Poll: 71% support comprehensive immigration reform

posted at 7:21 pm on May 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

Nothing makes a diehard eeyore like me happier than a depressing poll, but even I’ve got to call BS on this one. C’mon, Politico.

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That 71 percent includes 90 percent of Latinos, 78 percent of Democrats, and 64 percent of Republicans — and frankly, I’m surprised the totals for each aren’t higher. Except to the small minority of the population that follows immigration news closely, the phrase “comprehensive immigration reform” is almost totally meaningless. News junkies recognize it as a term of art to describe a compromise on border security and legalization; to everyone else, which is pretty much everyone, I suspect all it means is “reform of America’s immigration laws,” which can mean virtually anything. It’s not unlike the phrase “fiscal responsibility.” If you asked Ted Cruz and Elizabeth Warren whether they support fiscal responsibility, they’d both tell you yes, emphatically. For Cruz, that means cutting spending to balance the budget; for Warren, it means higher taxes on the wealthy and greater redistribution to grow the middle class. The term is empty unless you specify a definition — which, in the case of “comprehensive immigration reform,” pollsters rarely do. I think the most that can be gleaned from wording this vague is that the public is broadly open to some form of legalization; it may be that voters have now heard enough about this subject on the news plus the fact that Republicans are holding out on it that they’ve deduced that “comprehensive” reform involves legalizing illegals in some way, and they’re okay with that. But then, we already knew that. More thorough polls than this one have also showed majority support for letting illegals stay with some new status. Safe to say that some sizable minority of Republicans agrees with the vast majority of Democrats that it’s time to bring illegals “out of the shadows.” And somehow, all of those Republicans ended up in Congress.

Politico goes on to note, by the way, that 73 percent of respondents say that immigration reform is “important” to how they’ll vote in November, including 85 percent of Latinos. Fair enough, but when you ask voters to prioritize which issues matter most to them, this happens:

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Then again, just because amnesty isn’t the most important issue to anyone doesn’t mean it’s not “important.” The trick for Boehner and company is figuring out who it’s more important to, the voters they’re trying to woo or the voters they’re trying to keep. My strong hunch is that an amnesty bill will push this issue much higher up the list of conservative voters’ priorities in November than it will Latinos’. But I suppose that depends on how easily suckered righties will be by gimmicks like this:

“Nobody trusts the president, and that’s just the reality,” said Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (Fla.), a Republican who has written a bill that beefs up border security and offers a path to legal status for illegal immigrants. “Can the president re-establish his credibility in the next two months with the House, with the American people or with our allies? No. I think he can hopefully not make it worse.”…

Diaz-Balart’s solution to the dilemma is to write legislation that would “hold the administration accountable” so it cannot ignore requirements to enforce border security. He would not give specifics, but his provisions would probably include a trigger based on a proposal agreed to last year that would revoke legal status for immigrants after five years if an employer E-Verify program were not in place.

You buy that, don’t you? The pro-amnesty GOP leadership, which has the Chamber of Commerce screaming in one ear and immigration activists screaming in the other, is going to pass a bill legalizing illegals — and then revoke that legalization right before the 2020 election, after millions more young Latinos have turned 18 and are preparing to vote for the first time, because E-Verify hasn’t been implemented yet. There’s not the faintest chance of that happening, of course; once legalization is here, it’s here to stay. But maybe there are enough Republicans out there who want this issue off the table that they’ll swallow that, or pretend to swallow it, in the interest of moving this along. Or, maybe Obama simply won’t be able to resist panders like this to his own base that will hopelessly destroy Boehner’s chances of building enough support in the House to pass something. We’re in a race now: Can Obama, deliberately or not, blow up reform before the House leadership completely caves on it?


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Jaibones on May 19, 2014 at 10:06 PM

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 10:13 PM

There hasn’t been a conservative author here since Bryan Preston.

bw222 on May 19, 2014 at 8:22 PM

My first instinct is to b1tchslap you for insulting the bloggers you read by choice. Want someone more conservative? Go to Breitbart…be happy…and STFU.

But on second thought — putting aside your dumb hyperbole — you have a point. None of the regulars here are particularly conservative, while virtually all of the commenters are (there seems to be a lot of readers who never comment, and I suspect they are much less certain of hard-line conservatism than we are).

Still, why doesn’t HotAir have a single seriously conservative blogger? Has it succumbed to the dreaded media disease?

Jaibones on May 19, 2014 at 10:14 PM

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 10:13 PM

;-|

Jaibones on May 19, 2014 at 10:17 PM

My first instinct is to b1tchslap you for insulting the bloggers you read by choice. Want someone more conservative? Go to Breitbart…be happy…and STFU.
But on second thought — putting aside your dumb …
Jaibones on May 19, 2014 at 10:14 PM

His/her comment wasn’t dumb at all. Also, many people come here in large part for the comment section. I often learn more from the comment section than I do from the official blog posts. HotAir has one of the best comment sections! Don’t think that official bloggers like Jazz Shaw and Mary Katharine Ham are why many of us keep retuning. Sometimes it is DESPITE the official bloggers.

People should NOT “shut up” with their suggestions about how to improve this site.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 10:21 PM

Lady this site is only entered on by you for build ups on elections. Recent veterans who are running for office are the only ones to support. Lying scumbags wiil see their individual political and humanistic demise. All Wisdom

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 10:23 PM

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 7:47 PM

I guess La Raza come first for Gov. Martinez.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 19, 2014 at 10:27 PM

I want reform

Though the reform I want is to secure the border and enforce the laws.

cozmo on May 19, 2014 at 7:25 PM

…missed the thread…and just started reading it…stopped at the Bishop!…coz just said it all!

KOOLAID2 on May 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Another poll that offers a false dichotomy.

Why not offer ALL the choices???

As in this poll??

http://www.jmisys.com/immigrationmarches/zogby5.html

fred5678 on May 19, 2014 at 10:36 PM

At “The Corner” Mark Krikorian asks some vital questions about how this polling is done and suggests better polling questions:

They just keep coming. Politico has a story today on its own poll crowing that “GOP voters back immigration reform.” They asked “likely voters in competitive U.S. House and Senate races” questions on a variety of issues, including this one: “Do you support or oppose comprehensive immigration reform?” Seventy-one percent said they support it, including 64 percent of Republicans.

I’m sorry, but this is a joke. “Comprehensive immigration reform” is an advocacy term with a very specific meaning, but one designed to sound appealing to people who have no idea what that specific meaning is. Does it mean more immigration or less? Does it include amnesty? Does it mean skilled immigrants are given preference over the unskilled? Does “immigration reform” reflect the agenda of the restrictionist Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) or the expansionist Reform Immigration for America?

Using a term very few respondents are likely to understand allows them to simply impute their own preferences. If, for instance, you were to ask people whether they supported “comprehensive tax reform” you’d also get large majorities. But what would those respondents think the term meant? A flat tax? A consumption tax? Fewer deductions? Higher taxes on the rich?

It’s not clear to me whether this was deliberate deception on the part of the poll designers, SocialSphere, or the incompetence of people living in a bubble. Other questions in the survey did not include such advocacy-group terms. For instance, the survey did not ask about “marriage equality,” it asked “Do you support or oppose allowing same-sex couples to marry?” The abortion question didn’t ask people if they were ”pro-life” or “pro-choice” but described four possible viewpoints.

I’m still waiting for ostensibly reputable news organizations to ask things like “The current level of legal immigration is 1 million per year. Do you support or oppose increasing to 2 million a year?” Or “Suppose the illegal immigrants here today were granted legal status. How much confidence do you have that the federal government would enforce future immigration laws to prevent the growth of another large illegal population?”

I’m not holding my breath.

onlineanalyst on May 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM

History of La Raza. Started by golden glove boxer “Corky Gonzalez” whom was personally acquired by some New Mexico stable masters with the idea that SW US is Mexico. From what I observe from the Recoquista it is moving forth (La Creatora de Los Diablos) Knew Corky in the old days of Denver. He was ok. Just did not know who he was.

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 10:53 PM

‘Impeachable Offenses’: Obama Policy Releases Criminal Illegal Aliens..’

A new book exposes malfeasance by President Obama, and the administration’s defenders are trying to “kill the messenger”:

Houston immigration attorney Raed Gonzalez claims the controversy surrounding the Obama administration’s release of tens of thousands of criminal illegal aliens is just a “publicity stunt” generated by the authors of a book documenting the case for impeaching Obama.
Gonzalez has been the liaison between the Executive Office for Immigration Review, which administers the immigration court system, and the American Immigration Lawyers Association. Asked about the scandal on Fox News’ “Justice with Judge Jeanine,” Gonzalez told the audience, “I think all of you fell for the publicity stunt of Mr. Elliott and miss, miss, what was it, Brenda Elliot and Mr. Aaron Klein, with their book, ‘Impeachable Offenses,’ that came out a couple of weeks ago. And they were denouncing the Obama administration for releasing all of these people.” . . .

Recently reported information about the Obama administration’s release in 2013 of 36,007 criminal illegal aliens . . . originated with internal memos from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency, or ICE, as cited in a report by the Center for Immigration Studies.

However, in “Impeachable Offenses: The Case to Remove Barack Obama from Office,” New York Times bestselling authors Klein and Elliott cite further ICE documentation showing the release of thousands more criminal illegals from 2009 to 2011.

“Impeachable Offenses” further documents that of the more than 7,000 criminals released in those years, some went on to be charged with 19 more murders, three attempted murders and 142 sex crimes after their release from jail by the Obama administration.
The statistics pose a grim outlook for the 36,007 additional criminal illegal aliens reportedly released last year by ICE.

Read the whole thing. Gonzalez is using a favorite liberal tactic: Trying to divert attention from a story by referring to the allegedly malicious motives of the people reporting or promoting the story. To say that Klein and Elliott are conservatives, or to say that attention to the criminal alien scandal helps Klein and Elliott sell books — well, these things may be entirely true, without changing one iota the basic facts of the story, or the policy issues involved, or the political impact of the story.
It’s like when the Left screams “Koch money!” as if the funding of any particular project by the Koch brothers immediately discredits that project. This is just a distraction tactic, and when Democrats use these tactics, they should be called out for it.

Also, you should probably buy Impeachable Offenses: The Case to Remove Barack Obama from Office by Aaron Klein and Brenda Elliott. If the Left hates it this much, it’s got to be pretty awesome…”

http://theothermccain.com/2014/05/19/impeachable-offenses-obama-policy-releases-criminal-illegal-aliens/

workingclass artist on May 19, 2014 at 11:02 PM

workingclass artist on May 19, 2014 at 11:02 PM

we do not need verbiage to know that a fool occupies the White House

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 11:15 PM

Supporting comprehensive immigration reform = 71%
Having any idea what “comprehensive immigration reform” means = 0%

KS Rex on May 19, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Heard I think it was Kudlow on the radio this week saying the tea party is now for amnesty which he calls ‘immigration reform’. He said Norquist is pure tea party and for ‘immigration’, as is Cardenas, and now Sal Russo of Tea Party Express wrote an op ed stating we need the 11 million to ‘come out of the shadows’ and Russo IS the tea party

Does the man believe that one, or is he just stupid

They are laying it on so thick, I expect new Rubio/Ryan ads any moment

A very important article to read is how certain large ‘tea party’ groups were co opted (IMHO to lead the rabble into amnestyland) 01-01-13 Who subverted tea-party movement? The article is about Armey and Freedomworks, but it describes the technique to build a false image of a movement by co opting the name, and redefining.

For his part, Armey got an eight million bucks ‘buyout’ to leave the organization after he stepped on its tail ever so carefully. Who was funding Freedomworks? IMHO, you coulds call it a buyout, or you coulds call it a reward

The MSM will tell you these groups are the tea Party, but that is part of the misinformation program. Double dog dirty all around, like the bogus polls. They want to end the real tea party resistance by installing amnesty. The election is coming and they want it before, not after for fear newcomers will rock the boat

entagor on May 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Heard I think it was Kudlow on the radio this week saying the tea party is now for amnesty which he calls ‘immigration reform’. He said Norquist is pure tea party and for ‘immigration’, as is Cardenas, and now Sal Russo of Tea Party Express wrote an op ed stating we need the 11 million to ‘come out of the shadows’ and Russo IS the tea party

Does the man believe that one, or is he just stupid

They are laying it on so thick, I expect new Rubio/Ryan ads any moment

A very important article to read is how certain large ‘tea party’ groups were co opted (IMHO to lead the rabble into amnestyland) 01-01-13 Who subverted tea-party movement? The article is about Armey and Freedomworks, but it describes the technique to build a false image of a movement by co opting the name, and redefining.

For his part, Armey got an eight million bucks ‘buyout’ to leave the organization after he stepped on its tail ever so carefully. Who was funding Freedomworks? IMHO, you coulds call it a buyout, or you coulds call it a reward

The MSM will tell you these groups are the tea Party, but that is part of the misinformation program. Double dog dirty all around, like the bogus polls. They want to end the real tea party resistance by installing amnesty. The election is coming and they want it before, not after for fear newcomers will rock the boat

entagor on May 19, 2014 at 11:31 PM

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Sigh……

Let me say it ONE more time. Yeah, I know, but there must be some that havent heard it or read it yet.

IMMIGRATION REFORM DOES NOT MEAN AMNESTY.

Ok, I know it’s clear to the level headed intelligent among the readers here, but the continuously stupid, ignorant, liberal muttonheads need to hear it (read it) over and over, and I know most still wont get it.

It’s sad, I know. The best we can do is pat them on the head with an IED and move on, quickly.

Diluculo on May 19, 2014 at 11:40 PM

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 11:43 PM

bw222 on May 19, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Jaibones on May 19, 2014 at 10:14 PM

O’Sullivan’s First Law

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2014 at 11:49 PM

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 11:43 PM

Fill in the blanks

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Reconquista is upon you.

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 11:58 PM

What exactly would you like to see ED and AP write to show their conservatism? I want examples. Give us an example of whom you would hire to write for this site if you were the boss and could pick anyone?

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Mark Steyn.

Also Mark Krikorian for the amnesty beat.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:49 PM

Good work, bluegill. I see that you cited Krikorian’s Corner post on this poll twice above. As does onlineanalyst, who quotes it in full at onlineanalyst on May 19, 2014 at 10:51 PM.

As far as I’m concerned, no issue on immigration is fleshed out until Krikorian weighs in. He’s an immigration warrior, and he knows the area inside and out.

BuckeyeSam on May 20, 2014 at 12:02 AM

Scathing and true

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Scathing and true

Schadenfreude on May 20, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Maybe. Wonder what the fellow was doing with three guns on border. Commonsense says no. Scullduggery says yes

kenny on May 20, 2014 at 12:24 AM

I’ve said it many times and will continue to say it: ANY LEGALIZATION is a de facto path to citizenship, guaranteed.

Wigglesworth on May 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM

I think you’re right.

David Blue on May 20, 2014 at 1:00 AM

Meh.

Let me phrase the question in different ways, and I can get you opposite results from the same sample. That’s why these issues polls are notoriously untrustworthy.

For instance, I am for “comprehensive immigration reform,” but to me it means enforcement issues like visa tracking, e-Verify for all employment and contracting, and border security done FIRST and implemented before discussing the other needed reforms, which do NOT include anyone leap-frogging anyone who followed the rules for citizenship, period.

One reason it is important to also get a new guest worker status for those here already who haven’t committed new crimes is to get them on the books for taxation, and take another segment of the underground economy away. But the government, especially Democrats, can’t be trusted with any of that until the enforcement measures are IN PLACE.

It doesn’t mean the same thing to Obama, I understand.

But we might answer this poll the same.

I note 4 times as many see health care as their most important issue. I doubt many of those are supporters.

Adjoran on May 20, 2014 at 1:12 AM

I’m still waiting for the poll question…”Do you support citizenship for people who came into this country illegally?”

cajunpatriot on May 20, 2014 at 8:43 AM

The GOP will betray you

That’s all you need to know

True_King on May 20, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Reform I support:

1. CLOSE and SECURE the U.S. Border FIRST – Amnesty can be granted as soon as the borders are closed / secured. The last time amnesty was granted the American people were served up a steaming pile of B$ about how the GOVT would secure the borders so this would never happen again. ‘Fool me once shame on you…fool me twice SHAME ON ME! Not this time!

2. Obey / Enforce EVERY U.S. IMMIGRATION Law TO THE LETTER(for a change)

3. NO driver’s license, NO Job, NO tuition assistance, No U.S. Tax Payer-funded benefits for Illegals / anyone without a Visa. Once Amnesty is granted, every illegal in this country should have to pick up a ‘New U.S. Citizen – AMNESTY’ card that they must show (in lieu of a birth certificate) to get a driver’s license, a job, benefots. If they do not have one, they get none.

3. Arrest / Jail / DEPORT every Illegal who commits a crime (drunk driving, assault, sexual crimes, murder, etc). Once Amnesty is granted, for at least 1 year, any violent / feloy crime should result in the revocation of the individual’s Amnesty and they should be immediately deported.

4. When deporting Illegals, photograph, fingerprint, and get DNA samples of every one of them. IF they are caught a 2nd time trying to get in this country or get caught again IN this country, deport them – BUT ‘CHIP’ THEM 1st. Implant an ID chip like we do with our pets!

5. GIVE lIBERALS WHAT THEY WANT – GIVE THE ILLEGALS AMNESTY….but…Illegals who are granted AMNESTY should become ‘CONDITIONAL CITIZENS’. THIS MEANS SINCE THEY SHOWED A TOTAL DISREGARD FOR OUR NATION’S LAWS THEY GET TO BECOME CITIZENS, GET TO WORK, PAY TAXES, AND RECEIVE SOCIAL PROGRAM BENEFITS…BUT THEY DO NOT GET TO VOTE…POSSIBLY EVER. In a way they get treated like Felons in that regard. You broke the law to get here, but you DON’T get to vote! (Let’s see how many politicians will fight for Illegals once they realize none of these criminals they are helping will be able to help them by voting to keep them in office!) ONLY allow immigrants who obeyed the rules and became citizens the right / legal way have the right to vote!

6. Stop sending U.S. Teams to Mexico to teach Mexicans how to file for Social Security, Food Stamps, etc once they illegally cross the border. (TRUE – it’s actually going on…and you’re paying for it!)

7. Begin holding Mexico accountable — if they do not make a much larger effort to curtail the flow of their people illegally into this country STOP SENDING THEM ANY MONETARY – OR OTHERWISE – FOREIGN AID TO MEXICO!

easyt65 on May 20, 2014 at 8:57 AM

Oh…

8. NO MORE ‘ANCHOR BABIES’. Being 9 months pregnant, crossing the border, and delivering a baby on this side of the ‘line’ does not mean that baby is an American citizen! Once Mexico adopts that as part of their laws, that the reverse can happen, then we should consider it again…but don’t hold your breath waiting for that to happen!

easyt65 on May 20, 2014 at 8:59 AM

Countries have been invaded and taken over from the inside since the beginning of time. It didn’t matter if the country was prosperous, weak or strong, and we’re no different. We’re just watching it in slo-mo real time as it happens and have a written record of our past to point to where it started and by whom. The country is evolving into something it wasn’t designed to be. There is no stopping it and no going back.

Kissmygrits on May 20, 2014 at 9:02 AM

They will pass Amnesty when they win the senate and install Rubio as King in 2016 but he will go down hard against Hillary. At that point the nail in the coffin of America will be completed.

weedisgood on May 20, 2014 at 9:03 AM

The only ones preventing Amnesty from passing is the conservative base.

Libertarians want Amnesty
Catholics want Amnesty
Big business/Chamber of Commerce want Amnesty
Liberals want Amnesty

Ultimately it will pass because the big name players will retire and get jobs as lobbyists, far more lucrative than their congressional pay.

weedisgood on May 20, 2014 at 9:06 AM

I’m still waiting for the poll question…”Do you support citizenship for people who came into this country illegally?”

cajunpatriot on May 20, 2014 at 8:43 AM

There are lots of questions pollsters won’t ask because it won’t generate the desired response.
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Would you support immigration reform if there was no guarantee of the border being secured first?
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Would you support immigration reform if it resulted in adding 40 million new immigrants over the next 10 years?
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Would you support immigration reform if it negatively effected the wages of American workers?
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Would you support giving a work visa to undocumented immigrants that have an arrest record?
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Would you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants that have a criminal conviction?

Wigglesworth on May 20, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Liberals are on a rampage.

higgins1991 on May 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM

It’s Politico, it’s garbage.

neyney on May 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Hey guys? Remember what happened last time we argued about all of these polling numbers? Romney got his head handed to him electorally and we were left holding a bag of empty promises about the numbers being “off.” We’re losing the war of public opinion and ignoring numbers or dismissing them isn’t translating into election wins. Keep arguing about numbers in May being off and Dems will keep dancing in November.

ThomasPaineandsuffering on May 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

First, do the people taking this immigration poll (or any other) know what Comprehensive Immigration Reform even means?

Second, nobody said the general public was any smarter than the representatives they send to Congress and Congress doesn’t have a clue (with rare exception).

They’re like the nerdly geek who thinks that, if he takes a hip hop class, wears his pants hanging off of his ass and massacres the English language like a rapper, the black kids will love him up.

Has there ever been a leader of a major American political party as fundamentally stupid as John Boehner? Not only is he being taken to the cleaners, he’s offering to drive himself there.

IndieDogg on May 20, 2014 at 11:53 AM

comprehensive

Code for add in anything you want to the bill that provides amnesty to those who have illegally entered this country.

TerryW on May 20, 2014 at 12:56 PM

Amendment to remove birthright citizenship, only allowing citizenship if at least one parent is a citizen. All employers must use E verify. No amnesty, just decide legal status. No Dream Act (or wishful thinking act) after its first discussion in 2001. Thereafter, illegals are just trying to pile on to that possibility. However, since that time, we should still only be discussing those in the country at that time. Also, we don’t need to increase the STEM foreign workers since this was also shown to be a lie.
This should be enough to begin the comprehensive illegal immigration reform.

geezerintraining on May 20, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Lady this site is only entered on by you for build ups on elections.

kenny on May 19, 2014 at 10:23 PM

EXCUSE ME?!?!?!?!?!

ladyingray on May 20, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Broad polls like this mean nothing.

Ask them if they want 20 million new mouths to feed.

TX-96 on May 21, 2014 at 6:31 AM

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