Decision day Foregone conclusion day in Kentucky

posted at 10:01 am on May 20, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Voters in Kentucky go to the polls today to either put the final nail in the Matt Bevin political coffin or deliver the world’s biggest unpleasant surprise to incumbent Mitch McConnell in the US Senate primary. Despite some Tea Party grassroots support and a boatload of ill will from the grassroots groups directed at the Senate Minority Leader, Bevin’s candidacy never took off in Kentucky. His own shortcomings as a candidate, especially in his flip-flopping on TARP and his odd participation in a cockfighting-rights rally, undermined the Tea Party vs Establishment narrative long ago.

But don’t let that stop media outlets from pursuing that narrative regardless:

If Mitch McConnell wins the Kentucky Republican primary Tuesday – polls suggest he leads – some will wonder if the tea party is losing influence. What it’s really lost is the element of surprise.

In 2010 and 2012, a lot of Republican incumbents and favorites didn’t take on their tea party challenges early and they paid for it, but McConnell took no such chances this spring. He raised millions, mounted an aggressive campaign, and as a result goes into Tuesday night favored against tea party-backed businessman Matt Bevin.

When McConnell, the sitting Senate minority leader, drew this challenge, the political world circled May 20 on the calendar as a big test, not just for incumbent Republicans but as a measure of the animosity toward Congress that Americans have voiced this year. And in that sense, McConnell is hardly done fighting to keep his job even if he does manage to win Tuesday night.

The same anti-Washington sentiment that gave rise to this primary will also pervade the general election, and presumptive Democratic nominee, Kentucky Secretary of State Alison Lundergan Grimes, is hoping to use it against McConnell, too, come November. Polls have that potential matchup mostly neck and neck, even in this very red state and even in what figures to be a Republican-leaning year.

The discussion in the video is better than the analysis in the article itself. The Tea Party narrative really died when Rand Paul endorsed McConnell, which drew sharp criticism from Paul’s usual base of support at the time. Time has proven the wisdom of Paul’s decision, however, as Bevin has stumbled all along the path to the primary. McConnell has a lead in the Real Clear Politics polling average of 22 points now, and Bevin might not even break 40%.

What’s next? McConnell faces off against Alison Lundergan Grimes, and the RCP average looks much less favorable for the incumbent. It’s a virtual dead heat in the last four polls listed, but that takes place in the context of a primary fight for the incumbent and a walkover for the challenger. When the dust settles, McConnell will be able to focus more clearly on Grimes, and the GOP base has nearly six months to soothe its internecine tensions and get behind McConnell to keep Grimes from pulling off a surprise win.

Grimes offered some fodder to McConnell this week with her full support of late-term abortions:

Left unmentioned: abortion, the main wedge that Democrats nationwide have used to divide GOP opponents from the swingiest parts of the electorate. In a twist, it is McConnell broaching the topic, hoping to create a fissure between the national pro-abortion-rights supporters who are helping bankroll Grimes’s campaign and the conservative voters she needs to carry this Southern state. He held a press conference in Washington earlier this week pushing to ban abortions after 20 weeks.

“We should all agree that unborn children should be protected at least from the point that they’re capable of feeling pain,” McConnell pointedly said of the legislation.

Grimes supports abortion rights. “I come from a family of five women,” she says in the interview. “I would never pretend to tell one of my sisters what to do with their body and I don’t want the federal government doing that either.… When it comes to choice, I believe, should a woman have to make that decision, it’s between herself, her doctor, and her God.”

As for McConnell’s 20-week abortion ban, she says, “I think you always put the health, life, and safety of the mother first, should that decision have to be made. I’m not for moving backwards the principles the Supreme Court has set forward.”

John McCormack pointed out yesterday that this puts Grimes on the fringe in Kentucky:

By coming out against the 20-week aboriton limit, Grimes is at odds with at least two-thirds of Kentucky voters. According to a Marist poll released last week, “67% of Kentucky residents think abortion should be illegal.  This includes 21% who say it should be illegal without exceptions and 46% who say it should be illegal except in cases of rape, incest, and to save the mother’s life.  28%, however, report abortion should be legal.  Included here are 18% who say abortion should always be legal and 10% who think it should be legal most of the time.”

Grimes’s opposition to the 20-week abortion limit on the grounds that it doesn’t put the “health, life, and safety of the mother first” doesn’t make sense. The text of the bill explicitly contains an exceptionfor when “in reasonable medical judgment, the abortion is necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, but not including psychological or emotional conditions.” (Medical experts have testified before Congress that if a serious medical issue should arise late in pregnancy, delivering a child alive is actually much safer than aborting her: A live delivery of the baby can be performed in an hour, but a late-term abortion can take three days.)

Despite what some Democratic politicians have said, babies are viable–that is, they can survive long-term if born–20 weeks after conception. As Dr. Colleen Malloy of Northwestern University has noted, a Journal of the American Medical Association study found that “survival to one year of life of live born infants at 20, 21, 22, 23, and 24 weeks postfertilization age was 10%, 53%, 67%, 82%, and 85%, respectively.”

Kentucky voters will get to hear plenty on this, as well as on the economy and on ObamaCare, too. This will be a key race to watch in the midterms, but don’t be too surprised if it shifts over the summer in McConnell’s favor.


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Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Melle, that was just for you :)

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Still waiting on why Bevin would make the best candidate. It was easy to sell Cruz when he ran, just not sure about Bevin.

Tater Salad on May 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM

That makes us even, then. I’m still waiting for a -sane- reason why voting for amnesty supporters and Obama Supreme Court enablers will help either the republic or the Republican party.

ebrown2 on May 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I’ll bet anything that the final vote count will show Bevin much closer to McConnel than the 22 points he was behind going into the polls today.

All the “reporting” on this race here at HotAir has been to frame McConnel’s predicted win as a fait accompli.

sartana on May 20, 2014 at 2:04 PM

My conviction is that winning is every thing while your conviction is that losing is noble. Therefore we get candidates such as Christine O’Donnell, Richard Mourdock, Todd Akin, and Sharron Angle.

Hilts on May 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM

No one knows losing more than the establishment. You have to cherry pick 4 candidates over the span of 2 years while I can name 7 establishment backed, Rove backed candidates that lost in 2012 alone.

Rove’s/Establishment Magnificent 7 from 2012:

Denny Rehberg
Rick Berg
Tommy Thompson
Connie Mack
Heather Wilson
Linda Lingle
Scott Brown

While all you have is Akin(who wasn’t even a tea party candidate) and Murdouck.

tcufrog on May 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM

OT, but don’t forget to

Report it here

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Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM

WHY does the Tea Party field so many candidates that suck, and can’t beat the incumbent?

Or…..is it because republican voters like their own teat on the Federal Sow just like Welfare or Amnesty or Abortion voters for the Democrats?

TEAT UP AMURICA.

PappyD61 on May 20, 2014 at 2:06 PM

ebrown2 on May 20, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Amen!

tomshup on May 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM

tcufrog on May 20, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Good job! Premature obituaries for the Tea Party are just as frustrating as another type of premature happenstance!

tomshup on May 20, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Melle, that was just for you :)

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 2:01 PM

He he

melle1228 on May 20, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Missy, what exactly do you think Grimes can do in the minority?

smitty41 on May 20, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Um, it might not be the minority if McConnell loses.

We are not guaranteed to take back the Senate. Pryor and Landrieu are looking better in recent weeks – just a couple of examples of how things might turn around. We will have to fight hard for every seat. They will be cheating big time. Even if we do retake it, we need every seat we can get to maximize the majority.

I know, the GOP disappoints. It disappoints me too. I’m angry at McConnell about a lot of things. But with a GOP Senate in 2017, we at least have a slim chance of rescuing the country. Without it, we have almost no chance.

Missy on May 20, 2014 at 2:32 PM

Denny Rehberg
Rick Berg
Tommy Thompson
Connie Mack
Heather Wilson
Linda Lingle
Scott Brown

Yep. And everyone talks about O’Donnell and Angle in 2010. How about Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina? Millions upon millions of dollars wasted on those races.

Missy on May 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM

GOP Senate in 2017

UGH – meant 2015

Out too late last night.

Missy on May 20, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Hilts on May 20, 2014 at 12:12 PM
because you don’t have the courage of conviction somehow we are the problem. Funny.
smitty41 on May 20, 2014 at 12:19 PM
My conviction is that winning is every thing while your conviction is that losing is noble. Therefore we get candidates such as Christine O’Donnell, Richard Mourdock, Todd Akin, and Sharron Angle.
Hilts on May 20, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Meanwhile, the “winning is every thing” crowd told us we had to nominate the “most electable” candidates, which stuck us with John McCain and Mitt Romney.

Shadow on May 20, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Who will be blamed if McConnell loses to Grimes?

bluegill on May 20, 2014 at 2:47 PM

People whining about the Tea Party are the real “purists.” They expect miracles from the Tea Party while accepting all the excuses in the world from non-Tea Partiers. Let’s review how this all started, shall we?

It was in the elections of 2006 that Republicans lost control of both the House of Representatives and the Senate. And it was in 2008 that Democrats won the presidency and gained even larger majorities in both houses of Congress.

Now, what had happened prior to that? The Tea Party didn’t even exist, remember? What happened was that Republicans had everything at the national level — House, Senate, and president — for the first time since 1954. And they were not very Tea Party.

They forced Medicare Part D on us using the same kind of parliamentary shenanigans that the Democrats used with ObamaCare. That was the largest expansion of entitlements since LBJ. It would add almost $8 trillion to our unfunded liabilities.
They teamed up with Democrats like Ted Kennedy to give us Campaign Finance Reform and No Child Left Behind.
They increased federal spending from 18.2% of GDP in 2000 (the lowest level of spending since 1966) to 20.8% in 2008. That cannot all be blamed on war spending, either.
They mandated more ethanol in gasoline.
They expanded Clinton’s Americorps.
President Bush signed onto legislation outlawing light bulbs.
And President Bush gave us the TARP bailout, which most Republicans in Congress voted for.
And this might be news to some of you: President Bush didn’t deregulate anything. He increased the number of regulations, the number of people regulating, and the dollars being spent on regulating.

That is why we are in the mess we’re in. The Tea Party is not demanding purity; it is demanding sanity.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/blame_the_tea_party_use_your_memory.html

ebrown2 on May 20, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Yep. And everyone talks about O’Donnell and Angle in 2010. How about Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina? Millions upon millions of dollars wasted on those races.

Missy on May 20, 2014 at 2:34 PM

The difference is that the CA races were among the biggest underdogs for the GOP. And statewide races in CA, short of a realigning election, will be so for the foreseeable future.

Mike Castle wins Delaware, and is probably the only GOP member who could do so. And we tossed him, for a Jersey girl prone to seeing agents of the opposition hiding in her bushes.

Nevada was a different story. The fact is the GOP field there sucked. And while Angle had some issues, as a friend of mine put it: “She was the only one in the field who shook my hand and asked for my vote. So she got it.” If Joe Heck or Brian Sandoval was available, maybe we take the alleged pedophile down. Try to keep that in mind next time around…

JohnGalt23 on May 20, 2014 at 3:06 PM

John McCormack pointed out yesterday that this puts Grimes on the fringe in Kentucky:

By coming out against the 20-week aboriton limit, Grimes is at odds with at least two-thirds of Kentucky voters. According to a Marist poll released last week, “67% of Kentucky residents think abortion should be illegal.

This kind of stuff is why the dems keep losing federal elections here. They are way out of step with Kentuckians on social issues. Abortion, sodomite marriages, Second Amendment, death penalty, and coal are all issues the dems keep coming down on the wrong side. Kentucky used to be a reliably blue state. The big shift came about from 1980 to 2000. That shift was driven not by right-wing economic issues but by social issues. The dems still win the governor’s race usually but it is with candidates who are pro Second Amendment and pro life.

shubalstearns on May 20, 2014 at 3:16 PM

And we tossed him, for a Jersey girl prone to seeing agents of the opposition hiding in her bushes.

We didn’t toss him. The GOP primary voters of Delaware tossed him.

Maybe the blame should be laid at Castle’s feet for disdaining the interests of his party’s voters and being such a lousy candidate that he couldn’t even win his primary.

I basically support McConnell in the KY race because I don’t think Bevin could beat the Dem and we can’t afford to lose any seats. But I sure would like to see him acknowledge that he needs the votes of the angry base.

Missy on May 20, 2014 at 3:26 PM

And besides, with the balance of the Senate in play in 2010 I’m not even sure Castle could have won. Better chance than O’Donnell? Sure. But the Dems would have poured huge amounts of money (and Maryland voters) into that race if they thought it was even remotely competitive.

And Angle – come on. Ousting a Majority Leader with all the money and union thuggery he could possibly want or need – that was not going to be a cakewalk for any R candidate.

Missy on May 20, 2014 at 3:29 PM

And we tossed him, for a Jersey girl prone to seeing agents of the opposition hiding in her bushes.

We didn’t toss him. The GOP primary voters of Delaware tossed him.

Maybe the blame should be laid at Castle’s feet for disdaining the interests of his party’s voters and being such a lousy candidate that he couldn’t even win his primary.

I basically support McConnell in the KY race because I don’t think Bevin could beat the Dem and we can’t afford to lose any seats. But I sure would like to see him acknowledge that he needs the votes of the angry base.

Missy on May 20, 2014 at 3:26 PM

…and Castle lost because he played musical chairs with the Democrats when it came to DE state offices and treated the DE REP party like his own personal playground. He was to the left of several Democrats in Congress and would only have been a reliable vote for the leadership positions. If memory serves, he was only intending to serve 1 term anyway, which meant that he could do what he wanted with few consequences.

ebrown2 on May 20, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I don’t know whose bright idea it was for the powerful Tea Parties to get bogged down in Republican races. The other mistake was letting Rush, Sarah and the others leap on their back and get the claws in. They should have stuck with big, general themes, constitutional amendments, etc.

cimbri on May 20, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Winning against incumbent senators is a damn hard thing to do.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 20, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Just voted for Mat Bevin, but I guess I’m going to have to vote for Grimes now.

DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Way to move those goalposts.

Johnnyreb on May 20, 2014 at 1:22 PM

I wasn’t trying to move goal posts. I was trying to determine whether you support Bevin or McConnell. Your analysis of Bevin relates his so called deficiencies to the voters writ large and I was trying to determine if your personal bias is playing a role in that analysis.

So, do you personally support Bevin or McConnell?

Meat Fighter on May 20, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Who will be blamed if McConnell loses to Grimes?
bluegill on May 20, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Booosshhh !!!! I think we might as well get used to the label Senator Elect Grimes. There is no way that the base will come out to support the Turtle. He can’t even break 50% against her. Why would a voter come out to support a candidate who stands for nothing on an off year?

Brock Robamney on May 20, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Just voted for Mat Bevin, but I guess I’m going to have to vote for Grimes now.

DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Yay, late term abortion!

thebrokenrattle on May 20, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Who will be blamed if McConnell loses to Grimes?
bluegill on May 20, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Maybe people like this ->>>

Just voted for Mat Bevin, but I guess I’m going to have to vote for Grimes now.

DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 5:19 PM

cimbri on May 20, 2014 at 5:56 PM

thebrokenrattle on May 20, 2014 at 5:46 PM

cimbri on May 20, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Don’t care. There isn’t much chance to fix anything, but what little chance there is requires that the GOP be broken. I can’t help it that most are too stupid to realize that.

DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Yay, late term abortion!

thebrokenrattle on May 20, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Are you actually buying that the GOP plans to do anything about abortion? I would insult your intelligence, but your naive belief does that for me.

DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Are you actually buying that the GOP plans to do anything about abortion? I would insult your intelligence, but your naive belief does that for me.

DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Um, look at the top of the page :

Left unmentioned: abortion, the main wedge that Democrats nationwide have used to divide GOP opponents from the swingiest parts of the electorate. In a twist, it is McConnell broaching the topic, hoping to create a fissure between the national pro-abortion-rights supporters who are helping bankroll Grimes’s campaign and the conservative voters she needs to carry this Southern state. He held a press conference in Washington earlier this week pushing to ban abortions after 20 weeks.

thebrokenrattle on May 20, 2014 at 6:51 PM

He held a press conference in Washington earlier this week pushing to ban abortions after 20 weeks.

thebrokenrattle on May 20, 2014 at 6:51 PM

You believe in Santa Claus too, or maybe Romney the border hawk?

DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 6:57 PM

He held a press conference in Washington earlier this week pushing to ban abortions after 20 weeks.

thebrokenrattle on May 20, 2014 at 6:51 PM

I know, you thought McCain was really going to build that dang fence.

DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I don’t know if anyone else has said this yet (I don’t currently have time to go through all of the comments and check), but I don’t think that conservatives voting for Grimes will send the message you want to be sending. I think that instead of the “establishment” thinking “oh, we need to be more conservative to win elections,” they might be more likely to interpret the results as voters wanting a more progressive candidate. This is likely to backfire on you. Don’t cut of your nose to spite your face.

I would take a McConnell lead majority over a Cornyn minority any day. Imagine one to two more Kagan’s or Sotomayer’s in the next two years.
Tater Salad on May 20, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Exactly.

Cheshire_Kat on May 20, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Geez, man take a chill pill. So Bevin lost; you’ll get ovah it.

I hope you’re not this disappointed in November when Grimes loses.

thebrokenrattle on May 20, 2014 at 7:03 PM

Don’t care. There isn’t much chance to fix anything, but what little chance there is requires that the GOP be broken. I can’t help it that most are too stupid to realize that.
DFCtomm on May 20, 2014 at 6:15 PM

+1. Grimes is more conservative than the Turtle. As long as McConnell is on the senate, we will have Obamacare and Amnesty

Brock Robamney on May 20, 2014 at 7:50 PM

McConnell will beat Grimes going away by 10-15 points in Nov. Heck, Grimes is only pulling in around 60% in the coal counties running virtually unopposed. There are alot of folks on here who really don’t understand Kentucky.

Ta111 on May 20, 2014 at 8:05 PM

McConnell will beat Grimes going away by 10-15 points in Nov. Heck, Grimes is only pulling in around 60% in the coal counties running virtually unopposed. There are alot of folks on here who really don’t understand Kentucky.
Ta111 on May 20, 2014 at 8:05 PM

You hold onto that

Brock Robamney on May 20, 2014 at 8:09 PM

I’ve been in the Tea Party since it’s inception and still attend meetings once or twice a month. In this race I would either vote 3rd party or support Grimes against McConnell. McConnell vowed to crush the Tea Party and if he is majority leader we may as well keep Harry Reid. I don’t see any advantage of having McConnell as leader vs Reid, in fact we may have a better shot in 2016 if Reid is still the Senate leader. Either way let McConnell show that he can win without a single Tea Party vote.

henryknox on May 20, 2014 at 11:01 PM

McConnell was never in real trouble, even before Bevin started showing his tin ear.

He will win easily in November, too, at least 53%. And I’ll give this to Grimes, despite her trading on Daddy’s name, no one else would have run him as close as she will.

And he will be reelected Republican leader in the Senate without opposition again, too – with any luck, Majority Leader, ending the Reign of Reid.

Adjoran on May 21, 2014 at 12:37 AM

I’ve been in the Tea Party since it’s inception and still attend meetings once or twice a month. In this race I would either vote 3rd party or support Grimes against McConnell. McConnell vowed to crush the Tea Party and if he is majority leader we may as well keep Harry Reid. I don’t see any advantage of having McConnell as leader vs Reid, in fact we may have a better shot in 2016 if Reid is still the Senate leader. Either way let McConnell show that he can win without a single Tea Party vote.

henryknox on May 20, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Thank you!

Honestly, anyone who believes these things doesn’t belong in the GOP in the first place. Mitch McConnell has a lifetime ACU rating of over 90, and has been a conservative leader in the Senate for decades now.

The AVERAGE Senate Republican has a lifetime score of 76, btw.

Now, if you could just take the rest of them with you – the whiners, the keyboard generals, the nut cases, the libertines – you will all be much happier, and so will we.

Adjoran on May 21, 2014 at 12:41 AM

Now, if you could just take the rest of them with you – the whiners, the keyboard generals, the nut cases, the libertines – you will all be much happier, and so will we.

Adjoran on May 21, 2014 at 12:41 AM

You can’t tell which way the wind is blowing? Look how many have turned in such a short time. How many will have turned against the GOP by 2016? The truth is, however, that we can’t leave you alone. It’s so much easier to take a party than to start a new one, the progressive have shown us that.

DFCtomm on May 21, 2014 at 1:18 AM

Thank you!
Honestly, anyone who believes these things doesn’t belong in the GOP in the first place. Mitch McConnell has a lifetime ACU rating of over 90, and has been a conservative leader in the Senate for decades now.
The AVERAGE Senate Republican has a lifetime score of 76, btw.
Now, if you could just take the rest of them with you – the whiners, the keyboard generals, the nut cases, the libertines – you will all be much happier, and so will we.
Adjoran on May 21, 2014 at 12:41 AM

Yet he still supported funding Obamacare, voted for Amnesty, TARP, Obama’s Supreme Court picks, the Payroll tax hikes, and rolled over for the nuclear option. What difference does it make if he has a 90+% voting record voting with the democrats on issues that matter most to the people. He has to go. Sorry Neocons you are going to have to get used to not getting your way

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 5:40 AM

McConnell was never in real trouble, even before Bevin started showing his tin ear.
He will win easily in November, too, at least 53%. And I’ll give this to Grimes, despite her trading on Daddy’s name, no one else would have run him as close as she will.
And he will be reelected Republican leader in the Senate without opposition again, too – with any luck, Majority Leader, ending the Reign of Reid.
Adjoran on May 21, 2014 at 12:37 AM

The Democrats got the best candidate they could hope for against Grimes. Every poll shows that she would beat TurtleMan. Bevin was the only one she had trouble against. Grimes will win in November. Time for the Neocons to wake up. Caving in on funding Obamacare and raising the debt ceiling is not a conservative principle

Brock Robamney on May 21, 2014 at 5:46 AM

Is it just me, or does that woman’s face look like a character out of the “Simpsons”? Maybe the woman Homer almost had an affair with?

WryTrvllr on May 21, 2014 at 7:56 AM

McConnell is in a dead heat while vilifying his base. He’s in serious trouble because you typically need the diehards to man your phones and canvas.

Pitchforker on May 21, 2014 at 10:12 AM

What kind of person calling themself a “conservative” could ever endorse this type of traitorous voting record? I wouldn’t be able to sleep at night.

http://www.freedomworks.org/content/top-ten-bad-votes-senator-mitch-mcconnell

Grimes would probably be an upgrade. At least we know what she stands for as opposed to Dagger Mitch.

Pitchforker on May 21, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Grimes would probably be an upgrade.

Pitchforker on May 21, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Has Ed ever banned anyone for being too stupid to comment? This one has real promise.

Jaibones on May 21, 2014 at 2:08 PM

McConnell is in a dead heat while vilifying his base. He’s in serious trouble because you typically need the diehards to man your phones and canvas.

Pitchforker on May 21, 2014 at 10:12 A

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Relax, the COC has got this./s

magicbeans on May 21, 2014 at 7:56 PM

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