Poll: 71% support comprehensive immigration reform

posted at 7:21 pm on May 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

Nothing makes a diehard eeyore like me happier than a depressing poll, but even I’ve got to call BS on this one. C’mon, Politico.

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That 71 percent includes 90 percent of Latinos, 78 percent of Democrats, and 64 percent of Republicans — and frankly, I’m surprised the totals for each aren’t higher. Except to the small minority of the population that follows immigration news closely, the phrase “comprehensive immigration reform” is almost totally meaningless. News junkies recognize it as a term of art to describe a compromise on border security and legalization; to everyone else, which is pretty much everyone, I suspect all it means is “reform of America’s immigration laws,” which can mean virtually anything. It’s not unlike the phrase “fiscal responsibility.” If you asked Ted Cruz and Elizabeth Warren whether they support fiscal responsibility, they’d both tell you yes, emphatically. For Cruz, that means cutting spending to balance the budget; for Warren, it means higher taxes on the wealthy and greater redistribution to grow the middle class. The term is empty unless you specify a definition — which, in the case of “comprehensive immigration reform,” pollsters rarely do. I think the most that can be gleaned from wording this vague is that the public is broadly open to some form of legalization; it may be that voters have now heard enough about this subject on the news plus the fact that Republicans are holding out on it that they’ve deduced that “comprehensive” reform involves legalizing illegals in some way, and they’re okay with that. But then, we already knew that. More thorough polls than this one have also showed majority support for letting illegals stay with some new status. Safe to say that some sizable minority of Republicans agrees with the vast majority of Democrats that it’s time to bring illegals “out of the shadows.” And somehow, all of those Republicans ended up in Congress.

Politico goes on to note, by the way, that 73 percent of respondents say that immigration reform is “important” to how they’ll vote in November, including 85 percent of Latinos. Fair enough, but when you ask voters to prioritize which issues matter most to them, this happens:

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Then again, just because amnesty isn’t the most important issue to anyone doesn’t mean it’s not “important.” The trick for Boehner and company is figuring out who it’s more important to, the voters they’re trying to woo or the voters they’re trying to keep. My strong hunch is that an amnesty bill will push this issue much higher up the list of conservative voters’ priorities in November than it will Latinos’. But I suppose that depends on how easily suckered righties will be by gimmicks like this:

“Nobody trusts the president, and that’s just the reality,” said Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (Fla.), a Republican who has written a bill that beefs up border security and offers a path to legal status for illegal immigrants. “Can the president re-establish his credibility in the next two months with the House, with the American people or with our allies? No. I think he can hopefully not make it worse.”…

Diaz-Balart’s solution to the dilemma is to write legislation that would “hold the administration accountable” so it cannot ignore requirements to enforce border security. He would not give specifics, but his provisions would probably include a trigger based on a proposal agreed to last year that would revoke legal status for immigrants after five years if an employer E-Verify program were not in place.

You buy that, don’t you? The pro-amnesty GOP leadership, which has the Chamber of Commerce screaming in one ear and immigration activists screaming in the other, is going to pass a bill legalizing illegals — and then revoke that legalization right before the 2020 election, after millions more young Latinos have turned 18 and are preparing to vote for the first time, because E-Verify hasn’t been implemented yet. There’s not the faintest chance of that happening, of course; once legalization is here, it’s here to stay. But maybe there are enough Republicans out there who want this issue off the table that they’ll swallow that, or pretend to swallow it, in the interest of moving this along. Or, maybe Obama simply won’t be able to resist panders like this to his own base that will hopelessly destroy Boehner’s chances of building enough support in the House to pass something. We’re in a race now: Can Obama, deliberately or not, blow up reform before the House leadership completely caves on it?


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I want reform

Though the reform I want is to secure the border and enforce the laws.

cozmo on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM

If I got a dime for every time someone called BS on a poll that showed Obama beating Romney, I would be sipping tea in Bahamas.

Maybe I better my collection jar this time around.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM

LOL!

A song for anti-immigration reform folks.

terryannonline on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Forget it, Allah, it’s Chinatown Politico.

novaculus on May 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM

100% of illegal aliens want amnesty.

6 out of 7 dwarves are not happy.

The Rock on May 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Seldom do we get to see a larger disconnect between Conservatives and the party of R. Whigs.

Bmore on May 19, 2014 at 7:28 PM

Gee, I wonder if this comprehensive immigration reform includes securing the border?

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Very few Americans are aware of chain migration (aka family reunification) which can turn 11 – 20 million illegal aliens into 50 – 70 million uneducated, unskilled aliens in 20 years, at which points the United States, as we know it, ceases to exist.

bw222 on May 19, 2014 at 7:30 PM

LOL!

A song for anti-immigration reform folks.

terryannonline on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Amnesty traitors and destroyers of the land, the legal workers, the legal minorities, go to Hell, all of you, with NO exceptions.

Immigration reform is NOT amnesty, dummies.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:31 PM

terryannonline on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM

It’s nice that b.s. makes you happy. There is nothing better than writing new laws to ignore like the old ones they ignore.

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Gee, I wonder if this comprehensive immigration reform includes securing the border?

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 7:29 PM

What makes you think this amnesty will be any different than 1986?

bw222 on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Poll: 71% support comprehensive immigration reform

Amnesty is NOT immigration reform.

Polls are deceiving, on purpose.

The KGB invented disinformation. The West made an art of it.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I support immigration reform, I don’t support amnesty. We need an honest poll that puts out the real issues.

bflat879 on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

The Rock on May 19, 2014 at 7:26 PM

And, of course, a broken clock is correct twice a day – before digital clocks, that is.

But I suppose that depends on how easily suckered righties will be

What?! Suckered? The Repubs? Nope, not gonna happen.

Chuck Ef on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Comprehensive closure of the border. Barring that, adopt the immigration policies of Mexico.

vnvet on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

It’s like open enrollment…

Electrongod on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

I support immigration reform, I don’t support amnesty. We need an honest poll that puts out the real issues.

bflat879 on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Thanks for getting it.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Immigration reform is NOT amnesty, dummies.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:31 PM

Well it shouldn’t be but it will be. Open borders and ignoring illegals amounts to the same thing. And you can bet the law will contain secure borders and e-verify, just like it does now.

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Why don’t they get with the program and get rid of those ‘%’ thingys???

Just come on out and say “EVERY ONE!!”

BigWyo on May 19, 2014 at 7:33 PM

If they pass “immigration reform,” it’ll be racist to enforce anything other than amnesty. Fools.

El_Terrible on May 19, 2014 at 7:33 PM

bw222 on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

It was rhetorical, I am sure it will look very much like 1986.

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 7:34 PM

What about amnesty..?

d1carter on May 19, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Rude awakening for the nativist wing of the tea party.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 7:35 PM

I’ve gotten GOP survey’s lately on what issues matter to me. They’re such huge jokes. None of the options included enforcing immigration laws. However, there was an box for “immigration reform”

El_Terrible on May 19, 2014 at 7:36 PM

Political-ho polling East L.A. I’m surprised they couldn’t fudge it up to 99 percent?

viking01 on May 19, 2014 at 7:37 PM

1. Cuba is still missing an idiot.

2. liblikeaslave missed what the thread is about.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Immigration reform is not amnesty, fools.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Now axe the question again and call it ‘Amnesty’.

Thought so.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Now axe the question again and call it ‘Amnesty’.

Thought so.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Axed, and axed…the former in the black dialect, the latter from the ax.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Immigration reform is not amnesty, fools.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Deport them all is not “immigration reform”.

terryannonline on May 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Rude awakening for the nativist wing of the tea party.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Clearly you don’t bother to read past the headline. Which goes a long way to show why you are nothing more than a chatty LIV.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Do you support comprehensive immigration reform or should we just kill them all?

Vince on May 19, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Rude awakening for the nativist wing of the tea party.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Put away your black privilege.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2014 at 7:40 PM

secure the border – yes

cut the corruption in immigration courts – yes

enforce current US law – yes

Amnesty for illegals – NO!

Remove Holder from office – Yes

Deport Valaerie Jarrett – Yes

Impeach the Fascist Bastard Obama – Yes

workingclass artist on May 19, 2014 at 7:40 PM

Most people think “comprehensive immigration reform” is ending the tolerance of illegal aliens.

Buddahpundit on May 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Rude awakening for the nativist wing of the tea party.
 
libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 7:35 PM

 
Not to mention the black families who’ll be competing against the new citizens for jobs.

rogerb on May 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Deportation of illegals indeed is immigration reform.

Follow the rules the legals do or bum’s rush back where you’ve invaded from.

viking01 on May 19, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Nothing makes a diehard eeyore like me happier than a depressing poll, but even I’ve got to call BS on this one.

That’s why they call it “reform” rather than “amnesty.” Much like why Obamacare polls horribly, but the “Affordable Care Act” does really well.

Stoic Patriot on May 19, 2014 at 7:42 PM

It’s like open enrollment…

Electrongod on May 19, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Heh. They’ll set up websites that can be…like the exchanges.

lineholder on May 19, 2014 at 7:42 PM

Here is the question that will not be asked…

Are you in favor of granting amnesty to millions of illegals?

fight like a girl on May 19, 2014 at 7:44 PM

More good reporting on polls like this from Mark Krikorian:
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/378282/laughable-amnesty-polling-politico-edition-mark-krikorian

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 7:45 PM

“The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) released 36,007 convicted criminal aliens last year who were awaiting the outcome of deportation proceedings, according to a report issued Monday by the Center for Immigration Studies.

The group of released criminals includes those convicted of homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping and aggravated assault, according to the report, which cites a document prepared by the ICE.

A majority of the releases were not required by law and were discretionary, the organization says.

According to the report, the 36,007 individuals released represented nearly 88,000 convictions, including:

-193 homicide convictions
-426 sexual assault convictions
-303 kidnapping convictions
-1,075 aggravated assault convictions
-1,160 stolen vehicle convictions
-9,187 dangerous drug convictions
-16,070 drunk or drugged driving convictions
-303 flight escape convictions

According to Jessica Vaughan, the director of policy studies for the Center for Immigration Studies,

This information is sure to raise concerns that, despite professions of a focus on removal of criminal aliens, Obama administration policies frequently have allowed political considerations to trump public safety factors and, as a result, aliens with serious criminal convictions have been allowed to return to the streets instead of being removed to their home countries…”

but wait there’s more…dated 5/14/2014

“Border Patrol agents in South Texas have arrested nearly 180 illegal immigrants convicted of sex crimes since last October, Customs and Border Protection announced this week.

The majority of the offenders’ crimes were committed against children, the worst of which included “sexual assault of a child; sodomy, lewd or lascivious acts with a child under 14; aggravated sexual assault of a child; and aggravated indecent assault and corruption of a minor,” CBP said in a release Tuesday.

According to CBP, the nearly 180 illegal immigrants’ prior convictions were for sex crimes all over the United States…”

http://patterico.com/2014/05/14/jeb-bush-and-fear/

workingclass artist on May 19, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Not to mention the black families who’ll be competing against the new citizens for jobs welfare checks.

rogerb on May 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM

At some point you run out of other people’s money. This will make that day come all too soon.

astonerii on May 19, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Gee, I wonder if this comprehensive immigration reform includes securing the border?

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 7:29 PM

LOL

gh on May 19, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Gov Martinez gives away part of the game that pro-amnesty Republicans are playing. They are avoiding the word “amnesty” and even denying that they are for amnesty.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/11/16/susana-martinez-mitt-romney-comments/

The governor also said she hopes the party can change their tone, eliminating words like “amnesty” from the debate.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83960_Page2.html

After chatting with Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer a few minutes before, she said that Arizona’s restrictive immigration law is not the type she would implement in her state.

“And it can be tackled without using the word amnesty,” she said. “People can be in this country legally and contributing, and they can come here to do all kinds of jobs, not just jobs Americans don’t want, all kinds of jobs, get educated, the whole nine yards, but be here legally. And there’s a variety of ways of receiving that kind of status.”

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 7:47 PM

This poll is a joke.

Most people in this country dont have a clue what Immigration Reform is.

Start calling it amnesty in the poll and we can talk about results.

For now, its just a push poll to soften up the hold outs in Congress.

If this happens im done with the GOP. Not that it matters because the GOP is done. So is the country….but who cares right? President Julian Castro will fix everything.

alecj on May 19, 2014 at 7:48 PM

“Since May 18, the Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas has been home to 1,000 illegal immigrant children, according to a report by the San Antonio Express-News. The decision to utilize the base comes as an overwhelming number of young people have been caught crossing the Mexican/U.S. border during recent months.

Children and teens brought to Lackland will be provided with education, foster care programs, and “behavioral treatment centers.” The projected cost of such programs, as well as the cost of the housing, has not been disclosed to U.S. taxpayers.

The federal government was forced to utilize Lackland as its own facilities can no longer accommodate the number of illegal immigrants waiting to be processed, reports state.
At the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) sector alone, more than 1,000 illegal immigrants are being apprehended per day….”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/05/19/Air-Force-Base-Provides-Comfort-and-Benefits-for-1000-Illegal-Immigrants

workingclass artist on May 19, 2014 at 7:49 PM

I have been disgusted to see supposed conservative media allies, including bloggers at this site, avoid using the term “illegal alien amnesty.” Instead we get vague and even positive sounding terms like “immigration reform.”

There is an effort to blur the line between legal and illegal illegal immigration.

Most Americans oppose illegal alien amnesty. Don’t let anyone tell you that there is a strong desire out there among voters for amnesty or that immigration law enforcement is merely a concern of the conservative “base.”

That’s why pro-amnesty supporters have to lie to voters, hide their true intentions and pay for ads like this:

VIDEO: http://youtu.be/ecrUDjMlf5s. (Gives impression Graham and Rubio are for getting “tough” on illegal aliens)

And here’s a Zuckerberg-funded, fake “conservative” ad that tries to trick voters into thinking the Republican sellout amnesty proposal was what was needed to “get tough” on illegals:

VIDEO: http://youtu.be/l9XRF_kqIN4

The Chamber of Commerce and others are putting a lot of money towards trying to convince conservatives that these amnesty programs are the opposite of what they are.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 7:49 PM

The Cartels are driving these people up north.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/05/18/Honduran-Children-Slaughtered-for-Refusing-To-Join-Gangs

workingclass artist on May 19, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Immigration reform is not amnesty, fools.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Deport them all is not “immigration reform”.

terryannonline on May 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Rewarding lawbreaking criminals with 3rd grade educations and a propensity for socialism and identity theft isn’t “immigration reform” either.

Cheese Wheel on May 19, 2014 at 7:52 PM

I’m sorry, but this is a joke. “Comprehensive immigration reform” is an advocacy term with a very specific meaning, but one designed to sound appealing to people who have no idea what that specific meaning is. Does it mean more immigration or less? Does it include amnesty? Does it mean skilled immigrants are given preference over the unskilled? Does “immigration reform” reflect the agenda of the restrictionist Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) or the expansionist Reform Immigration for America?

Using a term very few respondents are likely to understand allows them to simply impute their own preferences. If, for instance, you were to ask people whether they supported “comprehensive tax reform” you’d also get large majorities. But what would those respondents think the term meant? A flat tax? A consumption tax? Fewer deductions? Higher taxes on the rich?

Read the whole thing here:
http://m.nationalreview.com/corner/378282/laughable-amnesty-polling-politico-edition-mark-krikorian

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Not to mention the black families who’ll be competing against the new citizens for jobs.

rogerb on May 19, 2014 at 7:41 PM

“Tenured Professors of the Humanities” is not worried.

BigWyo on May 19, 2014 at 7:53 PM

Were Obama smart he’d make things tougher on those saying he can’t be trusted on immigration (or anything else) and pick up the phone to call the president of Mexico to get this Marine released.

Doing so makes him look strong (for once) and forces his conservative opposition to give him props.

It’s also the right thing to do but I suppose he could get over that.

Boehner could do the same thing by stating publicly that there will be no effort to pass any immigration bill at all unless the Mexicans release this guy. He’d be home for dinner.

Curmudgeon on May 19, 2014 at 7:53 PM

The problem here is that “comprehensive immigration reform” without an explanation essentially means to the person polled whatever he or she thinks it means. I’m for comprehensive immigration reform too – securing the border, opening the way for more LEGAL immigrants, and not granting amnesty.

Othniel on May 19, 2014 at 7:54 PM

97% of scientists believe man made industrial farts will doom mankind………………and then there’s reality.

“Statistics don’t lie, but liars use statistics.”

Mimzey on May 19, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Allahpundit calls Ted Cruz unelectable as a President because he scares the establishment GOP. Don’t expect a fair assessment of his chances on HA as a result. Cruz scares the hell out of Allahpundit.

I’d suggest that he is wrong because 2016 is a long way off and the political minefield of gifting citizenship to a bunch of parasites has not yet been decided. Allah’s favorites are establishment squishes who happen to be Hispanic. But I would suggest that traditional values are going to be more important than amnesty for the criminals come 2016.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 7:57 PM

W, misunderestimated.

Really, whatever happens will end up being close to what W put on the table.

BUT if we did it back then, the GOP would have been seen as heroes to many hispanics, the issue would be off the table, and the opportunities for corruprion were fewer. Guy won 50 percent of hispanic vote in Texas.

swamp_yankee on May 19, 2014 at 7:58 PM

“Since May 18, the Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas has been home to 1,000 illegal immigrant children, according to a report by the San Antonio Express-News. The decision to utilize the base comes as an overwhelming number of young people have been caught crossing the Mexican/U.S. border during recent months.

Children and teens brought to Lackland will be provided with education, foster care programs, and “behavioral treatment centers.” The projected cost of such programs, as well as the cost of the housing, has not been disclosed to U.S. taxpayers.

The federal government was forced to utilize Lackland as its own facilities can no longer accommodate the number of illegal immigrants waiting to be processed, reports state.
At the Rio Grande Valley (RGV) sector alone, more than 1,000 illegal immigrants are being apprehended per day….”

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/05/19/Air-Force-Base-Provides-Comfort-and-Benefits-for-1000-Illegal-Immigrants

workingclass artist on May 19, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Our education system is in samples due to leftists and their agendas, including ESL classes for illegals, so many of our own kids needing foster parents, and wtf are ‘behavioral centers”? We need to send them by airplane to Mexico City with an itemized bill and a promise for more to come. We just cannot afford to be other country’s dumping ground.

Cheese Wheel on May 19, 2014 at 7:59 PM

Deport them all is not “immigration reform”.

terryannonline on May 19, 2014 at 7:39 PM

No, that would be enforcing the law. “Immigration reform” is the exact opposite.

TxAnn56 on May 19, 2014 at 8:00 PM

The opposite of “reform” is “status quo” thus ANY change in the status quo is, ipso facto, reform and this would include sealing the border and shipping all illegals home. But it could also include giving amnesty to all illegals. Since the status quo is leaky borders, non-enforcement of immigration laws, refusal either to prosecute or deport illegal alien criminals, I would have voted YES to reform.

MaiDee on May 19, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Rude awakening for the nativist wing of the tea party.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Not much about and your ilk I find particular humorous anymore. You commenced you commenting here at HA by race baiting. Of course that was after you entered by spelling your nom wrong. You constantly harass TEA Party folks. Let me tell you what TEA Party philosophy is to me. Live within your means without stealing additional funds from the citizenry of the Republic. You and yours have no rational argument to make because TEA is a reasonable request to expect of government. So you race bait. Go to your local grocery store. Purchase some items. Tell me. Have prices increased much? Your precious 0Care. Tell me. Affordable? Name nearly any product you may like to acquire. A bit pricier than pre 0? Talk to me about the massive spending under this administration. What have you acquired for your debt. Tell me. Inflation only up a wee bit you might say. Explain to me why, without bringing race into it. You won’t you know why? You are a coward , a liar and a race baiter. The site keeps you. Do you understand why? You are a pet. Less than a pet when you race bait. You become a slave. Your absence from any serious discussion is telling. You are found wanting.

Bmore on May 19, 2014 at 8:05 PM

*your

Bmore on May 19, 2014 at 8:07 PM

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 7:49 PM

Yes, all these RINOs facing primaries run ads showing how reform will secure the border FIRST which is a lie. “Getting in the back of the line” is another lie and so is paying a fine and back taxes. Then after they win the primary they spin it as a mandate for so called immigration reform which will grant amnesty and do nothing else.

Wigglesworth on May 19, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Clearly, Allahpundit / Eeyore is trolling us all. The thing is, I think he’s also telling the truth and he’s dead right.

Particularly about this bit:

“You buy that, don’t you? The pro-amnesty GOP leadership, which has the Chamber of Commerce screaming in one ear and immigration activists screaming in the other, is going to pass a bill legalizing illegals — and then revoke that legalization right before the 2020 election, after millions more young Latinos have turned 18 and are preparing to vote for the first time, because E-Verify hasn’t been implemented yet.”

Yeah, “no sale” on that.

No matter how bogus the polls, no matter how deceptive the language, no matter who gets betrayed or how badly, with whatever consequences, this mob of Republicans, once they have granted something on the mass immigration front, will never un-grant it. Not on terms like that, and really, not on any terms at all. They’ll just take it as their baseline in immediately starting to push for the next, bigger, cave. And the one after that.

David Blue on May 19, 2014 at 8:12 PM

I’m surprised AP didn’t cover that fake TEA Party poll hyped by Sal Russo and Grover Norquist. I think that poll said 70% of TEA Partiers back amnesty. LOL

Wigglesworth on May 19, 2014 at 8:12 PM

terryannonline on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM

‘Immigration reform’ just another way of saying ‘I heart illegals’.
I support LEGAL immigrants. hell-I’m the grand daughter of one. Those ‘other’ people deserve NOTHING.
Secure the border! Deport those people and their anchor babies if they have any!

annoyinglittletwerp on May 19, 2014 at 8:13 PM

David Blue on May 19, 2014 at 8:12 PM

I’ve said it many times and will continue to say it: ANY LEGALIZATION is a de facto path to citizenship, guaranteed.

Wigglesworth on May 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Allahpundit calls Ted Cruz unelectable as a President because he scares the establishment GOP. Don’t expect a fair assessment of his chances on HA as a result. Cruz scares the hell out of Allahpundit.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 7:57 PM

While Salem is horrid, you have to blame the leftward shift of HA on Michelle Malkin. She hired Allahpundit and Ed long before she sold the site to Salem. There hasn’t been a conservative author here since Bryan Preston.

bw222 on May 19, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I’ve said it many times and will continue to say it: ANY LEGALIZATION is a de facto path to citizenship, guaranteed.

Wigglesworth on May 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Correct, the legalization IS THE AMNESTY. Amazing the number of low information voters who don’t understand that concept.

TxAnn56 on May 19, 2014 at 8:26 PM

arm the border. shoot outwards.
deport as you find them.
if host country refuses them then use parachutes.

thats comprehensive immigration reform.

dmacleo on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

While Salem is horrid, you have to blame the leftward shift of HA on Michelle Malkin. She hired Allahpundit and Ed long before she sold the site to Salem. There hasn’t been a conservative author here since Bryan Preston.
bw222 on May 19, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Allahlundit is definitely a great writer, so I can understand why he would be sought after.

It’s just too bad that both he and Ed apparently never saw fit to hire/recruit top conservative bloggers. I would like to see a conservative blogger here with a writing level ability equal to or greater than Allahpundit’s. With a few of the additions here in the last few years, it seemed like Ed referred to them on here as a father would refer to his children. And Ed and AP still doing most of the heavy lifting. The whole thing with Korbe seemed odd, and MKH never seemed to have her heart in this site… not that MKH is any kind of strong conservative, anyway.

This site needs a new Malkin.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Allahlundit is definitely a great writer, so I can understand why he would be sought after.

It’s just too bad that both he and Ed apparently never saw fit to hire/recruit top conservative bloggers. I would like to see a conservative blogger here with a writing level ability equal to or greater than Allahpundit’s. With a few of the additions here in the last few years, it seemed like Ed referred to them on here as a father would refer to his children. And Ed and AP still doing most of the heavy lifting. The whole thing with Korbe seemed odd, and MKH never seemed to have her heart in this site… not that MKH is any kind of strong conservative, anyway.

This site needs a new Malkin.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:36 PM

NOW I am REALLY CURIOUS.

What exactly would you like to see ED and AP write to show their conservatism? I want examples. Give us an example of whom you would hire to write for this site if you were the boss and could pick anyone?

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Poll: 71% support ___________ reform

You can say this about almost any issue. And the other 30 percent are able to use it as a stick to beat their political opponents over the head with.

I thought this would happen when GWB was attacked from the right on this issue. We’ve given up on securing the border as a compromise for not granting any amnesty. Brilliant!

mike_NC9 on May 19, 2014 at 8:45 PM

arm the border. shoot outwards.
deport as you find them.
if host country refuses them then use parachutes catapults.

thats comprehensive immigration reform.

dmacleo on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Just a suggestion.

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM

One thing I will say in Allahpundit’s favor is that he has been covering the amnesty a lot more often lately. For a while sites like Breitbart were running circles around HotAir when it came to covering this issue.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

While Salem is horrid, you have to blame the leftward shift of HA on Michelle Malkin. She hired Allahpundit and Ed long before she sold the site to Salem. There hasn’t been a conservative author here since Bryan Preston.

bw222 on May 19, 2014 at 8:22 PM

I don’t have your sense of history about HA but I will say this. Allapundit and Ed Morrisey may be thoughtful conservatives when it comes to most issues but both of them are social liberals. HA would do well to find a voice that represents social conservatism.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:48 PM

What exactly would you like to see ED and AP write to show their conservatism? I want examples. Give us an example of whom you would hire to write for this site if you were the boss and could pick anyone?
coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Mark Steyn.

Also Mark Krikorian for the amnesty beat.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:49 PM

What exactly would you like to see ED and AP write to show their conservatism? I want examples. Give us an example of whom you would hire to write for this site if you were the boss and could pick anyone?

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:45 PM

An end to supporting the liberal Republican angle on a number of topics (amnesty, gay marriage, etc) might be a decent start.

Or striking any reference to the notion of ‘conservative’ from the description of HA would be a good start too. ;)

I don’t find Ed and AP to be ‘liberal’, and though they are ‘conservative’ on some issues, this entire endeavor has drifted decidedly left in the last few years.

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Oh, to answer the question better, sorry…

Yes, Mark Steyn would be great. I’d also love to see Bill Whittle signed.

And Resist We Much, frankly, would be a *spectacular* writer, with reliable conservative perspective, excellent style, and an uncanny ability to lay hands on data and facts to back everything up.

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Hotair is doing the same thing they always have. Being the awesome new media.
The comments are getting hideous. The price of fame I guess.

mike_NC9 on May 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM

I’d also love to see Bill Whittle signed.
And Resist We Much, frankly, would be a *spectacular* writer, with reliable conservative perspective, excellent style, and an uncanny ability to lay hands on data and facts to back everything up.
Midas on May 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Love them both. Whittle would be great because he does those video segments, and it would be like going to HotAir’s roots.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM

The problem is that this site is no longer a conservative movement site. It is a liberal/libertarian site which advertises itself as a conservative site.
The owners, the people who would be paying those guys, would work to corrupt them to the left.

astonerii on May 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM

“Comprehensive Immigration Reform” = bullshit!

1. No more anchor babies
2. Verify SSAN w/IRS
3. Hammer employers of illegals – a couple of prison sentences will set the tone.
4. SECURE THE BORDER!

Then we’ll talk about ‘reform’.

GarandFan on May 19, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Going to be tragically hilarious to watch the GOP push amnesty through, then begin the inevitable long, slow parade of losing virtually every national election, losing formerly reliable red stronghold states… and bleat endlessly about it being the fault of conservatives. There will never come a moment of realization that they were warned this was coming, but shot the messengers (and their base) instead.

I hope the bribes were worth it.

Dead party walking – they just don’t know it yet.

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 9:04 PM

Bmore, me olde socke – how does one converse with ye, or aske ye a question?

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 9:06 PM

The problem is that this site is no longer a conservative movement site. It is a liberal/libertarian site which advertises itself as a conservative site.

astonerii on May 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM

There is truth in your comment.

When the government “shutdown” was going on, HA was fully supportive of the surrender weasels. They lauded John Boehner as a hero when he completely caved to the Democrats. HA fully supports the gay agenda and the legalization of pot. They despise Tea Party candidates. The only shred of real conservatism comes in that Ed is a practicing Catholic so can’t come out and endorse killing babies.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Going to be tragically hilarious to watch the GOP push amnesty through, then begin the inevitable long, slow parade of losing virtually every national election, losing formerly reliable red stronghold states… and bleat endlessly about it being the fault of conservatives. There will never come a moment of realization that they were warned this was coming, but shot the messengers (and their base) instead.

I hope the bribes were worth it.

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 9:04 PM

You lose Texas, there’s no way electorally to ever get the WH. And amnesty will turn Texas blue. The losses will go down to the state and local level too. You don’t import 60 million (at least) socialist-leaning, uneducated, impoverished lawbreakers without dire consequences, the most tragic being the death of the once historic American nation.

TxAnn56 on May 19, 2014 at 9:14 PM

What does the word “comprehensive” mean in this context? This is like saying the majority of Americans want “comprehensive” healthcare reform and you know where that got us. Obama said during his first campaign that he ‘acts as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their view’. And that is exactly how these poll questions work. They are so broad that the average American projects what he/she thinks the concept means to them, what he/she wants reform to be – in this case what their own concept of immigration reform is. If Americans have not learned from Obamacare they will never learn.

DaveDief on May 19, 2014 at 9:17 PM

This is a set up! Bogus question. Amnesty and Border Security. Reform means nothing.

lilium479 on May 19, 2014 at 9:19 PM

the push polling that is regularly done just serves the interest of the Crony/Left machine.

but here’s what is happening on the ground

With border authorities in South Texas overwhelmed by a

surge of young illegal migrants traveling by themselves,

the Department of Homeland Security declared a crisis this week and moved to set up an emergency shelter for the youths at an Air Force base in San Antonio, officials said Friday.

After seeing children packed in a Border Patrol station in McAllen, Tex., during a visit last Sunday, Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson on Monday declared “a level-four condition of readiness” in the Rio Grande Valley. The alert was an official recognition that federal agencies overseeing borders, immigration enforcement and child welfare had been outstripped by a sudden increase in unaccompanied minors in recent weeks.

there’s a reason fait accompli is such an important tool of the left. It is working quite well.

r keller on May 19, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Gee, I wonder if this comprehensive immigration reform includes securing the border?

We don’t need secure borders, everyone knows that the terrorists only come here on airplanes and, the only place that needs security is the airport (sarc)

I hate that our lawmakers now make comprehensive laws that contain so much crp and are so big that the average citizen doesn’t even know what is in the law. They will have 5 or so pages, out of 3000, dedicated to security. These new security laws will be ignored, just like our current immigration laws, the border fence, the Constitution, VA irregularities, the 4th amendment, etc.

If the Republicans were serious about border security, they would hammer the fact that open borders make us more vulnerable to terrorist attacks. They would also point out that all countries secure their borders and the US is well within their right to do the same. Then they should compare our immigration policy with Mexico’s. The Republican Party flubs the border enforcement message on purpose and allows the dems to frame the debate because they are doing the bidding of the chamber of commerce.

Ibanez Lotus on May 19, 2014 at 9:41 PM

If I got a dime for every time someone called BS on a poll that showed Obama beating Romney, I would be sipping tea in Bahamas.

Maybe I better my collection jar this time around.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Or better yet, how about just sip your tea in silence (that includes cyber silence :), when you have nothing to say, really, other than self-referential, which btw, nobody cares to hear…like, say, your tea bagging (oups, I meant sipping) habits…

jimver on May 19, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Make a comment on one of my older post at my blog (my nom). When you do that I am the only one who can see it. No one else will know which post you picked. When I see the comment come up, I will reply with my email addy on that same page. When you have copied off the email addy let me know. I will then delete the entire thing. Let me know when you want to do this. I don’t always pay attention to my comment page. So, give me a heads up that you are ready. ; )

Bmore on May 19, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Bmore on May 19, 2014 at 9:49 PM

On my way now!

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Done!

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Deme todas la tierra se dice El Hombre Trotsky

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 9:55 PM

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Lolz! Go to an older post with in my blog. I am deleted the two comments you made. ; )

Bmore on May 19, 2014 at 9:58 PM

LOL, ok!

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Is that better? ;)

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 10:05 PM

When I read this I laugh out loud and it inspires me to think — hey, go for it! Clearly everyone is on board, right? What could go wrong?

Except for the minor, nagging details that lots of the 71% weren’t asked the right question in the poll, and all of the 29% are Republicans who won’t vote for anyone supporting amnesty for illegal aliens.

So, quick math … pass an amnesty bill and you lose every single election in November to the sickening maggot Democrats. Go for it.

Jaibones on May 19, 2014 at 10:06 PM

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