a shred of evidence that he’s done anything right? Take your time, use a binky if you need to….

runawayyyy on May 23, 2014 at 3:51 PM

We need to stop dealing with this at the federal level. Not one thing is ever going to happen at that level.

This is a state issue. People are dead, all because other people refused to get them needed and deserved treatment, with malice of forethought. For money.

Start indicting those we already know falsified the wait lists for manslaughter or negligent homicide. Offer them immunity if they’ll roll over on those up the chain who ordered the fraud, then keep going up the chain till you get where we all know you will.

Is this crazy? People are charged and convicted of wrongful deaths on alot less than this all the time.

runawayyyy on May 23, 2014 at 4:01 PM

shinsenski is going nowhere. there is no evidence **NONE** that shinsenski has done anything wrong.

No evidence he’s done anything. That’s the issue.

obama knows that. he won’t let shinsenski take the fall just to appease the mouthbreathing masses

Riiiight, Choom has Ric’s back.

obama isn’t a capricious dictator who rules by whims.

“I’ve got a phone and I’ve got a pen…”

obama is a good leader who leaves no man behind.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 23, 2014 at 12:17 PM

You’re confusing him with the Rangers

It could just be ThisIsYourBrain forgot the /sarc tag

formwiz on May 23, 2014 at 4:19 PM