Mitch McConnell: I’d prefer to leave the filibuster intact for Democrats next year if we take back the Senate

posted at 4:41 pm on May 22, 2014 by Allahpundit

Before you shake your fist, consider the strategy at work here.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on Thursday that if he were to emerge as majority leader following this fall’s elections, he’d prefer to keep in place the minority party’s ability to filibuster legislation…

While he said he thought Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) had done a “lot of damage” by using parliamentary procedure to enable some judicial and executive nominees to move through the chamber with 50 votes, he suggested that he had no plans to try to undo that change. He even left the door open to further changing the rules so they would apply to more nominees…

But in stopping short of endorsing filibuster reform for actual legislation, McConnell laid down a marker for how he would run the chamber that could end up upsetting his own members. Should, for example, Republicans emerge from November with a slim Senate majority, there will be a number of legislative items — including, potentially, the repeal of Obamacare — on which he will need 60 votes to end debate.

So he’s planning to maintain Harry Reid’s status quo, in which 51 votes would be needed for cloture on presidential appointments (except to the Supreme Court) but 60 would remain the threshold for actual legislation. Why would he do that? Why not get rid of the filibuster for Senate bills too so that the GOP majority can pass whatever it wants? Two obvious reasons. One: Obama’s going to veto whatever comes out of a Republican Congress so the GOP gains nothing by nuking the rest of the filibuster. Two, more importantly: It’s very likely that Democrats will be regain their Senate majority in 2017 and also quite possible that there’ll be a new Democratic president in office. That would leave just two obstacles to Democrats passing any law they want — the House, which will probably but not definitely still be in GOP hands in three years, and the filibuster in the Senate. If McConnell nukes that filibuster for legislation next year, all Reid has to do when he’s back in charge is say that he’s going to follow Republican precedent. The GOP minority will be completely locked out in the upper chamber with no grounds to complain. McConnell’s playing a long game in refusing to hand that opening to Reid. Better to let Democrats filibuster GOP bills that’ll end up dying on Obama’s desk anyway than to create a Republican buy-in to the Dems’ anti-filibuster agenda.

In fact, keeping the filibuster around may be useful to conservatives too. If you think Mitch the Knife’s going to push an exclusively right-wing agenda as majority leader, think again:

As majority leader, McConnell would command significant authority in setting the agenda. But in a speech in January he indicated that he would aim to focus on areas of consensus, not solely conservative priorities — like repeated votes to repeal Obamacare…

A fully Republican Congress would have an obligation to the party’s would-be 2016 presidential hopeful to avoid extreme positions that would damage GOP presidential chances, analysts say. At the same time, Republicans would bear full responsibility for an institution that is highly unpopular with the public and has been notoriously unproductive in recent years.

“In order to elect a president in 2016, we’re going to have to show in 2015 and ’16 that the American people can trust Republicans with the government,” said Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.). “That means that we’ll have to come up with changes that go in a conservative direction, but changes that command support of independent voters as well as our conservative base.”

Tax reform is one example of an initiative that might end up a bit more moderate than conservatives would prefer. Amnesty, of course, is another. It’s unlikely that McConnell would try to pass something that no less than 41 members of his own caucus oppose, but given how much righties seem to distrust him, you’d like the option to filibuster a terrible bill that ends up on the floor with McConnell’s blessing, no? Keeping the current rule intact gives you that option.

One thing I don’t get, though: Why not bring the filibuster back for presidential appointments too? If, in all likelihood, the GOP’s going to be back in the minority in a few years, it’s worth moving to undo Reid’s precedent on appointments as quickly as possible. He might just reverse the rule again, of course, by re-nuking it in 2017 if the GOP brings it back next year, but at least force him to make that move. By acquiescing in what he did, you’ve agreed to move the Overton window on nominations. Having the filibuster intact next year for nominees could benefit conservatives too. It’s quite possible that Obama will nominate someone dubious whom most, but not quite all, Republicans oppose. If the GOP ends up with a slim 51/49 majority, it would take just two Republicans to flip for that nominee to be confirmed — unless the old filibuster rules are reinstated, in which case it would take 11. Why wouldn’t McConnell want to add that extra insurance?

Exit question: If the doomsday scenario comes to pass and Democrats end up controlling the White House and both houses of Congress in 2017, what’s the likelihood that Reid will go ahead and nuke the filibuster on legislation regardless of what McConnell does next year? One hundred percent, right?


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Yeah, Mitch always plays the long ball and 3D Chess….

d1carter on May 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Keep the filibuster: Gridlock isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

arik1969 on May 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Win, then play defense. SMH.

KCB on May 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Statist leftists play to win. That’s why we will always lose.

SirGawain on May 22, 2014 at 4:50 PM

I sent a donation to Grimes today. The turtle must go.LET IT BURN

Exninja on May 22, 2014 at 4:50 PM

I think he better worry about beating Grimes before setting his potential majority agenda.

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Thanks KY. Really, thank you.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Ughhhh, how about split up the country – socialists to the left, conservatives to the right…..

The liberal hellholes will continue to slide into the abyss of socialism….

Let them have it…..

The conservative part of the country should splinter off and tell them to piss up a rope.

redguy on May 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM

A fully Republican Congress would have an obligation to the party’s would-be 2016 presidential hopeful to avoid extreme positions that would damage GOP presidential chances, analysts say.

As it was foretold. Nothing will be done because DC leeches can’t stand risk.

nobar on May 22, 2014 at 4:52 PM

If Mitch is MajLeader, will he too ‘fill the tree’?
Goose/Gander.

Another Drew on May 22, 2014 at 4:52 PM

I know there’s a lot of posturing going on here, but what an idiot.

Labamigo on May 22, 2014 at 4:52 PM

What if the GOP takes the Presidency in 2016 and holds the Senate and House? Please tell me they’ll nuke the filibuster then.

Doughboy on May 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Even if the GOP takes back the Senate (ha!), you won’t be part of it, Mitch.

The gorgeous Grimes is in, and I’m glad your RINO butt is out, you barnacle.

MisterElephant on May 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM

I thought Obamacare was passed by reconciliation. Can it not be repealed the same way?

Occams Stubble on May 22, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Does anyone think for a minute that Harry would not change the rule back, in the lame duck session, if they lose the Senate?

meci on May 22, 2014 at 4:56 PM

If McConnell nukes that filibuster for legislation next year, all Reid has to do when he’s back in charge is say that he’s going to follow Republican precedent. The GOP minority will be completely locked out in the upper chamber with no grounds to complain.

And being able to whine, snivel, and complain will serve what end precisely?

Do you imagine that Reid, or the Democrats will care? Will the media? Will anyone?

The left isn’t playing by the same rules.

In fact they aren’t ‘playing’ at all. To them its war, and to the GOP its a game.

McConnell’s playing a long game in refusing to hand that opening to Reid.

Why does playing this Vulcan style long game, three-dimensional chess always end up with the right losing every time?

Gosh. Its almost as if its designed that way?

sharrukin on May 22, 2014 at 4:56 PM

I thought Obamacare was passed by reconciliation. Can it not be repealed the same way?

Occams Stubble on May 22, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Do you really think they intend to repeal the ACA?

DFCtomm on May 22, 2014 at 4:58 PM

I thought Obamacare was passed by reconciliation. Can it not be repealed the same way?

Occams Stubble on May 22, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Not the whole thing. Just the changes that the House made after passing the original Senate bill.

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Obama has a veto. The gauntlet has been thrown. If we need to change the rule to whatever we want if / when we have all 3 chambers we can do it.

To do it before then is just being the party of stupid.

Skipity on May 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM

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canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 5:01 PM

One hundred percent, right?

One must presume so. Very very close if not 100%

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Mitch isn’t going to hafta worry about this. If the repubics take the majority, Harry Weed will reverse the change just to stick it to the republics. Thereby put Mitch in the position to change it himself.

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canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Keep the filibuster: Gridlock isn’t a bug, it’s a feature.

arik1969 on May 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Perfectly said

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 5:03 PM

These people are idiots. Make them suffer under their own rules before going back to the old way!

NotCoach on May 22, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Mitch McConnell … consider the strategy at work here.

That’s were you lost me.

Really, “STRATEGY” coming from the shithead who has continually attacked the Republican Party’s conservative base, and whose main goal going forward is to “crush the Tea Party”? I seriously doubt there is any well thought out “strategy” here – with McConnell, you never know whose side he’s on – and he often doesn’t think past step one.

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canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 5:07 PM

These people are idiots. Make them suffer under their own rules before going back to the old way!

NotCoach on May 22, 2014 at 5:03 PM

Yeah, but they won’t suffer it until there’s a GOP president making judicial/executive appoinments they don’t like.

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 5:07 PM

For better or worse, I think MM wins his seat back in a few months. He’d be better than Grimey.

So we’ll probably see a lot more of him on these pages, we’d better prepare.

22044 on May 22, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Hey Mitch…counting your chickens before they hatch is very very stupid
More Dems showed up to vote for Grimes…50,000….I’m not sure you are paying attention

Pols live in a bubble wrapped in their power/corruption and don’t have a clue what the average voter is going through or what it’s like to work for a damn living

I’m sick to death of both parties

Redford on May 22, 2014 at 5:09 PM

mitch knows this is a moo point because even though his desprate effort to stop the teahadis in the primaries is succeeding the american people are smart enough to see that the tea-stapo’s agenda is the same as the gop’s agenda. mitch tries to play down his own extremism, but kentucky will know better. of course, grimes will be more gracious in victory than mcclownell deserves. she will be a great asset for majority leader reid’s team.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 22, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Obama has a veto. The gauntlet has been thrown. If we need to change the rule to whatever we want if / when we have all 3 chambers we can do it.

To do it before then is just being the party of stupid.

Skipity on May 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM

“Not this August, nor this September; you have this year to do what you like. Not next August, nor next September; that is still too soon . . . But the year after that, or perhaps the year after that they fight.”

sharrukin on May 22, 2014 at 5:13 PM

If we need to change the rule to whatever we want if / when we have all 3 chambers we can do it.

To do it before then is just being the party of stupid.

Skipity on May 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM

This kind of logic reminds me of the people who say “I’ll start living when I am skinnier, richer, more educated.. And then they walk out into traffic and get hit by a bus. The fact is if you keep waiting for something to happen; life is passing you by.

The deficit keeps on growing, and things keep on getting worse, but sure let’s just keep on waiting until the rino squishes can get all their power back so they can institute compassionate conservative spending 2.0.

melle1228 on May 22, 2014 at 5:13 PM

mitch knows this is a moo point because even though his desprate effort to stop the teahadis in the primaries is succeeding the american people are smart enough to see that the tea-stapo’s agenda is the same as the gop’s agenda. mitch tries to play down his own extremism, but kentucky will know better. of course, grimes will be more gracious in victory than mcclownell deserves. she will be a great asset for majority leader reid’s team.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 22, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Again, will somebody please lock his grandma’s basement door, and throw his meds down at him..

melle1228 on May 22, 2014 at 5:14 PM

The GOP won’t take back the senate. And there will be no red wave. There could and should be, but the party is too busy kicking conservatives in the teeth.

Jack_Burton on May 22, 2014 at 5:16 PM

For better or worse, I think MM wins his seat back in a few months. He’d be better than Grimey.

So we’ll probably see a lot more of him on these pages, we’d better prepare.

22044 on May 22, 2014 at 5:07 PM

There’s a part of me that hopes his race with Grimes is razor-thin close. Maybe even need a recount to get the final tally. Something to make him sweat. Not that he wouldn’t revert to being a douchebag upon claiming his majority leader status.

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 5:16 PM

were

Pork-Chop on May 22, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Where

Pork-Chop on May 22, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Yeah, right Mitch. That’s why you always cave. Another 0bama Republican.

All talk, no action.

I’ll believe it when I see it. You being senate majority leader.

You’re a “gutless wonder” except for when you are fighting your base. Then you want to crush them.

Jayrae on May 22, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Of course he’ll keep the filibuster. His whole intent is to move the GOP to the left and make it look like a “kinder gentler” version of the Democratic party.

He CAN NO LONGER fool conservatives into voting for squish candidates – he needs a new base that is favorable to expanding government – because expanding government EXPANDS HIS POWER!

“Goodbye Tea Party – Hello Amnesty voters!”

HondaV65 on May 22, 2014 at 5:18 PM

melle1228, you’re wrong.

Until Obama is gone, there’s 0 chance of any good legislation passing. Which means there’s 0 reason to make it easier to pass legislation. Let the Democrats spend 2015 and 2016 filibustering things, and reminding everyone what hypocrites they are.

Your argument doesn’t work. It would be like insisting someone should go on a diet, at a time when they’re strapped to a hospital bed with an IV feeding tube, and monitors that make sure the person gets 3000 calories a day, no matter how much, or how little, they eat. First you pull the tube, then you worry about the rest.

Greg Q on May 22, 2014 at 5:20 PM

McConnell’s playing a long game in refusing to hand that opening to Reid.

He’s been playing this long game since, what, the 1980s? I’m eager to see the game end.

Here is the true reason: McConnell has no interest in passing conservative measures. Therefore he will keep the requirement of 60 votes and then claim that they don’t have the votes to do anything.

JQA on May 22, 2014 at 5:20 PM

If he were a man … he’d do this …

“The Democrats eliminated the filibuster – and it’s gone until they bring it back – but I won’t.”

Harry Reid eliminated the filibuster – it should stay gone until the Democrats retake the Senate and decide they want to put it back in place.

We’re not gonna “undo” a generation of Democratic corruption and mishandling if we give them a filibuster to slow us down.

HondaV65 on May 22, 2014 at 5:21 PM

He’s been playing this long game since, what, the 1980s? I’m eager to see the game end.

JQA on May 22, 2014 at 5:20 PM

I saw the end of that movie.

**Spoiler Alert**

Mitch McConnel dies a rich man and his kids all grow up to be the “golden children” of great fortune. Meanwhile – your kid, my kid – is sold into economic slavery.

HondaV65 on May 22, 2014 at 5:23 PM

McConnell’s playing a long game …

It is always a long game.

It is never time for ideology.

We should go for the most electable.

Appeal to base (edge) in the primary; to the electorate (center)in the general.

If we do that, we’ll pay for it when we lose the ______.

Nothing. Ever. Changes.

Except the size of the Federal Leviathan. It grows by accretion.

M240H on May 22, 2014 at 5:24 PM

There’s a part of me that hopes his race with Grimes is razor-thin close. Maybe even need a recount to get the final tally. Something to make him sweat. Not that he wouldn’t revert to being a douchebag upon claiming his majority leader status.

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 5:16 PM

I’d like him to sweat, but hopefully not in that manner.

22044 on May 22, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Until Obama is gone…

Greg Q on May 22, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Bush and friends tried to push amnesty in 2006 before Obama was much of anything.

Obama cannot be blamed for everything.

sharrukin on May 22, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Greg Q on May 22, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Your argument reminds me of the guy who doesn’t want to cut off his nose to spite his face.

Melle is mad as hell at his nose. And he’s not gonna take it anymore!

Skipity on May 22, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I saw the end of that movie.

**Spoiler Alert**

Mitch McConnel dies a rich man and his kids all grow up to be the “golden children” of great fortune. Meanwhile – your kid, my kid – is sold into economic slavery.

HondaV65 on May 22, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Well done!

Jayrae on May 22, 2014 at 5:25 PM

America, I already miss you.

southsideironworks on May 22, 2014 at 5:28 PM

It’s a good strategy, it’s not like the Republicans are going to be in desperate need of breaking a Democratic filibuster to confirm an Obama court nominee. Might as well play the long game. And if we do win the Presidency in 2016 and keep the Senate, Republicans can always reconsider changing the filibuster rules.

Lawdawg86 on May 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Exit question you betcha Allah

cmsinaz on May 22, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Obvioulsy, ANY REPUB that voted to nominate mccon for yet another term is as stupid as an OBOZObot. Repubs in KY who keep mccon in power are every bit as despicable as those in AZ who keep McRINO in power.

MicahStone on May 22, 2014 at 5:32 PM

If Harry wins it back in 17 you know he’ll go full nuclear

cmsinaz on May 22, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Why not get rid of the filibuster for Senate bills too so that the GOP majority can pass whatever it wants? Two obvious reasons. One:

He’s a spineless crapweasel.

Two, more importantly:

He’s a incredibly spineless crapweasel.

Midas on May 22, 2014 at 5:36 PM

It’s a good strategy, it’s not like the Republicans are going to be in desperate need of breaking a Democratic filibuster to confirm an Obama court nominee. Might as well play the long game. And if we do win the Presidency in 2016 and keep the Senate, Republicans can always reconsider changing the filibuster rules.

Lawdawg86 on May 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Moderate Beltway GOP… Playing the “long game” since the 1960s.

JQA on May 22, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Exit question you betcha Allah

cmsinaz on May 22, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Agree 100%..:)

Dire Straits on May 22, 2014 at 5:37 PM

Let the Democrats spend 2015 and 2016 filibustering things, and reminding everyone what hypocrites they are.

Greg Q on May 22, 2014 at 5:20 PM

You say that as though you actually think it means anything, as though people haven’t already had ample enough evidence of the kind of craven hypocrites they are.

Midas on May 22, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Lawdawg86 on May 22, 2014 at 5:29 PM

I pretty much agree it is pretty good strategy..I never have agreed with being able to filibuster the POTUS choices to fill his administration..I do think you should be able to filibuster judicial appointees..:)

Dire Straits on May 22, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Real simple: The filibuster makes it harder to pass new laws.

New laws are bad at least until Obama’s out of office.

Any questions?

Skipity on May 22, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Does anyone think for a minute that Harry would not change the rule back, in the lame duck session, if they lose the Senate?

meci on May 22, 2014 at 4:56 PM

I searched the replies for ‘lame duck session’ because SOMEONE HAD TO HAVE SAID THIS!!

Duh. There is no question, and the MSM will trumpet how those darn R’s are messing with Senate rules if they implement the same rule change back.

Tard on May 22, 2014 at 5:43 PM

“Not this August, nor this September; you have this year to do what you like. Not next August, nor next September; that is still too soon . . . But the year after that, or perhaps the year after that they fight.”

sharrukin on May 22, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Why is it so hard to get this lesson across? They think that this time it’s going to be different.

DFCtomm on May 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Public Service Reminder:..There is no guarantee GOP will get Senate control..:)

Dire Straits on May 22, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Why is it so hard to get this lesson across? They think that this time it’s going to be different.

DFCtomm on May 22, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Hope springs eternal and living without any hope of change through the political process means facing some very difficult questions.

Embrace socialism, third party, or do what exactly?

There are no good choices, so they prefer to deny that there is any need for choosing.

sharrukin on May 22, 2014 at 5:49 PM

One thing I don’t get, though: Why not bring the filibuster back for presidential appointments too?

Because for MiniCave McConnell, obstructing the eeeeeeeeeevil “Tea Party” wing of his party-of-record is more important than obstructing the will of his opposition-of-record.

Steve Eggleston on May 22, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Ughhhh, how about split up the country – socialists to the left, conservatives to the right…..

Actually it’s: Corrupt-a-crats to the left of us, Re-pussy-cans to the right, here we are, stuck in the middle and screwed!

LouisianaLightning on May 22, 2014 at 5:55 PM

True to form. Now that the primary is over, we need to keep vilifying McConnell to make sure that the Democrat gets elected because we all know we aren’t REALLY conservatives, we are Democrats PRETENDING to be conservatives and our goal is to get Democrats elected and get real conservatives to help us do it.

Right?

crosspatch on May 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Chuck ‘em all out into the street. Get rid of ‘em. I don’t care who it is.

HiJack on May 22, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Obvioulsy, ANY REPUB that voted to nominate mccon for yet another term is as stupid as an OBOZObot. Repubs in KY who keep mccon in power are every bit as despicable as those in AZ who keep McRINO in power.

MicahStone on May 22, 2014 at 5:32 PM

And, Obviously, you don’t know how to stay on topic. We’re not talking about the KY primary(the politics and workings of which you know very little)or Grimes. The topic of the thread is what McConnell will do about filibusters if he is the majority leader.

shubalstearns on May 22, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Mitch McConnell: I’d prefer to leave the filibuster intact for Democrats next year if when we take back the Senate

Wade on May 22, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Now that the primary is over, we need to keep vilifying McConnell…

crosspatch on May 22, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Is there some reason the people who McConnell wants to punch in the nose should be charitably disposed towards him?

He is announcing he has no intention of doing a damn thing in office so why should anyone care if he occupies that office?

sharrukin on May 22, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Public Service Reminder:..There is no guarantee GOP will get Senate control..:)

Dire Straits on May 22, 2014 at 5:45 PM

*clears throat* Hm, Hmm…

Public Service Reminder:..There is no guarantee GOP will get Senate control for that matter keep the house or take the executive…; )

Good afternoon Dire!

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 6:04 PM

The Republican base ie the tea party needs to stay home on election day teach this and all RINOS a lesson

Thicklugdonkey on May 22, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Go to the post at 5:09pm above..Somebody slipped up..maybe..:)

Dire Straits on May 22, 2014 at 6:11 PM

The Republican base ie the tea party needs to stay home on election day teach this and all RINOS a lesson

Thicklugdonkey on May 22, 2014 at 6:04 PM

They did that in 2012 ..how’s that working out for you?

I blame them as much as liberal loons who voted for Obama

Redford on May 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Win, then play defense. SMH.

KCB on May 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

We didn’t win the White House though.

alchemist19 on May 22, 2014 at 6:14 PM

This kind of logic reminds me of the people who say “I’ll start living when I am skinnier, richer, more educated.. And then they walk out into traffic and get hit by a bus. The fact is if you keep waiting for something to happen; life is passing you by.

The deficit keeps on growing, and things keep on getting worse, but sure let’s just keep on waiting until the rino squishes can get all their power back so they can institute compassionate conservative spending 2.0.

melle1228 on May 22, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Will the deficit get any smaller or will things get any better if McConnell nukes the filibuster and the conservative changes that need to happen die on Obama’s desk? You’re conflating Bush’s failure when the GOP had power to enact their agenda with what McConnell might do when we don’t have that power. They’re different.

alchemist19 on May 22, 2014 at 6:18 PM

By their chins you will know them. Weak chins equal weak men.

neyney on May 22, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Obama has a veto. The gauntlet has been thrown. If we need to change the rule to whatever we want if / when we have all 3 chambers we can do it.

To do it before then is just being the party of stupid.

Skipity on May 22, 2014 at 5:00 PM

When we finally reach that “hill to die on,” you’ll let us know, right?

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 22, 2014 at 6:22 PM

When we finally reach that “hill to die on,” you’ll let us know, right?

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 22, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Only fight the battles you can win. So long as Obama is in the White House the filibuster makes no difference when it comes to getting our agenda enacted. You kill the filibuster when it’s the only thing standing in our way. Right now it’s far from that.

alchemist19 on May 22, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Mitch, why didn’t you just stop at “I’d prefer to leave.”

We’d prefer you did.

Jayrae on May 22, 2014 at 6:26 PM

When we finally reach that “hill to die on,” you’ll let us know, right?

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 22, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Only fight the battles you can win.

alchemist19 on May 22, 2014 at 6:24 PM

So far, that’s been indistinguishable from “Never fight any battles.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 22, 2014 at 6:28 PM

You’re conflating Bush’s failure when the GOP had power to enact their agenda with what McConnell might do when we don’t have that power. They’re different.

alchemist19 on May 22, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Mitch McConnell

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/301047-mcconnell-hopefully-of-passing-senate-immigration-reform-bill

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) on Tuesday said he would not try to block immigration reform from reaching the floor despite the opposition of some conservative leaders.

The green light from McConnell is a promising development for the 800-plus-page bill from the Gang of Eight that was unveiled at the beginning of the month.

While McConnell stopped short of pledging his support for the legislation, he praised the Gang of Eight’s work and said he is “hopeful” of passing a comprehensive immigration fix through the Senate.

John Boehner

http://www.speaker.gov/general/boehner-cpac-we-are-going-cut-100-billion-next-week

“The American people have directed us to cut spending. We will. And there’s no limit to the amount we’re willing to cut to help get our economy moving again. Let me be very clear about this: we are going to exceed our Pledge to America. We are going to cut $100 billion in discretionary spending next week. Write it down. $100 billion in discretionary spending. And we aren’t going to stop there.”

In fact it was less than 0.35% of what Boehner promised if that.

Boehner also supports amnesty.

They are actively pushing the leftist agenda so no she isn’t wrong in conflating the two. It is a party that claims to be conservative while pushing liberalism, in power, or out of power.

sharrukin on May 22, 2014 at 6:29 PM

They did that in 2012 ..how’s that working out for you?

I blame them as much as liberal loons who voted for Obama

Redford on May 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM

So what’s your strategy, other than maintaining the status quo? How has that status quo been working out for us lately?

DFCtomm on May 22, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Two, more importantly: It’s very likely that Democrats will be regain their Senate majority in 2017 and also quite possible that there’ll be a new Democratic president in office.

This is why Allahpundit is a poster boy for the Republican party. Negative, pessimistic, beta male, no balls and I am so much better than you because I live in New York, west coast, DC, blah, blah, blah… You bunch of losers I don’t care if what I write is depressing, I’m making money off of you!

Vince on May 22, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Actually. We need to get on board with the Republican establishment and get whoever isn’t a democrat elected. Then primary all of them, and I mean with brass balled conservatives. Make it local even in a national election. The majority of Americans are more conservative than liberal.

Vince on May 22, 2014 at 6:40 PM

So far, that’s been indistinguishable from “Never fight any battles.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 22, 2014 at 6:28 PM

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Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Two, more importantly: It’s very likely that Democrats will be regain their Senate majority in 2017 and also quite possible that there’ll be a new Democratic president in office.

That is only possible if the GOP screws u. . . nevermind.

NWConservative on May 22, 2014 at 6:52 PM

They did that in 2012 ..how’s that working out for you?

I blame them as much as liberal loons who voted for Obama

Redford on May 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM

I just love this argument from the GOP and their fluffers.

Its CONSERVATIVES’ fault Romney Inc couldn’t convince conservatives to vote for him.

Its REAGAN DEMOCRATS’ fault that Romney Inc couldn’t convince Reagan Dems to vote for him.

Its the PROGRESSIVE LEFT’S fault that Romney Inc couldn’t convince Prog Lefties to vote for him.

But its NEVER the fault of the squishy, principle-challenged Republican Party who consistantly fail to articulate any policies or positions that appeal to anyone but the “do anything to get elected” Merideths and the joanas of this country.

Since the GOP refuses to take responsibility for why they lost in 2012 (except they think Hispanix!!) then there’s not much chance they’ll do any better in 2016. Too bad- I would have liked to vote for someone (named Cruz or Perry) for President.

Dolce Far Niente on May 22, 2014 at 7:02 PM

So far, that’s been indistinguishable from “Never fight any battles.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 22, 2014 at 6:28 PM

You’re doing the same thing melle did: conflating the mistakes of the squandered Bush regime with the still-relatively powerless state we would be in if we took the Senate in the fall midterms. If Harry Reid gets his wish and President Cruz takes office in 2017 then we can think about getting rid of the filibuster because then we will really be in the power to enact our agenda. But unless we win veto-proof majorities in both houses in the coming midterms we won’t have the political power necessary to force anything, especially with a lame duck in the White House.

Let me put it to you this way: Imagine the Republicans hold their House majority (or even expand it slightly), the GOP sweeps the competitive Senate races and retakes the chamber and McConnell does away with the filibuster en toto. Which pieces of legislation do you expect to be enacted that would not otherwise have been enacted if McConnell hadn’t gotten rid of the filibuster?

alchemist19 on May 22, 2014 at 7:21 PM

This is why Allahpundit is a poster boy for the Republican party. Negative, pessimistic, beta male, no balls and I am so much better than you because I live in New York, west coast, DC, blah, blah, blah… You bunch of losers I don’t care if what I write is depressing, I’m making money off of you!

Vince on May 22, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Have you seen the Senate map for 2016?

alchemist19 on May 22, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Let’s see if I have understood the author correctly.

If Republicans take the Senate and hold on to the House:

1. Obama will veto any conservative initiatives they push through plus

2. Republicans have to be careful to not push for anything too conservative that might dampen support for the Republican presidential candidate in 2016 plus

3. Republicans are likely to lose the Senate majority in the 2016 election and will likely lose the presidential election as well.

So I guess all that remains is for Republicans to ask Harry and Nancy what legislation they want to see and adopt that as their own agenda. Of course given Republican leaders craving for an amnesty bill that was probably going to happen anyway.

Nomas on May 22, 2014 at 7:29 PM

They did that in 2012 ..how’s that working out for you?

I blame them as much as liberal loons who voted for Obama

Redford on May 22, 2014 at 6:12 PM

I just love this argument from the GOP and their fluffers.

Its CONSERVATIVES’ fault Romney Inc couldn’t convince conservatives to vote for him.

Its REAGAN DEMOCRATS’ fault that Romney Inc couldn’t convince Reagan Dems to vote for him.

Its the PROGRESSIVE LEFT’S fault that Romney Inc couldn’t convince Prog Lefties to vote for him.

But its NEVER the fault of the squishy, principle-challenged Republican Party who consistantly fail to articulate any policies or positions that appeal to anyone but the “do anything to get elected” Merideths and the joanas of this country.

Since the GOP refuses to take responsibility for why they lost in 2012 (except they think Hispanix!!) then there’s not much chance they’ll do any better in 2016. Too bad- I would have liked to vote for someone (named Cruz or Perry) for President.

Dolce Far Niente on May 22, 2014 at 7:02 PM

Your right wing ideology is ok that a liberal loon is elected over a GOP candidate, therefore, you stay at home? It’s ok that Obama has succeeded in fundamentally changing the country to where more than half are on the government dole? You live in a bubble. And for the record, Ted Cruz would lose worse than Mondale did. Count on it. And he’s not running anyway…just to the bank on book sales

Redford on May 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM

We in flyover country need to realize that it is about showing those who think they can keep their elite status by dividing us realize thst we are not gonna humor them by playing their political games snymore…we the people will make our voices heard by only boting for the people that reflect our values because as long as they think we can be forced into making a choice between the lesser of two evils in order to get our way they will ignore us…we gotta show them that we have the character to not buy into the dem repub lie anymore because we are tired of just swinging back and forth between the two and getting the same result…we are ready to shuffle the deck and start by ignoring them and building a platform that we the silent majority will support and elect representatives that represent we the people in congress that is the only way they will notice we don’t like what they are doing. Even if we have loose an election or two we have to begin by showing the political class they don’t represent us and we are not gonna send them to Washington unless they represent us…they just believe its either r or d not that we cant rise up as a country and throw all the bums out since they think we can’t understand the issues do we will always keep them in power. For me it starts now….my vote goes to the person that realizes I would rather be in the minority on principle than be in the majority and keep sending these same losers back and expecting them to wprk on solving the problems of the american people . Get rid of the r and and build a party from the grassroots up #remembertheconstitution

redyoshii on May 22, 2014 at 8:05 PM

True to form. Now that the primary is over, we need to keep vilifying McConnell to make sure that the Democrat gets elected because we all know we aren’t REALLY conservatives, we are Democrats PRETENDING to be conservatives and our goal is to get Democrats elected and get real conservatives to help us do it.

Right?

crosspatch

Of course not,silly. We should reward McConnell and every other Republican candidate that keeps screwing us. That’ll teach ‘em a lesson.

I blame them as much as liberal loons who voted for Obama

Redford

Of course you do. We couldn’t possibly blame the politicians who keep doing things that make us not want to vote for them. That’s crazy thinking.

You’re conflating Bush’s failure when the GOP had power to enact their agenda with what McConnell might do when we don’t have that power. They’re different.

alchemist19

McConnell as senate minority leader has plenty of power to oppose legislation, amnesty included. Instead, he recruited Rubio to be the spokesman for Chuck Schumer and several liberal front groups to try and convince republicans to accept amnesty.

Nice try though.

xblade on May 22, 2014 at 8:09 PM

If McConnell nukes that filibuster for legislation next year, all Reid has to do when he’s back in charge is say that he’s going to follow Republican precedent. The GOP minority will be completely locked out in the upper chamber with no grounds to complain.

Very weak AP.

Reid ignored precedent when he fired the first filibuster nuke. Why would precedent matter to him? Also, when the locked out GOP minority complained with grounds, it got them nothing, except for maybe a smirk.

I expected better analysis than this.

percysunshine on May 22, 2014 at 8:49 PM

…I hope Mitch dies!

KOOLAID2 on May 22, 2014 at 9:31 PM

McConnell as senate minority leader has plenty of power to oppose legislation, amnesty included. Instead, he recruited Rubio to be the spokesman for Chuck Schumer and several liberal front groups to try and convince republicans to accept amnesty.

Nice try though.

xblade on May 22, 2014 at 8:09 PM

We aren’t talking about what power a minority has to oppose legislation, we’re talking about what the majority can do to pass it with an oppositional president.

I would say what you did was a nice try to confuse the issue, but it wasn’t. Changing the filibuster rules and the tactics being used in the immigration debate have nothing more in common than the fact they both happen in the Senate; your attempt to link them is disingenuous.

alchemist19 on May 22, 2014 at 10:23 PM

So, McConnell would rather lead on what-ifs instead of leading. I’m shocked.

SouthernGent on May 22, 2014 at 10:45 PM

First off your

Exit question:

answers your question why Mitch the generous should just press forward anyway and get what he can when he can.

Dems winnin in 17′ well if the stupid party continues on this path not even trying to use their majorities to do anything they yes they will. However if they ACTUALLY tried to use their power people would turn out for them and 17 would just be a multiple.

FORCE O TO VETO ALL THE BALANCED BUDGETS O RECALL ETC… THEN SCREAM UNTIL 17′ WE DID OUR PART IF AMERICA WANTS IT GET THIS CLOWN OUT. Wanna talk about a mandate yes that would be one.

C-Low on May 22, 2014 at 11:00 PM

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