Open thread: McConnellgeddon

posted at 6:23 pm on May 20, 2014 by Allahpundit

To clarify, “McConnellgeddon” is when McConnell destroys a tea-party challenger with the force of an asteroid impact, not when he himself is destroyed.

Ed previewed the carnage this morning but you deserve a thread to mourn and guess the spread. (A savvy politico friend on Twitter predicts a relatively narrow Mitch win by 12-14 points.) Matt Bevin sounds bitter:

“There’s little that I did not anticipate to some degree,” Mr. Bevin said as he sat in a Louisville cafe. “I did my homework, I know who I’m running against, I know what his methodology is: Define the opponent before they define themselves. You malign. You slash and smear. You mock, you ridicule and you question, and then you come out and declare victory.”…

He added: “I have been disheartened by how generally apathetic people really, truly are about taking ownership in their role in the political process. It wasn’t a surprise, but I’ve just been disheartened by how true it really is.”…

He attributed [Rand] Paul’s endorsement of Mr. McConnell to Mr. Paul’s presidential ambitions, and rejected the notion, floated by advisers to both senators, that they became friends through their wives.

Politico has a pre-election postmortem on how McConnell beat back the tea party, although most of it will be familiar to you if you’ve been following the race even casually. How bad do things look for the challenger? Even Erick Erickson’s thrown in the towel:

Between McConnell’s easy ride to victory and Lindsey Graham’s trouble-free reelection campaign in South Carolina thus far, it’s worth asking just how vulnerable GOP incumbents are to tea-party primary challenges anymore. Philip Klein surveys the landscape and says, “Not very.” But that’s not altogether bad news:

The perception that Tea Partiers were routinely knocking off incumbent Senators in previous years is a myth. The reality is that it’s only happened a few times since the movement gained electoral influence. In 2010, incumbent Sen. Bob Bennett was ousted in the Utah state Republican convention, and Sen. Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, lost the Republican nomination but ended up retaining her Senate seat as a write-in candidate. In 2012, just one incumbent Republican, Sen. Richard Lugar, lost a primary — in Indiana, to Richard Mourdock, who ended up losing in the general election…

What’s more significant is the fact that the Tea Party message on the size and scope of government is something that continues to carry a lot of weight, which is something that can get lost in the rush to brand candidates as being part of the Tea Party or from the establishment.

Because the Tea Party has now been around for a half a decade, non-incumbent Senators seeking higher office know that to be competitive in Republican primaries, they have to build up a record that can pass muster, and they’ve had opportunities to do so. That’s how you end up with candidates such as North Carolina House Speaker Thom Tillis, whose victory in the Senate primary was branded as win for the establishment even though as speaker, he fought to block Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion.

Yeah, the party’s shifted right overall, which is a nice consolation prize to keep in mind tonight. And there may still be successful tea-party challenges to incumbents in years to come. The lesson of the last two cycles, I think, isn’t “you can’t win” but more “it’ll take a lot.” Nothing against Bevin, who’s an impressive guy, but to contend against a heavyweight like McConnell, you needed a challenger of Ted Cruz’s intellect and charisma, someone who might plausibly catch fire nationally and turn his race into a conservative cause celebre. And even that might not have done it: Dislodging the would-be majority leader, who can deliver all sorts of goodies to Kentucky if he’s returned to the Senate, would be a high bar even for Cruz. The hard fact of the matter is that an incumbent who takes the prospect of a primary challenge seriously, prepares early, fundraises vigorously, and runs hard in the primary is incredibly difficult to beat, even without McConnell’s seniority. Just look at how easy Grahamnesty has it in a very red state. I want to believe a conservative in Arizona will mount a serious threat to McCain in 2016. But I don’t. Maverick won’t get caught napping like Bob Bennett and Dick Lugar.

Kentucky’s not the only game in town, though. The Georgia Senate primary is also happening, with David Perdue a lock to secure one of the two spots in the runoff. The suspense is over who gets the other — Jack Kingston or Karen Handel, who are within three points of each other in the last three polls. Oregon is also voting tonight, with Monica Wehby the favorite in a race that’s in flux since the nasty accusations about stalking and a messy divorce this week. She led her opponent in the only poll taken and a huge chunk of Oregonians vote early, so it may be the attacks came too late to affect the primary. You can follow results for all races at RCP or, if you’re interested only in the competitive ones, at Ace’s decision desk. The polls close at 7 p.m. ET in Georgia and Kentucky (although some returns are already in since half the state is in a different time zone) and at 11 p.m. in Oregon. While we wait, via the Right Scoop, here’s Mark Levin wondering whether the time has come to send a message to RINOs who use dirty tricks in the primary by sitting out a general election. He’s not condoning the idea, he says, but it’s crossed his mind. Matt Bevin said earlier today of McConnell “My job is to beat him. And if we don’t, I don’t know how he wins in November when he’s divided his own party as much as he has.” Hmmmm.


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Furthermore, our own “party” trashes us in the primaries at least as badly as the leftists trash us in the general. It’s obvious they don’t want us for anything other than votes (kinda like how leftists treat the black population in this country). Why would we continue to vote for either party, when they so clearly hate us?

runawayyyy on May 21, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Nearly every prediction I see has the republicans winning the senate pretty easy. The Tea Party should tell McConnell he has to vow to step aside as the senate majority leader if he wants their votes. If he doesn’t, vote for the democrat. This is an opportunity to knock off a sleazy republican professional politician. Taking these dirtbags out one by one is the only way conservatives are going to be able to wrest control of the party back from the self anointed elite protected by campaign laws and corporate money. The republican leadership has no desire to repeal obamacare and will pass amnesty as soon as they have control and it will be touted as one of Obama’s great accomplishments just like welfare reform and balancing the budget was credited to Clinton after the gingrich got it done. The professional politican republicans yearn for the days when they were the “loyal minority” could bitch a little about the democrats and enjoy their ill-gotten fauxroyal lifestyle.

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2014 at 9:25 AM

The Tea-Party Candidate in Kentucky

rhombus on May 21, 2014 at 9:46 AM

The Tea Party should tell McConnell he has to vow to step aside as the senate majority leader if he wants their votes. If he doesn’t, vote for the democrat. This is an opportunity to knock off a sleazy republican professional politician. – peacenprosperity at 9:25 AM

It’s striking how many “turncoat Tea Partiers” are haunting this thread.

You’d almost think they were Dem plants stirring discontent or something.

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM

The Tea Party should tell McConnell he has to vow to step aside as the senate majority leader if he wants their votes. If he doesn’t, vote for the democrat. This is an opportunity to knock off a sleazy republican professional politician. – peacenprosperity at 9:25 AM

It’s striking how many “turncoat Tea Partiers” are haunting this thread.

You’d almost think they were Dem plants stirring discontent or something.

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM

You’d almost think that they haven’t burned the memory of 2003-2007 out of their minds in a willful lobotomy.

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 9:51 AM

Both parties are all in for amnesty, a move which guarantees lower wages for those who can even find jobs (almost 100 MILLION people who could work aren’t).

Neither party has bothered to stop the illegal “lawmaking” going on in the executive branch. It’s tough to even find someone elected to even complain about it, in either party. What they are doing is as unconstitutional as anything ever in the history of this country, but no one seems to care one bit.

The tiniest minority of the population is now successfully destroying the lives of people for the mere act of thinking differently than them. Sterling is scum, but the Mozilla guy? What did he do to deserve what he got? And yet, he got it and no one bothers to care.

Just exactly where do you think this all ends? Where has it always ended? Where is there, in all the world’s history, a single exception?

Whether you want to let it burn or not, it’s going to burn and there is no longer anything we can do to stop it. Believing otherwise is naive at best. At least here, I can defend myself (for now….oh yeah, they’re still trying to disarm us).

runawayyyy on May 21, 2014 at 9:13 AM

And the GOP Establishment cheerleaders LOVE it. They have cast their vote for “Let It Burn.”

Once illegal immigrants are legalized, the courts will strike down any fig leaf in the law designed to stop them from getting on the citizenship track. This, with 18 trillion dollars in current arson damage and a prospective 80 trillion dollars in total damage, will do in this country. We are now, in Mark Steyn’s apt phrase, “the Brokest Nation in History,” thanks in large part to the America-destroying characters on this thread and the politicians they support.

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 9:57 AM

I am not naïve enough to believe that having elected Mitt Romney president or consigning the Democrats to the minority in both houses of Congress would change all that. But unless you are ready to give up on electoral politics entirely — and I confess to wavering on that question with a bias toward despair — then it is a matter of deciding whether X is preferable to Y. And sometimes that is a pretty easy call. Contemplating the inevitable shortcomings of elected Republicans, conservatives may consider the situation and think: “The lesser of two evils is still evil.” And it is. But it’s also lesser. And if that’s the choice we have, it may be unpalatable — but it is a choice that we have to make. I liked the Cthulhu 2012 slogan — “Why Vote for a Lesser Evil?” — but that’s a joke, not a program. The reason to vote for a lesser evil is because we’re responsible adults who don’t want the greater evil to prevail.

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/374528/print

V7_Sport on May 21, 2014 at 12:53 AM

By tolerating and continually voting for the “lesser evil,” you’ve defined political deviance down so far that a Barack Obama became electable as a Presidential candidate.

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 10:07 AM

McConnell has caved on serious issues, but has been steadfast on others, particularly healthcare “reform.” He was able to prevent so much as one GOP vote in favor, ensuring the ‘rats have to own it 100%.

“I’d rather get 80 percent of what I want than go over the cliff with my flag flying.” – Reagan

Ted the Average on May 21, 2014 at 8:38 AM

Which Maine twin voted for it to get out of committee because she didn’t want to be on the wrong side of history.

RickB on May 21, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Thirty years in DC & this POS has done nothing for us. $17 trillion in debt, dismantling of the military, Obamacare train wreck, DemocRat insults & this useless piece of flesh just stands by.

RdLake on May 21, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 9:47 AM
ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 9:51 AM

It’s dimwits like you that ensure this country will go down the drain with little or no fight. You keep up the smarmy remarks next year as the corrupt incumbent republicans turn 30 million illegals into committed democrat voters. McConnell and Boehner were lieutenants to their mentors who squandered republican control of congress and the white house during the 2000′s, set the table for this awful economy and the rise of Obama, and it will only be worse with mcconnell and Boehner in control and Hillary in the white house. Then you can enjoy watching your boy mitch make a meaningless comment on camera every few weeks playing the loyal opposition while he lives like a king in dc and as our economy and society slide further into the toilet.

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Are you sure the ebrown2 is doing that?

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Grow a pair and form your own party – jeez. Where is the conviction of principle and ideals man??? Pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get freaking BUSY!
Bradky on May 21, 2014 at 6:18 AM

Hmmmmm….. One should look in the mirror and ask that of himself. You who demand more from the people with principles, yet are perfectly fine supporting the GOP Neocons who stand for nothing but amassing more power.

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 12:14 PM

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Thankfully the Dems got their preferred opponent, so much like in 2012, the GOP opponent will be clobbered

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM

McConnell has caved on serious issues, but has been steadfast on others, particularly healthcare “reform.” He was able to prevent so much as one GOP vote in favor, ensuring the ‘rats have to own it 100%.
“I’d rather get 80 percent of what I want than go over the cliff with my flag flying.” – Reagan
Ted the Average on May 21, 2014 at 8:38 AM

It’s odd that you include a Reagan quote with your blind support for the turtle. Reagan actually stood for principals. The Turtle voted to fund Obamacare, raise taxes, and increase the debt

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

He was able to prevent so much as one GOP vote in favor, ensuring the ‘rats have to own it 100%.

Ted the Average on May 21, 2014 at 8:38 AM

So you are saying that the Turtle supports the “Let it burn” strategy? So I guess this is the acceptable position only if you are a Neocon??? Hmmmm? The GOPe sounds more and more like progressives everyday

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Are you sure the ebrown2 is doing that?

No, his subsequent comments seem to agree with me. I stand corrected.

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2014 at 11:56 AM

I thought the Tea Party was all about defeating RINOish out-of-touch incumbents. What happened to primarying the incumbents but closing ranks regardless of the primary outcome? Even Senate Conservatives Fund and other anti-McConnell PACs have endorsed McConnell. But not HotAir’s contingent of bitter clingers, it seems.

Turns out the Tea Party is acting like a Spite Party nowadays. Elect our candidate or we sit on our hands. Pretty much a bunch of Circular Firing Squad Republicans. And they are so angry that the rest of us won’t join the circle.

Bevin lost because he was a lousy candidate running against a long term incumbent in a top party leadership position, one where he is perceived as able to represent KY’s interests.

The cockfighting heritage guy in KY is the one you really want to go to the mat for? Seriously?

BTW, you don’t happen to be an actual KY voter, do you? The rest of us outside the Bluegrass state may have opinions, but we don’t have votes. As with my own state’s recent primary, you have a lot of outsiders trying to tell you who to pick. But you don’t have to listen to those people.

As we look at current so-called Tea Party campaigns, what we see is Club For Growth, Senate Conservatives Fund and Madison Project bringing in a lot of outside money to attack incumbents or establishment-favored candidates. Without that money, you don’t even have much of a Tea Party these days. And if the Tea Party is against outside GOP elite picking candidates in various states, then why exactly are they bringing in all this out-of-state money to run their own candidates with? Don’t the PACs who pay the bills actually own your local Tea candidate, not you? You only provided votes, they provided big campaign funds.

How about the Tea Party habit of running multiple candidates in a race, allowing the best chance for the most “moderate” establishment Republican to slip through their fingers? I think at least one race has already had multiple Tea candidates funded surreptitiously by the main candidate to dilute the opposition to an otherwise unpopular moderate Republican. 3 conservatives lost and 1 moderate is sailing to election as a result.

And the biggest cheese in Tea circles is a woman who went from cleaning houses for a living to making $300K in salary and about $15K p/month for “consulting”. That is after that old pirate scumbag, Dick Armey, got himself so embedded leading the Tea Party that, to get rid of him, the owner of Cancer Treatment Centers of America, a billionaire, agreed to buy him off for a million a year for the rest of his life, potentially worth $15-$20 million. Thanks, Mr. Armey. What a patriot.

If the Tea Party wants to be effective, they need some housecleaning themselves before they take on the party elite.

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 12:43 PM

In a few years when they do another of those annoying studies about baby names Mitch will be one of the top boy names.

Brock,
Take three steps away from the keyboard, put the brown bag over your face and take three deep breaths. It will be okay.

Bradky on May 21, 2014 at 12:44 PM

If the Tea Party wants to be effective, they need some housecleaning themselves before they take on the party elite.

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Elite what? Bunch of damn thieves.

Cindy Munford on May 21, 2014 at 12:48 PM

It hurts to know one has been bamboozled. Unfortunately there are many many good people on the ground who really believe in the TP ideals but they give money to organizations who spent 1% of the donations on political work and the rest on themselves.
It is legal I suppose but methinks the TP anger is misdirected at this juncture….

Bradky on May 21, 2014 at 1:11 PM

Atta girl, Cindy.

Jaibones on May 21, 2014 at 1:13 PM

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 12:43 PM

How many you tube videos of bob beckel, james carville and msnbc did you have to watch before you typed your reply? If you have stupid opinions feel free but we don’t need to hear you regurgitate the mainstream media and democrat operatives opinions of the Tea Party. You seem very proud of your boy mitch, own it. He and the current leadership were the same drivers that took us over the cliff in the 2000′s and there has not been any indication that they learned their lesson. Far from it, it appears they don’t think there was anything wrong with their actions, they are staying on the same course. You are as clueless as the kneejerk democrat voters who squeal, “They are all the same!” when asked to explain their undying support for corrupt and nasty democrats and unwillingness to consider conservative candidates. Nancy pelosi and harry reid will be guests at mitch mcconnells dinner table before he would ever have a peasant like you there and they will laugh at the fools who have given them their power.

peacenprosperity on May 21, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 12:43 PM

Yet he only has a 32% approval rating in Kentucky? Doesn’t seem like a very effective endorsement. You may also want to notice that the primary was open to REPUBLICAN voters only. I don’t know if you noticed lately but people are leaving the GOP in droves, and those independent voters aren’t allowed to vote in the primary

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Yet he only has a 32% approval rating in Kentucky? – Brock Robamney at 1:54 PM

You discount what a dirty campaigner he is. McConnell has never been popular yet he’s won 5 terms despite that. Don’t imagine that KY was ever in love with the Mitchster.

Mitch doesn’t have to be popular. He only has to make Grimes more unpopular than he is. And in a 3rd-term election of a president who didn’t carry the state in either election, the odds favor him even more as does his incumbency and as does his position as GOP Senate leader.

I don’t know if you noticed lately but people are leaving the GOP in droves, and those independent voters aren’t allowed to vote in the primary – Brock Robamney

Maybe, maybe not. Both parties are losing voters as more young people go indy. McConnell may also be more popular with the indies and some Dems than he is with the GOP base that is more likely to cast primary votes.

By the time McConnell unleashes his wolf pack on Grimes over abortion, guns and coal, she won’t even leave a wet spot. It will be a massacre, not a War On Women but a war on just one woman: Grimes. He may actually cruise to a very decisive victory in the general. Look back at Rand’s 2010 primary and general numbers (above). Mitch/Rand had very similar numbers in the primary. And probably the general as well.

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 2:42 PM

It’s odd that you include a Reagan quote with your blind support for the turtle. Reagan actually stood for principals. The Turtle voted to fund Obamacare, raise taxes, and increase the debt

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Blind support? I’ve twice stated (in this thread) that I am not a big fan of McConnell. However, he’s done enough good that he’s worth voting for to keep a reptile like Grimes from getting into the Senate. You and others make him out to be as bad as Lincoln Chafee when he plainly is not.

So you are saying that the Turtle supports the “Let it burn” strategy? So I guess this is the acceptable position only if you are a Neocon??? Hmmmm? The GOPe sounds more and more like progressives everyday

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 12:27 PM

No, I’m saying McConnell (and Boehner) wanted to ensure “reform” was the Democrats’ child so it would make repeal more realistic.

Ted the Average on May 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM

No, I’m saying McConnell (and Boehner) wanted to ensure “reform” was the Democrats’ child so it would make repeal more realistic.
Ted the Average on May 21, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Let me state this. The GOP will never ever ever repeal Obamacare. They are big government progressives. The GOP had control for 6 years and spending did not decrease

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 6:39 PM

By the time McConnell unleashes his wolf pack on Grimes over abortion, guns and coal, she won’t even leave a wet spot. It will be a massacre, not a War On Women but a war on just one woman: Grimes. He may actually cruise to a very decisive victory in the general. Look back at Rand’s 2010 primary and general numbers (above). Mitch/Rand had very similar numbers in the primary. And probably the general as well.
Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Ok so now your argument is Rand and the Turtle are GOPe politicians? Yes we know both of them are frauds

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 6:47 PM

By tolerating and continually voting for the “lesser evil,” you’ve defined political deviance down so far that a Barack Obama became electable as a Presidential candidate.

ebrown2 on May 21, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Until you can find a perfect candidate all your choices are going to be “imperfect” versus “more imperfect” and the last time we saw someone who was perfect we nailed them to a cross. (I know, I’m repeating myself. I actually stole that from my mom) You are always, as long as you are choosing between humans who are imperfect, going to be choosing the lesser of 2 evils, which is another way of saying “the better choice”.
You wrote: “you’ve defined political deviance down so far that a Barack Obama became electable as a Presidential candidate” which is a bit mind blowing. I have consistently voted for the most conservative, electable candidate and worked to get others to do so, often in the face of childish temper tantrums and insults because I will never give up on the republic. I didn’t make Obama electable, the phony conservatives who stayed home on election day because his opposition, be it McCain or Romney, wasn’t everything they wanted out of a candidate did.

V7_Sport on May 21, 2014 at 7:57 PM

runawayyyy on May 21, 2014 at 9:13 AM

You are aware that there are airports that lead out of this gone Republic to other lands where hubby doesn’t beat you. Ask for the diva discount, maybe they will give you a bump to business class.

V7_Sport on May 21, 2014 at 2:19 AM

And where, exactly, do you think we should go?

If you are rooting for the collapse of the republic, straight to blazes.

What’s gonna be left, anywhere, when this place collapses?

Nothing, which is why we need to fight it out here.

Neither party has shown the slightest interest in stopping, let alone slowing down, the crushing overspending going on since Nixon (yes, the last true budget surplus was 1969).

There were budget surpluses under Clinton because of the GOP congress.

Both parties are all in for amnesty,

If that were true we would have had it by now.

Neither party has bothered to stop the illegal “lawmaking” going on in the executive branch. It’s tough to even find someone elected to even complain about it, in either party. What they are doing is as unconstitutional as anything ever in the history of this country, but no one seems to care one bit.

Agreed, they continue because they don’t have anyone holding them accountable. There are groups like Juditial watch but they are pretty maxed out. It’s a problem, now what? Work the problem? Troubleshoot? Or pledge to let the country burn?

The tiniest minority of the population is now successfully destroying the lives of people for the mere act of thinking differently than them. Sterling is scum, but the Mozilla guy? What did he do to deserve what he got? And yet, he got it and no one bothers to care.

Push back. I recently did. No one in my company went to the BS compulsory LBGT and Race grievance day camp of shame and self loathing that was planned for us to work on a federal contract. We said no and they backed off. Want to push back? Click on my name and find out about a good man who is being persecuted by a crapweasel who couldn’t stand a little towel snapping in the locker room that she barged into.

Just exactly where do you think this all ends? Where has it always ended? Where is there, in all the world’s history, a single exception?

It ends with us getting off our rear ends and working to preserve the republic, or it ends in collapse. A great start at rolling this back is getting rid of Harry Reid and ending Obamas agenda.

Whether you want to let it burn or not, it’s going to burn and there is no longer anything we can do to stop it.

If you believe that, you owe it to yourself to bail out. Leave. Let those of us that recognize that the USA has overcome worse than a confederacy of pajama-boys and Sharptons. If you can’t be counted on to push back against that you don’t belong here. It’s really that simple.

Believing otherwise is naive at best.

We defeated the Soviets, the Nazis, the British, the French, the Spanish, built an economy the size of the next 5 combined, put a man on the moon and you want to let it all burn because it’s going to be hard to fix the problems. YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION to this country, you owe better to better men who have sacrificed their lives for your freedom and prosperity. My fathers generation would have stomped their guts out yet we cower at home because it takes work to take back what we have ceded to the left, given to them because we couldn’t be bothered to maintain it. (Schools, media, press.. now the political)

At least here, I can defend myself (for now….oh yeah, they’re still trying to disarm us).

You poor thing. Evil doers everywhere. It would be easier to just leave.

V7_Sport on May 21, 2014 at 8:17 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/374528/print

V7_Sport on May 21, 2014 at 12:53 AM

National Review is a worthless anti-Conservative rag, and has been since WFB’s death. Clickbait like this won’t fly.

Myron Falwell on May 21, 2014 at 8:15 AM

In other words, “I can’t address the argument so they are against us and LA LA LA LA, I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!!”. Dude. Come on. There is nothing anti-Conservative about this or NR.

V7_Sport on May 21, 2014 at 8:20 PM

National Review is a worthless anti-Conservative rag, and has been since WFB’s death. Clickbait like this won’t fly.
Myron Falwell on May 21, 2014 at 8:15 AM

They’re neocons

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Ok so now your argument is Rand and the Turtle are GOPe politicians? Yes we know both of them are frauds – Brock Robamney at 6:47 PM

And the only venue for true cons is HotAir and a handful of online forums? And your solution is loser’s spite and wanting to defeat a Republican at all costs, including a possible Senate majority, merely to demonstrate your unshakeable convictions of conservative purity?

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 10:06 PM

And the only venue for true cons is HotAir and a handful of online forums? And your solution is loser’s spite and wanting to defeat a Republican at all costs, including a possible Senate majority, merely to demonstrate your unshakeable convictions of conservative purity?
Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Purism???? Hmmmm. Thou dost protesteth too much. You might want to check out what’s happening to Mike Lee in Utah, a sitting Republican senator who is under attack from the Turtle and his neocon horde. [football spike]

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 10:22 PM

Lee and Cruz made some enemies during the government shutdown. They went too far for the Senate club. They haven’t done themselves any favors, mostly just isolated themselves inside the caucus.

Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Lee and Cruz made some enemies during the government shutdown. They went too far for the Senate club. They haven’t done themselves any favors, mostly just isolated themselves inside the caucus.
Toocon on May 21, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Neocon dictionary

Going too far: keeping promises made on the campaign trail by actually taking steps to kill Obamacare which 60% of Americans oppose

Brock Robamney on May 22, 2014 at 5:05 AM

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