Menendez scuttles pro-Israel bill over an amendment that would have given Congress a voice in any Iranian deal

posted at 1:21 pm on May 20, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Early this year, the Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act — a proposed bill that would intensify economic sanctions against Iran if and when it fails to meet the terms of any eventual international agreement that “must make it impossible [for Iran] to develop a nuclear weapon” — had an informally veto-proof majority before Democrats started bailing out at the behest of ardent lobbying against it by the White House. Democratic Sen. Bob Menendez was one of the main leaders on that legislation before he along with Harry Reid dutifully complied with the White House’s oppugnancy, and Menendez is apparently still taking those don’t-mess-with-our-process-on-Iran marching orders from the White House on a new piece of pro-Israel legislation.

The United States-Israel Strategic Partnership Act would designate Israel as our “major strategic partner” and strengthen our intelligence and military ties, but last Thursday, Republican Sen. Bob Corker introduced an amendment that would give Congress the right to hold a “vote of disapproval” on any U.S.-sponsored deal on Iran’s nuclear program. The amendment wouldn’t carry the full force of the law, but it would allow Congress to hold hearings and very publicly and explicitly express its feelings on the matter; Josh Rogin at The Daily Beast has more from Corker:

“Let’s face it, Congress has been totally iced out on this issue since its inception. I cannot imagine an issue that’s more important to Israel than these negotiations with Iran over nuclear weapons,” Corker said. “Hopefully many Democrats would agree that we should at least have an opportunity to weigh in on the final agreement… after its negotiated.” …

Corker says his new idea should be more palatable because it only provides for hearings and a vote, without dictating final terms of the negotiations or levying new sanctions. …

“We’re not adding any sanctions, we’re not involving ourselves in the negotiations, we just want to be able to weigh in on it. So it doesn’t impede their ability to negotiate,” Corker said. “This is the only opportunity for Congress to have an opportunity to weigh in on the negotiations.”

But the normally hawkish Menendez, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, just nixed the entire bill from the agenda for now because of Corker’s proposed amendment — which, as the WFB explains, is no small thing, what with all the lobbying that pro-Israel groups have been doing in the legislation’s favor:

The fallout from a rushed, late night decision by a leading Democrat to scuttle key pro-Israel legislation in a bid to appease the Obama administration threatens to complicate efforts by Democrats to hold on to the Senate, according to sources on Capitol Hill and in the pro-Israel community. …

Menendez called off the vote in order to prevent Sen. Bob Corker (R., Tenn.) from introducing an amendment that would grant Congress a final say on any deal the Obama administration strikes with Iran regarding its contested nuclear program, according to congressional aides. …

Corker’s Iran oversight measure would have put Senate Democrats in a tricky political position, forcing them to choose between the White House and the pro-Israel community just months before critical mid-term elections.

Senior officials in the pro-Israel community warned that Menendez’s efforts to insulate his fellow Democrats from taking a politically inconvenient vote will be remembered come November.

“How many more times is this president going to force Senate Democrats to walk the plank for his failed policies?” asked one official with a Washington, D.C.-based pro-Israel group who requested anonymity.

An excellent question, no?


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Leftists hate Israel.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Yup. But I am an Islamphobic, misogynistic, racist. The only thing leftist like/love is power. Israel is inconvenient. As is the Constitution.

Chuck Ef on May 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Obama is just protecting us from another diabolical conspiracy as outlined in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Were any Caribbean prostitutes harmed?

Bmore on May 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM

“How many more times is this president going to force Senate Democrats to walk the plank for his failed policies?” asked one official with a Washington, D.C.-based pro-Israel group who requested anonymity.

Until 20 January 2017.

Johnnyreb on May 20, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Corker’s Iran oversight measure would have put Senate Democrats in a tricky political position, forcing them to choose between the White House and the pro-Israel community just months before critical mid-term elections.

A choice between bad (the White House) and good (the pr-Israel community) baffles Democrats.

Bitter Clinger on May 20, 2014 at 1:35 PM

*pro-Israel

Bitter Clinger on May 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Were any Caribbean prostitutes harmed?

Bmore on May 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM

…no!…they weren’t included on the side!…so he scuttled it!

KOOLAID2 on May 20, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Since we all know that Jews control everything, this does not bode well for Democrats in November. Oh wait, Jews vote Dem despite such affronts to Israel. Never mind.

Occams Stubble on May 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Since we all know that Jews control everything, this does not bode well for Democrats in November. Oh wait, Jews vote Dem despite such affronts to Israel. Never mind.

Occams Stubble on May 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM

That just shows how manically devious they are.

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 1:39 PM

This was Corker’s idea? Seriously? Color me impressed (for a change)…

ladyingray on May 20, 2014 at 1:40 PM

“How many more times is this president going to force Senate Democrats to walk the plank for his failed policies?” asked one official with a Washington, D.C.-based pro-Israel group who requested anonymity.

Obama cannot allow any friendly legislation through, it will severely undermine his efforts to rule by fiat. Dems are just playing ball.

nobar on May 20, 2014 at 1:40 PM

The president is only four or eight years. A seat in congress is forever. The Dems should really keep an eye on the long game. On second thought, when was the last time the Jews abandoned the Dems?

Immolate on May 20, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Why do the demoncrats hate Israel and the US equally?

No Time Clock on May 20, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Were any Caribbean prostitutes harmed?

Bmore on May 20, 2014 at 1:33 PM

You’s as bad as they come.

Melle thinks that I love you, because of the Bmores, on top of pages :)

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 1:52 PM

OT – sheeple of the land, unite!!!

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 1:59 PM

OT, but important

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Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM

“How many more times is this president going to force Senate Democrats to walk the plank for his failed policies?” asked one official with a Washington, D.C.-based pro-Israel group who requested anonymity.

I didn’t realize AIPAC’s jail cells had phones.

Amazing how any other country that ran a psyops outfit openly in DC would have the right up in arms. Hell, just the idea of a muslim youth center in the vicinity of the WTC wreckage was a call for mass lynchings a couple years ago. But Israel can never be wrong to the right.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Oh wait, Jews vote Dem despite such affronts to Israel. Never mind.

Occams Stubble on May 20, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Obviously you know that all jews should think alike and do whatever the state of Israel says.

Wait, is it just possible that such views might in and of themselves drive jews away from your party?

Maybe? Think about it…

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Leftists hate Israel.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Speaking as a leftist, I don’t hate Israel, I hate that we treat Israel so differently than the rest of the world. How many first world nations do we send billions in aid to? How many do we gikve our most advanced weapons even though they’ve been caught selling those weapons to our major rivals like China. How many other countries do we allow to openly engage in manipulating our government and steal secrets from us?

If this were any other country we’d have thrown a huge fit and threatened to completely cut them off at best or military retaliation at worst.

But for Israel we always turn the other cheek.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 2:50 PM

“How many more times is this president going to force Senate Democrats to walk the plank for his failed policies?”

2 1/2 more years.

GarandFan on May 20, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Speaking as a leftist retard…

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 2:50 PM

I don’t hate Israel, I hate that we treat Israel so differently than the rest of the world despise it. How many first world nations do we send billions in aid to?

None, but the Cold War is over, and Islamofascists are the latest enemies. At least they were before the Ukraine debacle.

How many other countries do we allow to openly engage in manipulating our government and steal secrets from us?

All. Dude, the phone tapping scandal is so 3 months ago?

If this were any other country we’d have thrown a huge fit and threatened to completely cut them off at best or military retaliation at worst.

Yeah, we would invade Great Britain if we caught one of their spies…

But for Israel we always turn the other cheek.

Can you name a single other country in that region that is free, and willing to fight against Islamofascism?

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 2:50 PM

In other words, you hate Israel. Thanks for the clarification.

NOMOBO on May 20, 2014 at 3:11 PM

If this were any other country we’d have thrown a huge fit and threatened to completely cut them off at best or military retaliation at worst.

But for Israel we always turn the other cheek.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Idiotic comment, Turkey got tonnes of aid too and they refused to open their air space to us during the Iraq war, and at no time did the US threatened to cut them off the aid. Saudi Arabia get our most advanced weapons too and they are ambiguous to say the least when it comes to the US’s efforts in the region. The only way they reluctantly help is because they hate the Iranian regime, but it says absolutely nada about their loyalties (or lack thereif) to the US. Egypt got billions of dollars in aid from us and it’s nowhere close to a reliable partner in the region. They still get it, despite the crassinstability in the country. As for the military retaliation, that must be the dumbest thing I have ever read around here…against who did (or would) the US retaliate, China’s cyber bullying and ‘stealing secrets from us’ lol :), heck Bubba handed it all to them on a silver plate :)…this imbecilic meme that Israel ‘tried to steal secrets’ is just the latest fed to the conspiracy theory tin foil crowd by Indyk and all the nutjobs at the state department, to cover for the recent huge fail by Kerry & comp in the ME peace process.

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 3:15 PM

But for Israel we always turn the other cheek.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 2:50 PM

You are just so shallow. How many other of our allies are completely surrounded by mortal enemies? How many of our other allies are so invested in fighting islamofacism? How many other Democracies are there in the Middle East? Not to mention some pretty strong economic ties and moral similarities.

So, no, it is not surprising how we treat Israel. Actually what is surprising at how crappy Obutthead treats Israel, but it is questionable if he is acting in America’s best interests.

NOMOBO on May 20, 2014 at 3:18 PM

None, but the Cold War is over, and Islamofascists are the latest enemies. At least they were before the Ukraine debacle.

You have no idea how telling it is that in your world view there must always be a big-e Enemy to hate and fear.

Can you name a single other country in that region that is free, and willing to fight against Islamofascism?

I’d care a lot more if the freedom provided to the indigenous people wasn’t to have their homes bulldozed, land stolen, and children murdered. Let me know when Israel stops doing all those things.

As for Islamofascism, since you’ve already inadvertently admitted it’s nothing more than your need to manufacture some enemy that fuels that paranoia, I’m pretty indifferent to whether a country fights it.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Idiotic comment, Turkey got tonnes of aid too and they refused to open their air space to us during the Iraq war, and at no time did the US threatened to cut them off the aid.

Really? You’re comparing not opening air space that we didn’t need for a war we shouldn’t have fought to Israel staling secrets? Really, you think you can sell that argument?

I admit to serious skepticism.

Egypt got billions of dollars in aid from us and it’s nowhere close to a reliable partner in the region.

Egypt controlls the Suez, our aid to them was purely a geopolitical calculation. Israel controls no vital resources.

this imbecilic meme that Israel ‘tried to steal secrets’ is just the latest fed to the conspiracy theory tin foil crowd by Indyk and all the nutjobs at the state department, to cover for the recent huge fail by Kerry & comp in the ME peace process.

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 3:15 PM

You mean the case where Franlin pled guilty to several counts of passing sensitive defense information to a foreign agent? Yeah that’s totally a conspiracy theory…

If you were setting out to prove my point- mission accomplished. Despite overwhelming and direct evidence the instant that the accusation involves Israel you simply cannot accept it and must deflect the wrong on others.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:27 PM

I’d care a lot more if the freedom provided to the indigenous people wasn’t to have their homes bulldozed, land stolen, and children murdered. Let me know when Israel stops doing all those things.

As for Islamofascism, since you’ve already inadvertently admitted it’s nothing more than your need to manufacture some enemy that fuels that paranoia, I’m pretty indifferent to whether a country fights it.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:20 PM

A naqba nutjob, not surprising… What land stollen, the one that they willingly forfeited when 7 Arab nations in the region attack Israel? Let me know when tne Brits return the Falklands and Gibraltar to their rigntful owners, the Czech return the Sudetenland to the Germans, the French give Alsace-Lorraine back to the Germans and so on…also let me know when Hamas and Hezbollah stop sending rockets into Israel and kill innocent kids there.

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 3:29 PM

You have no idea how telling it is that in your world view there must always be a big-e Enemy to hate and fear.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Yeah, quite telling my head isn’t buried in the sand. Have you heard of an obscure little joint that just opened in New York called the 9/11 Memorial Museum?

I’d care a lot more if the freedom provided to the indigenous people wasn’t to have their homes bulldozed, land stolen, and children murdered. Let me know when Israel stops doing all those things.

You buy all the lies told about Israel, and yet you don’t hate Israel…

As for Islamofascism, since you’ve already inadvertently admitted it’s nothing more than your need to manufacture some enemy that fuels that paranoia, I’m pretty indifferent to whether a country fights it.

If you can’t see the dangers that exist in the world you really ain’t worth conversing with. What’s next, saying Russia is only a regional threat/power?

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 3:30 PM

You are just so shallow. How many other of our allies are completely surrounded by mortal enemies? How many of our other allies are so invested in fighting islamofacism? How many other Democracies are there in the Middle East? Not to mention some pretty strong economic ties and moral similarities.

So, no, it is not surprising how we treat Israel. Actually what is surprising at how crappy Obutthead treats Israel, but it is questionable if he is acting in America’s best interests.

NOMOBO on May 20, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Why should I care that Israel is surrounded by enemies when it’s their own belligerence that caused that state? Why should I care that Israel feeds your delusions about islamofascism being a threat?

Iran was a democracy before we overthrew it. I’m guessing you’d prefer not to talk about that. So let’s talk about Israeli democracy- it’s an illusion. The native arab population is going to be larger than the native jewish population in a few years. If you think that Israel will continue as a democracy past that point you’ve paid no attention. The suffrage of non-jew will be revoked fulfilling the apartheid state prediction that Israeli politicians themselves have made.

Our strong ties economically all involve us giving them money. Funny how giving money to a starving family makes them moochers, takers, and parasites, but giving money to a rich country is great!

It’s almost as if you had absolutely no consistency in your “principles.”

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Tlaloc: Convenient how you neglect the three wars launched against Israel after its formation, in which they won the lands you claim they “stole”. Convenient how you forget that the state itself was formed after the local Arabic kingdoms sided with the Nazis in WWII… And lost.

Name a country that goes to war and doesn’t take land from the losing country, especially when the losing country was the first to attack. You won’t be able to, because this sudden expectation had been applied to none but Israel.

And it’s not like the Arabs have been good neighbors or anything. I mean, it’s perfectly understandable that they should be allowed to bomb schools, busses, and pizza parlors constantly and indiscriminately… Yeah? Anyone else sensing some absurdity? Beuller? …Beuller?

Huh. That’s odd…I don’t see anyone else volunteering to have their children’s hospitals blown up randomly by rockets and mortars.

Asurea on May 20, 2014 at 3:34 PM

Why should I care that Israel is surrounded by enemies when it’s their own belligerence that caused that state?

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Yeah, a leftist that doesn’t hate Israel my a$$. The lie revealed.

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Oh, puhlease, everybody spy on everybody, you are such a hypocrite. France (and I am French) does the worst kind of economic espionage, mostly on its Europen allies, as recently uncovered, the Brits spy on us, we spy on them, the Germans are our allies, we spy on them. So, stop making a fool of yourself by singling out Israeli ‘instances of espionage’ solely to serve your argument. Besides you are so stuck in the past and not with the times, precisely that a lot of Israeli ex-generals and ex-members of their famous intelligence unit 8200 currently work with and for the US defence contractors, so it’s fair to say that we use their brainpower and resources more than they use ours. Not to mention all the Israeli tech startups bought by American entrepreneurs or co tributed to by angel investors.

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 3:41 PM

You buy all the lies told about Israel, and yet you don’t hate Israel…

Of course this never happened

there’s nothing to see here.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

Have you heard of an obscure little joint that just opened in New York called the 9/11 Memorial Museum?

You mean that event that killed less than 1/10 of the people killed every year because we insist on cars instead of mass transit? Yeah, heard of it. Not impressed though. Other than the psychological impact the actual damage was minimal. In fact in 2001 in India they had an earthquake that killed about 7 times as many people. It was only our smug sense of invincibility that actually caused the event to be so psychologically damaging.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Yeah, a leftist that doesn’t hate Israel my a$$. The lie revealed.

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 3:37 PM

So if you don’t feel like rescuing someone from the results of their behaviors that means you hate them?

Interesting view.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Oh, puhlease, everybody spy on everybody, you are such a hypocrite.

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Duh, of course everyone spies on everyone. And yet when a country like China gets caught spying the right freaks out demanding sanctions, saber rattling, et cetera. But all the while Israel operates an open spy op in DC and the right not only doesn’t freak out they actively work to shield them from any consequences for their espionage.

That’s the hypocrisy you smell.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Name a country that goes to war and doesn’t take land from the losing country, especially when the losing country was the first to attack. You won’t be able to, because this sudden expectation had been applied to none but Israel.

Remind me, how much of Germany and Japan did we take? How much of Korea? How much of Grenada?

huh.

Could you make arguments that take me longer than 2 seconds to demolish? Ah, you’re going for quantity of argument over quality? Gotcha.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Speaking as a leftist retard…

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 2:50 PM

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Hehehehehehe….

Chuck Ef on May 20, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Of course this never happened…

there’s nothing to see here.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:42 PM

I’m not bothered by a single instance in which the one accused of wrongdoing was acquitted. But pointing to the extremely rare possible bad apples as your evidence that Israel is evil only highlights your own obnoxious hatred of Israel.

You mean that event that killed less than 1/10 of the people killed every year because we insist on cars instead of mass transit?

And even fewer died at Pearl Harbor. So I guess your point is…I don’t know. You got me.

Yeah, heard of it. Not impressed though. Other than the psychological impact the actual damage was minimal. In fact in 2001 in India they had an earthquake that killed about 7 times as many people. It was only our smug sense of invincibility that actually caused the event to be so psychologically damaging.

Please tell us more about how awful the United States is.

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Remind me, how much of Germany and Japan did we take? How much of Korea? How much of Grenada?

huh.

Could you make arguments that take me longer than 2 seconds to demolish? Ah, you’re going for quantity of argument over quality? Gotcha.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

We took half of Germany, and all of Japan. And we retreated in Korea.

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 3:52 PM

So if you don’t feel like rescuing someone from the results of their behaviors that means you hate them?

Interesting view.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Lol, cute. You are ignorant of history, ignorant of threats to our security, and ignorant of truly free people. Yet you’re going to rescue everyone from themselves.

NotCoach on May 20, 2014 at 3:54 PM

May 20, 2014 at 3:48 pm Tlaloc

Let’s see… We weren’t the only players in WWII. We essentially ruled Germany as a proxy state for several decades, and they surrendered lands to other, local, European nations. So that argument is a failure.

Japan spent 40 years as our economic pawn, and would be essentially at China’s mercy if not for our support. Ditto South Korea. Illusions of independence are not, in fact, independence. Additionally, the Japanese surrendered islands to our allies, such as Australia.

Grenada was a ****hole. Still is. No one in their right mind wants a 3rd-world wasteland.

So much for your “2 second deconstruction”.

Asurea on May 20, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Duh, of course everyone spies on everyone. And yet when a country like China gets caught spying the right freaks out demanding sanctions, saber rattling, et cetera. But all the while Israel operates an open spy op in DC and the right not only doesn’t freak out they actively work to shield them from any consequences for their espionage.

That’s the hypocrisy you smell.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Wow, saber rattling, stop making up shiznak to suit your stupid argument, people on the right mostly make fun of the whole chinese spying situation precisely because that everybody knows there’s not a damn thing that we could do about it other than spy back on them. Which we do, plenty, as per Saint Snowden anyways. So shut up already about the israeli espionage, you sound like a broken record, you admitted already that everybody spies on everybody, so your point is moot, better yet you don’t have a point, save for your self-serving hypocrisy.

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Remind me, how much of Germany and Japan did we take? How much of Korea? How much of Grenada?

huh.

Could you make arguments that take me longer than 2 seconds to demolish? Ah, you’re going for quantity of argument over quality? Gotcha.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Apples and oranges, but nice try…you compare a small regional conflict with a world conflagration that engulfed almost the whole planet, at the end of which 2 superpowers (of which we are one) divided the world in spheres of influence…you really are dumber than I thought initially… Besides, there was no need to seize territory as such, we put troops in there (what do you think was the message sent to the autohtonous population ), heck we have troops stationed there, for an undefinite period of time, as in in they are still there to this day…would it make you feel better if the Israeli put troops in and govern all of the West Bank militarily (Gaza is not even an issue anymore since they retreated unilaterally from there) and rebuild it ‘German’ style….only problem is that the Palis are not the Germans, so it would have never worked…

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Tlaloc, it sounds like you’ve attended a Hamas school in Gaza. Your “facts” are putrid rank opinions with no basis in fact. You obfuscate with the same skill as your arab terrorist brethren. I would be happy to have a debate with you on this subject if you would promise not to lie, but I can’t imagine you would be able to contain yourself.

NOMOBO on May 20, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Our strong ties economically all involve us giving them money.
Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I’ll start for you if you’re still here. Who the hell do you think developed and perfected those drone aircraft your Boy Wonder is so fond of? And I’ll bet you didn’t know that they all but gifted that technology to the U.S. The strong economic ties are a two-way street, buster. But they don’t teach that stuff in the Hamas schools in Gaza, do they?

NOMOBO on May 20, 2014 at 5:54 PM

I think Tlaloc is missing perspective on war…

I wonder if he’s ever heard of the Khwarazmian Empire? Their Shah shaved two ambassadors and beheaded their translator. Just one guy and some hair, yeah?

In response, the nation he offended slaughtered his entire kingdom. Only a single city was known to be spared.

This is how war is supposed to be fought: to destroy the enemy. Not to make friends or build nations, but to burn them to the ground.

Asurea on May 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Intersting how this Tlaloc imbecile is named after a Aztec (or perhaps Mayan) god. Yeah they both were real peace loving human sacfificing mass murderers huh?

Funny how these imbeciles are actually getting stupider in everyway.
Nice how he/she/it also can’t argue properly but must cut and paste or hyperlink to Wikipedia!

Shows the level of intelligence and sophistication…

AM YISROEL CHAI
Long Live America

Janovus on May 20, 2014 at 6:34 PM

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:33 PM

No offense, you really aren’t very good at this. Practice, practice, practice.

Bmore on May 20, 2014 at 6:43 PM

So if you don’t feel like rescuing someone from the results of their behaviors that means you hate them?

Interesting view.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Lool, this deserves its own hashtag. #libtard-busybodies-for-saving-israel-from-itself :)

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 8:38 PM

This is how war is supposed to be fought: to destroy the enemy. Not to make friends or build nations, but to burn them to the ground.

Asurea on May 20, 2014 at 6:01 PM

oh, well, libtard’s doctrine is predicated on creating comfort zones for our our enemies and boosting their self-esteem :)…after all we have to fight humanely and not demonize our enemy :).. war is all about feeling good about selves :).

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Leftists hate Israel.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Leftists founded Israel.

lexhamfox on May 20, 2014 at 8:56 PM

I’ll start for you if you’re still here. Who the hell do you think developed and perfected those drone aircraft your Boy Wonder is so fond of? And I’ll bet you didn’t know that they all but gifted that technology to the U.S. The strong economic ties are a two-way street, buster. But they don’t teach that stuff in the Hamas schools in Gaza, do they?

NOMOBO on May 20, 2014 at 5:54 PM

I tried to make the exact same point upthread, but you can’t reason with stupid. Hypocrites like him make me puke. The Chinese stole and copied pretty much everything under the sun, from wherever they could, whenever they could, from us, heck, from the whole world, I don’t think that a single original thought or blueprint ever went into anything manufactured in china these past 40 years…and nobody gives a shite, truly it wouldn’t matter since we can’t do anything about it…yet dimtard here is extremely preoccupied with an isolated cases of Israeli espionage…while conveniently ignoring how we benefit from the Israeli warfare expertise through their ex-IDF folks who consult with/for all the major defence contractors here, on major defence projects. My in-law works for Norhtrop and was with Lockheed up until an year ago, they fly-in Israeli experts all the time, a lot of them work in their R&D depts, so, yeah you need a lot of levels of clearance for that. And most of them are not even dual citizens, like many Israeli-Americans are, which makes it difficult for these companies to get them in, especially with the idiots at the State Dept sabotaging their visas process at every turn. And yet they are hot commodity and the defence contactors make efforts to get them here.

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Leftists hate Israel.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Leftists founded Israel.

lexhamfox on May 20, 2014 at 8:56 PM

and freemasons founded the US :)…pick your tin foil poison :)

jimver on May 20, 2014 at 9:21 PM

May 20, 2014 at 8:42 pm jimver

Too true lol

We haven’t truly won a war since we started fighting by CNN’s rules…

Asurea on May 20, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Name a country that goes to war and doesn’t take land from the losing country, especially when the losing country was the first to attack. You won’t be able to, because this sudden expectation had been applied to none but Israel.

Remind me, how much of Germany and Japan did we take? How much of Korea? How much of Grenada?

huh.

Could you make arguments that take me longer than 2 seconds to demolish? Ah, you’re going for quantity of argument over quality? Gotcha.

Tlaloc on May 20, 2014 at 3:48 PM

We have had troops and bases in both Japan and Germany since their surrender in 1945 and will well into this century especially with China wanting to play Mr. Big Shot. We did occupy them in the military sense of the word for at least a decade each after capitulation. The French and the Russians, our allies, both took land; Russia from both Japan and Germany. We are still, technically, at war with North Korea and that was a war fought to preserve South Korea as an independent nation and not to place in the United States of America. Grenada as well; that was fought to keep Grenada as a democratic member of the British Commonwealth and not let it become a Marxist dictatorship.

As for Israel the land they took in 1967 was the fault of the Arabs who were planning on wiping out Israel and telegraphed their intentions; the Israelis simply beat them to the punch. They, against my advice, did return Sina to Egypt. The ’67 strike was a military necessity for Israel and would not have occurred had the Arabs simply lived with the Israelis in peace.

Conquest is a reason, but not the sole reason, to go to war.
Survival is another.

Bubba Redneck on May 21, 2014 at 12:18 AM

Leftists hate Israel.

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Leftists founded Israel.

lexhamfox on May 20, 2014 at 8:56 PM

The Leftists of 19th and early 20th century Israel were primarily European socialists, before Communism buried the ideals of that philosophy.
They found out pretty quickly that socialism works only on the small scale of the kibbutz, and Israelis now run the country as a whole on principles of American-style regulated-capitalism & moderated-democracy.

The Leftists of 20th & 21st century America and Europe hate that.
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That said, the paradigm of monolithic “Left” and “Right” is inapplicable over a long-range of history and geography, because the total constellation of principles embraced by each faction are specific to different eras and countries (e.g., the American Right eschews monarchy, unlike the 18th c. French Right).
However, the distinction between socialism (government control of economic and social activity) and free-market-free-agency remains constant.

AesopFan on May 21, 2014 at 12:47 AM

“Why should I care that Israel is surrounded by enemies when it’s their own belligerence that caused that state?”

Biggest crock of horsesh*t ever. Let’s recap – this is for lexhamfux too:

1948 – Jews accept the partition of Palestine (already mostly partitioned out to Arabs in the 1920s) while the Arabs reject it and promise a “war of annihilation”.

1949 – At the end of the war the West Bank and Gaza are still in Arab hands but no Palestinian state is established. So the fault for there not being a Palestine is 100% the Arabs’, 0% Israel’s.

1967 – In the runup to the 6-day war the Arabs boast out loud they are going to “finish what Hitler started. But they didn’t.

1979 – The only Arab leader to truly reach out his hand in peace to the Jewish state (which is a tiny sliver of land in an Arab world stretching nearly 3000 miles) signs a peace treaty with Israel and Israel returns 90% of the land taken in 1967. Sadat is then ostracized by the rest of the Arabs and soon gets his brains blown out for his trouble.

2000 – Palestinians reject a peace offer that gives them most of what they wanted, including shared control of Jerusalem. Then they decide to pursue their cause by blowing up Israelis going out for pizza.

2006 – In the only free election held by the Palestinians they choose Hamas, whose charter calls for the murder of Jews. Not Israelis. Not Zionists. Not “settlers”. Jews.

The Palestinians are the luckiest motherf*ckers in the world to have Jews as enemies. If they had tried that terrorism/suicide bombing/schoolkid rocketing crap against anyone else they would have been ground to dust a long time ago. And if you think Israel treats them badly you should get a load of how they’re treated by their Arab “brothers”.

FOAF on May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM

“Leftists founded Israel”

That was a long time ago but doesn’t seem to be in effect any more judging from these comments to say nothing of the behavior of the Obama administration. But maybe lf is the type who blames Jews for stuff that happened a lot longer ago than that.

And by the way, tlaloc, do you realize what a pathetic hypocritical d-bag you look like when you try to come off as Mr. Superpatriot all outraged about Israel’s alleged spying and then blow off 9/11 as no biggie?

FOAF on May 21, 2014 at 1:18 AM

That said, the paradigm of monolithic “Left” and “Right” is inapplicable over a long-range of history and geography, because the total constellation of principles embraced by each faction are specific to different eras and countries (e.g., the American Right eschews monarchy, unlike the 18th c. French Right).
However, the distinction between socialism (government control of economic and social activity) and free-market-free-agency remains constant.

AesopFan on May 21, 2014 at 12:47 AM

).. TY! Good history lesson for the obsessive, single-idea types like lexhamfox. Not that it will persuade him of anything, he’s firmly in the ‘it’s the JOOOS’ camp, but at least he got properly schooled on the topic and he can’t feign ignorance from now on.

jimver on May 21, 2014 at 3:22 AM