Nunn refuses to answer whether she would have voted for ObamaCare

posted at 10:01 am on May 19, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

It’s not exactly a chapter for a new edition of Profiles in Courage, but Michelle Nunn apparently hopes her strange straddle on ObamaCare will keep her in the running for the US Senate seat from Georgia. NBC’s Kasie Hunt asks Nunn whether she would have voted for ObamaCare had she been in the Senate in 2010. Nunn gets so flustered that she butchers the official legislative name of ObamaCare and turns “architect” into a verb to provide a non-answer (via America Rising PAC):

NBC’S KASIE HUNT: “Would you have voted for the Affordable Care Act?”

MICHELLE NUNN: “At the time the Affordable Health Care Act was passed, I was working for Points of Light. I wished that we had more people who had tried to architect a bipartisan legislation.”

HUNT: “So yes or no?”

NUNN: “So I think it’s impossible to look back retrospectively and say what would you have done if you were there?”

After months on the campaign trail, this is the best Nunn can do? It seems Nunn didn’t get the DNC memo that it’s totally cool to run on ObamaCare. Why not just offer a “yes” or “no”? If she wants to win in Georgia, it had better be the latter, and if she expects support from the national party, it’d better be the former. The fact that she’s not willing to set her feet in either option tells Georgia voters that the answer is “yes,” but that she doesn’t want to be held accountable for that view.

Needless to say, this didn’t impress the Morning Joe crew:

Chuck Todd was a little more explicit in his disgust:

MSNBC’s CHUCK TODD: “But I have to say I thought – boy, nothing screamed practiced politician like that answer Michelle Nunn gave on health care. It just doesn’t come across as credible. You know what’s at least more credible is saying well I supported it but I don’t like this, this, and this. At least there’s a little credibility when you give that answer. When you somehow say, well I was busy doing another job -”

BRZEZINSKI: “You can’t look back. Come on now.”

TODD: “I think that’s a terrible answer. I think she’s going to have to get a better answer.”

It is a terrible answer, and a straddle that tells far more about the candidate than either other answer would have provided. The claim that a politician running for the Senate in 2014 has not articulated answer for a position on ObamaCare has as much credibility as a promise that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” does now. It doesn’t say, “I want to architect more bipartisan solutions,” but “I will say anything to get elected.” Good luck with that message in the year of Bending The Cost Curve Ballistic.


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“I’ll be happy to answer that question in more detail once the election is over.”

Bishop on May 19, 2014 at 10:04 AM

She would’ve.

22044 on May 19, 2014 at 10:05 AM

She starts everyone of her sentences with “So”. Quite annoying.

dirtseller on May 19, 2014 at 10:06 AM

My first thought: why is a nun being asked how she would vote for Obamacare?

will77jeff on May 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

boy, nothing screamed practiced politician like that answer Michelle Nunn gave on health care. It just doesn’t come across as credible.

So which is it, practiced politician or credible? I don’t think it can be both. Not to worry, she has former Republican senators Lugar and Warner to boost her with the squishes.

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Total fail. Just say you would’ve voted for it and be done.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

will77jeff on May 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

LOL! Me, to!

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Her response drove a cromulent point: we cannot reknowledge the past.

JeremiahJohnson on May 19, 2014 at 10:08 AM

So……..she won’t be the next Senator from Ga.

Bmore on May 19, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Interesting that she mentioned Points of Light, isn’t that a Pres. 41 Bush initiative.

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 10:12 AM

That’s an Obama answer…

PatriotRider on May 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Maybe she is channelling Pelosi…

You have to elect me to see what I will do.

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Batsh*t ugly too.

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Sure, why wouldn’t she say she’d have voted for it?

After all, the average family’s premiums have dropped by over 3000%, that is to say, by $2500-
and 40 million previously uninsured are now fully covered by affordable care plans previously unknown to science,
and birth control is free free free
and mammograms are available to every man woman and child regardless of age.

Plus the free rider problem is completely solved.

And birth control is free, did I mention that?

So heck yeah! Even if you’re a nunn, what’s not to be proud of?

Dolce Far Niente on May 19, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Morning Joe

What is a “Morning Joe”? Sounds kinda kinky.

Ruckus_Tom on May 19, 2014 at 10:17 AM

would she have, at least, read the d*mned thing?

jlw on May 19, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Is “Nunn” from a political dynasty? Enough of this! It’s similar to Republicans running “Connie Mack” from Florida just for the name and getting spanked.

Marcus on May 19, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Batsh*t ugly too.

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 10:15 AM

No kidding…

Why is it you can almost always pick out a Dem woman Pol from a crowd???…

PatriotRider on May 19, 2014 at 10:18 AM

Exit question, how many times will the GA electorate see that footage in the next 6 months?

Tater Salad on May 19, 2014 at 10:21 AM

She looks just like her dad.

Cindy Munford on May 19, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Wait, are those high cheekbones?

Fallon on May 19, 2014 at 10:21 AM

That’s a woman?

Why are a majority of liberal women afraid of a nice hairstyle and makeup?

gophergirl on May 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Batsh*t ugly too.

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 10:15 AM

What do her looks have to do with her qualifications? Misogynists really can’t help themselves.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Ed, “architect” has been used as a verb in the IT world for a little while. Of course that doesn’t make it a verb. :-)

Ex., “Architect a new solution.”

Ward Cleaver on May 19, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

She could have just said, “Splunge!”

Ward Cleaver on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

I don’t see them that way. I’d consider voting for her, if I identified with her politically.

Ward Cleaver on May 19, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Total fail. Just say you would’ve voted for it and be done.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Once in a while, you post with Clarity….this is one of
those posts….

ToddPA on May 19, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Oh please.

People solely voted for Obama because he’s black.

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:28 AM

She should check with her dad.

kcewa on May 19, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

*snort*

That’s so cute. I love being analyzed by someone who brought us the following:

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Translation: I care so little about the American public that I lie whenever I can to get elected, get rich and screw the middle class.

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Oh please.

People solely voted for Obama because he’s black.

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Oh you’re one of those idiots who thinks “race” is exclusively defined by a certain aesthetic. Even though Lupita Nyongo and Mya Rudolph are the same race. Next.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM

Batsh*t ugly too.

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 10:15 AM

What do her looks have to do with her qualifications? Misogynists really can’t help themselves.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM

A lot. Ugly women tend to be leftists because they are mad at the world for their looks, and they want everyone else to suffer as well. What’s your excuse, princess?

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:31 AM

“I’ll be happy to answer that question in more detail once the election is over.”

Bishop on May 19, 2014 at 10:04 AM

In other words “You’ll have to elect me to find out what I stand for”. A-la Nazi Pelosi.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

She could have a horn growing out of her forehead and if I agreed with her I would vote for her.

However, as a woman, you are going to be judged on how you present yourself appearance wise. It happens in politics, the business world, on the street. That’s why women wear makeup and men don’t.

gophergirl on May 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM

What do her looks have to do with her qualifications? Misogynists really can’t help themselves.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM

You would rather people lie and say she’s beautiful? We’re not liberals you know.

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Maybe not. Maybe the problem is your lack of respect for those who disagree with you.

kcewa on May 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Oh you’re one of those idiots who thinks “race” is exclusively defined by a certain aesthetic. Even though Lupita Nyongo and Mya Rudolph are the same race. Next.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM

OK.

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Whenever someone begins a sentence with “so” my ears stop working.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Dem primaries are more like dog shows.

/apologies to dogs

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Oh you’re one of those idiots who thinks “race” is exclusively defined by a certain aesthetic. Even though Lupita Nyongo and Mya Rudolph are the same race. Next.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM

‘I voted for Obama because he’s black’: Extraordinary outburst from Samuel L. Jackson

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

A lot. Ugly women tend to be leftists because they are mad at the world for their looks, and they want everyone else to suffer as well.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Jesus, it’s always a shock to see old, tired Ford-era Phillis Schafly-isms reproduced as if they were some kind of original thought. What’s next, you’re going to tell us that those suffragettes suffer from a “nervous” condition? Girl, bye.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Of course she would have voted for it, unless of course she would have been the one Democratic congressperson to actually read the damned thing.

TarasBulbous on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

‘I voted for Obama because he’s black’: Extraordinary outburst from Samuel L. Jackson

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

You’re slower than usual today. I didn’t say there weren’t people who voted for Obama because he’s black. I said that judging a woman based upon a certain standard of beauty is totally different than voting for someone because of their race. Because race is more than an aesthetic. Do you now know what aesthetic means?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

They seem to suffer on “how to quote properly” condition.

You’ve been here how long?

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:36 AM

I said that judging a woman based upon a certain standard of beauty is totally different than voting for someone because of their race. Because race is more than an aesthetic. Do you now know what aesthetic means?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Yes, you don’t find black to be beautiful?

No wonder you obsess over light-skinned blacks like Beyonce.

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Yeah, if voters elect her I would say “you own it now” Georgia come November. But I have faith in the Georgia electorate, they should do the right thing and not put her in office.

jake49 on May 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM


Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

That would be the establishment GOP only their term for ‘beauty’ is ‘electability’, an operational concept that has returned only Doles, Bushes, McCains, and Romneys, and centre-left policies articulated in terms focus-grouped to appeal to, or at least offend less than would be the case otherwise, low-information intuitive ‘conservatives.’

casuist on May 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM

They seem to suffer on “how to quote properly” condition.

You’ve been here how long?

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:36 AM

You got me. I made a mistake using the quote function. You win!

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:39 AM

Busted

cmsinaz on May 19, 2014 at 10:40 AM

You got me. I made a mistake using the quote function. You win!

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:39 AM

You’re like the black version of Jill Abramson.

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Even though Lupita Nyongo and Mya Rudolph are the same race. Next.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM

You learn something new every day. I never realized that Lupita Nyong’o was Jewish.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Jesus, it’s always a shock to see old, tired Ford-era Phillis Schafly-isms reproduced as if they were some kind of original thought. What’s next, you’re going to tell us that those suffragettes suffer from a “nervous” condition? Girl, bye.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

You can’t leave, all the progressive-Marxists will die!

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Because race is more than an aesthetic. Do you now know what aesthetic means?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

So what are you saying? People are not equal?

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

casuist on May 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Ha! And we’re supposed to pretend that the deification movie-icon Reagan, who had a wonderful voice, and who spent like a drunken sailor throughout his Administration, is somehow evidence of conservatives putting principles above iconography? Child, please.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

You’re slower than usual today. I didn’t say there weren’t people who voted for Obama because he’s black. I said that judging a woman based upon a certain standard of beauty is totally different than voting for someone because of their race. Because race is more than an aesthetic. Do you now know what aesthetic means?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Yes.

You don’t find black people to be beautiful?

No wonder you obsess about light skinned blacks like Beyonce.

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM

So what are you saying? People are not equal?

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

People are not equally what?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Ha! And we’re supposed to pretend that the deification movie-icon Reagan, who had a wonderful voice, and who spent like a drunken sailor throughout his Administration, is somehow evidence of conservatives putting principles above iconography? Child, please.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

If Reagan is a drunken sailor Obama is a $500 a day heroin addict.

I’m betting you have no idea how much we spend and where it goes.

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:44 AM

You’re slower than usual today. I didn’t say there weren’t people who voted for Obama because he’s black.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

What possible reason other than skin color could anyone have voted for Obama. He had no experience, no qualifications and no achievements that could have qualified him to be president. And no, being in the Senate certainly doesn’t qualify anyone to be president.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Ha! And we’re supposed to pretend that the deification movie-icon Reagan, who had a wonderful voice, and who spent like a drunken sailor throughout his Administration, is somehow evidence of conservatives putting principles above iconography? Child, please.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

It’s true, y’all. Here are some more truths about history from a progressive-Marxist:

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

My statement:

You’re slower than usual today. I didn’t say there weren’t people who voted for Obama because he’s black. I said that judging a woman based upon a certain standard of beauty is totally different than voting for someone because of their race. Because race is more than an aesthetic. Do you now know what aesthetic means?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

The response:

You don’t find black people to be beautiful?
sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM

You figure it out.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Actually, usage of “architect” as a verb is perfectly acceptable usage, not only in IT as mentioned above. “The building was architected in such a way that…”

flipflop on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

People are not equally what?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:42 AM

I’m asking you. You’re the one that said there’s more to race than aesthetics. Explain.

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

What possible reason other than skin color could anyone have voted for Obama. He had no experience, no qualifications and no achievements that could have qualified him to be president. And no, being in the Senate certainly doesn’t qualify anyone to be president.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

And don’t forget how Reid found him to be clean and articulate for a black dude.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

She could have a horn growing out of her forehead and if I agreed with her I would vote for her.

gophergirl on May 19, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Does that mean you vote for RINOs?

Steve Z on May 19, 2014 at 10:47 AM

And don’t forget how Reid found him to be clean and articulate for a black dude.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Which, if I remember correctly, both Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson got all huffed up about.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:48 AM

If Reagan is a drunken sailor Obama is a $500 a day heroin addict.

I’m betting you have no idea how much we spend and where it goes.

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:44 AM

You won the bet.

What part of “the federal government pays 100% of the costs and the state pays 10% of the cost in ten years” do you not understand?

libfreeordie on August 28, 2013 at 3:13 PM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Nunn gets so flustered that she butchers the official legislative name of ObamaCare and turns “architect” into a verb…

She’s definitely a weasel, but I think you’re nit-picking there a bit, Ed. Adding “health” hardly “butchers” the name of the Act, and “architect” is commonly used as a verb.

KS Rex on May 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

What possible reason other than skin color could anyone have voted for Obama.

1. Because nearly every voter chooses the candidate based upon general partisan lines.
2. Race is not “skin color,” again see the fact Mary Church Terrell and Nina Simone are categorized as the same race in the United States.
3. Republicans were pretty universally despised in 2008.

He had no experience, no qualifications and no achievements that could have qualified him to be president.

What exactly qualifies anyone to be President? Isn’t that a purely ideological question since it turns on what you think a President should be prepared to do while in office?

And no, being in the Senate certainly doesn’t qualify anyone to be president.

Fine what does? And offer up a non-ideological list of experiences that “qualify” one for the job.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

And don’t forget how Reid found him to be clean and articulate for a black dude.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:46 AM

?? Wasn’t that Joe Biden? I think Reid said something about his accent.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

You figure it out.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Libfree: “Only Republicans vote based on looks, dwerp, dwerp, dwerp.”

What about Obama. He was only voted in based on his skin color being black.

Libfree: “That’s not the same. His skin being black is not voting based on looks, dwerp, dwerp, dwerp, dwerp.”

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

I’m asking you. You’re the one that said there’s more to race than aesthetics. Explain.

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Explain the 400+ year history of racial categorization and identification in the West?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Clarify for us. What race is Obama?

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:51 AM

libfree is in one of it’s manic states today.

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

What do her looks have to do with her qualifications? Misogynists really can’t help themselves.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM

She shines ugly from the inside. It’s a common trait among liberals/democrats/progressives/marxists. Including you.

HumpBot Salvation on May 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Libfree: “Only Republicans vote based on looks, dwerp, dwerp, dwerp.”

What about Obama. He was only voted in based on his skin color being black.

Libfree: “That’s not the same. His skin being black is not voting based on looks, dwerp, dwerp, dwerp, dwerp.”

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Is this supposed to be an argument on your part, or your taking on the role of a confused child recapping HotAir posts? If the later, your rendition is spot on, bravo!

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Fine what does? And offer up a non-ideological list of experiences that “qualify” one for the job.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Oh I dunno, but I suspect successfully running something would be a big plus.

Something like a large corporation or a State.

What did Obama successfully run prior to his election?

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Is this supposed to be an argument on your part, or your taking on the role of a confused child recapping HotAir posts? If the later, your rendition is spot on, bravo!

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Just a quick recap of your inane arguments that Republicans vote mainly on looks.

Get it?

Have a cookie. If it’s a black and white cookie, you’re allowed to cut off the white part.

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

Clarify for us. What race is Obama?

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Is your question what race Obama “is?” That’s a deep philosophical question. I can help you with what race Obama is categorized within under the U.S. census. And I can tell you what race Obama identifies with.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM

What did Obama successfully run prior to his election?

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM

His mouth.

An extortion racket.

A con.

HumpBot Salvation on May 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM

libfree is in one of it’s manic states today.

faraway on May 19, 2014 at 10:52 AM

No siht! He’s offering some fairly valid arguments in one post and goes completely dipsiht in the next. Up and down, in and out.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Fine what does? And offer up a non-ideological list of experiences that “qualify” one for the job.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:49 AM

Any executive experience whatsoever. Only one other president in our history had zero executive experience when sworn in, and it showed as he learned on the job. But Obama, unlike Lincoln, can’t seem to learn anything.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Oh I dunno, but I suspect successfully running something would be a big plus.

That’s weird. Because the founders didn’t put a constitutional limit on people who were CEOs or state Governors. I wonder why.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

I’m asking you. You’re the one that said there’s more to race than aesthetics. Explain.

darwin on May 19, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Explain the 400+ year history of racial categorization and identification in the West?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:50 AM

You’re a fool, darwin. Progressive-Marxist perfessers above explaining. Just see the following as an example:

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Batsh*t ugly too.

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 10:15 AM

What do her looks have to do with her qualifications? Misogynists really can’t help themselves.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM

You realize that too is an adverb meaning, among other things, also, don’t you.

And I daresay that Mr. Morrissey’s post outlined just about all the angles of stupidity that Ms. Nunn’s response demonstrated. Indeed, one commenter in the thread offered the following criticism:

Total fail. Just say you would’ve voted for it and be done.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

I think it should be painfully obvious to all–even you–that txdoc evaluated Ms. Nunn, in the first instance, on the basis of her ideas and her exposition of them. Only after finding them wanting–that’s where the too word comes in–did he seek for any redeeming qualities. Sure, if given the time, he might have determined that she has a winning personality. But we already know she’s a Democrat and the failings that status entails and we now know her position on one of the leading issues of the day. Who would waste the time? Maybe the criticism was a little harsh–though I’m not seeing much disagreement–but to elevate that criticism to misogyny is laughable.

Hyperbole much?

BuckeyeSam on May 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Is your question what race Obama “is?” That’s a deep philosophical question.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM

No it’s not. Just answer the question or admit that you can’t. What is his race. If you can’t answer that one then just clarify. What was his father’s race and what was his mother’s race. What he identifies with is not a valid answer. It’s an attempt to obfuscate.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 10:58 AM

MSNBC’s CHUCK TODD: “You know what’s at least more credible is saying well I supported it but I don’t like this, this, and this. At least there’s a little credibility when you give that answer.”

I know that he’s talking about Michelle Nunn, but the statement above is not true for any of the 60 Senate Democrats who voted for cloture on Obamacare on December 23, 2009.

By voting for cloture, they gave up any credible claim that there were parts of Obamacare that they didn’t like and wanted to change.

If even a single one of those 60 Democrats had really objected to any parts of the bill, they could have voted “Nay” on cloture and kept working on the bill to improve those parts that they didn’t like.

Instead, all 60 Democrats unanimously and unilaterally voted for cloture and cut off any further debate on the bill, then voting the next day (Christmas Eve 2009) to pass the Obamacare crap sandwich.

Democrat Senators like Kay Hagan who are up for re-election cannot claim with any credibility, “well I supported it but I don’t like this, this, and this.” Kay Hagan and the rest of them voted to end debate and pass Obamacare as it was.

ITguy on May 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

HumpBot Salvation on May 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Is your question what race Obama “is?” That’s a deep philosophical question. I can help you with what race Obama is categorized within under the U.S. census. And I can tell you what race Obama identifies with.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Waiting………..

Tater Salad on May 19, 2014 at 10:59 AM

Only one other president in our history had zero executive experience when sworn in, and it showed as he learned on the job. But Obama, unlike Lincoln, can’t seem to learn anything.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Is your claim that being Vice President counts as “executive experience?” That’s an extremely low bar.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

That’s weird. Because the founders didn’t put a constitutional limit on people who were CEOs or state Governors. I wonder why.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Anything you have to say about the Founders can be ignored considering the following:

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

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That aside one has nothing to do with the other. There are no limits on being a retard, either. So what? Does that somehow make someone who is mentally challenged qualified to be president?

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

That’s weird. Because the founders didn’t put a constitutional limit on people who were CEOs or state Governors. I wonder why.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

If Obama was caught on live TV raping a little boy, blacks would still vote for him.

Let that sink in.

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Is your claim that being Vice President counts as “executive experience?” That’s an extremely low bar.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Oh snap! The progreesive-Marxist history perfesser is gonna school me!

School away:

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Of course Nunn would have voted for it. Anyone who doesn’t know that shouldn’t be voting.

What she should have said was, “I was a complete idiot back then, so I probably would have voted for it, but I’ve come to realize the Democratic Party is corrupt to its core. All Democrat proposals for the expansion of government are really attempts to control more of society from Washington, D.C., thereby increasing their own power. I’ve come to realize the Democratic Party’s politics of division and demagoguery is destructive to the well being of all Americans, especially the ones they pretend to care about. If I get to Washington and my message that the Party must change its ways is not heeded, I will caucus with the Republicans and support conservative values from there.”

That is what she should have said.

fadetogray on May 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Washington – Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army
Adams – Vice President, Minister
Jefferson – Vice President, Governor, Secretary of State, Minister
Madison – Secretary of State
Monroe – Governor, Secretary of State, Minister, Major
Adams – Minister, Secretary of State
Jackson – Governor, Colonel, Major General
Van Buren – Attorney General, Governor, Secretary of State, Minister
Harrison – Secretary of the Northwest Territory, Governor, Minister, Major General
Tyler – Governor, Vice President
Polk – Governor
Taylor – Major General
Fillmore – Comptroller of New York, Vice President
Pierce – Brigadier General
Buchanan – Minister, Secretary of State
Lincoln –
Johnson – Governor, Vice President
Grant – General of the Army
Hayes – Governor, Brevet Major General
Garfield – Major General
Arthur – Collector of the Port of New York, Vice President, Brigadier General
Cleveland – Mayor, Governor
Harrison – Brigadier General
McKinley – Governor, Brevet Major
Roosevelt – Assistant Secretary of the Navy, Governor, Vice President, Colonel
Taft – Governor-General of the Philippines, Secretary of War, Provisional Governor of Cuba
Wilson – President of Princeton University, Governor
Harding – Lieutenant Governor
Coolidge – Mayor, Lieutenant Governor, Governor, Vice President
Hoover – Secretary of Commerce
Roosevelt – Assistant Secretary of the Navy, Governor
Truman – Vice President, Major
Eisenhower – President of Columbia University, Plethora of Military Commands, General of the Army
Kennedy – Lieutenant
Johnson – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander
Nixon – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander
Ford – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander (I see a trend here)
Carter – Governor, Lieutenant
Reagan – Governor, Captain
Bush – Ambassador to the United Nations, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Director of Central Intelligence, Vice President, Lieutenant
Clinton – Attorney General, Governor
Bush – Governor, First Lieutenant
Obama -

So there you have. Obama is only our second president with zero executive experience in public service beforehand. So if many equals one, then yes, Obama is like many of our past presidents with zero executive experience.

NotCoach on October 30, 2013 at 9:49 AM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Any executive experience whatsoever. Only one other president in our history had zero executive experience when sworn in, and it showed as he learned on the job. But Obama, unlike Lincoln, can’t seem to learn anything.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Don’t think John Kennedy had any executive experience either to any great extent. He was the CO of a PT boat, but not a very successful one.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Is she married to that guy that heads the EPA?

BuckeyeSam on May 19, 2014 at 11:07 AM

No it’s not. Just answer the question or admit that you can’t.

I am happy to say that I can not answer the question, “what race is Barack Obama.”

I am more able to answer the question

What is his race.

“His” implies possession whether chosen (identified) or thrust upon (categorization). In that instance, “his” race is black.

What was his father’s race

Black, you know this.

and what was his mother’s race.

White, you also know this.

I’m sorry is this some weird conservative ploy where you try and suggest that because Obama has a white mother he is not “black?” As if this county has *ever* acknowledged in any legal form “mixed” race people. American racial categories are becoming somewhat more fluid now, very, very incrementally. But for *all* of our pre-21st century history, the racial system was this insane “one drop” thing. No matter how much white ancestry a person had, if you had “one drop” of non-white or black “blood,” then according to the U.S. census, the law and all other possible categories recognized you as black or some kind of “non-white.” This is not up for debate.

So yes, Obama’s race is “black,” because that is the category the United States created for humans who who have any perceptible sub-saharan African ancestry. It is also a category that a host of people with that ancestry happily and joyously identify with, despite the ongoing stigmas associated with “being” black.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Don’t think John Kennedy had any executive experience either to any great extent. He was the CO of a PT boat, but not a very successful one.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:05 AM

The executive experience is thin for a handful, but it is still more than zero experience.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM

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