Gallup: Support for legalizing gay marriage reaches new high of 55%

posted at 11:21 am on May 21, 2014 by Allahpundit

Worth reading, not only as a gloss on the various pro-SSM federal rulings over the past week but because the topline number can be interpreted in different ways.

Two successive Gallup polls in 2012 saw support climb from 53% to 54%, indicating a steady but slight growth in acceptance of gay marriages over the past year after a more rapid increase between 2009 and 2011. In the latest May 8-11 poll, there is further evidence that support for gay marriage has solidified above the majority level. This comes on the heels of gay marriage proponents’ 14th legal victory in a row…

In 2011, support for gay marriage vaulted over the 50% mark for the first time, and since 2012, support has remained above that level. In the last year, however, support has leveled off a bit. Currently, 17 states and the District of Columbia have legalized same-sex marriage, while several states wait in legal limbo as they appeal judge rulings overturning state bans.

Support for gay marriage is higher than it’s ever been — but it’s also just barely higher than it was three years ago. Maybe, after a mind-boggling shift in opinion over the past 20 years, the numbers are finally starting to plateau. Or maybe this shows just how resilient opinion on both sides of the issue has become: Despite 13(!) consecutive wins for gay marriage in federal courts across the country since SCOTUS’s Windsor decision last year, public opinion has barely budged. Does that mean the inevitable Supreme Court decision striking down all state bans won’t generate the sort of backlash that critics expect? Or is a SCOTUS ruling sui generis because it would leave the issue legally settled coast-to-coast once and for all?

Another possibility: There is a backlash to the court rulings, not large enough to reverse the growth in support for gay marriage but maybe enough to slow it down and certainly enough to entrench opposition among people who are skeptical. The age breakdown is interesting:

age

Support among young adults continues to skyrocket but growth is much slower lately among the older groups. Could be that’s a simple byproduct of twentysomethings having grown up in an era where being gay isn’t taboo, but it may also be that older people are less comfortable with the sheer pace of change. On the other hand, support among Republicans is up four points since SCOTUS’s Windsor ruling last summer, from 26 percent to 30 percent. (Support is also up three points among self-described conservatives.) If there was a court backlash stirring, the GOP numbers would, at a minimum, be flat today, no?

One more data point for you. And like the others, this can be read two different ways:

region

You might not see a national backlash to a Supreme Court decision legalizing gay marriage, but you may well see one in the south. Or will you? Even in the GOP’s stronghold, support for SSM is awfully close to majority levels. The most likely result, I’d bet, is a short-term backlash where support falls but then rebounds within a few years as people become resigned to it.

Exit question: What’s the ceiling for support of legalized gay marriage within the next, say, 20 years? My gut says 65 percent for no particular reason, knowing that there’s a sizable minority that will continue to oppose it for moral or religious reasons. But between demographic turnover in the population and the simple fact of acclimatization as this becomes the new normal, I do wonder if I’m lowballing it. There’s no reason to think support among young adults will start to decline rather than continue to grow, which means the total population will increasingly consist of a group that’s already on the doorstep of 80 percent in favor.


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Among judges.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

More polls designed to tell stupid people what they are legally required to think, not what people really think.

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Meanwhile, on the playground, a firm majority of third graders favor giving their lunch money to the 200lb gorilla who’s supposed to be in fifth grade by now. I mean, who likes getting a wedgie?

CurtZHP on May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

When put to a vote, SSM loses.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Among judges.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

There seems to be a solid lock on the federal judges legislating from the bench and cramming this down our throats.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

So if gay marriage becomes a non-issue I wonder who or what the gay left will go after next?

No one seriously thinks they’ll stop … do they?

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Allow me to repeat.

Let the Procreation begin in a lawful manner!

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Holy Homo Erectus Batman!

otlset on May 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Exit question: What’s the ceiling for support of legalized gay marriage within the next, say, 20 years? My gut says 65 percent for no particular reason, knowing that there’s a sizable minority that will continue to oppose it for moral or religious reasons.

That would depend on how many religious are thrown in jail because they oppose this issue.

The Bible is still the #1 best selling and most read book in America.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Get it over with and move on. SSM should not be a major issue right now or ever, particularly at the federal level. It’s just another squirrel distracting us from the still-stalled economy and the horrific state of foreign affairs. I don’t care who people marry — I care about being able to pay my mortgage and not having Cold War II or World War III going on while Obama golfs.

anne_scott on May 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Abortion and being pro-choice was a majority position for a time too. Don’t give in. Stick with the truth and proclaim it, and future generations lacking in propaganda may wise up.

Donald Draper on May 21, 2014 at 11:30 AM

How is support for forcing everyone to participate in and celebrate it?

stvnscott on May 21, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Hot Gay Air waving the rainbow flag yet again.

Bitter Clinger on May 21, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Gallup: Support for legalizing gay marriage reaches new high of 55%

…WTF?…make it 95%!…then?… can we quit with the poles?

KOOLAID2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:30 AM

So if gay marriage becomes a non-issue I wonder who or what the gay left will go after next?

No one seriously thinks they’ll stop … do they?

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Wedding ceremonies in a smaller conservative denomination. They won’t go after Catholics. They’ll try to pick off the smaller guys. I’ve predicted Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. But my guess is they’ll fight back–viciously.

BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Great! Yet another thread dealing with the gays! You would think that their sexual orientation is the most pressing issue of our time!

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

So if gay marriage becomes a non-issue I wonder who or what the gay left will go after next?

No one seriously thinks they’ll stop … do they?

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Overton window has already started moving for pedophilia, with cannibalism and bestiality probably not far behind.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Exit question:

Don’t know about that. However I look forward to the gnashing of teeth and spittled mouths when, within the next year or so, science will be able to identify in the womb sexual orientation. There is as you know an answer to that problem as well. Let the abortion proceed in a lawful fashion! Lolz!

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM

If libs/gay people can get a definition of a word changed then I want to change “black” to mean people with any color in their skin whatsoever. That includes albinos with freckles. That way we all can benifit from affirmative action.

Oh, and I was the definition of the word “sixty-five” to mean any age. Taht way we can all collect Social Security already.

DethMetalCookieMonst on May 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM

What the citizens think doesn’t matter any longer.

King George commands and we obey.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Get it over with and move on.

anne_scott on May 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

I don’t think you understand. Gay marriage is simply a hammer to beat the GOP and the religious right … especially the religious right. That’s why when very little objection was offered to civil unions, they quickly dropped civil unions and moved to marriage.

They’ll find something else.

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Overton window has already started moving for pedophilia, with cannibalism and bestiality probably not far behind.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I think they’ll stay focused on religion, probably start lobbying churches to perform gay marriages.

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Hot Gay Air waving the rainbow flag yet again.

Bitter Clinger on May 21, 2014 at 11:30 AM

I won’t take any discussion of the gays seriously until I see them call for an end of the so-called “gay pride” orgies. Nothing debases their claims of wanting to be included in society more than the lewd behavior at these events. The gays paint anecdotal pictures of loving couples who have been together for decaded denied equal rights by unjust law. They never get around to explaining how a crowd of gays in body paint and thongs fits into that message.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Deep down, a large majority of straight people think gay marriage is against nature, even if they say publicly they approve of it… It is just human nature and will always be so…

mnjg on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

So if gay marriage becomes a non-issue I wonder who or what the gay left will go after next?

No one seriously thinks they’ll stop … do they?

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

We’ve already seen it with the repeal of DADT in the military. Now they want the transgendered to be able to serve in uniform and the DoD to pick up the tab for their transformation.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Don’t know about that. However I look forward to the gnashing of teeth and spittled mouths when, within the next year or so, science will be able to identify in the womb sexual orientation. There is as you know an answer to that problem as well. Let the abortion proceed in a lawful fashion! Lolz!

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Never happen.

Sexual desire is purely a function of the psychological/spiritual.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Awesome.

Let’s put it to the vote then shall we? Let the people decide democratically whether they want “homomarriage”.

HotAirian on May 21, 2014 at 11:40 AM

That’s strange because the recent Politico poll had this result:

Do you support or oppose allowing same sex couples to marry?
Support: 48%
Oppose: 52%

huckleberryfriend on May 21, 2014 at 11:40 AM

What the citizens think doesn’t matter any longer.

King George commands and we obey.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM

I just never knew King George was gay.

Bitter Clinger on May 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

When put to a vote, SSM loses.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

No longer. Maine voters approved it in 2012 and 10 or 11 state legislatures approved it.

jim56 on May 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Deep down, a large majority of straight people think gay marriage is against nature, even if they say publicly they approve of it… It is just human nature and will always be so…

mnjg on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

It is unnatural. Nothing natural about it.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

If there was no such thing as “married filing jointly,” SSM would not be an issue. The same crowd that is pushing this is the same crowd that 30 years ago said “we don’t need a piece of paper to prove we love each other.”

dolfan on May 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

With polls like this I always want to see the state breakdown. That 55% could be entirely in the West and Northeast. I’m sure the majority here in the South is opposed so the 55% figure is meaningless unless we are to scrap federalism and allow national majorities to dictate regional and state level preferences.

Charlemagne on May 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

We’ve already seen it with the repeal of DADT in the military. Now they want the transgendered to be able to serve in uniform and the DoD to pick up the tab for their transformation.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

When the left creates an issue it never goes away, no matter much much money is spent or how many laws are written. I can’t think of a single issue where the left has said” “Yay we won. Now we’re going home”.

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

No longer. Maine voters approved it in 2012 and 10 or 11 state legislatures approved it.

jim56 on May 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

1 state.

Kudos.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Right is right.
Wrong is wrong.
SSM is an abomination.
Just because something’s popular-doesn’t mean that it’s right.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Yeah
We so gay!

Schadenfreude on May 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I think they’ll stay focused on religion, probably start lobbying churches to perform gay marriages.

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

They already do. I say the Church has it coming, for holding onto its tax-free status and not opposing the socialist agenda.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Of course all this completely ignores the very real possibility that a sizable number of people may be saying they support gay marriage because they’ve seen the lynch mobs go after anybody who says they don’t.

clearbluesky on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I don’t think you understand. Gay marriage is simply a hammer to beat the GOP and the religious right … especially the religious right. That’s why when very little objection was offered to civil unions, they quickly dropped civil unions and moved to marriage.

They’ll find something else.

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

My understanding is the GOP platform opposes civil unions as well as gay marriage. At least it’s that way in Texas. I do know several state laws/constitutional amendments proposed by conservatives about 10 years ago prohibited both civil unions and gay marriage.

When did the GOP ever offer up civil unions as a compromise?

jim56 on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

So if gay marriage becomes a non-issue I wonder who or what the gay left will go after next?

No one seriously thinks they’ll stop … do they?

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Wedding ceremonies in a smaller conservative denomination. They won’t go after Catholics. They’ll try to pick off the smaller guys. I’ve predicted Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. But my guess is they’ll fight back–viciously.

BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

No they’ll go after the biggest target…The RCC.

Progressives have been attacking the RCC especially in liberal states for a while now…trying to unionize parochial teachers to control the curriculum…pushing for ordination of women…Obamacare and attacking the Catholic Healthcare network…The Gay lobby coercing Catholic Adoption centers in Europe, disrupting Mass and intimidating worshippers…etc.

Maybe some protestant denominations will change their doctrine like the Anglican church did in the UK.

Now the Anglican Church is being sued by a rich Gay couple to force them to perform his marriage.

The Gay couple might win since the Anglican Church is the State Church of the UK.

On doctrinal issues like Natural Law, the RCC won’t cave under pressure…even with this liberal Pope.

The RCC however will do what it has done throughout her long history…she’ll shut down the churches and affiliated social systems in some locales under attack and go underground and when the tyrants are overthrown; she’ll emerge again with her faithful.

The Catholic Church has seen many Neros in her long history….

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

With polls like this I always want to see the state breakdown. That 55% could be entirely in the West and Northeast. I’m sure the majority here in the South is opposed so the 55% figure is meaningless unless we are to scrap federalism and allow national majorities to dictate regional and state level preferences.

Charlemagne on May 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Well, let’s put it this way, in California, which is about as far west as you can get, California voted to ban gay marriage, and a Gay judge ruled that amendment to the California state constitution illegal.

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Frankly, I think it’s surprising that it’s just 55%.

Given the near universal pro-SSM coverage in our media, to be barely above 50% is kind of interesting.

SteveMG on May 21, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Just what our crowded courts need — same sex divorce.

dolfan on May 21, 2014 at 11:46 AM

This issue is over. Anyone still fighting it is wasting their time.

The question now is, what is next with these people? There is always a next.

I’m betting, gay quotas for everything. Jobs, college acceptance etc. Which they are already trying to push.

Moesart on May 21, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Just because something’s popular-doesn’t mean that it’s right.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Indeed, slavery used to be extremely popular. One day in the future, future generations of Americans will look back on Abortion and Gay marriage just like we look back on slavery now. As indefensible and disgusting.

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

…changing our name from HotAir…to GayPoll!

KOOLAID2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Frankly, I think it’s surprising that it’s just 55%.

It is very telling. We are bombarded with propaganda about it and it still gets just 55%.

Moesart on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Oh goody, a gay marriage thread. We haven’t had one in Forevah!

melle1228 on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

I just never knew King George was gay.

Bitter Clinger on May 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Yes he was, George Washington too as well as Lincoln.

If you took time to read KOS you would have known such things, bigot.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

No they’ll go after the biggest target…The RCC.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

They go after all Churches.

Just look to Canada.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I just never knew King George was gay.

Bitter Clinger on May 21, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Yes he was, George Washington too as well as Lincoln.

If you took time to read KOS you would have known such things, bigot.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Yup, those who aren’t openly gay are just in denial…

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM

So if gay marriage becomes a non-issue I wonder who or what the gay left will go after next?

No one seriously thinks they’ll stop … do they?

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Why stop? Keep on rollin’ while the dice are hot!

So much more to do.

I think they’ll stay focused on religion, probably start lobbying churches to perform gay marriages.

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Some churches are already leaning toward or are already in acceptance and celebration of monogamous relationships in the joining of two regardless of gender, I believe. Those which stubbornly hold old-fashioned traditional views on marriage just need to be brought up to cultural speed into the 21st Century and enlightened with a little persuasion, is all.

/SNARK

And yet, that still won’t be enough for some.

hawkeye54 on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Yes he was, George Washington too as well as Lincoln.

If you took time to read KOS you would have known such things, bigot.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Color me skeptical.

I mean, I can see Lincoln, but Washington?

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Among judges.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM
There seems to be a solid lock on the federal judges legislating from the bench and cramming this down our throats.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Agreed!

BTW, can some of our legal experts on here answer the question as to why the judicial branch always seems to “trump” the legislative branch? I thought these two branches of government (along with the executive branch) were supposed to be equal and serve a checks and balances to one another?

Bob Davis on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

I won’t take any discussion of the gays seriously until I see them call for an end of the so-called “gay pride” orgies. Nothing debases their claims of wanting to be included in society more than the lewd behavior at these events. The gays paint anecdotal pictures of loving couples who have been together for decaded denied equal rights by unjust law. They never get around to explaining how a crowd of gays in body paint and thongs fits into that message.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

My best friend for a number of years was a Lesbian. She talked me into accompanying her to a gay pride parade. What I saw there was nothing short of appalling at best and very illegal at worst. Yet the police stood by and did nothing. She had a very hard time explaining to me how that behavior is something they are proud of. Her last attempt at normalizing her lifestyle to me was to take me to a popular gay bar, where I was fondled and groped several times during my short visit. She eventually moved to NJ, and although I liked her personally, I was relieved when she left.

My father, for all his flaws, was very right about one of his favorite sayings which is, “Be very wary of people who are proud of what they should be ashamed of.”

stvnscott on May 21, 2014 at 11:51 AM

As long as they over represented in the entertainment/media industry, they can dictate the criteria of the debate.

Soo…LGB has nothing to do with physical sex, but sexual orientation. Because, ya know, they’re all chaste.

And that’s not my intrepretation. That’s from Lackoff, a Cali Prog Prof, who stated that the debate cannot include actual dialogue about sexual acts, because people shift against LGB when it does.

budfox on May 21, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Yes he was, George Washington too as well as Lincoln.

If you took time to read KOS you would have known such things, bigot.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Color me skeptical.

I mean, I can see Lincoln, but Washington?

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

And the Muslims were the first to arrive in America, as proven by such notable Islamic named places like Al-Abama, Al-Aska, and Al-buquerque…

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:39 AM

No, I have to take exception to your assertion. If I am reading you right. Behavioral effects cannot account for all the incidences of homosexuality. The left likes to remind us of this constantly.

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:53 AM

I say it is time for the states to get out of the marriage business. Let “couples” simply register their union in some civil capacity and be done with it.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 11:54 AM

When did the GOP ever offer up civil unions as a compromise?

jim56 on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Don’t know. I know the public opposition was very low.

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Sorry, but American don’t care about this issue. Unemployment and corruption, and the economy are what is on their minds.

Jayrae on May 21, 2014 at 11:54 AM

I think they’ll stay focused on religion, probably start lobbying churches to perform gay marriages.

darwin on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

That’s what you’re seeing in the UK, which has been a testing ground for LGB for years, and the pressure/distortion put on Pope Francis.

budfox on May 21, 2014 at 11:55 AM

I won’t take any discussion of the gays seriously until I see them call for an end of the so-called “gay pride” orgies. Nothing debases their claims of wanting to be included in society more than the lewd behavior at these events. The gays paint anecdotal pictures of loving couples who have been together for decaded denied equal rights by unjust law. They never get around to explaining how a crowd of gays in body paint and thongs fits into that message.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Stumbled on this compelling film over the weekend…Called the Third Way.

It was made by Gay Catholics who practice celibacy…because celibacy outside marriage complies with Catholic Christian Doctrine of Natural Law and in the RCC is asked of all whether the individual is heterosexual or homosexual.

Saint John Paul II wrote The Theology of the Body which explains in depth Catholic Doctrine on Natural Law to modern faithful.

They are out there…and hopefully these folks will grow as an influential group.

It’s well worth the watching for any Christian…not just Catholics.

video at this link:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/blog/this-new-film-on-being-gay-and-catholic-just-might-blow-your-mind

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Bwhahahahahahaha

Any issue involving fundamentalist Christians or militant gays, even individually, is bound to spark and crackle with emotionally loaded rhetoric and puerile drama. But when you pair these two groups as warring opponents in a Death Cage Match over how basic cultural morality is defined, you get underhanded propaganda tactics and sanctimonious street theater.

As I’ve always understood it, married couples receive certain tax benefits based on the idea that they’ll procreate and raise little taxpayers for the state’s benefit. It seems no more complicated than that. Otherwise, I’m not sure why the state would even want to be involved in the whole sordid business of love.

The way tax laws are currently written, married DINKs in many cases pay more taxes than if either partner had been single—this is known euphemistically as the “marriage penalty.” So I can’t see how additional taxation would be much of an economic incentive for gay couples, most of whom are childless, to marry. Where couples would stand to benefit under gay marriage involves things such as health-insurance coverage and Social Security benefits.

Still, such perks seem piddling when contrasted with the amount of money, the level of passion, and the degree of attention paid to this topic.

That’s because I don’t think this issue is primarily about money. I think it’s a pseudo-religious culture war being waged by two extremist minority factions.

This is a simplistic clash of fanatical belief systems, mutually exclusive in their premises, about how society should be ordered. Members of both sides seem desperately to want to reshuffle society so that the other side ceases to exist. Both sides want the right to define how society defines morality. Both sides are oblivious to the fact that, despite their aesthetic differences, they both spit out enough sanctimony to make even God vomit. And if my suspicions are correct, neither side represents the majority of Americans.

The battle over gay marriage, loud and bloody as it may be, is a cultural Super Bowl in which most Americans don’t even sit on the sidelines—they hang outside of the stadium at a tailgate party, utterly disinterested in what’s going on inside.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

There was once a lake with clear water, where several rivers came together. A long time ago, many from the nearby community posted signs warning of the dangerous undertow in the deeper part of the water due to the river currents that fed it. For a time, the signs were heeded and few went into the water. But over time, many within the community began to question the signs warning of impending doom to swimmers. After all, there hadn’t been any injuries or deaths as long as people could remember. And so, those rejectors decided to tear down the signs as “outdated” and “mistaken” and even “hateful” toward swimmers. The cool, clear waters beckoned and there was no reasonable logic to deny them a refreshing swim. A few though, remembered the warnings and spoke out… at least until they were derided as fools. And so, after a series of long hot summer days, swimmers took to the waters. At first they only ventured out a little bit, but then they became more adventurous. On the banks, those who had torn down the signs (but didn’t want to go swimming) shouted encouragement from the banks. They cheered as people enjoyed going further out. But a handful of people tried shouting warnings, that there was danger, that they needed to return to the shore. They were shouted down with cheers from the “no-signers”. Eventually, those “signers” attempted to throw lifelines to the deep-water swimmers. In the end, the obvious happened… the swimmers were caught in the undertows and were drown.

Who cared more about the swimmers? …the “no-signers” who cheered the swimmers to their demise, or the few “signers” who attempted to call out warnings and throw lifelines?

dominigan on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

My father, for all his flaws, was very right about one of his favorite sayings which is, “Be very wary of people who are proud of what they should be ashamed of.”

stvnscott on May 21, 2014 at 11:51 AM

I like that saying!

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Yes he was, George Washington too as well as Lincoln.

If you took time to read KOS you would have known such things, bigot.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Shame on me for not getting my history lessons from KOS. I shall now be given 20 lashes with cooked spaghetti.

Bitter Clinger on May 21, 2014 at 11:57 AM

The numbers between 1996 and 2013 really should be read diagonally. 1996′s 18-29 year old may well be 2013′s 30-49 year old. And it would show that many people are changing their minds in favor of gay marriage, despite whatever life experience they gained in those 17 years between polls. Those people who only gave 15% support in 1996 may be the same people who are now at 41% in 2013. Just a thought.

For the record, while I support gay marriage, I do NOT support the vast overreach by those legal vultures among the activists, preying upon those churches, bakeries and photographers that won’t give service to Scott & Todd’s nuptials. That is indeed a problem, but the solution isn’t to resurrect the blanket ban on SSM.

TMOverbeck on May 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Color me skeptical.

I mean, I can see Lincoln, but Washington?

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Bb!…dude!…he wore…a wig!

KOOLAID2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Jamming, with a smile, their thumbs into the eyes of every Muslim (forget Christians) on earth! Why do these gay marriage supporters hate Muslims so much? After all, I thought we were supposed to be getting their OK before we do anything these days. You know, so they aren’t offended. And the appeasers wonder why “they” hate us. Plain and simple, the next terrorist attacks can be blamed on the gay marriage supporters.

Jackson on May 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

As long as the approach taken by the LGBT movement is such that it undermines 10A, support will taper off.

Especially given the heavy boot-on-the-throat coming from the federal government under the Obama admin.

States are one of the last protections we the people have against seeing that power abused.

lineholder on May 21, 2014 at 11:59 AM

I mean, I can see Lincoln, but Washington?

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

What did you think rotted his teeth?

steebo77 on May 21, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Stumbled on this compelling film over the weekend…Called the Third Way.

It was made by Gay Catholics who practice celibacy…because celibacy outside marriage complies with Catholic Christian Doctrine of Natural Law and in the RCC is asked of all whether the individual is heterosexual or homosexual.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 11:55 AM

The gay activists will not be happy until Pope Francis is forced to preside over a gay wedding at the high altar in St. Peters. They have no tolerance or respect for religous beliefs that run afoul of their agenda.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM

The gays employed a smart strategy I’m pushing their agenda.

Every major sitcom or entertainment piece has a gay character.
They pushed their agenda following the blue print of the communists in using entertainment for propaganda. Very similar to what Putin is doing now.

Only thing left is for Justice Kennedy to do the easy lifting for them.

weedisgood on May 21, 2014 at 12:01 PM

No they’ll go after the biggest target…The RCC.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

They go after all Churches.

Just look to Canada.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I didn’t say they wouldn’t go after other churches (except maybe the muslims)

I said they would go after the largest one on response to the comment upthread.

The RCC is the largest denomination in the US with the largest affiliated network of social services.

One in 6 hospital beds in this country is in a Catholic Charity Hospital.

Go after the biggest target with the largest resources and organization to implement those resources and the smaller targets are more vulnerable.

Basic divide and conquer tactic.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Yay!!! Lets post more polls that show support homosexual marriage…because this is a conservative website…or something.

Bleed_thelizard on May 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

cannibalism

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Don’t knock it until you have tried it. Just don’t eat the brain, due to prions.

antisense on May 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Odd how all of these polls show majority support.

Yet the actual ‘polls’ – you know, ballots – show that the majority do NOT support it, consistently vote AGAINST it, etc.

If these bullshit polls were accurate, AP, then your federal judges (13!) wouldn’t need to step in and stomp on the clear, expressed will of the MAJORITY, eh?

Midas on May 21, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Gallup and PBS are in a battle royal to see who can out-pimp the DNC agenda most…

viking01 on May 21, 2014 at 12:04 PM

cannibalism

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Don’t knock it until you have tried it. Just don’t eat the brain, due to prions.

antisense on May 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Does eating earwax count?

steebo77 on May 21, 2014 at 12:05 PM

The gay activists will not be happy until Pope Francis is forced to preside over a gay wedding at the high altar in St. Peters. They have no tolerance or respect for religous beliefs that run afoul of their agenda.

Happy Nomad on May 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM

True.

But it’s heartening to know these other people exist…and are speaking out against the hedonistic cultural meme.

Got to start somewhere…eh?

: )

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 12:05 PM

poll results reveal 90% of HA readers are tired of poll driven news stories.

Results reveal at +/-5% error based on 873 calls to one zip code in a DC suburb

DanMan on May 21, 2014 at 12:06 PM

When did the GOP ever offer up civil unions as a compromise?

jim56 on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

As a party platform? Never. The SoCons ogliarchs threatened mutiny in ’04.

Look, you want to blame anyone, blame the Dobson/Brownback/Santorum crowd.

They made a shite argument based off of nebulous ideas around culture. They then decided to become the de facto position and threatened anyone who didn’t fall in line.

So we ended up with an indefensible position, because we had financiers and lobbyists with LGB ties, like Singer, Portman and Mehlman, who were always going to work against the SoCons. Even Limbaugh bears ownership for this.

You can’t claim “conservative values” as a position against SSM while starting a new marriage every few years, like a vehicle trade-in.

The answer was always simple – do what Europe does and have a State Civil License and a Sacramental Marital license.

But because of a large portion of irreligious cheapwads, i.e Fiscal Conservatives, we couldn’t go that route either. They opted to originally stand behind the inane SoCon position and then flipped to pro-SSM. That’s what the polling above now shows.

So the last line of defense has always been the best, argue for a separation of Church and State. If the courts say no, then the precedents are going to collapse on numerous prog fronts. If they say yes, then we create a divide.

budfox on May 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

I mean, I can see Lincoln, but Washington?

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Why do you think Washington chose to stand in the boat as his army crossed the Delaware River?

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Go after the biggest target with the largest resources and organization to implement those resources and the smaller targets are more vulnerable.

Basic divide and conquer tactic.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Maybe. I’d say smaller Churches with no resources would put up less of a fight.

In legal terms, a victory is a victory. Why take on the one with the most resources?

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

And the Muslims were the first to arrive in America, as proven by such notable Islamic named places like Al-Abama, Al-Aska, and Al-buquerque…

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Dude!! o_O Love that :)

Scrumpy on May 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Basic divide and conquer tactic.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

You’re right.

Which is why we need to call for a cleanup of the tax code. The hospitals are as concerned with their write-offs as they are with the service.

budfox on May 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Why do you think Washington chose to stand in the boat as his army crossed the Delaware River?

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Ya think?

I guess I just never saw it before.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Remember, it is not actually about marriage. There is no natural need for marriage amongst the gay population. They cannot and do not fit the reason for marriage in the first place. This is more about leftists(Militant gays)destroying the tradition and very fabric with which the Nation was founded.

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 12:07 PM

You are bumming me out with this talk of Washington. I have actually had the rare privilege of laying on his bed at My Vernon. Ick!

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM

It’s so popular that whore federal judges are having to cancel election outcomes….

viking01 on May 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM

You are bumming me out with this talk of Washington. I have actually had the rare privilege of laying on his bed at My Vernon. Ick!

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM

You’re apparently not the first guy to do so.

steebo77 on May 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM

…Bb!…dude!…he wore…a wig!

KOOLAID2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Always a telltale sign.

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM

You are bumming me out with this talk of Washington. I have actually had the rare privilege of laying on his bed at My Vernon. Ick!

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 12:13 PM

You and Vernon laid on his bed?

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Gallup: Support for legalizing gay marriage reaches new high of 55%

And yet no one dares put it to a vote….

The reason for the legal decision in Pennsylvania yesterday was explicitly to make sure the repeal of restrictions on SSM was never put on the ballot.

Things that make you go, “Hmmmm.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM

The rainbow striped bastardization of our American flag in that thumbnail pic is as offensive as immigrants pledging violent allegiance to the Mexican flag (e.g., HS students going bonkers when white students wear US flag t-shirts on *gasp* Cinco de Mayo).
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Gheys want to be considered everyday people, yet they insist on defacing our symbols, forcing us to watch lewd “pride” parades, demonizing/ruining people who express even the slightest objection to their behaviors & beliefs. By their obnoxious assertiveness, they would be shooting themselves in their collective feet, were it not for the sickening, sheep-like enablement of the MSM.

KS Rex on May 21, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Lolz! Bastards!

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Go after the biggest target with the largest resources and organization to implement those resources and the smaller targets are more vulnerable.

Basic divide and conquer tactic.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Maybe. I’d say smaller Churches with no resources would put up less of a fight.

In legal terms, a victory is a victory. Why take on the one with the most resources?

Bigbullets on May 21, 2014 at 12:08 PM

The RCC linked with the Mormons (another church with organization and resources) in Ca for Prop8.

Smaller churches often umbrella under larger ones on certain shared interests and share access to organization.

This happens quite often with Charity work in hot zones.

The USCCB has been preparing religious and congregations for the persecution that is beginning in the US for a few years now.

workingclass artist on May 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM

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