Nunn refuses to answer whether she would have voted for ObamaCare

posted at 10:01 am on May 19, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

It’s not exactly a chapter for a new edition of Profiles in Courage, but Michelle Nunn apparently hopes her strange straddle on ObamaCare will keep her in the running for the US Senate seat from Georgia. NBC’s Kasie Hunt asks Nunn whether she would have voted for ObamaCare had she been in the Senate in 2010. Nunn gets so flustered that she butchers the official legislative name of ObamaCare and turns “architect” into a verb to provide a non-answer (via America Rising PAC):

NBC’S KASIE HUNT: “Would you have voted for the Affordable Care Act?”

MICHELLE NUNN: “At the time the Affordable Health Care Act was passed, I was working for Points of Light. I wished that we had more people who had tried to architect a bipartisan legislation.”

HUNT: “So yes or no?”

NUNN: “So I think it’s impossible to look back retrospectively and say what would you have done if you were there?”

After months on the campaign trail, this is the best Nunn can do? It seems Nunn didn’t get the DNC memo that it’s totally cool to run on ObamaCare. Why not just offer a “yes” or “no”? If she wants to win in Georgia, it had better be the latter, and if she expects support from the national party, it’d better be the former. The fact that she’s not willing to set her feet in either option tells Georgia voters that the answer is “yes,” but that she doesn’t want to be held accountable for that view.

Needless to say, this didn’t impress the Morning Joe crew:

Chuck Todd was a little more explicit in his disgust:

MSNBC’s CHUCK TODD: “But I have to say I thought – boy, nothing screamed practiced politician like that answer Michelle Nunn gave on health care. It just doesn’t come across as credible. You know what’s at least more credible is saying well I supported it but I don’t like this, this, and this. At least there’s a little credibility when you give that answer. When you somehow say, well I was busy doing another job -”

BRZEZINSKI: “You can’t look back. Come on now.”

TODD: “I think that’s a terrible answer. I think she’s going to have to get a better answer.”

It is a terrible answer, and a straddle that tells far more about the candidate than either other answer would have provided. The claim that a politician running for the Senate in 2014 has not articulated answer for a position on ObamaCare has as much credibility as a promise that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan” does now. It doesn’t say, “I want to architect more bipartisan solutions,” but “I will say anything to get elected.” Good luck with that message in the year of Bending The Cost Curve Ballistic.


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Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas. libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Conservative stupid, liberal smart.

The competition is about ideas alright, the ideas of Marx & Engels vs. Madison & Washington.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Your own list proves your insanity.

“Executive” experience would imply that the individual was the head of an organization, where all accountability stopped at their desk. This excludes all Vice Presidents and:

Adams – Who was a minister, but not a pastor.
Madison – who served in the cabinet.
Adams – See above.
Taylor – Who served under the commander in chief.
Fillmore – Comptroller of New York (girl please)
Pierce – Brigadier General (again, not even the head of the Army)
Buchanan – Explain why “minister” counts as executive experience, but teaching a college class doesn’t? You design the syllabus, you impart the knowledge, you evaluate the results, you assign grades. If preaching is “executive experience” than so is higher ed.

Lincoln –
Garfield – Not head of the army.
Arthur – Collector of the Port of New York, Vice President, Brigadier General (see above)
Harrison – Brigadier General (see above)
Harding – Lieutenant Governor (*snort*)
Hoover – Secretary of Commerce. Seriously? Cabinet positions are executive experience? OK Girl….
Truman – Vice President, Major (see above)
Kennedy – Lieutenant (PUHLEEZE)
Johnson – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander (see above)
Nixon – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander (see above)
Ford – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander ( me too!)
Obama -

So there you have it. You’re a moron.
NotCoach on October 30, 2013 at 9:49 AM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM

A liberal would never get elected to anything in most states if they actually stated their beliefs.

cajunpatriot on May 19, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Why do all these Progressive chicas ALL look dweebishly the same?

tree hugging sister on May 19, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Your own list proves your insanity.

“Executive” experience would imply that the individual was the head of an organization, where all accountability stopped at their desk. This excludes all Vice Presidents and:

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Does being a progressive-Marxist perfesser mean that you are allowed to make up your own definitions so you can attempt to win an argument?

Everything I listed involved command of men and institutions in the public sector. The issue here is your lack of understanding when it comes to what it means to be an executive. Sort of like how you don’t understand our Founding at all.

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 11:29 AM

So yes, Obama’s race is “black,” because that is the category the United States created for humans who who have any perceptible sub-saharan African ancestry. It is also a category that a host of people with that ancestry happily and joyously identify with, despite the ongoing stigmas associated with “being” black.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Oh bullshit! You are so full of race obsessed crap that you see the world through a brown haze. Conservatives don’t give one whit what race someone is. We love such notable conservatives as Clarence Thomas and Alan West. There is no stigma today in “being” black. If there were you’d find a lot of people trying to “Pass”. The only thing keeping racism alive in this country is the liberal press and those who have a money interest in keeping it alive. People like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the Democrat party. They prey on willing slaves like you. They promise you heaven and never deliver. They keep you in chains not us. Why do you willingly wear them? You’re living proof that Lyndon Johnson was right.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Another slimey posturing cowardly response from a politician. If you were conducting a job interview to hire him, and he refused to answer your questions, would you hire him? Absolutely not. This is exactly the same thing, Nunn is asking us for a job and refuses to state how how she would do the job. She is unfit for any office.

sharpshooter on May 19, 2014 at 11:33 AM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM

ROFLMAO

If you don’t think being an officer in any of the military branches qualifies as executive experience…you truly are an imbecile.

And wonder why the founders considered cabinet positions as next in line for the Presidency. Ya think those cabinet positions might have some budgetary oversight as well as managerial duties? Ok girl. Now of course if you were judging obama’s cabinet members on performance…yeah they don’t quite measure up.

And this idiot thinks creating a syllabus and grading papers is executive material. LOL.

HumpBot Salvation on May 19, 2014 at 11:34 AM

When Rand Paul told reporters that he supported the Civil Rights Act and its intention, but that he thought the federal government had misused it to abrogate private property rights, he was ignorantly attacked by the liberal press. Senator Paul had the testicular fortitude to honestly state and explain his position.

Fast forward to Mizz Nunn’s cowardly dodge and the leftist press thinks it’s no big deal. It’s the campaign analogy of Pelosi’s “pass the bill to find out what’s in it” statement – “elect me so you can find out what positions I support.” She’s taking a page from the playbook of Barry “honest and transparent” Obama, substitute rhetoric for facts.

sixchickensleft on May 19, 2014 at 11:35 AM

@Not Coach

You forgot obama worked at Baskin Robbins for a couple weeks. The manager let him run the register once, so that counts as executive experience.

HumpBot Salvation on May 19, 2014 at 11:37 AM

federal government had misused it to abrogate private property rights, he was ignorantly attacked by the liberal press.

sixchickensleft on May 19, 2014 at 11:35 AM

No, not ignorantly. They did it with malice aforethought to destroy someone they fear as a viable opponent to their agenda.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Buchanan – Explain why “minister” counts as executive experience, but teaching a college class doesn’t? You design the syllabus, you impart the knowledge, you evaluate the results, you assign grades. If preaching is “executive experience” than so is higher ed.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Derp. Not that kind of minister, moron.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM

That left more than one mark. And I bet it hurt real good.

platypus on May 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Batsh*t ugly too.

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 10:15 AM

What do her looks have to do with her qualifications? Misogynists really can’t help themselves.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Actually, she is Batsh*t ugly. And it has nothing to do with the way she looks. Why do you have to be so shallow, brainfree? Oh, I forgot you’re a liberal progressive. Guess you’re pretty Batsh*t ugly too.

NOMOBO on May 19, 2014 at 11:43 AM

Don’t worry, this will mean nothing to the low info voters who will morph her comments to mean whatever they want them to mean

Brock Robamney on May 19, 2014 at 11:44 AM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM

While I might agree that some Presidents lacked a great deal of administrative experience (Obama does appear to lack any whatsoever), it is clear from Libfree’s post she simply does not understand what administration and executive action consists of.

Which means she has never been an administrator or manager either.

It is also clear that she doesn’t attach any importance to how well a President does his job (which is in large part administering the largest entity on the planet), just that he be ideologically aligned with libfree.

Once again, emotion triumphs over reason with progressives. It just feels so good for libfree to have a black leftist ideologue for Pres, we should just set the bar low enough as far as job performance so that even Obama can leap it. Or perhaps its that mindset of a teenager that anyone can be a rock star or an NBA player; totally dismissing the real-world requirement that someone needs talent and experience before playing in the Bigs.

Emotion over reason.
Discussing a woman based on looks = misogyny, d*mned Rethuglican.
Voting for a person based on skin pigmentation = totally justified cuz 400 years Rayciss! , you d*amned Rethuglican.

Dolce Far Niente on May 19, 2014 at 11:47 AM

So there you have it. You’re a moron.
NotCoach on October 30, 2013 at 9:49 AM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Executive (noun) – a person or group of persons having administrative or supervisory authority in an organization.

Somehow in the course of your elite Ivy league education you must have missed that definition. Additionally, you are betraying your authoritatian impulse by thinking that only the person on the top of the totem pole (or is that deemed insensitive in your PC taxonomy these days?) has supervisory and administrative duties. Interesting that you have to trash the respectable careers of so many honorable Americans to explain away the inability of your god-king to either stop the seas from rising or the economy from sinking.

Also your list reveals your utter ignorance of what people do for a living, which is not surprising for someone who doesn’t have a real job. A brigadier general most certainly has administrative or supervisory authority. A lieutenant governor not so much. Cabinet positions certainly are executive. A Navy LCDR? Depends on the job.

Regardless of your high confidence to knowledge ratio, qualification for the top job is in the eye of the beholder.

dreadnought62 on May 19, 2014 at 11:47 AM

libfreeordie shows

a) Lefties are incredibly sheltered

b) Lefties flail wildly when effectively rebutted

c) Lefties really do think life is all one way, their way

d) All of the above

formwiz on May 19, 2014 at 11:48 AM

That left more than one mark. And I bet it hurt real good.

platypus on May 19, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Conversations with libfree always devolve to that. I’ve said the same thing to him many times. In truth I’m split emotionally about him. On the one hand I pity him then again I want to smack him because he’s unwilling to throw off the chains. He’s been brainwashed his entire life and appears incapable of breaking free. If someone lies to me, just once, I never trust them again and I certainly wouldn’t vote for them for anything.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:50 AM

If someone lies to me, just once, I never trust them again and I certainly wouldn’t vote for them for anything.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:50 AM

He suffers from BLS (Battered Leftists Syndrome).

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Nunn might not have voted for ACA. ACA wasn’t going to be nearly destructive enough. She would have been holding out for single payer.

So the answer she gave was really as honest an answer as Democrats ever give. It isn’t her fault the squishy headed middle voters are too stupid to understand she was leaving out the most important part.

fadetogray on May 19, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants…
libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Hahahaha Barack Hahahhaha Obama hahahahha

rhombus on May 19, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:50 AM

I bet libfreeofbrains is somewhere in this picture.

platypus on May 19, 2014 at 11:59 AM

Oh bullshit! You are so full of race obsessed crap that you see the world through a brown haze.

Insult with no analysis.

Conservatives don’t give one whit what race someone is. We love such notable conservatives as Clarence Thomas and Alan West.

Not relevant to your question about what race Obama “is.” You pulled a very lame sleight of hand. You pretended to ask a question about Obama’s race. And then when you didn’t get the answer you wanted, you got angry and recycled boring conservative talking points on this being a post-racial society that are as fresh as they are when segregationists used them to oppose civil rights.

There is no stigma today in “being” black.

OK sure.

If there were you’d find a lot of people trying to “Pass”.

You do.

The only thing keeping racism alive in this country is the liberal press and those who have a money interest in keeping it alive. People like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and the Democrat party. They prey on willing slaves like you. They promise you heaven and never deliver. They keep you in chains not us. Why do you willingly wear them? You’re living proof that Lyndon Johnson was right.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Ancient post-racial arguments that have nothing to do with my post about the one drop rule and the history of racial categorization. But, I guess if it made you feel better…

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 12:02 PM

“Who am I to judge?” – Pope Fallacious

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 12:02 PM

You do.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Seriously? Can you name one, other than Halle Berry (who enhances herself but has never denied her heritage).

platypus on May 19, 2014 at 12:05 PM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

shut up

dmacleo on May 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM

blink on May 19, 2014 at 11:58 AM

You’ll note that libfree thinks grading papers and creating lesson plans and syllibi are administration, which as clearly as possible shows she simply does not understand the meaning of the word, i.e. never been in a position of authority.

Dolce Far Niente on May 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM

Ancient post-racial arguments that have nothing to do with my post about the one drop rule and the history of racial categorization. But, I guess if it made you feel better…

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Your race-card is maxed out. It has been for a long time here at HA. So sad for you that you walk around all day looking to be insulted because of your race.

VegasRick on May 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM

She starts everyone of her sentences with “So”. Quite annoying.

dirtseller on May 19, 2014 at 10:06 AM

I HATE that…

dpduq on May 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM

That list of experience for past presidents earlier tweaked my interest. The list compared Lincoln to Obama as Lincoln having no executive experience. I recalled that Lincoln practiced law in Illinois. It should also be noted that Lincoln educated himself. Well enough to pass the bar in Illinois too. From all accounts a very successful lawyer. He was also a Captain in the Illinois militia, postmaster in New Salem and worked as a surveyor. All in all a fairly impressive resume’. Better, I’d say by far than either JFK or BHO. Showed great perseverance and initiative not born to any wealth or position and certainly no affirmative action perks.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 12:02 PM

 
Your race-card is maxed out. It has been for a long time here at HA. So sad for you that you walk around all day looking to be insulted because of your race.
 
VegasRick on May 19, 2014 at 12:07 PM

 
I’m fairly sure this is a new LFOD. His style has changed since he left for good this last time once again. This one still plays all the golden oldies but is much more abrasive, and somehow even manages to come across as less bright.
 
I suspect the handle gets passed around an apartment or between teachers’ assistants.

rogerb on May 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I’m fairly sure this is a new LFOD. His style has changed since he left for good this last time once again.

rogerb on May 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Had the same impression myself. The boytoy used to post but I didn’t notice any of the misspellings that usually accompanied his posts.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM

@

Not Coach

You forgot obama worked at Baskin Robbins for a couple weeks. The manager let him run the register once, so that counts as executive experience.

But, but, but….

He was probably treasurer of the Choom Gang in high school…
aka drug dealer

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Had the same impression myself. The boytoy used to post but I didn’t notice any of the misspellings that usually accompanied his posts.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM

It finally learned to use spell check…………….

VegasRick on May 19, 2014 at 12:21 PM

conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeorgan on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

…so you admit……..she’s ugly?

KOOLAID2 on May 19, 2014 at 12:22 PM

That list of experience for past presidents earlier tweaked my interest. The list compared Lincoln to Obama as Lincoln having no executive experience. I recalled that Lincoln practiced law in Illinois. It should also be noted that Lincoln educated himself. Well enough to pass the bar in Illinois too. From all accounts a very successful lawyer. He was also a Captain in the Illinois militia, postmaster in New Salem and worked as a surveyor. All in all a fairly impressive resume’. Better, I’d say by far than either JFK or BHO. Showed great perseverance and initiative not born to any wealth or position and certainly no affirmative action perks.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 12:13 PM

It was a quick and dirty list that looked at mostly only executive experience on the federal level that I got from Wikipedia. Lincoln was obviously a superior individual in every conceivable way compared to Obama.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 12:23 PM

I suspect the handle gets passed around an apartment a basement dwelling

rogerb on May 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

FIFY

Shy Guy on May 19, 2014 at 12:23 PM

I suspect the handle gets passed around an apartment or between teachers’ assistants.

rogerb on May 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

I’m pretty sure that’s not the only thing that gets “passed around”.

VegasRick on May 19, 2014 at 12:24 PM

I’m fairly sure this is a new LFOD. His style has changed since he left for good this last time once again.

rogerb on May 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Had the same impression myself. The boytoy used to post but I didn’t notice any of the misspellings that usually accompanied his posts.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 12:18 PM

They’re like faceless sparring partners to me. Some of them are washed up bums, only good for warming up. Some of them are up-and-comers, and you can use them to sharpen your technique.

LFOD seems to be going through the motions these days. I can see him spending his nights around a barrel fire, tossing in scraps of wood to keep warm, taking a sip of sterno with his street pals, muttering, “I was a professor once. Ivy League. Transgendered chemistry. Then I was defunded to make way for…the homophobes in the nanotechnology department.”

dreadnought62 on May 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Lugar, the pig, supports this liar sow.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants…
libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Well, if Dems are prepared to have Frau Pantsuit as their standard bearer, they ain’t interested in beauty…

JohnGalt23 on May 19, 2014 at 12:30 PM

It was a quick and dirty list that looked at mostly only executive experience on the federal level that I got from Wikipedia. Lincoln was obviously a superior individual in every conceivable way compared to Obama.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 12:23 PM

No problem. It was just that the blank after his name looked a little odd to me. libby’s answer to your post was utterly stupid too by the way. Just shows he has no concept of what constitutes experience in general, much less executive experience. It appeared to me that the two least qualified presidents that we’ve had are Kennedy and Obama.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM

No problem. It was just that the blank after his name looked a little odd to me. libby’s answer to your post was utterly stupid too by the way. Just shows he has no concept of what constitutes experience in general, much less executive experience. It appeared to me that the two least qualified presidents that we’ve had are Kennedy and Obama.

Oldnuke on May 19, 2014 at 12:31 PM

He also thought minister meant preacher in that list…

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 12:33 PM

I live in Georgia. I saw a commercial for Nunn where she never even mentions that she’s a Democrat. And she talks about how the ‘people in DC’ get everything wrong. Hello?????

Bet on May 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM

The Real question to Dems is”Will you vote for Harry Reid? That alone says it ALL!

SayNo2-O on May 19, 2014 at 12:40 PM

libfree, give it up. Obama 2008 was absolutely the beauty pageant candidate. Young, attractive, great smile, cool logo, arty posters, slick website design, hipster bands at campaign rallies, planted fainters, etc. I can’t stand him or any of it and I thought it was creepy as hell as well as laughably substanceless, but the media and Dem voters were all swooning. He was a cult phenomenon. He was the Lightbringer.

Compared to rusty, crotchety old McCain, who at least represented experience and service to one’s country, especially.

Liberals are far more likely to fall for the beauty pageant popularity contest. Otherwise Mr. No Resume First Term Senate Backbencher would have never had a chance against the Clinton machine.

Missy on May 19, 2014 at 12:54 PM

The Real question to Dems is:

“Will you vote for Harry Reid?”

That alone says it ALL!

SayNo2-O on May 19, 2014 at 12:40 PM

Yes!

I would like to see these Democrat Senatorial candidates asked that question.

ITguy on May 19, 2014 at 12:55 PM

He was probably treasurer of the Choom Gang in high school…

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Actually, he was the “treasurer” of his Choom Gang. He would get some weed from his Communist dope fiend mentor meant for him and his buddies, and then he would not share it with his buddies. I recall this being revealed by a woman who, as a high school girl, was his friend.

Some things never change.

NOMOBO on May 19, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Such an avoidance of giving a simple yes or no on such an important, controversial issue should be taken as a YES.

SC.Charlie on May 19, 2014 at 12:58 PM

“I’ll be happy to answer that question in more detail once the election is over.”

Bishop on May 19, 2014 at 10:04 AM

“You have to vote for me to find out how I will vote.”

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 19, 2014 at 1:01 PM

Total fail. Just say you would’ve voted for it and be done.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:07 AM

It’s almost like she’s afraid to say it……..

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 19, 2014 at 1:02 PM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Oh please.

People solely voted for Obama because he’s black.

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Oh you’re one of those idiots who thinks “race” is exclusively defined by a certain aesthetic. Even though Lupita Nyongo and Mya Rudolph are the same race. Next.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM

‘I voted for Obama because he’s black’: Extraordinary outburst from Samuel L. Jackson

sentinelrules on May 19, 2014 at 10:33 AM

You’re slower than usual today. I didn’t say there weren’t people who voted for Obama because he’s black. I said that judging a woman based upon a certain standard of beauty is totally different than voting for someone because of their race. Because race is more than an aesthetic. Do you now know what aesthetic means?

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Apparently “aesthetic” is now liberal-speak for “liberals are incapable of staying on topic.”

casuist on May 19, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Ha! And we’re supposed to pretend that the deification movie-icon Reagan, who had a wonderful voice, and who spent like a drunken sailor throughout his Administration, is somehow evidence of conservatives putting principles above iconography? Child, please.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Confirmed.

It takes a real idiot to suggest Reagan is an example of a conservative with no principles.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 19, 2014 at 1:15 PM

She looks like Lenin’s daughter.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 1:25 PM

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:00 AM

Washington – Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army
Adams – Vice President, Minister
Jefferson – Vice President, Governor, Secretary of State, Minister
Madison – Secretary of State
Monroe – Governor, Secretary of State, Minister, Major
Adams – Minister, Secretary of State
Jackson – Governor, Colonel, Major General
Van Buren – Attorney General, Governor, Secretary of State, Minister
Harrison – Secretary of the Northwest Territory, Governor, Minister, Major General
Tyler – Governor, Vice President
Polk – Governor
Taylor – Major General
Fillmore – Comptroller of New York, Vice President
Pierce – Brigadier General
Buchanan – Minister, Secretary of State
Lincoln –
Johnson – Governor, Vice President
Grant – General of the Army
Hayes – Governor, Brevet Major General
Garfield – Major General
Arthur – Collector of the Port of New York, Vice President, Brigadier General
Cleveland – Mayor, Governor
Harrison – Brigadier General
McKinley – Governor, Brevet Major
Roosevelt – Assistant Secretary of the Navy, Governor, Vice President, Colonel
Taft – Governor-General of the Philippines, Secretary of War, Provisional Governor of Cuba
Wilson – President of Princeton University, Governor
Harding – Lieutenant Governor
Coolidge – Mayor, Lieutenant Governor, Governor, Vice President
Hoover – Secretary of Commerce
Roosevelt – Assistant Secretary of the Navy, Governor
Truman – Vice President, Major
Eisenhower – President of Columbia University, Plethora of Military Commands, General of the Army
Kennedy – Lieutenant
Johnson – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander
Nixon – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander
Ford – Vice President, Lieutenant Commander (I see a trend here)
Carter – Governor, Lieutenant
Reagan – Governor, Captain
Bush – Ambassador to the United Nations, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Chairman of the Republican National Committee, Director of Central Intelligence, Vice President, Lieutenant
Clinton – Attorney General, Governor
Bush – Governor, First Lieutenant
Obama -

So there you have. Obama is only our second president with zero executive experience in public service beforehand. So if many equals one, then yes, Obama is like many of our past presidents with zero executive experience.

NotCoach on October 30, 2013 at 9:49 AM

That’s a very interesting list. The weakest executive experience (outside of Lincoln and Obama) seems to be Harding (Lieutenant Governor) and Kennedy. Contrary to the media hype of ‘Camelot,’ Kennedy got off to a very bad start as president, leading almost directly to the Cuban Missile Crisis and Bay of Pigs invasion. Our relations with Cuba have been a disaster ever since.

Harding’s administration was notoriously corrupt, although he personally didn’t seem to be corrupt, and that may also be attributable to his lack of executie experience.

NotCoach on May 19, 2014 at 11:04 AM

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 19, 2014 at 1:26 PM

Architect is used as a verb the same way that lawyer is used as a verb.

That doesn’t make it right.

steebo77 on May 19, 2014 at 1:29 PM

I’m sorry is this some weird conservative ploy where you try and suggest that because Obama has a white mother he is not “black?” As if this county has *ever* acknowledged in any legal form “mixed” race people. American racial categories are becoming somewhat more fluid now, very, very incrementally. But for *all* of our pre-21st century history, the racial system was this insane “one drop” thing. No matter how much white ancestry a person had, if you had “one drop” of non-white or black “blood,” then according to the U.S. census, the law and all other possible categories recognized you as black or some kind of “non-white.” This is not up for debate.

So yes, Obama’s race is “black,” because that is the category the United States created for humans who who have any perceptible sub-saharan African ancestry. It is also a category that a host of people with that ancestry happily and joyously identify with, despite the ongoing stigmas associated with “being” black.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM

It looks to me more like some liberal ‘bob-and-weave’ to avoid answering a simple question.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 19, 2014 at 1:29 PM

So yes, Obama’s race is “black,” because that is the category the United States created for humans who who have any perceptible sub-saharan African ancestry. It is also a category that a host of people with that ancestry happily and joyously identify with, despite the ongoing stigmas associated with “being” black.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Thank you. Been saying forever that he’s not an African-American, my aversion to hyphenated idiots, aside.

Btw, he is half-black, and the 2nd somewhat black preezie, Clinton having been the first one.

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Maybe part of the disconnect in American politics is that conservatives think elections are beauty pageants and the rest of us recognize them as (a corrupt and inadequate) competition of ideas.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 10:24 AM

That must be why your Democrat Party is so fearful of honestly-run elections, and so fearful of elections that will require photo ID to vote.

A+

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2014 at 1:33 PM

If you don’t think being an officer in any of the military branches qualifies as executive experience…you truly are an imbecile…

HumpbotSalvation

Amen to that.

Hell, a Cpl leading a Marine Corps fire team is making executive life or death decisions, less mind the SNCO’s responsible for them.

But Obama had…again, what?

tree hugging sister on May 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM

I’m sorry is this some weird conservative ploy where you try and suggest that because Obama has a white mother he is not “black?” As if this county has *ever* acknowledged in any legal form “mixed” race people. American racial categories are becoming somewhat more fluid now, very, very incrementally. But for *all* of our pre-21st century history, the racial system was this insane “one drop” thing. No matter how much white ancestry a person had, if you had “one drop” of non-white or black “blood,” then according to the U.S. census, the law and all other possible categories recognized you as black or some kind of “non-white.” This is not up for debate.

So yes, Obama’s race is “black,” because that is the category the United States created for humans who who have any perceptible sub-saharan African ancestry. It is also a category that a host of people with that ancestry happily and joyously identify with, despite the ongoing stigmas associated with “being” black.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM

First of all, the only reason O’bama’s race is “black” is because he chose to ignore 50% of his genetic makeup. He has admitted so in his writings and in his speeches.

Just curious-if O’bama’s father had been white and it was his mother who was black, would he still identify himself as black?

And before answering, remember that legendary Jamaican musician Bob Marley was widely considered to be white in Jamaica, solely because his father was a white British military officer. He even used shoe polish on his hair to make him look more “African” growing up.

Del Dolemonte on May 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM

LFOD seems to be going through the motions these days. I can see him spending his nights around a barrel fire, tossing in scraps of wood to keep warm, taking a sip of sterno with his street pals, muttering, “I was a professor once. Ivy League. Transgendered chemistry. Then I was defunded to make way for…the homophobes in the nanotechnology department.”

dreadnought62 on May 19, 2014 at 12:27 PM

LOL! The funniest post (IMHO) of a very funny thread.

And, yes, Nunn is unsightly, that is, physically repulsive. She’s other things, too–*TRIGGER WARNING* some of them bad (don’t faint, brainfreeorlie)–but the most noticeable thing about her at the outset is her homely appearance.

MisterElephant on May 19, 2014 at 1:46 PM

but the most noticeable thing about her at the outset is her homely appearance.

MisterElephant on May 19, 2014 at 1:46 PM

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 1:56 PM

…I’m sorry is this some weird conservative ploy where you try and suggest that because Obama has a white mother he is not “black?” As if this county has *ever* acknowledged in any legal form “mixed” race people. American racial categories are becoming somewhat more fluid now, very, very incrementally. But for *all* of our pre-21st century history, the racial system was this insane “one drop” thing. No matter how much white ancestry a person had, if you had “one drop” of non-white or black “blood,” then according to the U.S. census, the law and all other possible categories recognized you as black or some kind of “non-white.” This is not up for debate.

So yes, Obama’s race is “black,” because that is the category the United States created for humans who who have any perceptible sub-saharan African ancestry. It is also a category that a host of people with that ancestry happily and joyously identify with, despite the ongoing stigmas associated with “being” black.

libfreeordie on May 19, 2014 at 11:09 AM

The ‘one-drop’ nonsense is ancient history. It IS however enforced by the black grievance industry, and God forbid they find anyone in America that has less than a quarter-black in them that identifies as white. They will be attacked mercilessly.

The black grievance industry also welcomes the one-drop rule for themselves, so they can claim the black affirmative action privilege that they can ride all the way from K-12 into their choice of political office, perfesserships, technical, management, and executive positions.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2014 at 2:04 PM

Gheeez! I could have answered the question better than Michele Nunn. Come on, Michele, your daddy is Sam Nunn, famous Demcrat Senator of the last generation. Democrats are supposed to be expert at misdirection, misleading, and outright lying.

It just goes to show that all Michele has going for her is her name. She is nowhere near as sharp as her daddy, or anybody in the race in Georgia.

koolbob on May 19, 2014 at 2:11 PM

Open letter to Nunn:

“1958 called. It wants its hairstyle back”

BobMbx on May 19, 2014 at 2:14 PM

I live in Georgia. I saw a commercial for Nunn where she never even mentions that she’s a Democrat. And she talks about how the ‘people in DC’ get everything wrong. Hello?????

Bet on May 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM

Greetings fellow Georgian!

Even the other three Democrat candidates busted on her for not putting that she’s a Dem in her ads.

On a similar note, I watched some of the Republican candidates debate and the majority of them made me want to throw up. Will be interesting to see the results tomorrow night, and who will be in the presumed runoff.

Brat on May 19, 2014 at 2:17 PM

For some reason we keep thinking that Democrat voters behave intelligently or expectedly.

They don’t.

Don’t presume that her ‘bad answer’ will hurt in at all.

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 2:19 PM

LOL…She is really ugly like all the rest of the libturd women.

This is my first post ever to get such a funny debate going.

Going to have a celebratory drink tonight after work!

txdoc on May 19, 2014 at 2:47 PM

OT Just for liblikeaslave

Schadenfreude on May 19, 2014 at 3:03 PM

libfreeordie

*sigh*

Will no one rid us of this troublesome f*ckwit?

Midas on May 19, 2014 at 3:34 PM

LMFAO that libfree accuses the right of viewing elections as beauty pageants or popularity contests. For all intents and purposes, Obama beat McCain and Romney because he looked better in the swimsuit competition. It’s the Democratic base that is largely ignorant of this country’s politics and history, and so largely voting based on superficialities.

TarasBulbous on May 19, 2014 at 3:45 PM

suffocate under it harlot.

Murphy9 on May 19, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Architect is used as a verb the same way that lawyer is used as a verb. That doesn’t make it right. steebo77 on May 19, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Of course it does. What matters in English is word placement within the sentence, so you can engineer it however you want.

“Language is more fashion than science, and matters of usage, spelling, and pronunciation tend to wander around like hemlines.” –Bill Bryson, author (b. 1951)

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 4:46 PM

It is my opinion that the question was essentially pointless, and the proper political answer would be, “I don’t know, and I won’t get to vote on it in the next Senate term anyway. Why don’t you ask me my opinion on the Dred Scott decision next?”

There is no political advantage to kicking a hornets’ nest when you don’t have to.

A much more useful question would have been, “What changes do you think should be made to Obamacare?”

If she answered, “None,” she’s a doctrinaire Obamabot, and we already have enough of them in Congress. Too many, actually.

If she says, “It should be repealed,” she’s a Republican and is running in the wrong primary.

If she lists things to be changed in Obamacare, then that list should be carefully considered by the voters.

wagnert in atlanta on May 19, 2014 at 5:22 PM

After months on the campaign trail, this is the best Nunn can do?

Yes. Because that was a canned answer. She obviously thought it was clever, and she was eager to spring her prepared response.

David Blue on May 19, 2014 at 5:59 PM

I liked Sam Nunn. She is not Sam Nunn.

SC.Charlie on May 19, 2014 at 10:23 PM

I knew Sam Nunn, and you are not Sam Nunn. GA is not going to vote for a Dem this cycle.

I am not a racist on May 19, 2014 at 11:36 PM

If she lists things to be changed in Obamacare, then that list should be carefully considered by the voters. – wagnert in atlanta on May 19, 2014 at 5:22 PM

I respectfully disagree with you. As much as I detest almost all politicians these days, the Senate needs to be under the control of the Republicans.

SC.Charlie on May 20, 2014 at 7:41 AM

You pretended to ask a question about Obama’s race. And then when you didn’t get the answer you wanted, you got angry and recycled boring conservative talking points on this being a post-racial society that are as fresh as they are when segregationists used them to oppose civil rights.

liveasaslaveanddie

Not all democrats were segregationists, but all segregationists were and are democrats. I hope the subject you “teach” isn’t history.

runawayyyy on May 20, 2014 at 8:53 AM

If she lists things to be changed in Obamacare, then that list should be carefully considered by the voters. – wagnert in atlanta on May 19, 2014 at 5:22 PM

Sorry, but I don’t trust her or any democrat (and very few republicans). The only thing she will do in DC is follow orders direct from Harry Reid.

Bet on May 20, 2014 at 11:16 AM

A proper makeover and she would look as good as a lot of these ladies. I have to admit though that when I first saw the article I thought it was some criticism of an actual nun, given the blouse and hairdo.

claudius on May 20, 2014 at 3:22 PM

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