Whistleblower expands VA wait-list fraud to eighth facility

posted at 12:01 pm on May 19, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

Add yet another VA facility to the deadly wait-list fraud scandal. The Daily Beast heard from a whistleblower in the Albuquerque VA organization that the same kind of wait-list fraud alleged at seven other facilities occurs in New Mexico as well. Veterans have to wait months to get medical attention, and any investigation may already be too late for some of them:

Add Albuquerque, New Mexico’s to the growing list of VA hospitals accused of keeping secret waiting lists to hide delays for veterans seeking medical care. And it may already be too late to get to the truth and find out what harm, if any, was done to veterans there—VA officials are already destroying records to cover their tracks, a whistleblower inside the hospital tells The Daily Beast. …

“The ‘secret wait list’ for patient appointments is being either moved or was destroyed after what happened in Phoenix,” according to a doctor who works at the Albuquerque VA hospital and spoke exclusively with The Daily Beast. “Right now,” the doctor said, “there is an eight-month waiting list for patients to get ultrasounds of their hearts. Some patients have died before they got their studies. It is unknown why they died, some for cardiac reasons, some for other reasons.”

There’s no proof yet that veterans died while waiting for treatment, like what allegedly happened in Phoenix. But the doctor says it’s quite possible that some veterans would still be alive if they hadn’t been pushed through a record-keeping trap door that buried their requests for medical care.

On March 19, 2014, for example, a patient with a deteriorating heart condition requested to see a doctor. The patient was finally seen only days ago, on May 16, when they were admitted to the hospital for decompensated heart failure. “A near miss” as the VA doctor familiar with the case described it. “He could have died before being seen.”

That patient was fortunate. It remains to be seen whether all of the patients affected by the alleged wait-list fraud in Albuquerque were as fortunate. They certainly weren’t in Phoenix. Stars and Stripes notes that treatment delays have been listed as factors in more than 100 deaths, although over a time frame that begins in 2001:

As controversy swirls around the Veterans Administration over deaths caused by delayed care, an investigation by the Dayton Daily News found that the VA settled many cases that appear to be related to delays in treatment.

A database of paid claims by the VA since 2001 includes 167 in which the words “delay in treatment” is used in the description. The VA paid out a total of $36.4 million to settle those claims, either voluntarily or as part of a court action.

The VA has admitted that 23 people have died because of delayed care, and is facing accusations that hospital administrators are gaming the system to conceal wait times, including using a “secret list” at the VA in Phoenix. …

The Dayton VA in 2009 paid out $140,000 for a 2006 claim that was described as “Failure/Delay in Admission to Hospital or Institution; Medication Administered via Wrong Route; Failure to Order Appropriate Test.”

A pending $3.5 million claim from March 2013 was filed by a man who says delayed treatment of his wife’s cervical cancer resulted in her death in March 2012. The names of the veteran and her widower were redacted.

Issues with access and treatment delays have been around for decades at the VA. That’s the reason why VA Secretary Eric Shinseki imposed the 14-day wait list metric in 2009, when he took over the Department of Veteran Affairs. The move was supposed to correct the chronic problem of timely access for many veterans. Instead, VA facilities across the country appear to have engaged in widespread and suspiciously similar fraud, and no one at the VA from Shinseki on down seems to have bothered to do anything about it — and have lied about knowledge of the issue to boot.

That’s enough for Dana Milbank, who called this weekend for Shinseki to be canned:

Eric Shinseki has served his country honorably as a twice-wounded officer in Vietnam, as Army chief of staff and finally as President Obama’s secretary of veterans affairs.

But his maddeningly passive response to the scandal roiling his agency suggests that the best way Shinseki can serve now is to step aside.

Reports have documented the deaths of about 40 veterans in Phoenix who were waiting for VA appointments — the latest evidence of widespread bookkeeping tricks used at the agency to make it appear as though veterans were not waiting as long for care as they really were. The abuses have been documented over several years by whistleblowers and leaked memorandums, and confirmed by a host of government investigators.

That’s bad enough. Worse was Shinseki’s response when he finally appeared before a congressional committee Thursday to answer questions about the scandal. He refused to acknowledge any systemic problem and declined to commit to do much of anything, insisting on waiting for the results of yet another investigation.

Shinseki did not cover himself in glory in Senate testimony last week. One indication of how big the problem has become was the abrupt dismissal of Robert Petzel, who was already on his way out for retirement in September. However, his replacement turns out to be even more problematic:

The person nominated two weeks ago to replace the VA’s outgoing undersecretary for health was responsible for supervising one of the hospitals at the center of the current scandal.

Dr. Jeffrey Murawsky was nominated on May 1 to replace Dr. Robert Petzel as undersecretary of health at the Department of Veterans of Affairs.   Petzel’s “resignation” was officially announced today, although his impending retirement was first announced last September.

Murawsky is currently the network director–effectively the CEO–of the VA region that includes the Edward Hines, Jr. VA Hospital in Chicago.  Before he moved up the VA hierarchy, he worked as a manager at the hospital.

Hines Hospital was the seventh facility to face allegations of wait-list fraud. Murawsky seems better suited to be the target of the investigation rather than the man running it. It’s time to clean house entirely at the VA.


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Just like in Benghazi, Obama knew and sent no help…

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/flash-obama-was-told-about-va-problems-6-years-ago-100-vets-died-waiting/

UnderstandingisPower on May 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM

This is our future unless there are changes. John Fund in National Review on the single-payer waitlist situation in various countries here:

Lessons of the VA Scandal
Lengthy wait times, bureaucratic abuse, rationed care: par for the course in government-run health care.

Drained Brain on May 19, 2014 at 12:05 PM

And nobody’s as mad a Barack — who just heard about this on the news, just like you did. He has no privileged information that you couldn’t get by watching Scott Pelley. And he’s really ticked!! Might even make that one guy retire a couple weeks earlier than he planned.

jdpaz on May 19, 2014 at 12:06 PM

It’s almost like there’s a pattern emerging.

It’s pretty coincidental that 8 different VA facilities came up with the same idea for masking their delays.

Bitter Clinger on May 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM

There are in fact now 10 facilities, and 167 dead, that is known of…per Faux this a.m.

There is also a memo which proves that Biden/obama have known about all this since their transition in 2008.

Shinseki is peanuts, but he must go, short of his honor being gone. He’d be long gone if he were still in the military.

obama owns this one and only the top of the very top surface has been uncovered. This is systemic and you may call it anything you wish, but they are VA death panels.

In front of your very eyes, with 160 billion funded to provide for the healthcare of the Veterans, this government kills them.

This will be obama’s biggest scandal, one not even his chit-eating-media won’t be able to cover up.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Ever notice that when a whistleblower surfaces to recite a scandal, it also indicates that the top gun of the org is not trustworthy? Otherwise, there would be no need to publicly disclose the problem.

platypus on May 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Hollywood and golf. The weather is nice so, well BHO has priorities! Besides, it is Bush’s fault.
Dam sequestration and that ‘draconian’ Ryan budget that he was forced to sign.

libbyscooter on May 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM

…what are the numbers for veteran suicides per day in this country?…22 per day?…you think these people didn’t go to the VA for help when problems were evident when they got home?…did they get medication and psychological help?…are they put off, or put on a wait list?….this is the tip of the ice berg!

KOOLAID2 on May 19, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Death Panels

KCB on May 19, 2014 at 12:11 PM

There is also a memo which proves that Biden/obama have known about all this since their transition in 2008.

See Bush’s fault!
“That was obvious!”, MSM.

libbyscooter on May 19, 2014 at 12:12 PM

The federal government lies about pretty much everything.

Deafdog on May 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM

As a vet, I’d rather die than go to a VA hospital. Which is pretty much the outcome anyway.

Bitter Clinger on May 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

It’s almost like there’s a pattern emerging.

Bitter Clinger on May 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM

I’d bet that if they follow the facts back they will find that all these rogue VA administrators were at the same conference or something. It couldn’t possibly be corruption at the very top with a token minority head whose only qualification for the job was that he said mean things about GWB. Nor could it be systemic cover-up of the real waiting times. Something else must be in common with these cases of fraud which stretch from Florida to Arizona and all the way up to Illinois. Something…..

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Why is Shinseki still running the VA?

How many vets have to die before he gets FIRED!

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Shad, do you have a link for this?

How much proof do we need that the government cannot run healthcare?

ZeroCare™ will be several orders of magnitude worse.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Obama only cares when his tee time is. To do anything else would require effort and the lazy One isn’t interested.

envycat on May 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM

I had to wait five months to see a doctor. Then I was told that there was no way I could hurt as bad as I did. Got accused of trying to run a scam. Now seeing a Non VA doc and getting treatment.

Craniac on May 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM

As a vet, I’d rather die than go to a VA hospital. Which is pretty much the outcome anyway.

Bitter Clinger on May 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I have said things were bad a VA hospitals in the past, but I never imagined the level of horror and revulsion I feel now.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:17 PM

The advocate for the Veterans, who’s often on the Kelly files, was on the Martha show this morning.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Boy oh boy, and Barack is really going to be pissed when he reads the paper and finds out that he knew all about this 6 years ago. But, you can bet your sweet azz that he’ll get to the bottom of it and hold those responsible to account….and his check is in the mail…and he gave at the office…and he won’t come…well, y’all know…..

bimmcorp on May 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM

I’m sure Obama would get right on the issue if these were healthcare wait lists for university faculty members, but seeing as how these are merely soldiers, meh. Off to a fundraiser.

Naked Emperor on May 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM

AIN’T GUBrMINT HEALTHCARE GRAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 19, 2014 at 12:23 PM

I bet Romney would have solved this quickly.

gerrym51 on May 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM

The doctors in the Albuquerque VA hospital saw two, that is 2, patients a day on average.

Good life they lead, on your dole.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM

No, let Shinseki pound the table again saying how angry he is at his incompetence.

jake49 on May 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM

“Who’s been minding the store?” said Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. “They keep putting Band-Aids on problems, when what the agency needs is major triage.”
~

2007, of course.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM

So Shinseki just skated along or did what the Whitehouse instructed.

We know the Whitehouse runs all these departments as several (most recently Geithner) have told us.

So this goes all the way to the white house. No surprise since vets mostly vote Republican. King Putt hates the military.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM

But,but Booooosh…

sandee on May 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Typical of this administration. Implement policies that make them “look good”. Just don’t look too deeply.

GarandFan on May 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM

RICO?

butch on May 19, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Once is an oddity, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a conspiracy. eight times is standard procedure from the top down.

rbj on May 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM

Would General Shinseki allow one of his subordinate commanders to stay on the job if that commander was found guilty of lying about the real status of the command and had also killed two score or more of troops? Of course not! And Shinseki would have really been madder than hell not that faux concern he showed in front of the Senate last week. His “bite me” attitude said all that needs to be said.

And if President Obama really cared about the veterans he would have been more interested in what Shinseki was doing and would certainly have cashiered the filthy lying bastard by now!

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM

How many facilities found to be using this practice does it take to be seen as S.O.P.?

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 12:35 PM

You got it, dogsoldier!

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:37 PM

Would General Shinseki allow one of his subordinate commanders to stay on the job if that commander was found guilty of lying about the real status of the command and had also killed two score or more of troops? Of course not! And Shinseki would have really been madder than hell not that faux concern he showed in front of the Senate last week. His “bite me” attitude said all that needs to be said.

And if President Obama really cared about the veterans he would have been more interested in what Shinseki was doing and would certainly have cashiered the filthy lying bastard by now!

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM

If Obama had a veteran, he would look like Shinseki.

Bitter Clinger on May 19, 2014 at 12:37 PM

“Who’s been minding the store?” said Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., a member of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee. “They keep putting Band-Aids on problems, when what the agency needs is major triage.”
~

2007, of course.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Senator Fatty Murray also was lauding the Taliban for building schools and hospitals even as smoke was still coming up out of the WTC site. She is a partisan whore. Why don’t Dems express outrage about what is being discovered at the VA hospitals?

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I can assure you, as someone who has worked IN a VA in med school and who still has to deal indirectly with them from time to time, no matter how bad it looks in these stories it’s worse in person.

Doc Holliday on May 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM

King Putt hates the military.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Dead, sick, or alive, indeed.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM

I know a young woman who works at the CT facility. Can you imagine the harm to her career if she criticizes her elders at work?

Fleuries on May 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM

UnderstandingisPower on May 19, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Checked out the article at InstaPundit. Just as I suspected the article infers that these problems seem to have begun under the Bush administration. That is really all Obama needs to deflect the blame from himself. Whether he is deemed incompetent or evil, Obama has an agenda, it is focused and he is not really interested in being bothered by other people’s problems. I am not sure dead veterans are much of a concern to him. He is building his own military in the EPA, Dept of Agriculture, Homeland Security, etc. He knows the military doesn’t much like him anyway.

DaveDief on May 19, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I’m mad as hell and I’m going to get to the bottom of this. Make no mistake, as of today I am calling for things not to go wrong anymore. Now watch this drive.

forest on May 19, 2014 at 12:40 PM

#WhoCanBringBackOurDeadVets

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM

does Obama even now anyone, i mean anyone that is remotely competent?

warmairfan on May 19, 2014 at 12:42 PM

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM

Is that what’s on that sign Moochelle made?

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:44 PM

DaveDief on May 19, 2014 at 12:40 PM

That won’t float. Who is president now and who has been president for six years?

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:45 PM

#WhoCanBringBackOurDeadVets

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 12:41 PM

…was Mooch holding that up too?

KOOLAID2 on May 19, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Is killing a veteran by waiting list “workplace violence?”

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Is this mad by Obama like the mad he had for the IRS? Next are we going to hear that there isn’t a smidgeon of proof that anyone died?

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Obama is super double secret pissed off now. The VA has disappointed him.

King Barky the Destroyer is just destroying everything he touches butt this will not be his fault. Nothing is gong to be his fault until something goes right and that is never going to happen.

jukin3 on May 19, 2014 at 12:47 PM

FDR on 12/8/1941

“Yesterday our islands were attacked. I’m mad as hell. I will get to the bottom of this. I am pivoting to this topic. This may have been caused by a new thing called a video. Or our racist imperialism.”

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM

Clearly, if there was single payer system, then things like this would never happen because of reasons. Or something.

/sarcasm

Is anyone surprised that this is how the government handles health care? Of course Obama is super pissed off now. Reality has handed his ideology another crushing defeat.

tkc882 on May 19, 2014 at 12:51 PM

This is just part I

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:52 PM

I’ve read lots of posts pondering why democrats are not all up in arms about their government murdering veterans? The answer is very simple.

Leftists. Hate. Military. People.

Imagine the leftist sh*t storm if 40 plus illegal died in their deportation facilities. It would be biblical.

jukin3 on May 19, 2014 at 12:56 PM

your count is, like always, off by 1.
this would be number 9.
remember 1 report included 2 facilities.
wrap up here updated as I find them. guests can also add if they know of more.
http://www.theconservativevoices.com/topic/69033-va-hospitals-secret-list-and-wait-times/

dmacleo on May 19, 2014 at 12:58 PM

I am not a veteran…just a retired old fart with opinions and a healthy hankering for the goodness of times gone by. But I know that many, many of our HotAir Posters ARE veterans, and to you all I simply want to apologize on behalf of our country for failing y’all so miserably, even as you succeeded for us repeatedly, and under such tremendous danger as well as personal sacrifice. Government bureaucracy has always been a thorn in our collective sides, but dammit all, one would expect that we at least cut through the bull shlt and get it right when it comes to caring for those of you who put it all out there for us. I am sick and tired of all the emphasis of government being given to food stamp programs, tuition assistance, Common Core, Obamacare, endless fundraising, constant vacationing, no budgets, spiraling debt and even more spending…the list goes on and on and on… And our Affirmative Action President refuses to accept even a smidgen of responsibility for the piss poor treatment of our warriors, both wounded and aged. Count me as just one ashamed American…one that cannot look a man or woman in uniform in the eye without that feeling of revulsion that one gets when they know they have failed to live up to their part of the bargain. Y’all deserve so much better and so much more than you are receiving, and your “Commander in chief” simply does not give a fat rat’s ass. Shameful…

bimmcorp on May 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Hines Hospital was the seventh facility to face allegations of wait-list fraud. Murawsky seems better suited to be the target of the investigation rather than the man running it. It’s time to clean house entirely at the VA.

They should start with those two low-level office workers in Cincinnati.//

Walter L. Newton on May 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM

Hurry up and get statements to Congress, so they can go to jail for lying.

Dems can’t stop lying. This should be easy.

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 1:00 PM

Remember, Shinseki was one of the generals the left said we were supposed to be listening to when they were telling Bush what to do (and what not to do) in the WOT.

Real standup guy.

Missy on May 19, 2014 at 1:04 PM

bimmcorp on May 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM

no apologies needed IMO, you’ve (and many others) have not done anything wrong.
but I do thank you.

dmacleo on May 19, 2014 at 1:04 PM

That won’t float. Who is president now and who has been president for six years?

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:45 PM

It shouldn’t float at all. Scandal after scandal I have grown numb to what the felon-in-chief is able to get away with.

DaveDief on May 19, 2014 at 1:05 PM

Just rest assured:
1. Obama is outraged.
2. He’s going to get to the bottom of this and make sure it never happens again.

Got it?

TarheelBen on May 19, 2014 at 1:05 PM

bimmcorp on May 19, 2014 at 12:59 PM

no apologies needed IMO, you’ve (and many others) have not done anything wrong.
but I do thank you.

dmacleo on May 19, 2014 at 1:04 PM

I’ll second that.

DaveDief on May 19, 2014 at 1:05 PM

There are times when I feel like I’m living in an alternate universe. A really screwed up one.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Got it?

TarheelBen on May 19, 2014 at 1:05 PM

I just read that Zero sent his chief of staff to look into it. No, I am not kidding.

I am shaking my head in disbelief.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 1:09 PM

Takeaway: People that get big bonuses talk to each other.

Tsar of Earth on May 19, 2014 at 1:13 PM

FDR on 12/8/1941

“Yesterday our islands were attacked. I’m mad as hell. I will get to the bottom of this. I am pivoting to this topic. This may have been caused by a new thing called a video. Or our racist imperialism.”

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 12:48 PM

How far we have fallen in 70 years.

Bitter Clinger on May 19, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Impossible, Dog Eater fired someone, can we move on now please.

Bishop on May 19, 2014 at 1:17 PM

RICO?

butch on May 19, 2014 at 12:32 PM

Interesting. Certainly seems to apply.

Tsar of Earth on May 19, 2014 at 1:18 PM

There are times when I feel like I’m living in an alternate universe. A really screwed up one.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 1:08 PM

You’re being gaslighted.

I don’t think DaveDief was saying that blaming Bush was a good thing, just that it is likely that the left will do it anyway.

Missy on May 19, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Since it appears that the VA head honchos may have been informed about this as far back as two years ago, then this is old news dudes.

Walter L. Newton on May 19, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Someone please get word to Joe President Obama that I’m stuck in this prison VA hospital waiting list. I’m sure I will be released given proper healthcare as soon as he is informed.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Shinseki is a progressive from Hawaii. And THAT’S why he is the head of the VA and that is why he will not be asked to step down.

maryo on May 19, 2014 at 1:30 PM

NEVER forget that they faked the waiting lists for high yearly bonuses.

The scumhag in Phoenix is on paid leave now, your taxes pay for her time off, and she received a bonus of $9,000 for just last year.

The gov’t employees, who never produce a profit, should NEVER receive bonuses.

But, obama and his goons encourage them to get bonuses on the dead Veterans. Talk about feeding/thriving on carrion.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 1:35 PM

It’s almost like there’s a pattern emerging.

It’s pretty coincidental that 8 different VA facilities came up with the same idea for masking their delays.

Bitter Clinger on May 19, 2014 at 12:08 PM

Whole thing originated in a small rogue VA office in Cincinnati…

de rigueur on May 19, 2014 at 1:36 PM

So Shinseki just skated along or did what the Whitehouse instructed.

We know the Whitehouse runs all these departments as several (most recently Geithner) have told us.

So this goes all the way to the white house. No surprise since vets mostly vote Republican. King Putt hates the military.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Remember, Emporer Obama has told us that he knows more about everything than anyone else does. He knows more about writing speeches than his speech writers. He knows more about how to run a miliary operation than his military commanders. He also knows how to run the VA hospitals better than anyone else. And the VA hospitals are being run EXACTLY the way he wants them to be run. And we ain’t seen nothin’ yet!

maryo on May 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM

The VA should be privatized. Medicare is essentially privatized so why not the VA?

This is a preview of what we can expect under ObamaCare which has already shown itself to be a catastrophic nightmare for millions.

Key West Reader on May 19, 2014 at 1:47 PM

Missy on May 19, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Yes, I think that’s what Dave was saying too. I agree with him. Blaming Bush now will not float. The lefties may try it after they give up defending Shinseki’s indifference and incompetence.

King Putt has known all along and did NOTHING. We all know he doesn’t give a crap. He proved that with his “workplace violence” BS response to the Fort Hood terrorist attack.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM

maryo on May 19, 2014 at 1:37 PM

Will we need to see piles of corpses on the street before people wake up?

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 1:57 PM

So, given the M.O. we all KNOW this Regime operates under, how many of the vets on the secret lists, are (R), Conservative, Tea Party, or anything OTHER than registered (D)?

If they can weaponize the IRS and use it against all of these groups with no consequences, I would expect they are using the same targeting for rationing out healthcare in the VA.

Meople on May 19, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Main thread on “obama knew”, cool!

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Baghdad Bobbie

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 2:54 PM

King Putt has known all along and did NOTHING. We all know he doesn’t give a crap. He proved that with his “workplace violence” BS response to the Fort Hood terrorist attack.

dogsoldier on May 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM

Yep. As we see by his campaign speech in 2007, vets are but a tool to get elected. Oh, and Michelle goes out and does charity events with military families when Barry’s ratings are dipping.

Missy on May 19, 2014 at 4:04 PM

The idea that veterans were shuffled around secret waiting lists and died without ever being seen is outrageous, but that isn’t the only scandal here.

Notice that the scam worked the same way in every region. That isn’t some random occurrence. And remember the purpose was not only to make them look better by “improving” the wait times, these people were paid hefty bonuses for the improvements, tens of thousands of dollars each year.

They weren’t putting vets at risk just for appearances, they were doing it for money.

To Hades with who gets fired. Who is going to jail? This is criminal fraud, and there is a term for deaths that come as the result of the commission of a felony: MURDER.

Adjoran on May 19, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Somebody in Washington DC either devised the scheme, or thought it a good enough idea to spread around other regions.

Adjoran on May 19, 2014 at 4:35 PM

I can assure you, as someone who has worked IN a VA in med school and who still has to deal indirectly with them from time to time, no matter how bad it looks in these stories it’s worse in person.

Doc Holliday
on May 19, 2014 at 12:38 PM

You and me both, Doc.

I’ve posted this before, but this is where I used to work and was glad when I was canned for “spending too much $$” to help one head-injured vet who came back from the head trauma unit walking/talking and not longer cursing/ripping out IV’s. I didn’t fit into the culture there and didn’t want to.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_veterans_administration_scandal_hits_home.html

What the VA couldn’t do in 3 years, a doc here in Lubbock did in 5 days!

avagreen on May 19, 2014 at 6:06 PM