Shocker: seven in ten favor voter ID laws

posted at 8:31 am on May 17, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Kentucky Senator and likely presidential hopeful Rand Paul recently had to walk back some of his previous assertions about the GOP annoying people over voter ID laws. In light of yet another round of national polling, he may want to tip toe a few more steps to the rear. While it may be true that voter ID laws are annoying some folks, it looks like it’s really only about 30% of them.

Seven in 10 registered voters are in favor of identification laws in order to root out fraud at the ballot box, according to a Fox News poll released this week.

The survey found majority support in every major demographic, including black voters and Democrats.

The 70 percent who support voter ID laws remains largely unchanged in the past few years. Another 27 percent believe the laws are unnecessary…

The survey found majorities of every demographic support the law. Ninety-one percent of Republicans offer support, and 66 percent of independents feel the same.

Fifty-five percent of Democrats support the laws, while 43 percent oppose them.

Opposition to the laws is highest among black respondents, but even there a bare majority, 51 percent, support them. Forty-six percent of African Americans oppose the laws.

The actual phrasing of the question was pretty straight forward and not hedged to favor one side or the other: “Supporters of these laws say they are necessary to stop ineligible people from voting illegally. Opponents say these laws are unnecessary and mostly discourage legal voters from voting. What do you think?”

Lest you think that some new wave of rational thought and consistency has suddenly ravaged the nation along with the MERS virus, respondents also coughed up some rather curious answers on related subjects. The full results of the poll may be found here. Given how wide the margin in favor is and how common the knowledge of which party supports it and which one opposes, it’s rather difficult to explain the response to a second question as to which party is doing a better job on the subject of immigration.

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In three years time, the margin as to who should handle immigration policy has flipped from a 42-32 edge for Republicans to a 44-36 margin in favor of Democrats. Really? You support voter ID laws, but a plurality think the Democrats “do a better job” on immigration?

It seems to me that we’ve been hearing a repeating pattern these last couple of years from not only the White House, but their Left swinging allies, that when a sufficient number of people support a particular thing, it’s a settled matter, and all of the naysayers should simply learn to accept the results, deal with their grief and find a way to move on. Does 70% not meet this critical threshold? If you are still opposing sensible voter ID laws to preserve ballot integrity, aren’t you in danger of landing on the wrong side of history?

It’s funny how this never seems to surface on the Sunday shows when the subject of Voter ID comes up. It’s even more amazing how it seems to be common knowledge that support for such legislation will doom the Republicans in 2016. Nothing is a given in politics, but 70% sure sounds like a fairly safe number in the electoral betting parlor to me.


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Racists!!!1!!11!!

JAGonzo on May 17, 2014 at 8:36 AM

Large majorities oppose any and all Democrat policies. No one watches their biased news coverage. And yet somehow, by some bizarre evil miracle, they keep getting elected.

Who in their right mind, given the past 6 years would vote Democrat? 2014 will be a key test – is America insane? If Democrats manage to maintain the Senate, running on nothing and against their own policies (this is what Obama did in 2012), then yes, America has passed the tipping point.

The voting majority is insane.

mitchellvii on May 17, 2014 at 8:37 AM

Obama will just declare a hand-written note “a valid Voter ID”. A pen and a phone, y’know.

Rix on May 17, 2014 at 8:38 AM

This is why Paul’s “we should just shut up,” because we might offend someone” doesn’t pass the smell test. The people who we might offend with voter I.D. are never going to vote for a GOP candidate ever, because they make up the perpetually aggrieved base of the Democratic party, and probably have the secret decoder ring and dog whistle to the Rainbow Push Coalition.

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 8:38 AM

While it may be true that voter ID laws are annoying some folks, it looks like it’s really only about 30% of them.

Hey, Rand Paul knows that the key to victory is being electable. That means spitting in your base’s face, especially when they’re in the vast majority, because liberty or something.

Stoic Patriot on May 17, 2014 at 8:40 AM

Only 70%? I thought it would be closer to 80%. Apparently, Eric Holder’s whining about voter I.D. is having some effect.

TarheelBen on May 17, 2014 at 8:43 AM

Kentucky Senator and likely presidential hopeful Rand Paul recently had to walk back some of his previous assertions about the GOP annoying people over voter ID laws.

Illustrates that these guys become out of touch with the people they are supposed to represent.

Vince on May 17, 2014 at 8:44 AM

You support voter ID laws, but a plurality think the Democrats “do a better job” on immigration?

The Senate passed amnesty back in 2013 with a bunch of GOP support. And unlike Boehner, the Democrats can at least make up their minds on the issue. So I’m not surprised to see them with the edge when the loudest voices in the GOP are shouting “Amnesty! Think of all the cheap labor we’ll have!”

Stoic Patriot on May 17, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Only 70%? I thought it would be closer to 80%. Apparently, Eric Holder’s whining about voter I.D. is having some effect.

TarheelBen on May 17, 2014 at 8:43 AM

It seems to me that 30% is pretty much reliable votes for dems, 30% for the Republicans and we fight for the rest.

Vince on May 17, 2014 at 8:46 AM

Only 70%? I thought it would be closer to 80%.

TarheelBen on May 17, 2014 at 8:43 AM

There’s some polling from a couple of months ago to back that up.

Stoic Patriot on May 17, 2014 at 8:48 AM

I’m offended by having to pay income taxes.

I’m not the only one. Lots of people are offended by having to pay income taxes. Paul should start lecturing about how income taxes offend people.

Dumbass

jaime on May 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM

‘Ninety-one percent of Republicans offer support’

?

bazil9 on May 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM

Ninety-one percent of Republicans offer support’

?

bazil9 on May 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM

What is even more telling is that a majority of black people support the laws, which makes Paul’s pandering even more absurd. Pi$$ off your base and go against the moderate position to get a group of people who actually support the law you think offends them.

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Forty-six percent of African Americans oppose the laws.

Wasn’t I being schooled by our resident blackolgist that “I don’t know a single black person against voter ID. It’s only the pastures and race baitors?”

When half are against them and you don’t know a single one . . .

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 8:57 AM

Rand Paul smacked upside the head by voter preferences…

workingclass artist on May 17, 2014 at 9:00 AM

In three years time, the margin as to who should handle immigration policy has flipped from a 42-32 edge for Republicans to a 44-36 margin in favor of Democrats. Really? You support voter ID laws, but a plurality think the Democrats “do a better job” on immigration?

What has the Republican party been doing in this time? They have been threatening to pass amnesty. When your ally stabs you in the back it is a far worse thing than to have your enemy do it from the front.

Remember the recent post on amnesty. If you elect us to a majority we will reward you with amnesty for illegals! Kind of hard to keep and hold support with that as you moral compass.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Hey, Rand Paul knows that the key to victory is being electable. That means spitting in your base’s face, especially when they’re in the vast majority, because liberty or something.

Stoic Patriot on May 17, 2014 at 8:40 AM

That’s how President McCain did it. That’s how President Romney did it. Who is Rand Paul to diverge from Republican tradition?

David Blue on May 17, 2014 at 9:03 AM

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 8:55 AM

Yep- a whole- lotta of stupid there.
I had high hopes for Rand to. He popped my balloon.

bazil9 on May 17, 2014 at 9:04 AM

Rand has one word for you people who support voter ID laws.

SHUT UP!-
Rand

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 9:04 AM

you guys just don’t want the blacks to vote!!

sorry, I’ve been gone awhile…been busy with work

nonpartisan on May 17, 2014 at 9:05 AM

Saying “Let’s tone down the Rhetoric but stick to the same policy” = Spitting in the face of your base.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM

Forty-six percent of African Americans oppose the laws.

Wasn’t I being schooled by our resident blackolgist that “I don’t know a single black person against voter ID. It’s only the pastures and race baitors?”

When half are against them and you don’t know a single one . . .

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 8:57 AM

LOL.

Don’t you mean 47%?

Not sure what your point is. Do you think Republicans should adopt all Democrat policies to attract these voters?

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 9:08 AM

If you’re against voter ID laws, you’re FOR fraud. Period.

conservative hispanic on May 17, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Saying “Let’s tone down the Rhetoric but stick to the same policy” = Spitting in the face of your base.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM

‘Tone down the rhetoric’ is not the same as ‘You’re offending people’.

Had he said the former, this wouldn’t be an issue. Rand acted stupidly.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Saying “Let’s tone down the Rhetoric but stick to the same policy” = Spitting in the face of your base.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM</blockquote
rhet·o·ric
ˈretərik/
noun
noun: rhetoric

the art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, especially the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques.

Saying “Let’s stop trying to persuade but still say we hold to the same policy” = insulting and stupid to your base. It shows how worthless he is to us.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 9:10 AM

If you’re against voter ID laws, you’re FOR fraud. Period.

conservative hispanic on May 17, 2014 at 9:10 AM

SHUT UP!
-Rand Paul

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 9:11 AM

gee, I wonder what would happen if a Presidential candidate just used COMMON SENSE before opening his fat mouth? It’s only common sense that most want fair and honest elections. At least most honest people, not the liberals who are combing cemetery’s looking for voters.

Mbiddle on May 17, 2014 at 9:12 AM

Saying “Let’s tone down the Rhetoric but stick to the same policy” = Spitting in the face of your base.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:06 AM

No, it is the unnecessary pandering to a group of people who will NEVER vote for Paul that is spitting in your own base. It is giving lip service and legitimacy to a group that says the laws are offensive by saying “maybe we should tone down our rhetoric” and stop being offensive. What rhetoric? What offense? NONE of the national GOP is even talking about voter I.D.

Paul came completely out of left field to try to elevate himself at the expense of other GOP. In doing so, he tried to make us all look like we were racists obsessed with voter i.d. and he was the “reasoned voice’ in the GOP. It is no different than the arrogance displayed by Jon Huntsman when he says ” GOP isn’t the party of science.”

Don’t want to pi$$ off your base. Don’t insult our intelligence.

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 9:13 AM

How ironic that Rand used poor messaging to denounce poor messaging.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 9:14 AM

How ironic that Rand used poor messaging to denounce poor messaging.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 9:14 AM

+1000

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 9:15 AM

The fact that an overwhelming majority of voters support voter ID…

The fact that a appreciable majority of black voters support voter ID..

The fact that in states where voter ID is enforced, minority voting numbers have stayed the same or gone UP…

is no where near as important as the fact that the uber-critical swing states that Obama won last election…

Don’t have voter ID.

Dolce Far Niente on May 17, 2014 at 9:15 AM

How ironic that Rand used poor messaging to denounce poor messaging.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 9:14 AM

+++++++++

bazil9 on May 17, 2014 at 9:16 AM

If we had voter ID laws it would disenfranchise those the stupid, lazy, or ineligible. These people, who apparently are mostly blacks and Hispanics, would not be able to help Democrats.

Happy Nomad on May 17, 2014 at 9:17 AM

If you’re against voter ID laws, you’re FOR fraud. Period.

conservative hispanic on May 17, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Right to the point. No more words need to be said. The rest is all just rhetoric.

crankyoldlady on May 17, 2014 at 9:21 AM

If we had voter ID laws it would disenfranchise those the stupid, lazy, or ineligible. These people, who apparently are mostly blacks and Hispanics, would not be able to help Democrats.

Happy Nomad on May 17, 2014 at 9:17 AM

think about what you said, and how racist it may come across…

nonpartisan on May 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM

crickets chirping on the lsm….

they are still pushing their mantra, voter ID is discrimination by golly

cmsinaz on May 17, 2014 at 9:29 AM

nonpartisan on May 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Alright, which one of you said her name in the mirror three times?

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 9:30 AM

think about what you said, and how racist it may come across…

nonpartisan on May 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM

That statement was clearly pointing out racism the Democrats have. Conservatives do not think that it unduly burdens anyone. It is the democrats who think that hispanics and blacks are incapable of voting if they have to produce an I.D. that they have to use for every single other aspect of their lives.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 9:33 AM

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 9:30 AM

lol..at least JoJo is still asleep. ;)

bazil9 on May 17, 2014 at 9:33 AM

If we had voter ID laws it would disenfranchise those the stupid, lazy, or ineligible. These people, who apparently are mostly blacks and Hispanics, would not be able to help Democrats.

Happy Nomad on May 17, 2014 at 9:17 AM

think about what you said, and how racist it may come across…

nonpartisan on May 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Think about the fact that you conveniently Ignored the word
“apparently” in the statement,

then think about how Stupid you come across.

ToddPA on May 17, 2014 at 9:35 AM

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 9:30 AM

lol..at least JoJo is still asleep. ;)

bazil9 on May 17, 2014 at 9:33 AM

LMAO– Whew.. Good think you didn’t say her full name, or we would see her next. ;)

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 9:37 AM

When half are against them and you don’t know a single one . . .

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 8:57 AM

And yet:

even there a bare majority, 51 percent, support them.

Much of the opposition is a reflexive response to the screams of the race baiters.

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2014 at 9:43 AM

On the immigration polls, where in the media can anyone find realistic reporting on the ills created by illegal immigrants?

BuckeyeSam on May 17, 2014 at 9:44 AM

JAGonzo on May 17, 2014 at 8:36 AM

YEAH! And … and… Islamophobes! Crummy misogynists. You smell bad too.

ToddPA on May 17, 2014 at 9:35 AM

Well put.

Chuck Ef on May 17, 2014 at 9:46 AM

‘Tone down the rhetoric’ is not the same as ‘You’re offending people’.

Had he said the former, this wouldn’t be an issue. Rand acted stupidly.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 9:10 AM

Why else would you tone down the rhetoric!?!

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:48 AM

nonpartisan on May 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Alright, which one of you said her name in the mirror three times?

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 9:30 AM

my cat was yowling, 3 of them sounded like the word racist.
sorry I will try to avoid this int he future.

dmacleo on May 17, 2014 at 9:50 AM

If we had voter ID laws it would disenfranchise those the stupid, lazy, or ineligible. These people, who apparently are mostly blacks and Hispanics, would not be able to help Democrats.

Happy Nomad on May 17, 2014 at 9:17 AM

Thanks for an example of the rhetoric from the right that’s offending people regarding voter ID.

See, that’s the problem with making voter ID a cornerstone of your national platform.

1. There are no goal at the federal level regarding voter ID.
2. When it’s a hot topic, the racists who can’t help themselves spout off and offend people.

Keep the same policy but tone down the rhetoric: you are offending people.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:53 AM

You have as much trouble with reading comprehension as nonpartisan.

Happy Nomad was sarcastically talking about the Democratic machine and their ability to make infants out of minorities.

Explain why Voter I.D. is racist and you sound like a racist. Tell me again why minorities are so helpless that they can’t obtain an identification that they need for everyday life?

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 9:56 AM

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Swoosh! Right over your head.

bazil9 on May 17, 2014 at 9:58 AM

think about what you said, and how racist it may come across…

nonpartisan on May 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Think about what you said and how you missed the point completely.

Oldnuke on May 17, 2014 at 10:01 AM

Keep the same policy but tone down the rhetoric: you are offending people.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Wow! You’re about as dumb as a stump. Missed it like nonpartisan. If that offends you let me say that I truly, honestly, from the bottom of my heart don’t give a siht. Clear enough for you?

Oldnuke on May 17, 2014 at 10:04 AM

You ever try to tell an obnoxious drunk that they need to tone it down?

And they’re like “I’m being f-funny. . . and sarcastic. It’s a Joke. Stupid”

and they’re drunk friends are like “Dude lighten up!” as they let our another roar and whistle to the waitress.

Yeah. Those drunks? They do offend some people.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM

I heard Rand Paul trying to justify his stance on voter ID, and the more he talked the more I realize that this guy is the last thing I want as a president.

savage24 on May 17, 2014 at 10:15 AM

See, that’s the problem with making voter ID a cornerstone of your national platform.

1. There are no goal at the federal level regarding voter ID.
2. When it’s a hot topic, the racists who can’t help themselves spout off and offend people.

Keep the same policy but tone down the rhetoric: you are offending people.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:53 AM

With all due respect I think you are blinded by the bubble you live in. It’s the race baiters “who can’t help themselves [and] spout off and offend people”.
The people who are offended by being unfairly called racists are in the majority – except for a few dwindling liberal bubbles

kcewa on May 17, 2014 at 10:16 AM

I heard Rand Paul trying to justify his stance on voter ID, and the more he talked the more I realize that this guy is the last thing I want as a president.

savage24 on May 17, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Yep. As time goes by I’m coming to realize that so far conservatives don’t have much in the way of presidential hopefuls. It’s depressing.

Oldnuke on May 17, 2014 at 10:17 AM

You ever try to tell an obnoxious drunk that they need to tone it down?

And they’re like “I’m being f-funny. . . and sarcastic. It’s a Joke. Stupid”

and they’re drunk friends are like “Dude lighten up!” as they let our another roar and whistle to the waitress.

Yeah. Those drunks? They do offend some people.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM

You do offend me. It is your desire to do so though.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Yep. As time goes by I’m coming to realize that so far conservatives don’t have much in the way of presidential hopefuls. It’s depressing.

Oldnuke on May 17, 2014 at 10:17 AM

It’s way early yet. The ones who are “running” now won’t be there in the end – count on it.

kcewa on May 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM

The voting majority is insane.

mitchellvii on May 17, 2014 at 8:37 AM

While I’m sure there’s a great deal of truth to that I think the real truth is closer to the fact that the fix is in.

Cleombrotus on May 17, 2014 at 10:23 AM

It’s way early yet. The ones who are “running” now won’t be there in the end – count on it.

kcewa on May 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Yeah, I know. It’s still depressing though. I keep hoping for a Reagan clone but I don’t think that’s going to happen.

Oldnuke on May 17, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Why else would you tone down the rhetoric!?!

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Just think if he’d said ‘Tone down the rhetoric’.

Can you feature that?

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Media only reports the polls they like.

BushyGreen on May 17, 2014 at 10:32 AM

You do offend me. It is your desire to do so though.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Step 1: See the troll.
Step 2: Play with the troll.
Step 3: Laugh at the troll.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 10:32 AM

astoneri-

That was directed at the one you were responding to.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Yep. As time goes by I’m coming to realize that so far conservatives don’t have much in the way of presidential hopefuls. It’s depressing.

Oldnuke on May 17, 2014 at 10:17 AM

Remember all the talk of the “deep bench” talk from 2010? Seems like a long time ago, doesn’t it? We’re now down to Pence, Walker, and Cruz as potentially acceptable candidates. Nearly everyone else we were hopeful about – Rubio, Paul, Christie, etc have basically all turned to the left.

Doomberg on May 17, 2014 at 10:34 AM

You ever try to tell an obnoxious drunk that they need to tone it down?

And they’re like “I’m being f-funny. . . and sarcastic. It’s a Joke. Stupid”

and they’re drunk friends are like “Dude lighten up!” as they let our another roar and whistle to the waitress.

Yeah. Those drunks? They do offend some people.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Just think if Rand had call Republican’s a bunch of stupid drunks.

One master of rhetoric defending another, huh Skipity.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 10:36 AM

I have heard/read Rand Paul’s remarks more than once; I have also
read the reporting on the topic. So called journalists apparently like to fulfill their own personal agenda by misconstruing the facts. The best one yet was when conservative sites were quoting
the tweet from a New York Times reporter. That is a conservative
source for facts?

I understand that you might not like Rand Paul, however, please
keep the facts straight. Rand Paul NEVER stated that he was against voter ID laws.

Its impossible to walk back something one never said in the first
place.

Amjean on May 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM

You have to admire Skipity. No matter how bad he’s losing, he keeps coming back for more.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 10:39 AM

astoneri-

That was directed at the one you were responding to.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Yeah, I caught that one. But I am notorious for failing to catch those.
Must be something about my personality :)

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 10:39 AM

I have heard/read Rand Paul’s remarks more than once; I have also
read the reporting on the topic. So called journalists apparently like to fulfill their own personal agenda by misconstruing the facts. The best one yet was when conservative sites were quoting
the tweet from a New York Times reporter. That is a conservative
source for facts?

I understand that you might not like Rand Paul, however, please
keep the facts straight. Rand Paul NEVER stated that he was against voter ID laws.

Its impossible to walk back something one never said in the first
place.

Amjean on May 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Did he say that those who support voter ID were offending people?

Did he use the word ‘offend’?

The problem I have with Rand was his rhetorical assault on people who support voter ID.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Rand Paul NEVER stated that he was against voter ID laws.

Its impossible to walk back something one never said in the first
place.

Amjean on May 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM

We all know that. He said ” we should tone down rhetoric, so we don’t offend people, but he supported the laws.”

Here’s my questions:

How are the laws offensive?

If they aren’t offensive, then aren’t you by acknowledging the offense legitimizing the movement that says they are?

What national GOP leader is hammering voter I.D. as one of their main issues, so much that rhetoric needs to be toned down?

What rhetoric specifically needs to be toned down?

Who actually benefits from this “toned down rhetoric” when the majority supports these laws including the majority of minorities?

I still have not gotten answer to these questions. It looks like Paul was pandering to a small group of victicrats who will never vote for him all at the expense of all of us. Like I said, don’t want to pi$$ off the base of the GOP, don’t insult our intelligence.

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 10:43 AM

I understand that you might not like Rand Paul, however, please
keep the facts straight. Rand Paul NEVER stated that he was against voter ID laws.

Its impossible to walk back something one never said in the first
place.

Amjean on May 17, 2014 at 10:37 AM

You are right, he never did say that. I do not know anyone here arguing he did.
What he did do was say that we should stop trying to persuade others to back voter I.D.
What he did say was that it was legitimate for people to say that those who support voter I.D. are racists.
What he did say was that people who come to erroneous conclusions without merit have a higher respect from him than those who come to correct conclusions with merit.
What he did do was paint every conservative with a broad brush of racism while trying to add a teflon coat on himself. Sacrifice others to the racism charge to save himself.

All in all, this is one very ugly thing that Paul did. But you are right, he never did say he was against voter I.D.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM

What he did do was paint every conservative with a broad brush of racism while trying to add a teflon coat on himself. Sacrifice others to the racism charge to save himself.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM

BINGO!

That is the BIGGEST problem I have with it. It is the same arrogance of Jon Huntsman who claimed that the GOP “had a problem with science.” Paul and Huntsman both took a Democratic stereotype and used it to their advantage at the expense of the GOP.. Not my idea of a leader.

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 10:48 AM

Public prayer is also supported by about 70% of the population. That hasn’t prevented liberals from exiling it from the public square and stigmatizing anyone who supports it.

Liberals are always aided and abetted by quislings like Rand Paul who agree with them.

will77jeff on May 17, 2014 at 10:49 AM

So it’s not just Donald Sterling; 70% of Americans are raaaaacist!

Who knew?

AZCoyote on May 17, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Man I am late to a rand Paul post.

200+ comments or bust.

coolrepublica on May 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Another one bites the dust.

Why don’t Dems ever have to walk back anything?

Cleombrotus on May 17, 2014 at 11:02 AM

Man I am late to a rand Paul post.

200+ comments or bust.

coolrepublica on May 17, 2014 at 10:56 AM

Spectator.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Probably a little north of 80.

Fox polls always seem a little off to me.

Large majorities oppose any and all Democrat policies. No one watches their biased news coverage. And yet somehow, by some bizarre evil miracle, they keep getting elected.

The voting majority is insane.

mitchellvii on May 17, 2014 at 8:37 AM

No, the voting majority is dead.

formwiz on May 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Once you see a candidate more concerned with what people think about their principles than standing for those principles, you know he’s cooked.

He’s come into “his neighbor’s power” Proverbs 6:3

Cleombrotus on May 17, 2014 at 11:18 AM

Once you see a candidate more concerned with what people think about their his principles than standing for those principles, you know he’s cooked.
He’s come into “his neighbor’s power” Proverbs 6:3

Cleombrotus on May 17, 2014 at 11:20 AM

What he did do was paint every conservative with a broad brush of racism while trying to add a teflon coat on himself. Sacrifice others to the racism charge to save himself.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Ok I’m gonna go out on a limb here, mainly because I WISH Rand Paul hadn’t done such a politically cowardly thing, and wish I could still support him, despite his naked cowardice on race.

However – consider that he’s been spending a LOT of time on the trail right in the belly of the beast, meeting with a good many black pastors and other leaders in the black community, and you can bet he got an ear full. A more entrenched, brainwashed liberal, race-obsessed mob would be hard to imagine. Logic and facts don’t work with libruls – all you get is incoherent ramblings based on lies, emotions, and cognitive disabilities.

Rand Paul wasn’t saying they are right to be offended by talk of voter ID, just that they are, as irrational as that is. They are offended, but he can’t come out and tell them how irrational and stupid, or actually insane their taking offense actually is. He’s just saying, some are offended (for whatever reason) and we need to recognize this.

Harbingeing on May 17, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Rand Paul wasn’t saying they are right to be offended by talk of voter ID, just that they are, as irrational as that is. They are offended, but he can’t come out and tell them how irrational and stupid, or actually insane their taking offense actually is. He’s just saying, some are offended (for whatever reason) and we need to recognize this.

Harbingeing on May 17, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I don’t think anyone here wants to offend any voters.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul

The list keeps growing.

bw222 on May 17, 2014 at 11:50 AM

The sad thing is that even when the GOP has 70% of the American people on its side, it is too cowardly to dynamically defend itself.

bw222 on May 17, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Supposedly up to 37% of Americans may believe the moon landing was a hoax. Does Rand Paul believe we should avoid talking about our space program, out of fear of offending these conspiracy theorists?

Gullible morons, regardless of race, who believe that voter ID requirements are somehow “raaaaacist” should not be pandered to. Their belief should be shown absolutely no difference whatsoever. These people are in the same category level of idiots as 9/11 truthers and other moronic conspiracy theorists.

bluegill on May 17, 2014 at 11:55 AM

The absolutely repugnant lie that voter ID laws are “racist” should be condemned and called out whenever possible. Shame on Rand Paul for helping give that disgusting smear any legitimacy.

bluegill on May 17, 2014 at 11:57 AM

He’s just saying, some are offended (for whatever reason) and we need to recognize this.
Harbingeing on May 17, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Oh? Why?

Cleombrotus on May 17, 2014 at 11:58 AM

What he did do was paint every conservative with a broad brush of racism while trying to add a teflon coat on himself. Sacrifice others to the racism charge to save himself.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Yes.

David Blue on May 17, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Wasn’t I being schooled by our resident blackolgist that “I don’t know a single black person against voter ID. It’s only the pastures and race baitors?”

When half are against them and you don’t know a single one . . .

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 8:57 AM

“Being schooled” requires intelligence, so no you were not.

bw222 on May 17, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Fox polls always seem a little off to me.

formwiz on May 17, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Actually, this new poll is almost identical to one the Washington ComPost did in August of 2012. In that survey, 74% of Americans said that voters should be required to show photo ID to vote.

WaPo 2012 Poll

Del Dolemonte on May 17, 2014 at 12:09 PM

You have to admire Skipity. No matter how bad he’s losing, he keeps coming back for more.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 10:39 AM

I think he/she/it is our dumbest troll ever.

bw222 on May 17, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Rand Paul sure doesn’t show any hesitation when attacking and mocking those who want immigration laws enforced:

VIDEO-
Rand Paul Takes on Amnesty Opponents- http://www.mediaite.com/online/rand-paul-takes-on-amnesty-opponents-do-they-want-us-to-put-illegals-in-concentration-camps/

Interesting to see his different approaches to these issues.

bluegill on May 17, 2014 at 12:10 PM

Oh? Why?

Cleombrotus on May 17, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Damn good question.

Harbingeing on May 17, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Harbingeing on May 17, 2014 at 11:32 AM

I think you are right that a large part of it is that he has been in the trenches. It really is going to be rough there.
I think he is frustrated, and as you said he could never tell them that they got to their conclusions irrationally (a word I was trying to come up with in my above post) and still earn their votes (not that I think he can anyways).
I never supported him. I have always been leery that he is putting on a facade and just acting the way he thinks he needs to. So, my take on him is not coming from a friend side. (Friendly disclaimer so you know where I am coming from.) I had the same feeling about Rubio, not while he was campaigning, I never paid attention to that part, I heard about how conservative he was, how he was a rising star and that he was totally a cool Hispanic. But on his first floor speech in the Senate he just did not come across as genuine and the thing that locked with me was his part about the potential legitimate paths forward America could take. He said that both Socialism or Capitalism were legitimate paths forward. He followed up saying that he believed that capitalism was the right path.
Paul still seems to be a cypher with me. I do not know who he is or what he stands for really. But this just really hit all the worst things for me and leaves a very sour taste in my mouth. Several of his most recent actions have done this.
Overall though, I have become a single issue voter since amnesty has reared its ugly head again. With the numbers, I have realized that with amnesty goes any chance at all of ever recovering a virtuous America or any aspect of conservatism having any sway for a very very long time. Several generations at least.
Rand Paul is very open to amnesty and is even more open to having an open revolving border where American citizens become the second class as they are replaced in the workforce by unlimited numbers of third world workers.
So, since he holds that position on immigration, he has an absolute zero chance of earning my vote.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Where is everyone. I thought we will get to the second page by now.

Once you listen to the Rove and the other establishment you become stupid. That is what has happen to Paul. He went and bow down to Rove and other establishment and came out dumb.

BroncosRock on May 17, 2014 at 12:20 PM

What he did do was paint every conservative with a broad brush of racism while trying to add a teflon coat on himself. Sacrifice others to the racism charge to save himself.

astonerii on May 17, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Bingo.

These are words I see coming out of Christy’s mouth without hesitation.

I hate thinking of Rand and Christy being on the same wave length on anything.

itsspideyman on May 17, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Christie. :P

itsspideyman on May 17, 2014 at 12:22 PM

It’s funny how this never seems to surface on the Sunday shows when the subject of Voter ID comes up. It’s even more amazing how it seems to be common knowledge that support for such legislation will doom the Republicans in 2016. Nothing is a given in politics, but 70% sure sounds like a fairly safe number in the electoral betting parlor to me.

…the Sunday shows would need a poll showing that 130% of voters support Voter ID laws before it is even mentioned…….you know…like they mentioned how precinct’s in the last election… had more voters…than residents.

KOOLAID2 on May 17, 2014 at 12:28 PM

Those who say voter ID laws are RAAAAAAACIIIISSSTT ARE the racists. They mean that blacks and Hispanics are too stupid to go get a government ID, which is FREE in many states. And even if it isn’t, so what? $5-$10 isn’t going to break anyone’s bank. And considering you can’t do jack in this society without ID, the excuse is even more insulting.

conservative hispanic on May 17, 2014 at 12:29 PM

think about what you said, and how racist it may come across…

nonpartisan on May 17, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Odd that you can’t take your own advice:

From a Gosnell abortion thread:

I hate to say it, but while what gosnell did was morally wrong, ultimately it was probably a net positive in terms of societal costs

nonpartisan on May 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM

those babies would’ve been born into households that don’t want them

the parents would’ve likely applied for welfare, etc and sucked up taxpayer money

think about it, the tsarnaevs used $100k of taxpayer money…wouldn’t the world have been much better had the tsarnaev brothers just been aborted at birth

nonpartisan on May 3, 2013 at 11:08 AM

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