Most negative presidential trait, according to the public: Atheism, of course

posted at 8:01 pm on May 19, 2014 by Allahpundit

Not the most negative conceivable trait, of course, just the most negative trait that a major candidate might plausibly have. Obviously, being an axe-murderer would hurt your chances at the White House more than atheism would. I think?

Atheism’s been at the bottom of the barrel of these polls for years now. I just like blogging them because I like to grumble, especially when “The Walking Dead” is on hiatus and I’m deprived of my natural outlet.

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Tough stuff — although, while it might not look it, atheism is less of a liability than it used to be. Gallup ran its own poll on presidential traits two years ago and found an interesting trend towards acceptance of the godless. People won’t vote for an atheist happily, but increasingly, they will vote for one:

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I took that as a hopeful sign when I blogged it at the time, but now that I look again, yeesh. A mere 14-point increase over 34 years? No wonder Obama hasn’t come clean yet.

But never mind all that. The Pew poll responsible for today’s atheism tidbit covers a lot of ground and has some verrrry interesting data bearing on 2016. Look again at the first table above and compare the number who say being a governor is a positive trait to the number who say Washington experience is. See now why Bush, Christie, and Walker are all thinking so intently about getting in? Another figure from the same poll is even more striking. In 1987, when people were asked whether being a member of Congress or being a governor was better preparation for the presidency, 66 percent said the former versus just 22 percent who said the latter. That gap’s been narrowing ever since, to the point where the two are now treated by equal numbers as the better qualification — 44 percent apiece in today’s poll.

The identity-politics nuances are interesting too. Thirty-five percent of Latinos say they’d be more willing to support a Latino candidate, which helps explain why Julian Castro is suddenly in line for a cabinet position. And note this one:

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You already knew that lefties are in “it’s time” mode when it comes to electing the first woman president, but this shows the magnitude of Hillary’s pioneer appeal. See now why economic populism isn’t going to make Jim Webb viable in a Democratic primary against her? She couldn’t checkmate Obama with her break-the-glass-ceiling message in 2008 because the novelty of his candidacy was even more profound than hers. In 2016, though, unless another woman challenges her, the First Woman President brand is going to be all the lefty cred she realistically needs to keep liberals off her back in a primary and at the polls in the general.


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Atheists often strike me as cold and self-superior.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Hey Mazer9, why do all these hicks who want to save those Nigerian kids care?

WryTrvllr on May 19, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Atheists often strike me as cold and self-superior.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:02 PM

You need to expand your horizon and your atheist contact list. for every atheist that think they have all the answers, there are 5 that are evangelical about their lack of belief in God.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Atheists often strike me as cold and self-superior.

bluegill on May 19, 2014 at 8:02 PM

You need to expand your horizon and your atheist contact list. for every atheist that think they have all the answers, there are 5 that are evangelical about their lack of belief in God.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:05 PM

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:06 PM

You were right the first time.

corona79 on May 19, 2014 at 8:07 PM

heh

BoxHead1 on May 19, 2014 at 8:11 PM

We keep electing people who believe in talking burning bushes to run the country and yet people blame atheists for the state the country is in.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:12 PM

I don’t necessarily care the faith of a candidate as long as they have one; which grounds them. I voted for Romney and my denomiation (as does most of Christianity) considers the LDS a cult.

One of my faults with Obama is that he may be a Muslim or Christian but he practices neither faith. He spent decades in a racist anti-Semetic church but mostly because if you want to do politics in South Chicago you find the biggest blackest church you can find and that was Trinity UCC. Since coming to Washington the Obama family has rarely even attended worship services and when they do they bring the media with them. I don’t so much care other than the fact the filthy brats are being raised without any faith to ground them after they no longer matter to the world.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Obviously, being an axe-murderer would hurt your chances at the White House more than atheism would. I think?

You would think? But so many people actually have no idea what atheism is, it is mind boggling. A lot of Christians actually think atheism IS the same satanism. lol

Atheist groups putting ads on buses telling people God is not real, should spend the money actually explaining no belief in religion is not the same as worshiping Satan.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Was that a reference to the “War on Women”? One can never be sure.

WryTrvllr on May 19, 2014 at 8:17 PM

I for one, could vote for an atheist – for Hell’s gatekeeper.

vnvet on May 19, 2014 at 8:17 PM

What!!!! Hilary gets only 40% more likely with Liberal women?

That’s it???? I would have thought she would have been in better shape than that!

Sistah Powah!!

lineholder on May 19, 2014 at 8:18 PM

We keep electing people who believe in talking burning bushes to run the country and yet people blame atheists for the state the country is in.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:12 PM

People who believe in talking burning bushes are more tolerant than atheists. I trust them more than I do people who erect crucified santa’s on the lawn of courthouses as some sort of form of protest of Christianity.

IF GOD IS YOUR CO-PILOT, CHANGE SEATS!!!

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:20 PM

You already knew that lefties are in “it’s time” mode when it comes to electing the first woman president, but this shows the magnitude of Hillary’s pioneer appeal
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Ya,….the Libs/MSM are, in circling their wagons mode for HilRod!!

canopfor on May 19, 2014 at 8:23 PM

That’s understandable.

It’s hard to trust people who don’t trust.

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 8:25 PM

See now why economic populism isn’t going to make Jim Webb viable in a Democratic primary against her?
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Webb will be tossed under the campaign bus,

and Julian Castro will be driving it, for VP!!

canopfor on May 19, 2014 at 8:26 PM

People who believe in talking burning bushes are more tolerant than atheists. I trust them more than I do people who erect crucified santa’s on the lawn of courthouses as some sort of form of protest of Christianity.

IF GOD IS YOUR CO-PILOT, CHANGE SEATS!!!

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:20 PM

So you base your idea of what Atheists are like base on what you choose to see. It’s like basing my idea of what Republicans are like after watching cliven bundy. Or making up my mind on Christianity after reading about the crusades, and getting harassed by the guy standing by the corner yelling we are all going to hell, if we don’t repent NOW in front of him.

Take it from me, most atheist have no desire to convert and evangelize anyone. They want to be left alone.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:27 PM

That’s understandable.

It’s hard to trust people who don’t trust.

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Bigbullets: Good point,..Verify and Trust!:)

canopfor on May 19, 2014 at 8:27 PM

People who believe in talking burning bushes are more tolerant than atheists. I trust them more than I do people who erect crucified santa’s on the lawn of courthouses as some sort of form of protest of Christianity.

IF GOD IS YOUR CO-PILOT, CHANGE SEATS!!!

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:20 PM

So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Why is there a picture of Baphomet on an article about atheism?

son of a preacher man on May 19, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Take it from me, most atheist have no desire to convert and evangelize anyone. They want to be left alone.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Bullshit. Atheists are about the most intolerant bigots in our society. They will not be happy until all vestiges of Christianity are driven out of society and housed in churches. And even then they will demand that those of faith “marry” sodomites at the very altars that Christians deem sacred.

That Santa crucified nativity display says all that needs to be said about atheists and their beliefs.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Anyone who truly professes to be an atheist would logically end their own life asap.

Why? Because pain, suffering, and death are inevitable in this life. And “happiness” has no deeper relevance than the fading smell of decomposing dog feces on a crumbling sidewalk.

And if you do not recognize that reality – then your lack of introspection is only superseded by the self-delusion of your lies.

“The worst moment for an atheist is when he feels a profound sense of gratitude and has no one to thank.” – G.K.Chesterton

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 8:34 PM

Having been force-raised Catholic, starting the day I moved out I was an Atheist, forever and ever Amen (Reflex!).

Tard on May 19, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own
denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfils the Will of God and does not allow God’s handiwork to be debased. For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God’s Creation and God’s Will.

Does this sound like a guy you would vote for?

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:32 PM

You’re a worthless, bitter, half-baked ass. And a sh**-talker to boot.

M240H on May 19, 2014 at 8:35 PM

The atheists I know (quite a few, actually) consider me an idiot for saying that the existence of God can be neither proven nor disproven scientifically. Therefore, their claim to have scientifically “concluded” that God does not exist is one that cannot be confirmed experimentally.

I also infuriate Christians because, when they expound upon their visualization of God, I suggest that His true nature may be unknowable to our limited consciousness.

(Rather like the joke that comedian Dave Allen used to tell about the little fellow who actually met God. When asked what He was like, the chap replied, “She’s black”.)

By comparison, I get along just fine with Buddhists, Wiccans, various sorts of pagans, and etc. Most of whom are surprised to find out I’m technically a Methodist.

As for The One, I’m sorry to state, but he is neither Christian, Muslim, or atheist.

Because he’s too busy worshiping himself in every mirror he passes by.

clear ether

eon

eon on May 19, 2014 at 8:36 PM

So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

You almost had it! lol

So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying.

That last part brought down the grade to a B+. lol You gave Happy a reason to come back and think that by not believing in Jesus, you are challenging his/her character for choosing to do so. You gave the person a reason to rationalize already held believe, and ignore the strong point you made about Christians being imperfect beings.

Carry on!

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM

So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Last witch burned at the stake was when?

The latest finding from the inquisition was when?

And as to the sheltering of pedophiles is a fault of a particular denomination. Don’t indict all of Christianity for that.

But, of course, you don’t want to really do anything but attack Christians. Go to Hell. Which, of course, is your final destination anyway.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Why is there a picture of Baphomet on an article about atheism?

son of a preacher man on May 19, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Because there is no metaphysical vacuum in profound ignorance.

Evil always fills the spiritual void.

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM

You were right the first time. corona79 on May 19, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Post of the day!

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Interesting polls…

(1) I don’t think being Hispanic has the same emotional pull or novelty of being African-American does due to historical reasons. Also not all Latinos come from the same place, I am not sure the last name of Castro will be a winner in parts of Florida, and from what I gather being of Mexican decent is not exactly a winner if you come from Central America…considering the treatment experienced at the Mexican border compared to the U.S. border.

(2) Same goes with old fussy white women…hence why I like them from Japan. All the GOP needs to do is make Hillary into every man’s ex-wife or make her into every woman’s angry mother-in-law…

Alas the GOP is not capable of such cruel, vicious attacks…so get ready for “Sitzkrieg 2016″…a festival of nice clean cut ads of wholesome nothingness…

William Eaton on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM

So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Usually I let this stuff past because everyone is entitled to their opinion, but get real dude. Man(kind) is an imperfect creature. People gravitate to religion for a variety of reasons, not all of them healthy either.

Back then the Church was an entity that rivaled or exceeded government’s ability to provide a power structure. Easy to see why power hungry people would gravitate towards the Church as a means to extend power over people.

Church (at its best) is not a museum for saints, but a hospital for sinners. People still bring their issues with them into the pews. They’re still human.

307wolverine on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Anyone who truly professes to be an atheist would logically end their own life asap.

Why? Because pain, suffering, and death are inevitable in this life. And “happiness” has no deeper relevance than the fading smell of decomposing dog feces on a crumbling sidewalk.

And if you do not recognize that reality – then your lack of introspection is only superseded by the self-delusion of your lies.

“The worst moment for an atheist is when he feels a profound sense of gratitude and has no one to thank.” – G.K.Chesterton

This quote tells us more about the nihilism of G.K. Chesterton than it does about anyone else. Happiness needs no justification or meaning. He or she sounds like a truly miserable wretch.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:38 PM

What proportion of the 2% who said having an extramarital affair makes them more likely to support do you think are currently Democrat politicians?

alchemist19 on May 19, 2014 at 8:40 PM

The take away from the last poll shown is that to a conservative being a woman does not matter. But to half of liberals it does matter. Independents and conservative could care less.

Grunt on May 19, 2014 at 8:41 PM

You’re a worthless, bitter, half-baked ass. And a sh**-talker to boot.

M240H on May 19, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Care to back that up with facts or, as I suspect, you can’t.

You are a typical leftist bullshitter. You hurl crap but can’t actually engage in a civil debate.

Go away, you clearly contribute nothing to society.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:41 PM

This quote tells us more about the nihilism of G.K. Chesterton than it does about anyone else. Happiness needs no justification or meaning. He or she sounds like a truly miserable wretch.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Chesterton – nihilism? You truly are ignorant aren’t you.

If happiness needs no justification or meaning then why not kill for it? Or do any and every despicable thing you can to achieve it?

And why wait around for it?

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Church (at its best) is not a museum for saints, but a hospital for sinners. People still bring their issues with them into the pews. They’re still human.

307wolverine on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Most humans are not given a pass when it comes to genocide and pedophelia. Why do we expect less from the church than from anyone else.

The excesses of the church are a reflection of its true nature and why the founders wanted to keep it separate from government.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Not the most negative conceivable trait, of course, just the most negative trait that a major candidate might plausibly have. Obviously, being an axe-murderer would hurt your chances at the White House more than atheism would. I think?

Being a rapist didn’t seem to matter for Democratics, so I think they’d give a pass to an axe-murderer as well.

slickwillie2001 on May 19, 2014 at 8:43 PM

AGAIN. IF GOD IS YOUR CO-PILOT, CHANGE SEATS!!!!!!

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:43 PM

What, no Game of Thrones for you AP? My DTs were more severe with Vikings finale than Walking Dead, as much as I love the latter…so glad GoTs return overlapped a bit. You definitely need a new outlet. Regardless, *hugs for atheists*…I don’t discriminate. :D

Bee on May 19, 2014 at 8:43 PM

So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying. Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Wow, Christians are imperfect. Who knew!

For every atrocity committed by such people, there are a million victims of atheists, pagans, and anti-Christs like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Tojo, etc. You know this but you could care less.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 8:44 PM

People who believe in talking burning bushes are more tolerant than atheists. I trust them more than I do people who erect crucified santa’s on the lawn of courthouses as some sort of form of protest of Christianity.

IF GOD IS YOUR CO-PILOT, CHANGE SEATS!!!

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:20 PM

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So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

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Every ‘demographic’ has a percentage of paranoid idiots, and Christianity is no exception.

The vast majority of Christian believers did NOT burn witches at the stake, participate in or otherwise endorse the Spanish Inquisition, or “shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy.”

The fact that you would advance that premise, gives us more clarification about yourself.

listens2glenn on May 19, 2014 at 8:46 PM

Last witch burned at the stake was when?

The latest finding from the inquisition was when?

And as to the sheltering of pedophiles is a fault of a particular denomination. Don’t indict all of Christianity for that.

But, of course, you don’t want to really do anything but attack Christians. Go to Hell. Which, of course, is your final destination anyway.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:37 PM

What is the statute of limitations on burning people at the stake? What is the statute of limitations for genocide?

No it’s not just one branch of Christianity sheltering pedophiles. It’s just one that got the publicity.

If pointing out the history of Christianity is an “attack”, what does that say about Christianity?

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM

I have never met a happy atheist. EVER. And yes, I know a lot of them. Lots who pretend to be happy, some who are smug and arrogant, some who are bitter and vicious, but truly happy, no, not a single one. They have a hole in their life, and they know it, even if they don’t admit it to themselves.

Doc Holliday on May 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Wow, Christians are imperfect. Who knew!

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Christians.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:51 PM

Most humans are not given a pass when it comes to genocide and pedophelia. Why do we expect less from the church than from anyone else.

Who gave them a pass? Perhaps you missed all of the lawsuits and out-of-court settlements?

Do you apply the same standards to atheists that you do to SOME of the Church goers? Just curious.

The excesses of the church are a reflection of its true nature and why the founders wanted to keep it separate from government.

Your history is just a tad off. The Founders wanted to avoid an American version of the Church of England where temporal and spiritual power concentrated in the same hands. They were suspicious of power and wanted to limit it.

Please stop with this revisionist history. You’re just an angry person. I’m sorry God didn’t give you a pony for Christmas.

307wolverine on May 19, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Most humans are not given a pass when it comes to genocide and pedophelia. Why do we expect less from the church than from anyone else.

The excesses of the church are a reflection of its true nature and why the founders wanted to keep it separate from government.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Congressman Gerry Studds

WryTrvllr on May 19, 2014 at 8:52 PM

So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

That’s interesting coming from someone who advocates atheism: the philosophical basis of Communism, which has been responsible more death and destruction than all the wars throughout human history combined.

Well played.

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 8:52 PM

The excesses of the church are a reflection of its true nature and why the founders wanted to keep it separate from government. Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:42 PM

And Stalin and Mao are obviously Exhibits A & B for how atheists rule their fellow man.

“The real object of the amendment was, not to countenance, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity, by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment, which should give to an hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government. It thus cut off the means of religious persecution, (the vice and pest of former ages,) and of the subversion of the rights of conscience in matters of religion, which had been trampled upon almost from the days of the Apostles to the present age…

“Thus, the whole power over the subject of religion is left exclusively to the state governments, to be acted upon according to their own sense of justice, and the state constitutions; and the Catholic and the Protestant, the Calvinist and the Arminian, the Jew and the Infidel, may sit down at the common table of the national councils, without any inquisition into their faith, or mode of worship.” -Joseph Story, Supreme Court Justice 1811-1845

Story had no problem with infidels having all the rights of other citizens. It’s really too bad that infidels feel no obligation to return the favor; or to do anything else but throw poo from the sidelines when not in power, and to murder their adversaries by the millions when they wrest it from rational men.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 8:53 PM

Every ‘demographic’ has a percentage of paranoid idiots, and Christianity is no exception.

listens2glenn on May 19, 2014 at 8:46 PM

I hear that argument about islam too. I didn’t think it was a valid argument. I guess it is. OK. So islam is a peaceful religion after all according to this argument.

The Inquisition? Dude! That was years ago!

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM

Clearly, you are not interested in a discussion. HA’s atheist loves folks like you who do nothing to further tolerance and simply condemns anybody who has faith.

Thankfully, even people like you were saved by Christ. There is still hope for you.

Happy Nomad on May 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Oh , hey. Cut it some slack. That was all in the name of equality!

WryTrvllr on May 19, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Ah yes, the petulant vacuousness of the atheist explained:

“No skeptical philosopher can ask any questions that may not equally be asked by a tired child on a hot afternoon.” – G.K.Chesterton

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Here ya go, folks going to jail for abusing kids. It took me five seconds to find it via a search engine. You could similar ones yourself, but if you did if would adversely affect your rant.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0724/Catholic-church-leader-sentenced-to-prison-for-cover-up-of-child-sex-abuse

307wolverine on May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM

What is the statute of limitations on burning people at the stake? What is the statute of limitations for genocide?

Genocide? Do tell.

No it’s not just one branch of Christianity sheltering pedophiles. It’s just one that got the publicity.

Why don’t you publicize the others here with all your evidence?

If pointing out the history of Christianity is an “attack”, what does that say about Christianity? Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:47 PM

History is one thing, lies are another. When was genocide the policy of any Church? When was the word “genocide” coined and by whom, to describe what? When and where was genocide practiced by any Church on a scale that warranted a word like genocide being coined?

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Who gave them a pass? Perhaps you missed all of the lawsuits and out-of-court settlements?

307wolverine on May 19, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Everyone who still trusts members of the clergy to be around their kids. Everyone who is still attending and supporting the pedophile protection rings disguised as churches.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM

We keep electing people who believe in talking burning bushes to run the country and yet people blame atheists for the state the country is in.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Maybe it’s because people keep seeing atheists making idiotic and insulting statements like this one.

malclave on May 19, 2014 at 8:58 PM

The atheists I know (quite a few, actually) consider me an idiot for saying that the existence of God can be neither proven nor disproven scientifically. Therefore, their claim to have scientifically “concluded” that God does not exist is one that cannot be confirmed experimentally.

I’m a Christian, and I don’t think you’re an idiot. You do have a point.

I also infuriate Christians because, when they expound upon their visualization of God, I suggest that His true nature may be unknowable to our limited consciousness.

You have another point, because God is the biggest eldritch abomination there is. Of course a deity that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent would be very difficult, if not impossible for us, to comprehend.

DevilishSoda on May 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM

I also infuriate Christians because, when they expound upon their visualization of God, I suggest that His true nature may be unknowable to our limited consciousness.

eon
eon on May 19, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Can’t resist pulling up G K Chesterton’s nugget whenever I hear something like that.

“It’s the height of arrogance to assume that one knows enough about the unknown to know that it is unknowable.”

Besides, reliable Testimony is still a legitimate source of knowledge.

Cleombrotus on May 19, 2014 at 8:59 PM

AP: Sexual Misconduct Plagues US Schools

So schools are evil.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Take it from me

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Why?

malclave on May 19, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Everyone who still trusts members of the clergy to be around their kids. Everyone who is still attending and supporting the pedophile protection rings disguised as churches. Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 9:00 PM

listens2glenn on May 19, 2014 at 8:46 PM

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I hear that argument about islam too. I didn’t think it was a valid argument. I guess it is. OK. So islam is a peaceful religion after all according to this argument.

The Inquisition? Dude! That was years ago!

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:54 PM

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listens2glenn on May 19, 2014 at 9:01 PM

That’s interesting coming from someone who advocates atheism: the philosophical basis of Communism, which has been responsible more death and destruction than all the wars throughout human history combined.

Well played.

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 8:52 PM

I guess today is “coolrepublica defends atheism against ridiculousness day.” lol

Listen, I don’t know what history books you have been reading, but you need to update. If you actually believe that more people died because of atheism than wars caused by religions throughout human history, than you need more than a book update, you need to go back to history class and PAY ATTENTION.

communism and atheism are not the same thing. They are not even distant cousins.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Disturbing tales of teachers sexually abusing students becoming everyday news across the nation

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 9:02 PM

History is one thing, lies are another. When was genocide the policy of any Church? When was the word “genocide” coined and by whom, to describe what? When and where was genocide practiced by any Church on a scale that warranted a word like genocide being coined?

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM

Seriously? Google the Inquisition. Google pogrom.

Maybe the reason a special word was not coined for business as usual for the Catholic church is because it was business as usual for the Catholic church. Dog bites man is not news.

Ah yes. The old Hitler was an atheist claim. Here he is in his own words:

Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own
denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfils the Will of God and does not allow God’s handiwork to be debased. For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God’s Creation and God’s Will.

Here he is in his own words on evolution:

From where do we get the right to believe, that from the very beginning Man was not what he is today? Looking at Nature tells us that in the realm of plants and animals changes and developments happen. But nowhere inside a kind shows such a development as the breadth of the jump, as Man must supposedly have made, if he has developed from an ape-like state to what he is today.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Everyone who still trusts members of the clergy to be around their kids. Everyone who is still attending and supporting the pedophile protection rings disguised as churches.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM

I am rapidly losing interest in the conversation, but I’ll leave you with one final thought….

How many politicians lie, steal, rape, murder, etc.? Do you still support government? Government is the world’s greatest mass murderer, but I’m willing to bet that you still support government.

Why the double standard?

I’ll let you stew in your hatred. I’m done.

307wolverine on May 19, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Why is there a picture of Baphomet on an article about atheism?

son of a preacher man on May 19, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Because there is no metaphysical vacuum in profound ignorance.

Evil always fills the spiritual void.

I understand that.

Let me rephrase my question:

Why would an atheist associate a picture of Baphomet on an article about atheism?

son of a preacher man on May 19, 2014 at 9:05 PM

who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

I suspect few people on this site would consider “teachers’ union official” to be an electoral resume enhancer.

malclave on May 19, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Seriously? Google the Inquisition. Google pogrom.

The Inquisition was a pimple on history’s butt compared to atheism’s wholesale slaughter of tens of millions in the last century genius.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 9:06 PM

So you trust the people who burn women at the stake for being witches, who gave us the inquisition, who shelter pedophiles as a matter of institutional policy, over people who who crucify a cartoon character. OK. Thanks for clarifying.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:28 PM

That’s interesting coming from someone who advocates atheism: the philosophical basis of Communism, which has been responsible more death and destruction than all the wars throughout human history combined.

Well played.

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 8:52 PM

I think it’s safe to say that Communism, Catholicism, and Islam have their fair share of atrocities.

And all are equally bad.

Non-Combat deaths –

Communism under Mao, Stalin, and Hitler – 70 million
Catholic Church – 50 million
Islam – 270 million

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Report suggests 10% of students abused – Fed study indicates sexual misconduct far worse than priest scandal

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Why would an atheist associate a picture of Baphomet on an article about atheism?

son of a preacher man on May 19, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Considering it’s Allahpundit, I suspect the answer is… clickbait.

malclave on May 19, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Catholic Church – 50 million
Islam – 270 million Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:06 PM

You’re a liar and a fool. Go hand out some Chick Tracts at Walmart.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Behold the rotten fruits of Atheism inflicted upon the human race:

“Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn (Nobel laureate, Orthodox Christian author, and Russian dissident, in his “Godlessness: the First Step to the Gulag” address, given when he received the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion on May of 1983)

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Everyone who still trusts members of the clergy to be around their kids. Everyone who is still attending and supporting the pedophile protection rings disguised as churches.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 8:57 PM

The hate is strong with this one.

He is very close to the dark side.

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Communism under Mao, Stalin, and Hitler – 70 million
Catholic Church – 50 million
Islam – 270 million

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Sources please.

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 9:09 PM

How many politicians lie, steal, rape, murder, etc.? Do you still support government? Government is the world’s greatest mass murderer, but I’m willing to bet that you still support government.

Why the double standard?

I’ll let you stew in your hatred. I’m done.

307wolverine on May 19, 2014 at 9:02 PM

I’m forced through taxation to support the government. Giving money to people who shelter pedophiles is voluntary.

So you lose your bet. I am not a fan of big government.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 9:09 PM

Take it from me

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Why?

malclave on May 19, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Because I am not allergic to atheists. I am able to talk to them without itching. Because I am immune to getting hives around them , I was able talk to them, get to know them, date some, and even marry one.

That’s why I know that most atheists are not 16 year old on reddit, ready to fight religion one key stroke at a time.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 9:11 PM

communism and atheism are not the same thing. They are not even distant cousins.

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 9:02 PM

I guess you’re more familiar with the relationship than this man. Eh?

“Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working on the history of our revolution; in the process I have read hundreds of books, collected hundreds of personal testimonies, and have already contributed eight volumes of my own toward the effort of clearing away the rubble left by that upheaval. But if I were asked today to formulate as concisely as possible the main cause of the ruinous revolution that swallowed up some 60 million of our people, I could not put it more accurately than to repeat: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.”

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn (Nobel laureate, Orthodox Christian author, and Russian dissident, in his “Godlessness: the First Step to the Gulag” address, given when he received the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion on May of 1983)

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Baphomet:

On my honor I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country
and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong,
mentally awake, and morally straight.

bour3 on May 19, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Satanism is not atheism Allah.

J.B. Say on May 19, 2014 at 9:12 PM

You’re a liar and a fool. Go hand out some Chick Tracts at Walmart.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Touched a nerve, did I?

The Catholic Church. So many defenders defending the indefensible.

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Go hand out some Chick Tracts at Walmart.

Akzed on May 19, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Don’t bother. I played Dungeons and Dragons for years, and I never got any real magic powers like Jack Chick promised I would.

malclave on May 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm

Still my favorite website Big.

WryTrvllr on May 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM

“…The truth is that Irreligion is the opium of the people. Wherever the people do not believe in something beyond the world, they will worship the world. But, above all, they will worship the strongest thing in the world. And, by the very nature of the Bolshevist and many other modern systems, as well as by the practical working of almost any system, the State will be strongest thing in the world. The whole tendency of men is to treat the solitary State as the solitary standard. That men may protest against law, it is necessary that they should believe in justice; that they may believe in justice beyond law, it is necessary that they should believe in a justice beyond the land of living men. You can impose the rule of the Bolshevist as you can impose the rule of the Bourbons; but it is equally an imposition. You can even make its subjects contented, as opium would make them contented. But if you are to have anything like divine discontent, then it must really be divine. Anything that really comes from below must really come from above.”

- G.K.Chesterton

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Sources please.

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 9:09 PM

On all of them, or just the one that bothers you?

How many sources would you like?

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:14 PM

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 9:11 PM

No, I mean why should we believe you?

malclave on May 19, 2014 at 9:14 PM

I don’t care what you believe in, but believe in something higher than humanity and life in general.

I simply don’t trust a person who believes in nothing. They’re pathetic.

Although I kinda draw the line at Islam. *shrug* Sorry, but I’ve read the Koran and the Suras. I have a problem with people who think it’s okay to kill anybody who isn’t Muslim.

sage0925 on May 19, 2014 at 9:14 PM

http://necrometrics.com/pre1700a.htm

Still my favorite website Big.

WryTrvllr on May 19, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Hello, my good friend.

Did you check out the Waldensians and the Anabapstists?

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:15 PM

On all of them, or just the one that bothers you?

How many sources would you like?

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:14 PM

All of them.

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 9:15 PM

- Alexander Solzhenitsyn (Nobel laureate, Orthodox Christian author, and Russian dissident, in his “Godlessness: the First Step to the Gulag” address, given when he received the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion on May of 1983)

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 9:11 PM

So this guy goes through the Russian revolution and thinks it’s because they’ve “forgotten God”? He didn’t notice the peasants starving and resorting to cannibalism? He didn’t notice the aristocracy and the church stealing from the peasants? He must have been aristocracy or clergy.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 9:16 PM

The hate is strong with this one.

He is very close to the dark side.

Bigbullets on May 19, 2014 at 9:09 PM

So being opposed to clergy raping children is hate now?

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 9:17 PM

No, I mean why should we believe you?

malclave on May 19, 2014 at 9:14 PM

No don’t believe me. Please don’t believe.

Instead believe the voice in your head that tells you that ALL atheists are out to get you, and spend their every waking moment thinking about how to destroy religion. Believe that voice instead.

Carry on!

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 9:20 PM

So this guy goes through the Russian revolution and thinks it’s because they’ve “forgotten God”? He didn’t notice the peasants starving and resorting to cannibalism? He didn’t notice the aristocracy and the church stealing from the peasants? He must have been aristocracy or clergy.

Dan_Yul on May 19, 2014 at 9:16 PM

So this “guy” (a Nobel prize winning author and gulag survivor who lost numerous family and friends) got it all wrong eh?

Augustinian on May 19, 2014 at 9:20 PM

No don’t believe me. Please don’t believe.

Instead believe the voice in your head that tells you that ALL atheists are out to get you, and spend their every waking moment thinking about how to destroy religion. Believe that voice instead.

Carry on!

coolrepublica on May 19, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Wow, you really slayed that strawman sister!

HumpBot Salvation on May 19, 2014 at 9:21 PM

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