Dems warn Cantor, GOP: Your ENLIST bill for young illegals is dead on arrival in the Senate

posted at 7:21 pm on May 22, 2014 by Allahpundit

How sad to find nativist Democrats dashing the hopes of patriotic young DREAMers eager to honorably serve their new country. Why so much hate?

If you read this post earlier, you already know what the strategy here is.

But blocking the military provision is considered important politically for Democrats’ bigger plans on immigration this year. One Democratic aide said Democrats didn’t want to push anything that would give House Republicans a reason to not go further on broader immigration legislation this year.

“We don’t want to give them an excuse to say, ‘OK, we’re done now,’” the aide explained.

Sen. Chuck Schumer not-so-subtly suggested why Democrats wouldn’t push to get the ENLIST Act through the Senate at a press conference on Thursday. Senate Democrats attempted put all the pressure they can on House Republicans to pass a comprehensive immigration bill, or bills that would allow the two bodies to conference, instead of acting on smaller fixes.

“We are not going to go along with minor fixes that fail to address the huge systematic problems of our immigration system today,” he said. “If the oil is leaking in your car, your muffler has a hole in it, and you have a flat tire you don’t change the windshield wipers But that’s what they want to do with this ENLIST Act. Republicans are barely even considering that, but it doesn’t even scratch the surface of our immigration system.”

All or nothing. If Senate Dems pass ENLIST, there’s a real chance that Boehner will declare victory, knowing that Republican presidential candidates now have a small but tangible achievement on amnesty to show Latino voters, and promptly drop immigration reform entirely for the next two years. That would leave Democrats royally screwed, having handed the GOP a small political win and received next to nothing from it except permanent residency for military-minded DREAMers who might exit the service later a bit more conservative than they were when they went in. If Boehner and Cantor want something done on amnesty, they need to include a broader class of illegals than just young adults who are prepared to enlist. Maybe that’s the next round of negotiations — figuring out just how broad the class can be to satisfy Dems eager for a mass amnesty and Republicans eager for an amnesty small enough that it wins them some friends among immigration activists without alienating too many conservatives. In the meantime, we’ve now reached the point where Democrats are in the lead in killing potential immigration compromises.

I wonder what happens if Boehner turns around and offers Schumer a bill that would amnestize all DREAMers, not just the ones headed for military service. Would Schumer take that or continue to drive a hard bargain in the name of amnestizing all illegals? There is, theoretically, a point here where the public would view a GOP proposal on amnesty favorably enough that it would be risky for Democrats to oppose it. Maybe DREAM is that point. But even if we reach that point, will hardcore immigration activists let Reid and Schumer make that deal? They’re the vanguard of the “all or nothing” approach. They might not agree to anything short of full amnesty.

Here’s Harry Reid doubling down on his trollishness this morning by offering to pass an immigration bill that delays implementation until President Rand Paul or “President Theodore Cruz” is sworn in. He warned Boehner that the House GOP has six more weeks to get its act together and pass something. If they don’t, President Overreach is going to start handing out free passes on deportation.


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Put up enough curtain rods and curtains and soon a window shall appear.

Makes you wonder about the Cantor waffling, doesn’t it?

ajacksonian on May 22, 2014 at 7:23 PM

You got smacked on the nose, Cantor. Want another?

Cheese Wheel on May 22, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Typical troll tactics. Ask for something and when you get it deny and obfuscate and say that isn’t what you meant, we can’t afford half measures, why do you hate minorities, etc.. Typical goal post moving.

Johnnyreb on May 22, 2014 at 7:30 PM

This is all just crap.

We’ve all seen this movie before.

Reid is just blowing, well, whatever he is into blowing.

They’ll pick the thing up, remove and insert the real deal and deem the damn thing and it’s over.

Tell me I’m wrong.

Then I hope you are right.

Term limits are the only thing that has a chance in hell of saving this country and it will never pass.

Tenwheeler on May 22, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Amnesty by fatwa .
Now.

burrata on May 22, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Here’s Harry Reid doubling down on his trollishness this morning

Oh! I can’t bear to watch the cryptkeeper anymore. How did the Koch brothers figure into this rant?

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 7:34 PM

So, let’s assume that the Senate Dems would kill it. Isn’t that a reason to pass it in the House?

That would give the GOP the ability to say “look, we tried to move forward, even if it was cautiously… the Democrats blocked us.”

malclave on May 22, 2014 at 7:34 PM

How sad to find nativist Democrats dashing the hopes of patriotic young DREAMers eager to honorably serve their new country.

Um….. It isn’t their country yet. And they have to serve honorably to be gifted citizenship.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 7:36 PM

So, let’s assume that the Senate Dems would kill it. Isn’t that a reason to pass it in the House?

That would give the GOP the ability to say “look, we tried to move forward, even if it was cautiously… the Democrats blocked us.”

malclave on May 22, 2014 at 7:34 PM

You’d think but the fact of the matter is that this is not a big issue outside certain advocacy groups. They would deem such a small step toward amnesty as a slap in the face. They are holding out for full amnesty for all the parasites already in this nation illegally. The farm workers, the maids, and the drug cartels.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Mr. Allahpundit, sir, any chance this….

If they don’t, President Overreach is going to start handing out free passes on deportation.

….involves the NLRB and Unions?

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 7:42 PM

They are holding out for full amnesty for all the parasites already in this nation illegally. The farm workers, the maids, and the drug cartels.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 7:39 PM

as well as a pathway to dump 50 -60 million more terrorists and drug dealers on welfare , who in turn will dump 100 million or even more on welfare .

burrata on May 22, 2014 at 7:42 PM

I realize that politicians have been the most cynical people on earth for thousands of years, but it’s getting hard to watch the sausage being made out in the open while they rub our noses in our own impotence. Elect anyone you wish, it’s always the same guy. Over and over. So very tiring.

Tard on May 22, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Good! I don’t want a foreign mercenary army. I don’t want illegal aliens killing people overseas in US uniforms representing the US and I certainly don’t want to replace the police here at home with illegal aliens, either. Could you imagine if martial law is declared and illegal aliens in military and police uniforms are patrolling American streets? The Ruling class in DC is totally effed up!

FloatingRock on May 22, 2014 at 7:49 PM

If Senate Dems pass ENLIST, there’s a real chance that Boehner will declare victory, knowing that Republican presidential candidates now have a small but tangible achievement on amnesty to show Latino voters, and promptly drop immigration reform entirely for the next two years. That would leave Democrats royally screwed, having handed the GOP a small political win and received next to nothing from it except permanent residency for military-minded DREAMers who might exit the service later a bit more conservative than they were when they went in.

ROFLMAO!

That’s just nutty.

Legalizing illegals in any way is treason. Putting them in the military is treason cubed. Your reasoning is pretty ridiculous. You act as if giving aid and comfort to the illegal invasion is some sort of American necessity. What a friggin joke.

The Weeping Boner and the America-hating dems can all go take a flying leap. They are all traitors and morons. Illegals are ILLEGAL. They already are citizens and they need to go back to where they belong, where they are citizens.

You know, for all this idiotic talk people have engaged in over the traitorous act of printing up American citizenships (as if America still existed … but that’s a whole other story) they haven’t looked very closely at the Oath of Renunciation and Allegiance that all naturalizing Americans have to take as their first act as “Americans”:

8 US Code Sec 1448:

to renounce and abjure absolutely and entirely all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which the applicant was before a subject or citizen;

Then again … oaths are such silly anachronisms …

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 22, 2014 at 7:49 PM

So, let’s assume that the Senate Dems would kill it. Isn’t that a reason to pass it in the House?

That would give the GOP the ability to say “look, we tried to move forward, even if it was cautiously… the Democrats blocked us.”

malclave on May 22, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Reid won’t even bring it up to a vote.

Issues like this is why it’s so important to win the Senate. Force Democrats to take some though votes or Obama to veto bills with bipartisan support.

joana on May 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM

I don’t get it. What is the dollar value of US Citizenship?

So an illegal alien joins the US military, get paid the same as a US Citizen, gets the same promotion opportunities, gets the same GI Bill as US Citizens but get something more – US Citizenship.

So either US Citizenship has zero value, or what the GOP is proposing is that we pay illegal aliens more than US Citizens.

On top of that, many States already have deals where illegal aliens receive in-state tuition to university while US citizens serving their country outside of their home state look forward to out-of-state tuition costs.

I am convinced that none of our so-called Representatives represent US Citizens, but represent foreigners, foreign companies, foreign governments and maybe, home grown parasites.

Reuben Hick on May 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Why. WHY must the dems make me agree with them, even once.

Dammit.

Diluculo on May 22, 2014 at 7:51 PM

What isn’t DOA in the Senate?

COgirl on May 22, 2014 at 7:53 PM

So, let’s assume that the Senate Dems would kill it. Isn’t that a reason to pass it in the House?

That would give the GOP the ability to say “look, we tried to move forward, even if it was cautiously… the Democrats blocked us.”

malclave on May 22, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Yeah … just like Benedict Arnold tried to throw the Revolution to the British.

Why would the Vichy GOP think that trumpeting their treason bona fides would be a good strategy?? Why would anyone think that?

The GOP just continuing to talk about trying to give aid and comfort to invading illegals is what drove me from the GOP (that and other cowardly, stupid and pathetic acts of collusion with the America-hating dems and their third world dog-eating retard).

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 22, 2014 at 7:53 PM

The party of “NO!”

Socratease on May 22, 2014 at 7:55 PM

ALL of this DREAM crap is just a scam, whether the military component or not. The rules on it re who qualifies or not are so loose that it reads like another Pigford. It might as well be called Amnesty.

slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Remember when they stick a knife in your back ‘it’s for the chillun!’

ajacksonian on May 22, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Here’s a scenario of backroom deal:

1. Republicans pass the ENLIST Act.
2. Reid declares it DOA and shelves it.
3. Republicans campaign on passing an immigration bill
4. Democrats campaign that Republicans did squat
5. Post election the kabuki theater ends and Reid inserts the Senate comprehensive amnesty bill into the ENLIST Act and goes to conference with the House.

Wigglesworth on May 22, 2014 at 8:03 PM

We could create a foreign legion.

Bishop on May 22, 2014 at 8:04 PM

burrata on May 22, 2014 at 7:42 PM

The illegals in this nation really don’t want citizenship but they’ll take it as a means of sucking this nation dry. They want all the welfare programs. They’ll still be sending money to the family back home and when they are done working, they’ll go back there while drawing social security and all the other entitlements of a citizen.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 8:05 PM

We could create a foreign legion.

Bishop on May 22, 2014 at 8:04 PM

Problem is that we don’t have an empire to defend. And we can’t put them on Guam since it might tip over.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 8:05 PM

I have heard this from quite a few illegals as well. They don’t want to become Americans. They may want jobs, or welfare, or education, or any other benefits they can get. But they don’t want to become Americans.

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Slow Thursday big A?

flackcatcher on May 22, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Problem is that we don’t have an empire to defend. And we can’t put them on Guam since it might tip over.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Who cares, we could send them off wherever to fight, it would be extra cool if they ended up in Camerone duking it out with the Mexican army.

Bishop on May 22, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I have heard this from quite a few illegals as well. They don’t want to become Americans. They may want jobs, or welfare, or education, or any other benefits they can get. But they don’t want to become Americans.

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 8:15 PM

I’m guessing that if they become American citizens, they become persona non grata back in their home country.

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Problem is that we don’t have an empire to defend. And we can’t put them on Guam since it might tip over.

Happy Nomad on May 22, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Who cares, we could send them off wherever to fight, it would be extra cool if they ended up in Camerone duking it out with the Mexican army.

Bishop on May 22, 2014 at 8:16 PM

I’ve heard that there’s some kind of conflagration going on in Syria. These guys could fill the bill there.

Bitter Clinger on May 22, 2014 at 8:19 PM

I have heard this from quite a few illegals as well. They don’t want to become Americans. They may want jobs, or welfare, or education, or any other benefits they can get. But they don’t want to become Americans.

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 8:15 PM

They will however vote illegally if they can get away with it; they can and they do.

slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Wait, I thought we were the party of no.

Grammar Nazi on May 22, 2014 at 8:47 PM

I have heard this from quite a few illegals as well. They don’t want to become Americans. They may want jobs, or welfare, or education, or any other benefits they can get. But they don’t want to become Americans.

lineholder on May 22, 2014 at 8:15 PM

They will however vote illegally if they can get away with it; they can and they do.

slickwillie2001 on May 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM

All too true.

They are here for the money. Hardly surprising, is it? Why else do you think there are so many more illegals here now than in 1964?

Is it because we have so many more crops to pick, or is it because we have such lavish gummint giveaways in 2014?

Trust me; Papa may be going the traditional route of undercutting Americans for cash under the table, but Mama is busy sucking up the AFDC, the Medicaid, the housing subsidies, the disability benefits for all those kids she borrowed from the neighbor. They share that subsidized housing with other illegal families (who are also getting a subsidy for that same address)and they rent out RVs in the back yard to still more families. Then every Friday they all stand in line at the local HEB to send Western Union moneygrams home to Mexico or wherever.

Right after they dump their bags of garbage at the closest highway rest area or vacant lot.

Dolce Far Niente on May 22, 2014 at 8:53 PM

If they don’t, President Overreach is going to start handing out free passes on deportation.

Fine by me. Because every illegal who would have otherwise been deported, but goes on to commit a violent crime instead, is wrapped around President Overreach’s neck like a big, ugly albatross.
Let him jump if he feels froggy.

Murf76 on May 22, 2014 at 8:54 PM

So an illegal alien joins the US military, get paid the same as a US Citizen, gets the same promotion opportunities, gets the same GI Bill as US Citizens but get something more – US Citizenship.

Reuben Hick on May 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Legal residents serving in the military already get some advantages in applying for citizenship, IIRC.

malclave on May 22, 2014 at 9:09 PM

…cross your legs Cantor!

KOOLAID2 on May 22, 2014 at 9:10 PM

All or nothing.

Okay, if those are our choices, we’ll take nothing.

Obama is going to continue to do whatever the hell he wants, regardless of the law. And illegal aliens (and their legal relatives) are going to continue to vote for Dims, because that’s who always promises them amnesty and more “free” stuff on the taxpayers’ dime.

So there simply is no benefit for Republicans in any type of immigration compromise.

Nothing is clearly the better choice here.

AZCoyote on May 22, 2014 at 9:18 PM

“We are not going to go along with minor fixes that fail to address the huge systematic problems of our immigration system today,” he said. “If the oil is leaking in your car, your muffler has a hole in it, and you have a flat tire you don’t change the windshield wipers But that’s what they want to do with this ENLIST Act. Republicans are barely even considering that, but it doesn’t even scratch the surface of our immigration system.”

If I have a lot of things wrong with my car, I fix them one at a time, including the wipers if they need it.
Democrats have been using this excuse since Teddy Kennedy’s day.

I half-way suspect they don’t really even want amnesty until they have completely wrecked the car, so they can blame the Republicans.

The Huge Systematic Problem of our immigration system is that it consists of patches over patches over patches on a system that was ill-conceived to start with. There is no coherent immigration system, one that starts from the bottom line of balancing the competing needs for foreign vs. domestic labor, while also juggling wage regulations, tax policy, and the welfare state.

AesopFan on May 22, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Kind of makes dingy Harry’, yogurt Schummer’s argument earlier about passing reform and putting it off till 2017 look flaccid (impotent for the LIV trolls like liblikealie) doesn’t it?

uncommon sense on May 22, 2014 at 9:49 PM

If the oil is leaking in your car, your muffler has a hole in it, and you have a flat tire you don’t change the windshield wipers

You do if they need changing. This is the stupidest analogy, maybe ever. So, you go around unable to see through your windshield because your muffler has a hole in it?

Dude probably hasn’t driven his own car in 30 years.

notropis on May 22, 2014 at 9:57 PM

You know it’s bad when you’ve lost the Democrats.

JellyToast on May 22, 2014 at 11:11 PM

What? Are you calling democrats “obstructionists”??? According to the lamestream media only dems/libs are allowed to besmirch the gop, lol And we all know Harry Reid lies every time his lips move and nobody cares!

soapyjeans on May 23, 2014 at 12:14 AM

I want the border secured, but I see no reason to with hold citizenship to any dreamer who serves in our military.

soapyjeans on May 23, 2014 at 12:16 AM

““If the oil is leaking in your car, your muffler has a hole in it, and you have a flat tire you don’t change the windshield wipers”

This proves the stupidity of Dem politicians. If my car has a slow leak and is making noise due to the muffler, it will still drive and won’t get me killed. If my windshield wipers are shot, no problem – unless it rains. Then, failure to replace the wipers could get me killed. Dems never consider bad weather. Think of the military as our windshield wipers.

Count Mahdrof on May 23, 2014 at 7:12 AM