Harry Reid: Let’s pass immigration reform now and wait for President Cruz to enforce it in 2017

posted at 4:01 pm on May 22, 2014 by Allahpundit

Dude, I think we should take this deal.

If that sounds familiar, it’s because Chuck Schumer floated the same idea back in February, minus the trollishly sarcastic reference to President Cruz. It’s a clever way of calling Boehner’s bluff when he complains that Republicans can’t pass anything until Obama proves that he can be trusted to faithfully execute new border-security laws. No problem, say Reid and Schumer; we’ll add a provision to the new law that says it doesn’t take effect until January 20, 2017. That solves your Obama problem in one fell swoop and leaves it to the next president. And if Republicans balk at that idea, Dems can point to it as proof that not only is the “we don’t trust Obama” excuse bogus but that the GOP evidently has little confidence that it’ll be back in the White House in 2017. Beyond all that, Reid and Schumer know a dirty little secret about Republicans: Even if 2016 produced a huge red wave, with Ted Cruz in the White House and the GOP in charge of both houses of Congress, they wouldn’t dare repeal an amnesty bill that passed this year. They might “tweak” it a bit to further beef up security measures or extend the path to citizenship marginally, but there’s no earthly way a party that’s desperate to appeal to Latinos is going to pull the rug out from under them later by rescinding its big outreach gesture on immigration. And that’s why, I think, Reid pointedly mentioned Cruz in his tweet. Even if you righties got your dream candidate, he’s saying, he’s going to let you down on amnesty too.

So why, if this is such a clever play, haven’t Reid and Schumer been more insistent in pushing it over the last three months? Because, I suspect, their own base is too dumb and too impatient to back them up on it. They don’t want to wait until 2017; these are the same people, remember, who’ve convinced themselves that Obama is the “deporter-in-chief” despite ample evidence to the contrary. The White House is sufficiently worried about losing them that O’s on the brink of using executive action to soften DHS’s deportation policy, a risky move that could shatter Boehner’s hopes of passing an immigration bill for good. If amnesty fans breathed into a paper bag and took a hard look at the political landscape, they’d see that everything’s in their favor. Demographic shifts in the electorate have left the GOP petrified of opposing reform indefinitely; in fact, I bet Reid and Schumer suspect that even if a bill passed now that delayed enforcement until 2017, Dems might be able to demagogue congressional Republicans later into agreeing to speed up implementation so that it begins sooner. If Democrats started pounding the table in, say, January 2016, screaming that legalization and “coming out of the shadows” simply can’t wait another year to begin, how many Republicans would swallow hard, imagining a huge Latino backlash in November of that year if the GOP puts up a fight, and agree to go along? For all the blather about conservatives tying Boehner’s hands, soft-headed lefties who aren’t as strategically sharp as Reid and Schumer are making their lives harder too.

In case there’s any doubt of the magnitude of Reid’s trollishness in his tweet, here he is last year commenting on the prospect of President Cruz.


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Dear God, please make them stop flukeing that chicken.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM

brilliant.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Fluke Harry too, into utmost oblivion.

The 20th layer in Hell is too cool for him.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Lolz! He may not like the fit.

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM

Harry Koch, trying to troll. Don’t feed him.

22044 on May 22, 2014 at 4:06 PM

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM

I’ve been a reader since 2009. I want those trolls back, these newfangled ones suck.

nobar on May 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Harry, you’re slipping badly. You didn’t manage to work a Koch Brothers reference into either of those tweets. I’m really disappointed.

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM

brilliant.

ThisIsYourBrainOnKoch on May 22, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Agreed! Cruz will make an excellent POTUS !!!

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM

ROFL! He’s really turning himself into a national joke, isn’t he?

If Repubs pass this bill, there won’t be a President Cruz.

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Cruz should be running to the Senate floor to thank Harry Reid for his endorsement and ask him to campaign for him in Nevada.

Curmudgeon on May 22, 2014 at 4:08 PM

How about this :
This jihady just STFU about amnesty ,
and
let President Cruz make and enforce HIS immigration laws in 2017

burrata on May 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Alternate headline: “Harry Reid Endorses Ted Cruz”

Alberta_Patriot on May 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Sounds good. We’ll wait till 2017 and pass a bill. If it looks good to President Cruz, it looks good to me, and he’ll sign it into law.

crrr6 on May 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Bad news for Harry and his “good billionaire, Adelson”…NO RCP convention in Vegas in 2016.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

So tired of this amnesty crap. Why can’t we just enforce the borders first then deal with it? Oh yeah, because neither side wants to secure the border.

Jack_Burton on May 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

The argument being made that without granting amnesty, thereby massively increasing the Hispanic vote, will result in losing the Hispanic vote is like saying you need to throw gasoline on your burning house.

The demographic shift is supposedly not favoring the GOP so they want to accelerate the unfavorable trend?

In what world does this make sense?

If the GOP is worried about the demographics then enforce the laws and stop the invasion and the resulting demographic change.

Charlemagne on May 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

It’s a clever way of calling Boehner’s bluff when he complains that Republicans can’t pass anything until Obama proves that he can be trusted to faithfully execute new border-security laws. No problem, say Reid and Schumer; we’ll add a provision to the new law that says it doesn’t take effect until January 20, 2017. That solves your Obama problem in one fell swoop and leaves it to the next president. And if Republicans balk at that idea, Dems can point to it as proof that not only is the “we don’t trust Obama” excuse bogus but that the GOP evidently has little confidence that it’ll be back in the White House in 2017.

Or maybe it just proves that the GOP thinks that the Democrats all have equal contempt for the rule of law. Given their endorsement of a “living Constitution,” that seems fairly accurate.

Stoic Patriot on May 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

How about they pass the bill on the contingent of a President Cruz?

BKeyser on May 22, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Alternate headline: “Harry Reid Endorses Ted Cruz”

Alberta_Patriot on May 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Maybe we will finally get the infamous Indie voters.

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:11 PM

If Obama can change “effective” dates of health care law without congressional approval … then why couldn’t he have comprehensive immigration take effect earlier than congress planned?

It’s not that we don’t trust Obama to enforce the border – it’s that we don’t trust him not to unilaterally change laws.

HondaV65 on May 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM

BKeyser on May 22, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Perfect! ; )

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:12 PM

There should be Reid Endorses Ted Cruz headlines all over right-leaning sites, just to troll them back.

SailorMark on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

President Cruz

That sounds so nice. It has a great ring to it. I’m not sure Reid will be around too see it. I’m Koch sure he’s mentally starting to circle the drain.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

I know this is not popular to say – but if the GOP does not get engaged in this conversation we will be run over by Obama and Democrats – and then we will only have ourselves to blame for the end result.

The GOP is not in charge – we better find a way to play some role in this.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

The recent revelation that the Obama administration had released more than 36,000 illegal immigrants who had been convicted of other crimes should be the brightest red flag yet for those who claim to want to improve the laws that supposedly protect our borders.

That the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency freed the prisoners is further proof of a move toward backdoor amnesty for illegal immigrants. The occasion of the publication of that information could well come to be known as the day immigration reform died.

Pray that it be so.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Alberta_Patriot on May 22, 2014 at 4:09 PM

D’oh! Didn’t see….

SailorMark on May 22, 2014 at 4:14 PM

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Waiting for joana

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:15 PM

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

…and terryannonline…and Meredith…and all the other DIABLOs.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I know this is not popular to say – but if the GOP does not get engaged in this conversation we will be run over by Obama and Democrats – and then we will only have ourselves to blame for the end result.

The GOP is not in charge – we better find a way to play some role in this.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Should we reach across that aisle?

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I know this is not popular to say – but if the GOP does not get engaged in this conversation we will be run over by Obama and Democrats – and then we will only have ourselves to blame for the end result.

The GOP is not in charge – we better find a way to play some role in this.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

“There you go again.”

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Reid is afraid to lose pro-amnesty radicals? To whom exactly?

This analysis is crazy. He doesn’t push it because it’s a weirdly sounding idea. For example, he opens himself to a charge that it’s all games for him, and he think that 5 years of living in “horror” or “terror”, or whatever is nothing to him.

He doesn’t need to push for this thing. He feels he’s on the right side of this debate politically. The other side has nothing coherent to offer, so he can milk this thing forever, while looking impatient forever. If and when this gravy train comes to a stop (amnesty happens), they’ll switch to something else. No need to rush.

PBH on May 22, 2014 at 4:16 PM

I know this is not popular to say – but if the GOP does not get engaged in this conversation we will be run over by Obama and Democrats – and then we will only have ourselves to blame for the end result.

The GOP is not in charge – we better find a way to play some role in this.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

I’ve got an idea for the role of the GOP: scuttling the debacle.

Stoic Patriot on May 22, 2014 at 4:16 PM

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

The GOPe is up to their necks in this conversation…at the risk of driving off their base, I might mention.

What more do you want?

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Should we reach across that aisle?

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I honestly have zero answers – I just know we have to get engaged – even if only to gum up the works until after the mid terms.

You can’t score – or foul – sitting on the bench.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:18 PM

What more do you want?

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 4:17 PM

I’d like to see a comprehensive proposal.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Should we reach across that aisle?

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I honestly have zero answers – I just know we have to get engaged – even if only to gum up the works until after the mid terms.

You can’t score – or foul – sitting on the bench.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:17 PM

Understood. They cannot do shit without the house.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Understood. They cannot do shit without the house.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

I hope that’s true -

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

If Dims were to hold Senate and take the house, with Cruz as President. Would he shut down the government? You’re damn right he would. My bet anyway.

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

BTW, have we heard from any ANY Republican ( I know it’s impossible for a Democrat to even think in such terms) but anyhow,
has any Republican openly stated something as simple as
” My allegiance is to this country and it’s people and not to our enemies”
???
Why don’t we hear some straight talk from patriotic Americans anymore on this issue ?

burrata on May 22, 2014 at 4:20 PM

I see Harry is trying to galvanize that 3% of the population that cares about everything else other than the economy.

Good luck with that you stupid idiot.

Turtle317 on May 22, 2014 at 4:21 PM

If Dims were to hold Senate and take the house, with Cruz as President. Would he shut down the government? You’re damn right he would. My bet anyway.

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

IMO

Cruz will not win the nomination, thus the White House
The Democrats may hold or then win the Senate
The GOP will hold the House

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:21 PM

They haven’t been pushing this line of attack much because they don’t actually want to pass immigration reform, they want to be able to blame Republicans for stopping immigration reform.

sandbun on May 22, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Why don’t we hear some straight talk from patriotic Americans anymore on this issue ?

burrata on May 22, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Fear mostly

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

The demographic shift is supposedly not favoring the GOP so they want to accelerate the unfavorable trend?

In what world does this make sense?

If the GOP is worried about the demographics then enforce the laws and stop the invasion and the resulting demographic change.

Charlemagne on May 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Ya wanna know why the GOP Ayatollah’s (the RINOS) want amnesty?

It’s because they need a new base farther to the left.

They’ve hit the rails with the base and losing conservative support. They can either (a) Start giving conservatives what they want – which is smaller government or (b) Appeal to some other base besides conservatives.

(A) is out of the question – because smaller government means less power in DC for the Ayatollahs. They don’t want any part of that.

(B) is the “home run” for them – because they can have their cake and eat it too. If they can make a fundamental shift to the left and pick up a new voting block – they’ll be all over it.

Yeah sure – Hispanics vote Democrat – but they aren’t necessarily LIBERAL. Hispanics don’t, by and large, support things like gay marriage and, of all the demographics in America right now – it’s Hispanics that want the drug laws enforced more forcefully.

So there is some “play” there – to pull Hispanics away from the Democratic party – but the GOP would have to move LEFT to do it.

YOU GUYS THINK that the GOP is done for – if amnesty is passed. Heheh … Nay! Nay! Sweet Toads!

The GOP will then take that NEW EMERGING MAJORITY and turn it into THEIR NEW BASE – by promising them lots of free shit.

This allows the GOP to move to the left and continue to support ever expanding government – increasingly consolidating all power in Washington, DC. It also gets the RINO’s away from having to “kow-tow” to Tea Party “Scumbags”.

THAT’S THE STRATEGY. They GOP doesn’t plan on losing votes – only DILUTING the power of conservatives!

Otherwise – why would they do this? Watch and see – amnesty will pass and the GOP with then start to tell the Tea Party to go “fu*k yourselves – we got new voters and we’re buying their votes with FREE SHIT!”

HondaV65 on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Understood. They cannot do shit without the house.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

I hope that’s true -

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:19 PM

The pen and phone have already halted many deportations. It’s releasing criminal illegal aliens. And, you want our side to help them? You have no idea.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

If Republicans don’t trust President Obama to enforce a new immigration law, let’s give them a chance to implement it under President Cruz.

LOL Harry!!! Really….

Heh, President Cruz will undo as much as Obama’s shhit as he can in 8 years….

Actually – President Cruz in 2020 will have enough power to get two more terms and totally wipe out the progressive movement.

The liberals really have to see that Obama in 2012 was their high scum mark…..

And where the progressive movement really flucked up was in electing Obama in 2008…..

They should have elected Hillary first and locked up the house and Senate so President Obama could have ruled the roost from 2016-2024…..that would have given them the time to wipe out the conservatives. Obama got greedy and now the whole progressive movement is doomed.

redguy on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Rs still have a base problem, says a leftist rag…must be true then.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:23 PM

HondaV65 on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

That is a great post – not with you all the way – but you thought that out.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:24 PM

The pen and phone have already halted many deportations. It’s releasing criminal illegal aliens. And, you want our side to help them? You have no idea.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

CIA – criminal illegal aliens – will also doom the progressives…..local law enforcement bears the brunt of this progressive policy clusterfark….

redguy on May 22, 2014 at 4:24 PM

And, you want our side to help them? You have no idea.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

I do not see the dire predictions others see.

I also know when it’s time to get in the game and make a difference.

I also know – I have been wrong before – maybe I am again.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:25 PM

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:21 PM

jake, this is all just fantasy land bs. Live a little. Take some creative license for a change. WE have Dingy Harrys endorsement! Cruz must be clean and articulate! Its a sure fire win!

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:27 PM

The real issue is that no future Democratic President will comply with the enforcement measures. Not Hillary, certainly not Biden, or Warren.

WisRich on May 22, 2014 at 4:28 PM

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:23 PM

Background info for reference….ICE memo that kicked it all off for prosecutorial discretion

If you’ve already got it, great! If not, use it in good health.

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 4:28 PM

jake, this is all just fantasy land bs. Live a little. Take some creative license for a change. WE have Dingy Harrys endorsement! Cruz must be clean and articulate! Its a sure fire win!

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:27 PM

We just disagree – or more accurately – we just see the world very differently.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM

It’s the economy, stupid…

Harry: SQUIRREL!! (while inadvertently endorsing Cruz for Prez.)

Turtle317 on May 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM

HeIIfire, we can do anything we like. Reid has our wing. He will cover for us for sure.

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Thank you, lh.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:30 PM

And, you want our side to help them? You have no idea.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

I do not see the dire predictions others see.

I also know when it’s time to get in the game and make a difference.

I also know – I have been wrong before – maybe I am again.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:25 PM

I honestly have zero answers – I just know we have to get engaged – even if only to gum up the works until after the mid terms.

You can’t score – or foul – sitting on the bench.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:17 PM

You see nothing. You have zero answers. You just want to do something. I’m beginning to believe Claire McCaskell is posts here.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:30 PM

You see nothing. You have zero answers. You just want to do something. I’m beginning to believe Claire McCaskell is posts here.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:30 PM

I have answers – I posted many of them many times – but in a tough subject like this one – it can be difficult for people to listen to anything that is not black and white.

This is the toughest subject of the day for our side to discuss.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:32 PM

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Do we now? Completely? Or just a wee bit?

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Fear mostly

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:22 PM

What a pathetic bunch of shameless sissies who want so desperately to fit in , that they lose their ability to think and speak clearly.

burrata on May 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Son of a B*tch,

Harry Reid has a freaggin time machine,
or, a bunch of Progressive Remote Viewers!!

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM

The Republicans should reply with…

Here’s a bill repealing Obamacare that takes effect on Jan 20th 2017. If you think Democrats will hold on to the WH, you shouldn’t have any problem passing it.

dominigan on May 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Harry Reid Endorsement,


Cruz/Palin/2016
(snark)

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:36 PM

I hope Dingy gets the help he so desperately needs…they don’t call him Dingy for nothing.

d1carter on May 22, 2014 at 4:37 PM

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Bmore:Hehe,..

…WTF-WTH,…Harry Reid always seems to be a Political Step Ahead,..its maddening,..no,..madness!:)

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:37 PM

You see nothing. You have zero answers. You just want to do something. I’m beginning to believe Claire McCaskell is posts here.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:30 PM

I have answers – I posted many of them many times – but in a tough subject like this one – it can be difficult for people to listen to anything that is not black and white.

This is the toughest subject of the day for our side to discuss.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Following the law is not tough. It is black and white for a reason. It’s only tough when pastel, jelly spined worms start wringing their hands.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:37 PM

We currently have no visa allowance for entrepreneurs, the most innovative people around the world are starting companies and creating jobs elsewhere. Meanwhile, other countries understand that entrepreneurs are an economic necessity. While we actively turn away future CEOs, the rest of the world is offering incentives to attract new businesses.

This is one example of a single vertical immigration topic no one is able to discuss – because both sides are locked in polar opposite positions.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:37 PM

I know this is not popular to say – but if the GOP does not get engaged in this conversation we will be run over by Obama and Democrats – and then we will only have ourselves to blame for the end result.

The GOP is not in charge – we better find a way to play some role in this.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Yes, like all good little”0bama Republicans” lets keep addressing the 0bama agenda and forget about winning.

Why are we even talking about illegal immigration?

Americans are totally pissed off about 0bamacare. Why isn’t the Stupid Party capitalizing on this and shoving the law’s unpopularity in 0bama’s and his progressive’s parties face?

Because the 0bama Republicans corporate masters, the US Chamber of Corrupt Crony Capitalism, told them to do so.

Jayrae on May 22, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Son of a B*tch,

Harry Reid has a freaggin time machine,
or, a bunch of Progressive Remote Viewers!!

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Flux Capacitor.

KCB on May 22, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Because the 0bama Republicans corporate masters, the US Chamber of Corrupt Crony Capitalism, told them to do so.

Jayrae on May 22, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Follow the money.

KCB on May 22, 2014 at 4:39 PM

It’s only tough when pastel, jelly spined worms start wringing their hands.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:37 PM

With all due respect – you not very articulate on this subject. IMO

But I hope even you would agree – your entitled to your opinions.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Americans are totally pissed off about 0bamacare. Why isn’t the Stupid Party capitalizing on this and shoving the law’s unpopularity in 0bama’s and his progressive’s parties face?

Jayrae on May 22, 2014 at 4:38 PM

On that – we both agree

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Bad news for Harry and his “good billionaire, Adelson”…NO RCP convention in Vegas in 2016.

Schadenfreude on May 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Good. Republicans should announce that they have turned down Las Vegas because of Dingy’s syphilitic ranting.

slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Harry Reid: Let’s pass immigration reform now and wait

In Boehners voice:

H*ll No!!!

In VP Cheneys Voice:

“Go F**K Yourself”!!
(snark)

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I think that in 2009, the sole reason they rushed and deemed that damn jiziaCAIR law was the same one Hairy Greed has just trolled about amnesty.
In 2009, their logic was if we lose in 2012, let the other guy implement it. They were not even prepared about enforcing jiziahCAIR in 2009 because they were not sure if they would be around 5 years later.

burrata on May 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

It’s only tough when pastel, jelly spined worms start wringing their hands.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:37 PM

With all due respect – you not very articulate on this subject. IMO

But I hope even you would agree – your entitled to your opinions.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:40 PM

I’m not very articulate on this subject because I believe in following the law?
And, it’s you’re as in you are entitled to your opinions, Mr. Articulate.

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Make a counteroffer.

1. Don’t pass a single thing even remotely related to amnesty
2. Throw Reid out of his position this November
3. Elect Cruz president in 2016
4. Starting in Jan. 2017, repeal every motherfluking law, executive order, ordinance, regulation, proclamation, bull or statement signed by Barack Obama

What do you think, Harry?

spiritof61 on May 22, 2014 at 4:43 PM

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Flux Capacitor.

KCB on May 22, 2014 at 4:38 PM

KCB:

Lol,..gawd, it better be fueled by bio-fuel,..or Harry is going to
have a Cat0strophic CatInipTion fit!!:)

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:43 PM

No? Well I guess we will just wait until the GOPe fights back. Gonna be a long wait with the current crop of progressive R’s at the helm. Whigs.

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Doing alright Cheese Wheel? ; )

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:45 PM

We have completely outgrown the visa programs we have now. In high-skilled industries such as engineering and medicine, we do not have the talent pool we need to fill the jobs. These industries are the fastest growing in the country and we depend on them for job creation and economic growth. We have a shortage of more than 235,000 jobs in science, technology, engineering and math fields by 2018. This is the source of many people complaining about business push amnesty – they are not – they are asking for Visa reform – not exactly a left wing idea.

On the other end of the labor market, we face challenges as well. Visa limits for seasonal workers, such as those needed by farmers, cannot keep up with demand. And those visas that are available are too cumbersome, complex and cost prohibitive for many employers to use. That means fewer fruits and vegetables per season, lost revenue and an increased reliance on imports, many of which are not subject to the same level of health regulations as our homegrown crops.

By instituting worker visa programs that adequately address our farm labor demands, we can keep American agriculture strong.

With a rational visa policy, we also improve security by allowing border security agents to devote their attention where it is most needed — keeping out law-breakers, drug dealers, criminals and terrorists.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:45 PM

It’s a clever way of calling Boehner’s bluff when he complains that Republicans can’t pass anything until Obama proves that he can be trusted to faithfully execute new border-security laws. No problem, say Reid and Schumer; we’ll add a provision to the new law that says it doesn’t take effect until January 20, 2017.

That solves your Obama problem in one fell swoop and leaves it to the next president. And if Republicans balk at that idea, Dems can point to it as proof that not only is the “we don’t trust Obama” excuse bogus but that the GOP evidently has little confidence that it’ll be back in the White House in 2017.

Response to this seems simple to me: Obama has no problem ignoring provisions he doesn’t like in specific laws passed by Congress, particularly those dealing with implementation (how ’bout that employer mandate baby!). Why would the GOP think he’d abide by this? Over to you, vile Harry.

dorkintheroad on May 22, 2014 at 4:45 PM

This is one example of a single vertical immigration topic no one is able to discuss – because both sides are locked in polar opposite positions.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:37 PM

We have millions of Americans that are out of work. Corporations let them go when they knew 0bama would be elected in 2008. Those that kept their jobs now had to do the work of 1 and /2 people.

Now instead of hiring those people back the rat bastid corporations don’t want to pay these people for their experience. They’d rather low ball some immigrant and screw an American out of a position.

I wish it happens to you because you are so wonderfully compassionate.

Some American doesn’t know how he is going to feed his family and keep a roof over their head but you are concerned about the world.

Jayrae on May 22, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Make a counteroffer.

1. Don’t pass a single thing even remotely related to amnesty
2. Throw Reid out of his position this November
3. Elect Cruz president in 2016
4. Starting in Jan. 2017, repeal every motherfluking law, executive order, ordinance, regulation, proclamation, bull or statement signed by Barack Obama

spiritof61 on May 22, 2014 at 4:43 PM

Not bad

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Doing alright Cheese Wheel? ; )

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Very well, Bmore. And you?

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Simple. Pass a border security bill. Nothing else. Sit back and watch. It will go nowhere just like it would if it were part an amnesty bill.

Repubs are not stupid enough to believe their own lie that they must pass amnesty to win votes. They are thinking short term, which is to please their masters at the chamber of commerce. This will make them all so wealthy that they will live like kings long after the republican party has disappeared and we have become a third world nation.

Exninja on May 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Nuclear Option: Act unilaterally

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Schumer: Obama will act on immigration if GOP doesn’t

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Senate Democratic leaders say President Obama will act unilaterally to reform the nation’s immigration system if House Republicans fail to pass legislation by the end of July.

“They have about a six-week window, from June 10 after the last Republican primary until the August recess. If they don’t pass immigration reform them, the president will have no choice but to act on his own,” said Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third-ranking Senate Democratic leader and author of the comprehensive Senate immigration reform proposal.

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canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:48 PM

You know what would be really rich is if Cruz actually does get elected to the presidency in 2016 and abolishes Obamacare by executive order. Can you just imagine the reaction :-)

Dan_NV on May 22, 2014 at 4:49 PM

I thought Cruz had the onset of dementia? Seems to know who the next POTUS will be.

RWRFAN on May 22, 2014 at 4:50 PM

We have completely outgrown the visa programs we have now. In high-skilled industries such as engineering and medicine, we do not have the talent pool we need to fill the jobs. These industries are the fastest growing in the country and we depend on them for job creation and economic growth. We have a shortage of more than 235,000 jobs in science, technology, engineering and math fields by 2018. This is the source of many people complaining about business push amnesty – they are not – they are asking for Visa reform – not exactly a left wing idea.

On the other end of the labor market, we face challenges as well. Visa limits for seasonal workers, such as those needed by farmers, cannot keep up with demand. And those visas that are available are too cumbersome, complex and cost prohibitive for many employers to use. That means fewer fruits and vegetables per season, lost revenue and an increased reliance on imports, many of which are not subject to the same level of health regulations as our homegrown crops.

By instituting worker visa programs that adequately address our farm labor demands, we can keep American agriculture strong.

With a rational visa policy, we also improve security by allowing border security agents to devote their attention where it is most needed — keeping out law-breakers, drug dealers, criminals and terrorists.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:45 PM

A) you’re an imbecile
B) you’re wrong
C) You need a size 16 boot up your a$$ far enough for you to taste the shoelaces.

oscarwilde on May 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM

A) you’re an imbecile
B) you’re wrong
C) You need a size 16 boot up your a$$ far enough for you to taste the shoelaces.

oscarwilde on May 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM

And you – I suspect – are fun at parties….

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM

MeanWhile,….It Begins:

Veterans Affairs hospitals secret waiting lists allegations
11m
Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., becomes 1st member of House GOP leadership to call for Department of Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki to resign – @dnewhauser
see original on twitter.com

https://twitter.com/dnewhauser

canopfor on May 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM

A) you’re an imbecile
B) you’re wrong
C) You need a size 16 boot up your a$$ far enough for you to taste the shoelaces.

oscarwilde on May 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM

Just occurred to me – you made it all the way to the Letter ‘C’

Well done.

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:54 PM

oscarwilde on May 22, 2014 at 4:51 PM

And you – I suspect – are fun at parties….

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:53 PM

You have no idea RINO boy…

oscarwilde on May 22, 2014 at 4:54 PM

You have no idea RINO boy…

oscarwilde on May 22, 2014 at 4:54 PM

ohh – good one

jake-the-goose on May 22, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Doing fine thank you. Looking forward to the Holiday. ; ) Say, don’t let ole jake bother you too much. Sounds to me as if he has finally having an epiphany about the truly worthless nature of the GOPe(Whigs) he so fervently supports. You see jake would love to move the party to the more moderate center, while at the same time not completely understanding why the folks that infest the party currently in those positions will never stand up and strike the loyal opposition first. Its quite a quandry for him. P.S. jake is no fan of Cruz. ; )

Bmore on May 22, 2014 at 4:55 PM

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