CBS poll shows Tea Party support waning

posted at 10:41 am on May 21, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

The media narrative from last night’s primaries has been …. predictable. If 2010 could be described as Tea Party Wars: A New Hope, then last night was supposedly The Establishment Strikes Back. It’s not that simple, but it’s not entirely false either. One corroborating piece of evidence comes from a new CBS News poll showing the Tea Party losing support, even among Republicans:

The tea party was an important factor in the 2010 elections, but its support may be waning, according to a new CBS News poll. Today, just 15 percent of Americans say they are supporters of the tea party movement – the lowest since CBS News began asking about the tea party in February 2010. The tea party reached its highest level of support (31 percent) in November 2010, soon after the midterm elections.

The movement may be losing some of its core constituency — Republicans. 32 percent of self-identified Republicans now consider themselves supporters of the tea party – down 10 points from February and a decline of 23 points from July 2010, the summer before the Republican Party took control of the House of Representatives. The percentage of Republicans who identify as tea party supporters is now among the lowest in CBS News Polls.

That does tend to fit in with last night’s results. Established candidates, even those with not-so-strong ties to The Establishment, fared better than grassroots favorites, and not just in Kentucky — and not just among Republicans:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell defeated his GOP challenger in Kentucky by 25 percentage points, a high-profile but low-suspense race on a critical primary day when voters cast ballots in six states. In Georgia, a Senate Republican primary headed to a runoff with the two candidates favored by GOP establishment leaders. And in Oregon, pediatric neurosurgeon Monica Wehby fended off a more conservative challenger in her Republican primary.

Pennsylvania Democrats, meanwhile, picked businessman Tom Wolf, who poured $10 million of his own money into the race, as their nominee against Gov. Tom Corbett, one of the most vulnerable Republicans in the country. Also in the Keystone State, Chelsea Clinton’s mother-in-law, Marjorie Margolies, lost a bid to reclaim her old House seat, despite some assistance from Bill and Hillary Clinton.

After a year of threats from conservative outside groups, no GOP incumbents lost Tuesday. Idaho Rep. Mike Simpson beat back a tea partier supported by groups such as Club for Growth, with help from the business lobby and Mitt Romney. National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Greg Walden, targeted in Oregon by a national campaign called Primary My Congressman, received triple the support of his opponent with more than half the votes in. And House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Bill Shuster prevailed over his challenger in Pennsylvania by 18 points.

Republican leaders have maneuvered to nominate candidates who they hope can avoid the kinds of foot-in-mouth mistakes that cost them winnable races last cycle in red states like Missouri and Indiana.

We will hear plenty from the media about the Tea Party losing ground, and that may have played into last night’s primaries, but it doesn’t tell the whole story either. Incumbents who won last night did so by embracing the Tea Party agenda, at least in part. The movement has impacted the so-called establishment by shifting it to the fiscal-conservative and smaller-government Right. Incumbents are no longer getting ambushed by treating re-election efforts as walkovers, mostly because they have spent the last couple of years listening to their constituencies rather than ignoring them.

That doesn’t mean that they won’t have problems. The two runoff candidates in Georgia for the open US Senate seat are both good candidates, but they may do more damage yet to each other before one emerges as the nominee. That candidate will start off behind Michelle Nunn in general-election campaigning, and they will need to work hard to get the grassroots engaged. Mitch McConnell scored a big victory over Matt Bevin, but it was the weakest performance by an incumbent Senator from Kentucky in 75 years.  Democrats outdrew Republicans to the polls in yesterday’s Kentucky primary by more than 48,000 voters, and Alison Lundergan Grimes got nearly 94,000 more votes than did McConnell.

In other words, even though the Tea Party didn’t “win” nominations in last night’s primaries, the grassroots will more critical than ever for the GOP in these key races. No one has lost anything yet — and no one’s won anything, either.


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First, define “Tea Party support.”

Bat Chain Puller on May 21, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Lets see how the questions were worded.

major dad on May 21, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Bah… another fake poll whose only purpose is to tell people what to think, not what is really happening.

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 10:45 AM

CBS poll shows Tea Party support waning

*Poll funded by establishment Republicans.

Just wait until the Texas results……

Tea Party is kicking azzzzz….

redguy on May 21, 2014 at 10:47 AM

C_BS is just wishing. The Tea Party has been enormously successful in pushing the GOP to the right and proves that the lesson of the 1992 presidential election was not lost on them.

rhombus on May 21, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Exactly. Most uninformed will think “Tea Party” means something negative, like racists who hate Obama. Ask the idiots if they favor low taxes, less regulations, liberty and such and then see what happens.

Decoski on May 21, 2014 at 10:47 AM

This was inevitable.

I’ve been saying from the start…although I agree with much of the Tea Party platform and opinion, it’s best reserved for local grassroots activity, which is what it began as in the first place. Once it went national, with no real central authority…and an attempt to create a “Tea Party Caucus” in the House…it was doomed to crumble.

JetBoy on May 21, 2014 at 10:47 AM

With some crying they’re voting Grimes in Kentucky and Nunn in Georgia because the anti-Mitch or Sarah’s candidate lost, why shouldn’t it wane. I’ve decided in Texas I’m voting Dewhurst and Branch, two solid “establishment” Conservatives. I’ve had it with the sour grapes and Mike Huckabee leaving hundreds of Dan Patrick messages on my answering machine.

Marcus on May 21, 2014 at 10:48 AM

In other words, even though the Tea Party didn’t “win” nominations in last night’s primaries, the grassroots will more critical than ever for the GOP in these key races. No one has lost anything yet — and no one’s won anything, either.

Pretty much. Just look at 2010 and 2012. Tea Partiers won the nominations but didn’t win the general election because the establishment bailed on them and didn’t offer support. If the reverse happens this November, then a lot of establishment candidates could lose gimme races to the Dems.

Doughboy on May 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Nasty trolls pretending to be Tea Party supporters and doing everything they can to get people to not vote for the GOP have done a lot of damage to the Tea Party brand both here and other places.

rhombus on May 21, 2014 at 10:51 AM

The Tea Party has been slandered daily by the MSM and both entrenched parties. I’m surprised the numbers aren’t worse. Shut off the TVs and focus on the alternative media.

Pitchforker on May 21, 2014 at 10:51 AM

With some crying they’re voting Grimes in Kentucky and Nunn in Georgia because the anti-Mitch or Sarah’s candidate lost, why shouldn’t it wane. I’ve decided in Texas I’m voting Dewhurst and Branch, two solid “establishment” Conservatives. I’ve had it with the sour grapes and Mike Huckabee leaving hundreds of Dan Patrick messages on my answering machine.

Marcus on May 21, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Shorter Marcus=”Let it Burn!”

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 10:51 AM

The Tea Party is much like conservatism or libertarianism – it is too unfocused and unorganized to be effective, at the present time. I’m afraid things will have to get much worse in this country, economically, before real heft is given to one of these movements and the likes of McConnell are finally defeated. That is inevitable, because the RINOs have no intention of stopping their big government agenda and we already have Democrats joining them in that.

rickv404 on May 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM

BS. The number of Tea Party supported Senators will increase with the 2014 elections. We are slowly accumulating power while big government Republicans are decreasing in number.

huckleberryfriend on May 21, 2014 at 10:53 AM

CBS poll shows Tea Party support waning

…B U L L S H I T !

KOOLAID2 on May 21, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Yeah, the media caricatures stink, but it’s also TP’s fault for not better defining itself.

I follow political news and commentary fairly closely and even I’m confused of how much of the TP is about lower taxes and less government, and how much it is about guns and abortion. (No pejorative is meant by TP, whose unfortunate acronym I now realize.) And someone as divisive as Sarah Palin, whatever her good qualities, makes a poor figurehead.

bobs1196 on May 21, 2014 at 10:54 AM

First, define “Tea Party support.”

Bat Chain Puller on May 21, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Exactly.

But the Tea Part flavor that I resonate with has just been resting-up a bit and keeping the powder dry.

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 10:54 AM

With some crying they’re voting Grimes in Kentucky and Nunn in Georgia because the anti-Mitch or Sarah’s candidate lost, why shouldn’t it wane. I’ve decided in Texas I’m voting Dewhurst and Branch, two solid “establishment” Conservatives. I’ve had it with the sour grapes and Mike Huckabee leaving hundreds of Dan Patrick messages on my answering machine.

Marcus on May 21, 2014 at 10:48 AM

http://www.dewnothing.com

David Dewhurst presided over passage of a bill in the Texas Senate that would have provided illegal immigrants with taxpayer-funded, non-emergency healthcare. Senate Bill 309 (78-R) would’ve burdened local property owners with higher taxes in order to expand the benefits our state provides to people who here illegally.

David Dewhurst supported a budget that reduced spending on the budget line items for border security and fighting criminal gangs.
The 83rd Legislature voted on the budget based on information provided by the LBB showing a decrease in “border security” spending. A May 20, 2013 LBB report showed “border security” strategy spending of about $82 million, which was about a $6 million decrease from the previous budget.

From October 2008 to December 2012, Texas identified a total of 141,982 unique criminal alien defendants booked into Texas county jails. These individuals, identified through the Secure Communities initiative, are responsible for at least 447,844 individual criminal charges over their criminal careers, including 2,032 homicides and 5,048 sexual assaults. (Texas Public Safety Threat Overview 2013)
Since FY2010, at least 7,435 suspected human smugglers have been apprehended by USBP along the border, including 3,981 in Texas sectors. (Texas Public Safety Threat Overview 2013)

http://www.empowertexans.com/around-texas/dan-branch-recognized-house-non-conservative/

Dan Branch: Recognized House non-conservative

Dan Branch is not a conservative and has always been a celebrated non-conservative in Austin. Don’t be fooled by his big-Dallas-money funded ads telling you different.

redguy on May 21, 2014 at 10:55 AM

If Ed’s post is supposed to demoralize TP folks…..he has no idea what they are about. They are not just anti-establishment GOP’ers, Ed. They are democrats, indies, libertarians, etc.

tomshup on May 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 10:45 AM

The Forward mach of American Fascism.

Mach? Really?

BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Thanks Ed, I made book on the so called conservative media pushing the corrupt crony capitalist Bush Mafia agenda.

Conservatives are well aware that the corrupt gopE has infiltrated the TEA Party. We left it a long time ago like when Jenny Beth said the TEA Party would vote for Etch-A-Sketch. See TEA Party Express backing Shamnesty and Curt Clawson in Fl-19, etc.

Bevin was a flawed candidate. The TEA Party in Kentucky announced at the beginning of the campaign that they would accept Soros money just to defeat McConnell and since Bevin was from Connecticut he was always viewed as not in Kentucky’s best interests.

You can’t BS us. We are fighting corrupt crony capitalism and the corrupt gopE is not on our side.

Shamnesty is the “Red Line.” If it passes conservatives vote will never mean another thing again.

Jayrae on May 21, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Then they’re not understanding the underlying TP mindset. I don’t “belong” to any organized TP group but I’m paying close attention to the messages coming from the GOP which consist mostly of “you people need to sit down and shut up”.

Think the TP is going away, GOP? Pass amnesty, keep blowing money, fail to hold Dog Eater accountable, and you’ll find out if you’re right.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 10:57 AM

C_BS is just wishing. The Tea Party has been enormously successful in pushing the GOP to the right and proves that the lesson of the 1992 presidential election was not lost on them.

rhombus on May 21, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Yes. Look at the angst that just a few Tea Party freshmen have so far caused the GOPe on the Hill.

Force Multiplier.

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Nasty trolls pretending to be Tea Party supporters and doing everything they can to get people to not vote for the GOP have done a lot of damage to the Tea Party brand both here and other places.

rhombus on May 21, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Yet more blather from the folks who brought us 18 trillion dollars in debt, 80+ trillion in future liabilities and the political deviance necessary for Barack Obama to be elected President:

People whining about the Tea Party are the real “purists.” They expect miracles from the Tea Party while accepting all the excuses in the world from non-Tea Partiers. Let’s review how this all started, shall we?

It was in the elections of 2006 that Republicans lost control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. And it was in 2008 that Democrats won the presidency and gained even larger majorities in both houses of Congress.

Now, what had happened prior to that? The Tea Party didn’t even
exist, remember? What happened was that Republicans had everything at the national level — House, Senate, and president — for the first time since 1954. And they were not very Tea Party.

They forced Medicare Part D on us using the same kind of
parliamentary shenanigans that the Democrats used with ObamaCare. That was the largest expansion of entitlements since LBJ. It would add almost $8 trillion to our unfunded liabilities.
They teamed up with Democrats like Ted Kennedy to give us Campaign Finance Reform and No Child Left Behind.
They increased federal spending from 18.2% of GDP in 2000 (the
lowest level of spending since 1966) to 20.8% in 2008. That cannot all be blamed on war spending, either.
They mandated more ethanol in gasoline.
They expanded Clinton’s Americorps.
President Bush signed onto legislation outlawing light bulbs.
And President Bush gave us the TARP bailout, which most
Republicans in Congress voted for.
And this might be news to some of you: President Bush didn’t
deregulate anything. He increased the number of regulations, the
number of people regulating, and the dollars being spent on
regulating.

That is why we are in the mess we’re in. The Tea Party is not
demanding purity; it is demanding sanity.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/blame_the_tea_party_use_your_memory.html

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 10:58 AM

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 10:45 AM

The Forward mach of American Fascism.

Mach? Really?

BuckeyeSam on May 21, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Ok, so it’s a really bad pun… So sue me…

oscarwilde on May 21, 2014 at 10:58 AM

CBS (how I now despise this purportedly once-great media outlet) is obviously eager to put the Tea Party in the past tense, to bury it.

This grass-roots movement has been a thorn in the liberalizing/socializing, lying, truth-withholding mainstream media since it rose up in 2009. That media has been trying desperately to destroy it ever since.

otlset on May 21, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Let’s see the dem lites win the midterms without tea party support. Put up RINOs and at best I stay home and if they piss me off, I vote dem. Try me.

voiceofreason on May 21, 2014 at 10:59 AM

The battle for the soul of the GOP continues. Did anyone think there would not be losses in this long campaign? No single election will save this country. It’s going to be a decades long campaign that decides our fate. Keep educating and keep agitating. Getting addicts to relinquish the government teat ain’t ever going to be easy.

gimblin67 on May 21, 2014 at 11:00 AM

May 1774: Tea Party support waning. Colonies look forward to more taxes without representation.

portlandon on May 21, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Democrats outdrew Republicans to the polls in yesterday’s Kentucky primary by more than 48,000 voters, and Alison Lundergan Grimes got nearly 94,000 more votes than did McConnell.

I’m no McConnell fan by any stretch, but if Kentucky voters are fooled by Grimes they’re complete morons.

Dude should’ve just retired and moved on, but regardless Grimes needs to lose.

changer1701 on May 21, 2014 at 11:01 AM

A poll by CBS you say? Who here doesn’t trust them?

I haven’t watched CBS in 30 years.

faraway on May 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Yeah, the media caricatures stink, but it’s also TP’s fault for not better defining itself.
bobs1196 on May 21, 2014 at 10:54 AM

It’s a grassroots movement, with no particular infrastructure, which is why it won’t go away! They know who and what they are. No need to advertise. Check out a rally near where you live.

tomshup on May 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Shamnesty is the “Red Line.” If it passes conservatives vote will never mean another thing again.

Jayrae on May 21, 2014 at 10:57 AM

The GOP De-elite supporters DON’T CARE, it’s rah-rah for the team and d@mn the consequences as far as they’re concerned.

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM


Once it went national, with no real central authority…and an attempt to create a “Tea Party Caucus” in the House…it was doomed to crumble.

JetBoy on May 21, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Respectfully partially disagree. See my post above.

Agree there were (and are) problems related to being non-centralized. But there are advantages also: No single-point of failure being among them. We’re a bit nebulous – hard to grab – keeps ‘em busy and confused.

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:03 AM

As Mark Twain was purported to have said, “Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated.” See y’all in November. /T.E.A. Party

ElectricPhase on May 21, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Nasty trolls pretending to be Tea Party supporters and doing everything they can to get people to not vote for the GOP have done a lot of damage to the Tea Party brand both here and other places.

rhombus on May 21, 2014 at 10:51 AM

My thoughts exactly. Heck, seeing so-called “Tea Partiers” on here throwing tantrums akin to my 3 year old nephew and sending donations to Grimes out of spite have me disinclined to embrace the Tea Party label nowadays.

Inkblots on May 21, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Then they’re not understanding the underlying TP mindset. I don’t “belong” to any organized TP group but I’m paying close attention to the messages coming from the GOP which consist mostly of “you people need to sit down and shut up”.

Think the TP is going away, GOP? Pass amnesty, keep blowing money, fail to hold Dog Eater accountable, and you’ll find out if you’re right.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 10:57 AM

(Re-post Worthy. Every word. Better than I could have ever said it.)

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Did Dan Rather administer the poll or interpret the results?

Galtian on May 21, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Obama 2012

For the first time ever, we’ve made military families and veterans a top priority not just at DOD, not just at the VA, but across the government.”

faraway on May 21, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Yet when you see where Americans are on many issues they’re in line with the TP.

CW on May 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Nasty trolls pretending to be Tea Party supporters conservatives and doing everything they can to get people to not vote for the GOP have done a lot of damage to the Tea Party Republican brand both here and other places.

rhombus on May 21, 2014 at 10:51 AM

FIFY

Elitist establishment types like you have done more to drive away the grassroots supporters than anyone else. If you want my conservative vote, select someone I can vote for. It is YOUR moderate purity that is driving away the conservative base. For every finger you point at conservatives, there are more that are pointing back at you.

dominigan on May 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM

I posted on the wrong thread.

Must have brain damage.

faraway on May 21, 2014 at 11:08 AM

I used to be Tea Party supporter before they got themselves busy with gays, abortions, and other stuff I personally don’t give a rat’s butt about.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:09 AM

I think the TEA Party is only ‘mostly dead’.

And, we all know how that worked out.

trigon on May 21, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Dead yet again. Cat?

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM

I used to be Tea Party supporter before they got themselves busy with gays, abortions, and other stuff I personally don’t give a rat’s butt about.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Tell that to Mitch “War on Wimmins” McConnell. He’s revving up the anti-abortion pitch even now to go after Grimes in the general.

A cynically disgusting & hypocritical move, but it’s the path to victory for him.

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM

I used to be Tea Party supporter before they got themselves busy with gays, abortions, and other stuff I personally don’t give a rat’s butt about.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Are you entirely sure you’re not liberal?

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Are you entirely sure you’re not liberal?

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM

The proper word, I heard, is “conservatarian”. Conservative on fiscal issues, don’t care for social stuff. I do agree that abortion is murder but, being non-religious, I’m not morally opposed to murder.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Based on these establishment candidates winning I would say the tea party is as alive as it has ever been.

If you listen to the campaign ads of McConnell, Cornyn, and Graham, you would think they are hardcore non-compromising hardline tea partiers and the most conservative people to ever step foot on American Soil.

The fact that they are having to lie about who they are, and are running as hardcore conservatives instead of compromising, go along to get along, lets get things done for the sake of getting things done Republicans, shows you that the tea party ideology is what is winning in the Republican Party.

The only problem is that the voters are stupid enough to believe them and fall for the smoke and mirrors.

tcufrog on May 21, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Dead yet again. Cat?

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:13 AM

As I posted Yesterday:

The Tea Party has more lives than nine cats.

…and not a single one of you LOL’d. :(

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:17 AM

The proper word, I heard, is “conservatarian”. Conservative on fiscal issues, don’t care for social stuff. I do agree that abortion is murder but, being non-religious, I’m not morally opposed to murder.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM

O_o

I’m uh…I’m not sure what to….uh….

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:17 AM

I follow political news and commentary fairly closely and even I’m confused of how much of the TP is about lower taxes and less government, and how much it is about guns and abortion. (No pejorative is meant by TP, whose unfortunate acronym I now realize.) And someone as divisive as Sarah Palin, whatever her good qualities, makes a poor figurehead.

bobs1196 on May 21, 2014 at 10:54 AM

This has got to be the biggest load of crap.

I am tired of people saying the tea party is all about social issues. Please give an example of a tea party rally or event that is all about social issues

Just becuase a tea party candidate is pro life doesn’t mean the tea party is all about social issues.

tcufrog on May 21, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Chalk this up to illegal IRS intimidation, nothing more.

People are simply less willing to self-identify and potentially make themselves a target.

I do agree that abortion is murder but, being non-religious, I’m not morally opposed to murder.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Well, that’s… interesting.

Midas on May 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Lolz! Not true, though I may have not seen that comment, I see many of yours and enjoy. Sometimes I even laugh with you. ; )

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM

I’d like to know how the Senator candidates in Georgia, Purdue and Kingston, are “RINOS” because Palin supported the other. Or how Mitch McConnell has an A+ from the NRA and scoffs at phony “climate hissy fits” but is “no different” from Grimes, Tingles Matthews new thrill up his leg. It’s ridiculous the whining.

Marcus on May 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Mission Accomplished.

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:20 AM

I used to be Tea Party supporter before they got themselves busy with gays, abortions, and other stuff I personally don’t give a rat’s butt about.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Example? Please cite an example before pulling these types of statements out of your ass.

You can’t name one, you are just falling for the media caricature and stereotype.

tcufrog on May 21, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:17 AM

O_o Got me…..small L maybe?

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Your side throws just as many tantrums and you’re incredibly condescending. Your attitude makes it seem as if you don’t get it.

blink on May 21, 2014 at 11:11 AM

“Your side”? I was a Tea Partier from the beginning. Sent multiple donations to Rand Paul, Chuck DeVore, and Sharron Angle. So if by “your side” you mean conservatives interested in promoting Constitution-supporting candidates with a chance to win in the primary, and then the most conservative available candidate in the general, I’d like to know when we’ve ever thrown a tantrum.

I’ve rarely ever weighed in on these threads, but comments like yours make me want to vote Dem.

blink on May 21, 2014 at 11:11 AM

It has been well said that a nation gets the politicians it deserves. Apparently we deserve liberal democrats.

I was a Tea Partier when it was about promoting the Constitution. Now that the Tea Party is apparently about the politics of rage and grievance, I can sadly no longer support it.

Inkblots on May 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Lol ; )

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

rhombus on May 21, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Right, and these same said member of the GOP have done nothing to earn the voters scorn, all dissenters must be trolls. Just how bad does it have to get before anyone is willing to make the changes to get better?

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Careful, Bmore. Don’t encourage the Child Tsar :)

I’m uh…I’m not sure what to….uh….

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Perhaps we, uh… perhaps it’s best we should just move right along here(?)

(Yes sir, that’s what I’m doing’.)

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I heard both Kingston and Perdue on F & F this morning. I have no dog in the fight but I have to say that Kingston sound like a trained seal (politician).

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Your side throws just as many tantrums and you’re incredibly condescending. Your attitude makes it seem as if you don’t get it.

I’ve rarely ever weighed in on these threads, but comments like yours make me want to vote Dem.

blink on May 21, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Please don’t, there is never an excuse to vote for or contribute to evil.

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

You either abide by the Constitution or you don’t. That’s the only measuring stick for any candidate to proudly earn the TP label. But there are many impostors running around & openly colluding with the elites.

Pitchforker on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

I do agree that abortion is murder but, being non-religious, I’m not morally opposed to murder.
Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM

I’m uh…I’m not sure what to….uh….
Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Well, that’s… interesting.
Midas on May 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM

What seems to be the problem here? You are presumably Christians, which means you believe that every life is God-given and therefore has infinite value. I believe that value of man’s life is a derivative of his/her various abilities, qualities, and sentiments, and therefore has a finite material equivalent.

That said, I’m a strictly law abiding citizen, so as long as murder is codified as a crime, you are safe from me going on a shooting spree.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Right, and these same said member of the GOP have done nothing to earn the voters scorn, all dissenters must be trolls. Just how bad does it have to get before anyone is willing to make the changes to get better?

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

To these people it’s all about winning, they view it as a team sport, “Republicans vs. Democrats”

They only care about beating Democrats. If that meant that a Republican had to be pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, pro-tax increase, pro-government growth, pro-abortion, pro-climate change, and take on every democratic cause to beat they democrat, they would support that Republican.

They could care less about electing politicians who will actually reverse the course this country is on and reverse the growth of government. They just want to see their team win. They don’t give a rats ass about actual policies.

tcufrog on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

It has been well said that a nation gets the politicians it deserves. Apparently we deserve liberal democrats.

Inkblots on May 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

Yeah not matter who we vote for and who wins. My theme for the for 5/21/14, S.O.S, different day.

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM

They just want to see their team win. They don’t give a rats ass about actual policies.

tcufrog on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

+ Seventeen Trillion.

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM

The proper word, I heard, is “conservatarian”. Conservative on fiscal issues, don’t care for social stuff. I do agree that abortion is murder but, being non-religious, I’m not morally opposed to murder.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM

So which murders on babies don’t you oppose?

Conservative4Ever on May 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM

What seems to be the problem here? You are presumably Christians, which means you believe that every life is God-given and therefore has infinite value. I believe that value of man’s life is a derivative of his/her various abilities, qualities, and sentiments, and therefore has a finite material equivalent.

That said, I’m a strictly law abiding citizen, so as long as murder is codified as a crime, you are safe from me going on a shooting spree.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Why would you presume we’re all Christians, do you also presume we’re all caucasian or male or whatever?

But it’s good to know that the only thing keeping you from going on a “shooting spree” is the law, what else do you want to do that the law is preventing you from doing?

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

To these people it’s all about winning, they view it as a team sport, “Republicans vs. Democrats”

They only care about beating Democrats. If that meant that a Republican had to be pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, pro-tax increase, pro-government growth, pro-abortion, pro-climate change, and take on every democratic cause to beat they democrat, they would support that Republican.

They could care less about electing politicians who will actually reverse the course this country is on and reverse the growth of government. They just want to see their team win. They don’t give a rats ass about actual policies.

tcufrog on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Correct. Republican loyalists who will pull the lever for Republicans even if those said republicans are literally raping their sons and daughters. Slaves to the system who cannot think out of the box and understand that ALL ROADS lead to tyranny if we do not wrangle control from these sociopaths.

Pitchforker on May 21, 2014 at 11:30 AM

I was a Tea Partier when it was about promoting the Constitution. Now that the Tea Party is apparently about the politics of rage and grievance, I can sadly no longer support it.

Inkblots on May 21, 2014 at 11:23 AM

The room for “the vapors” is in that direction >>>>>>>>>>

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Just how bad does it have to get before anyone is willing to make the changes to get better?

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I think some people are so wedded to their particular ideologies and hatreds that it won’t matter how bad things get.

There are going to be people standing in food lines with wheelbarrows full of 10,000 bills and some of them will be complaining about Reagan and Bush. Others will be trying to sell socialism to the people around them.

For some people, stupidity is terminal.

trigon on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

There is no such thing as the Tea Party. It has no organizational structure. It has no officers, headquarters, staff, or mailing address.
There is, however, a Tea Party movement

Galtian on May 21, 2014 at 11:32 AM

They seemed committed to a vision of how to return our country to its roots. Slowly, though, the issues became less pronounced. The movement became little more than a roasting of all things Obama—ACORN, Van Jones, etc.—with no evident purpose beyond producing nifty Republican campaign tactics.

Here are the Tea Party’s eight worst political mistakes:

1. Michele Bachmann. Railed against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, but then it came to light that she had profited from federally subsidized housing loans that these organizations backed. Then it was revealed that she’d worked for the IRS. She excused this job as the best way for a warrior to “know your enemy,” Sun Tzu-style. Her hypocrisy was unbearable.

2. Herman Cain. The Tea Party hated the Federal Reserve, which taxes us indirectly by devaluing the US dollar to less than $0.05 of its 1913 value. Not only did Cain have a stint as chairman at the central bank’s Kansas City branch, he insisted that anyone who supports a Reserve audit doesn’t understand what the Fed does. A few months later we finally understood: It provides banks with under-reported bailouts worth $16 trillion. Since his 9-9-9 plan would have severely increased the cost of living for many people, he would have almost been the Tea Party’s evil enemy if Occupy Wall Street hadn’t filled that role.

3. Rick Perry. Forcing girls in sixth grade to get vaccinated sounds like one of Dr. Mengele’s wet dreams. Perry turned it into a Texas state social policy. He also had extensive financial ties with the pharmaceutical giant producing the vaccines. Weren’t objections to government-corporate partnerships (e.g., TARP) essential to the Tea Party?

4. Rick Santorum. At first the Tea Party rightly rejected this religious nut. Then they began flocking to him like sheep. In February the Pew Research Center showed 42% of Tea Party Republican voters favoring his campaign, even though Santorum found their attempts to refashion the Republican Party 100% unfavorable. In 2005 he told NPR the idea that politicians “should keep our taxes down and keep our regulation low and [not] get involved in the bedroom” wasn’t traditional conservatism.

5. Newt Gingrich. Newt’s liberal laundry list is infinite. When 100 Tea Party leaders from 25 different states planned to announce support for Gingrich in January, they seemed unaware of his voting record. In the 1990s he supported the death penalty to enforce drug prohibition. He was then paid around $600,000 to lobby for ethanol. He also earned about $1.6-$1.8 million when he worked at Freddie Mac. 2 years ago he stated that “all of us have a responsibility to help pay for healthcare.”

6. Marco Rubio. Rubio is turning into a major war hawk. He claimed last year that he had no interest in being VP, but he made a speech at the Brookings Institution in April which David Weigel referred to as an “audition.” One month later he made a similar speech at the Council on Foreign Relations promoting foreign aid as a way of leveraging other countries. This ignores both (1) the existence of blowback in international affairs and (2) Thomas Jefferson’s warning: “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations—entangling alliances with none.”

7. CISPA. If there’s one way to piss off the younger generations, it’s by advocating that the government curb Internet freedom. Yet over 70 percent of the House Tea Party Caucus supported CISPA. CISPA had zero to do with intelligence operations and everything to do with intellectual property. Trying to control something one doesn’t understand is a sure way of swiftly ending one’s political career.

8. Rand Paul. Rand was the only spinal column holding up the Tea Party—and then he endorsed Romney for president. Mitt—the regulation-friendly, war-prone corporatist—getting an endorsement from Rand Paul was a swift punch straight to the gut. A few people have defended his decision on the grounds that it’ll help his standing with establishment Republicans, but I fail to see how it’ll be possible to keep this up without compromising actual principles.

Punching myself in the face would feel better than watching these bobbleheads nod back and forth acknowledging our country’s battle cries for small government while they raise their fists in solidarity for statism. Endorsing such laughable candidates has destroyed this once-powerful movement’s credibility. Every unconstitutional vote that Tea Party politicians cast cannot be undone by speeches that quote the Founding Fathers. The short-term goal of getting elected cannot outweigh the importance of constitutional consistency.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 21, 2014 at 11:33 AM

The TEA Party name yes, but not their principles. The RINOs unleashed a torrent of campaign ads portraying themselves as hardcore conservatives. Now the establishment media will claim a mandate for center-left policy because the liberal Republicans won their primaries even though that’s not how they campaigned.

Wigglesworth on May 21, 2014 at 11:34 AM

To these people it’s all about winning, they view it as a team sport, “Republicans vs. Democrats”

They only care about beating Democrats. If that meant that a Republican had to be pro-amnesty, pro-gun control, pro-tax increase, pro-government growth, pro-abortion, pro-climate change, and take on every democratic cause to beat they democrat, they would support that Republican.

They could care less about electing politicians who will actually reverse the course this country is on and reverse the growth of government. They just want to see their team win. They don’t give a rats ass about actual policies.

tcufrog on May 21, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Yep, they hate Obama for the same reasons the fans of other NFL teams hate Tom Brady, not because of his principles, but because of his “on the field” success.

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 11:35 AM

But it’s good to know that the only thing keeping you from going on a “shooting spree” is the law, what else do you want to do that the law is preventing you from doing?

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Dammit. I promised I was just going to ‘move right along’.

But the serendipity is irresistible: I was just lecturing my children YESTERDAY that laws are required because some people do not ‘do the right thing’ unless, otherwise, there is a potential penalty. That’s why we lock our doors.

Just wondering: does that apply here?

(I’m leaving again, but I may BRB.)

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

But it’s good to know that the only thing keeping you from going on a “shooting spree” is the law, what else do you want to do that the law is preventing you from doing?

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM

That’s plain silly. I assume you know the difference between “being morally unopposed” and “wanting to do”. If you don’t, let me give you a simple example. I care squat if my neighbor is butt-pirating his grandfather, but it doesn’t mean I want to participate.

So which murders on babies don’t you oppose?

Conservative4Ever on May 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM

I could name a few population subsets, but what for? If the baby’s parents want to kill him/her, who am I to tell them otherwise?

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Meh, you said you were law abiding so don’t worry about any shooting sprees, you never mentioned personal morals.

Sorry if I misunderstood, but the original sentiment stands: If abortion doesn’t concern you then you should check yourself in a mirror for liberal spots.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:42 AM

I care squat if my neighbor is butt-pirating his grandfather…
Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

(yep, back)

And you’re fairly certain the pirate won’t take a gander ‘cross the fence at, say, a young daughter?
Certain enough to let her play in the yard while you nap?
Or toddle out there unbeknownst as she explores her ever-increasing boundaries?

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I could name a few population subsets, but what for? If the baby’s parents want to kill him/her, who am I to tell them otherwise?

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Wait just one minute….are you a thuja sock? I knew it.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Wait just one minute….are you a thuja sock? I knew it.

Bishop on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

No, I’m nobody’s sock.

And you’re fairly certain the pirate won’t take a gander ‘cross the fence at, say, a young daughter?

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:44 AM

I do heartily support the Second Amendment, particularly for this particular reason.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Congratulations Democrats, IRS, media, establishment Republicans. You’ve effectively killed off grass roots conservatism. There’s nothing left to stop your big government ruling class agenda.

TarheelBen on May 21, 2014 at 11:47 AM

It becomes more clear every day.Conservatism is in trouble.We have no political party left to push our agenda.We must abandon the GOP as they have abandoned us.The time for the development of a third party is now more important than ever.Both political parties have made clear their intentions to destroy us,and along with us this great nation.Our only hope is that a third party can rise to usurp the corrupt GOP as the opposition party against the socialist progressives.My hope is that enough of us will realize the GOP is no longer looking out for us and stay home this November.A GOP defeat will destroy its continued viability.

redware on May 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM

True Jack has been at this a while. He scores very high when scored, as a Conservative. Perdue has the liability of being Sonny Perdues kin. Sonny was Governor. I think Kingston has the edge as far as track records go. However the debt ceiling votes did not help his cause. Perdue running as the outsider is smart, he has Cains backing,however he made a Freudian slip on taxes. I think the left fears Perdue the most. Salon and slate ran articles on his tax statement. The run off scheduled I believe for July should be interesting. ; )

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

It’s difficult to beat big money. It’s not difficult not to vote for these Big money, crony Republicans come November.

RdLake on May 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I do heartily support the Second Amendment, particularly for this particular reason.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:46 AM

That’s good. But what about this one:

Or toddle out there unbeknownst as she explores her ever-increasing boundaries?

Land mines? ;>

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

It becomes more clear every day.Conservatism is in trouble.

redware on May 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I share the despair, usually.

And I fear that we will look like a scene of the Common Room in One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest before we get it together. Bumping into walls and each other.

At this point, it really is for the children. If we’re very lucky.

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:55 AM

I’m not surprised. The Tea Party reached its crescendo around August 2010, won the 2010 elections in November, and hasn’t staged a meaningful rally or protest since. When you’re a protest movement that attracts people through protest and you win power, it’s hard to win over more people since people will say “Wait a minute, aren’t you in power?”

As a movement, the Tea Party lacks any achievable objectives currently. Yes, it wants less spending. Because of the people it put into power, it got the sequester passed. This, coupled with the rise in taxes from the elimination of the payroll tax holiday have reduced the deficit by about a third, making the Tea Party a victim of its own success. It’s hard to get people alarmed and worked up about a problem when the situation, while not fixed, is perceived to be improving.

The Tea Party also saw its influence disintegrate post-government shutdown. So until it gets its mojo back and starts controlling and winning the debate again, affiliation with the Tea Party will continue to drop and it’s going to remain toothless.

Stoic Patriot on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

trigon on May 21, 2014 at 11:31 AM

But they will point out to you how toned their legs are from all the good exercise.

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

A CBS poll? That’s Dan Rather’s former employer who has no problem manufacturing false data to sell an agenda. They have a history of falsifying information.

HotAirian on May 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

I do agree that abortion is murder but, being non-religious, I’m not morally opposed to murder.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Would you be morally opposed to someone murdering you?

Stoic Patriot on May 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Bmore on May 21, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Maybe I’m being too cocky but it seems to me that the Democrats can go piss up a rope, I don’t see Ms. Nunn getting elected.

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Or toddle out there unbeknownst as she explores her ever-increasing boundaries?

Tsar of Earth on May 21, 2014 at 11:50 AM

I’m definitely not morally opposed to punishing harmful and/or criminal behavior, either by the hand of the Law or by my own fist or firearm, whichever is available. A distinction should be made, however, between “harmful or criminal” and “disgusting”.

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Would you be morally opposed to someone murdering you?

Stoic Patriot on May 21, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Very proactively opposed. Why are you asking?

Rix on May 21, 2014 at 12:00 PM

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