Shocker: seven in ten favor voter ID laws

posted at 8:31 am on May 17, 2014 by Jazz Shaw

Kentucky Senator and likely presidential hopeful Rand Paul recently had to walk back some of his previous assertions about the GOP annoying people over voter ID laws. In light of yet another round of national polling, he may want to tip toe a few more steps to the rear. While it may be true that voter ID laws are annoying some folks, it looks like it’s really only about 30% of them.

Seven in 10 registered voters are in favor of identification laws in order to root out fraud at the ballot box, according to a Fox News poll released this week.

The survey found majority support in every major demographic, including black voters and Democrats.

The 70 percent who support voter ID laws remains largely unchanged in the past few years. Another 27 percent believe the laws are unnecessary…

The survey found majorities of every demographic support the law. Ninety-one percent of Republicans offer support, and 66 percent of independents feel the same.

Fifty-five percent of Democrats support the laws, while 43 percent oppose them.

Opposition to the laws is highest among black respondents, but even there a bare majority, 51 percent, support them. Forty-six percent of African Americans oppose the laws.

The actual phrasing of the question was pretty straight forward and not hedged to favor one side or the other: “Supporters of these laws say they are necessary to stop ineligible people from voting illegally. Opponents say these laws are unnecessary and mostly discourage legal voters from voting. What do you think?”

Lest you think that some new wave of rational thought and consistency has suddenly ravaged the nation along with the MERS virus, respondents also coughed up some rather curious answers on related subjects. The full results of the poll may be found here. Given how wide the margin in favor is and how common the knowledge of which party supports it and which one opposes, it’s rather difficult to explain the response to a second question as to which party is doing a better job on the subject of immigration.

ImmigrationPoll

In three years time, the margin as to who should handle immigration policy has flipped from a 42-32 edge for Republicans to a 44-36 margin in favor of Democrats. Really? You support voter ID laws, but a plurality think the Democrats “do a better job” on immigration?

It seems to me that we’ve been hearing a repeating pattern these last couple of years from not only the White House, but their Left swinging allies, that when a sufficient number of people support a particular thing, it’s a settled matter, and all of the naysayers should simply learn to accept the results, deal with their grief and find a way to move on. Does 70% not meet this critical threshold? If you are still opposing sensible voter ID laws to preserve ballot integrity, aren’t you in danger of landing on the wrong side of history?

It’s funny how this never seems to surface on the Sunday shows when the subject of Voter ID comes up. It’s even more amazing how it seems to be common knowledge that support for such legislation will doom the Republicans in 2016. Nothing is a given in politics, but 70% sure sounds like a fairly safe number in the electoral betting parlor to me.


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Schadenfreude on May 17, 2014 at 4:38 PM

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Probably because of observation:

http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2008/02/06/correlations-of-iq-with-income-and-wealth/

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 4:48 PM

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Oh, awright . . . . . let’s try again; … on what grounds-basis is the premise that “voter ID laws will disproportionately disenfranchise the poor”, based?

listens2glenn on May 17, 2014 at 5:29 PM

Oh, awright . . . . . let’s try again; … on what grounds-basis is the premise that “voter ID laws will disproportionately disenfranchise the poor”, based?

listens2glenn on May 17, 2014 at 5:29 PM

I don’t know who on these boards is advancing that argument.

You guys keep wanting me to be against voter ID laws, to hold the position that voter ID laws are racist, or that voter ID laws disenfranchise people . . . so that you can then argue against those positions.

straw man
noun
a weak or imaginary argument or opponent that is set up to be easily defeated

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM

Oh, awright . . . . . let’s try again; … on what grounds-basis is the premise that “voter ID laws will disproportionately disenfranchise the poor”, based?

listens2glenn on May 17, 2014 at 5:29 PM

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I don’t know who on these boards is advancing that argument.

You guys keep wanting me to be against voter ID laws, to hold the position that voter ID laws are racist, or that voter ID laws disenfranchise people . . . so that you can then argue against those positions.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM

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I came in to the middle of this conversation, without having gone back and rereading what lead up to this point. As such, I’ll accept the responsibility to “jumping-to-conclusions” that were in error.
Totally my fault …

listens2glenn on May 17, 2014 at 5:53 PM

200 baby!

coolrepublica on May 17, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Don’t most people favor minimum wage by the same margin?

Notorious GOP on May 17, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Don’t most people favor minimum wage by the same margin?

Notorious GOP on May 17, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Jazz, I was wrong.

71% of voters favor minimum wage. It’s time for the GOP to backtrack.

:/

Notorious GOP on May 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Here’s the big issue with the GOP “toning down the rhetoric.” Right now, these things are on our side. We tone down the “rhetoric.” The left who has the media’s mic anyways, takes the narrative. Eventually, after being hammered for years about the racism of Voter I.D. laws with no combative explanation from the right; the tides start to turn. This has happened on a number of issues.

If we cede the conversation on something the voters support, we will eventually lose their support.

melle1228 on May 17, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Oh, awright . . . . . let’s try again; … on what grounds-basis is the premise that “voter ID laws will disproportionately disenfranchise the poor”, based?
 
listens2glenn on May 17, 2014 at 5:29 PM

 
I don’t know who on these boards is advancing that argument.
 
Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM

 
Are you new here, or do you just mean “right now this instant”?
 

Holder said many voters would have to travel “great distances” to get a government-issued photo ID and that some would “struggle” to pay for the requisite paperwork.
 
“We call these poll taxes,” Holder said. …

 
(That’s Attorney-General-Holder Holder, btw)
 

Unless state IDs are free these laws are no different than the poll taxes under Jim Crow. I am almost certain that few states offer free state IDs.
 
libfreeordie on December 13, 2011 at 11:13 AM

 

It doesn’t the intent, though, which is clearly to discourage a (disproportionately poor, young and minority Democratic base from turning out.
 
urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

rogerb on May 17, 2014 at 6:31 PM

I don’t know who on these boards is advancing that argument.

You guys keep wanting me to be against voter ID laws, to hold the position that voter ID laws are racist, or that voter ID laws disenfranchise people . . . so that you can then argue against those positions.

straw man
noun
a weak or imaginary argument or opponent that is set up to be easily defeated

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 5:44 PM

It is clear that you do not understand why people are upset.

It is also clear that you deliberately misconstrue the arguments of others (create straw men) only to complain about the same.

It is not clear whether this is intentional (malicious) or unintentional (ignorant).

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 6:32 PM

That offence is in some cases preventing us from making inroads into certain demographics like the ones Paul has been talking to on his road tour.
 
Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 12:49 PM

 
Does anyone know how any actual conservative is supposed to do that? Imagine you’re someone without a high school diploma, no bank account, and on government assistance. Or, if not you, someone in your immediate family.
 
Now imagine you’re listening while one politician tells you our path isn’t sustainable and how we need to trim all government services by some meaningless amount like 1/2 of one percent across-the-board cuts while another politician tells you he plans to increase your personal monthly checks by 10% and make it even easier for your friends to get on welfare.
 
Which one would you vote for?
 
How do you make inroads against Santa Claus?

rogerb on May 17, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Are you new here, or do you just mean “right now this instant”?

rogerb on May 17, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Yes – I meant in this thread and the other 3 or so threads that were discussing the “it’s offending people” NYTimes Tweet.

I recognize that there are people on the left who hold all of those positions and that they do come around here from time to time.

It is clear that you do not understand why people are upset.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 6:32 PM

People here are upset because either:

1. They (mis)construe the remark as a retreat on policy.

or

2. They feel that publicly recognizing the fact that some of the rhetoric on the Right is offending people as somehow giving legitimacy to the various other racism charges from the left.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Which one would you vote for?

How do you make inroads against Santa Claus?

rogerb on May 17, 2014 at 6:52 PM

I don’t blame Paul for going out and ‘listening’.

The problem for him is convincing people that he’s sincere. That it isn’t all contrived and political.

Bigbullets on May 17, 2014 at 6:58 PM

How do you make inroads against Santa Claus?

rogerb on May 17, 2014 at 6:52 PM

You start by doing a tour of Democratic strongholds and start listening to the feedback you get from the audiences. Then you try to find policy points you do agree on and try to avoid talking about the things you don’t agree on.

You talk about economic growth. You talk about empowerment zones. You talk about fighting NSA.

. . .or maybe all this is just a fool’s errand.

I guess we’ll see – won’t we?

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 7:06 PM

You start by doing a tour of Democratic strongholds and start listening to the feedback you get from the audiences. Then you try to find policy points you do agree on and try to avoid talking about the things you don’t agree on.

You talk about economic growth. You talk about empowerment zones. You talk about fighting NSA.

. . .or maybe all this is just a fool’s errand.

I guess we’ll see – won’t we?

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 7:06 PM

Good start and logical. The problem is our liberal controlled education system and 24/7 propaganda by the media has left the majority of Americans stupid and uninformed. They simply absorb what they hear and believe it.

darwin on May 17, 2014 at 7:20 PM

I’m offended by having to pay income taxes.
I’m not the only one. Lots of people are offended by having to pay income taxes. Paul should start lecturing about how income taxes offend people.
Dumbass
jaime on May 17, 2014 at 8:49 AM

I’m offended that Caesar gets way more than God. I should be able to cap my taxes at 10% for First Amendment reasons. I’m also offended that out of my taxes the Feds get way more than my State–even though it is the crap hole Land of Lincoln.

Nutstuyu on May 17, 2014 at 7:41 PM

They feel that publicly recognizing the fact that some of the rhetoric on the Right is offending people as somehow giving legitimacy to the various other racism charges from the left.

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 6:56 PM

It’s not recognizing the fact that conservatives have a problem with, it’s conceding to the fact. My line is that unless the country comes to some sort of conclusion like the Democrat Party is a criminal hoax promoting organization, then the country really can’t be saved in any meaningful way.

Also, like many issues, this is an issue that the Left dwells on. Conservative states were quietly going about enforcing the voter id issue and it was the Left and the Justice Department that have made it a visible public issue.

Also, this issue is not limited to voter id, but also includes the updating of voter rolls, which is mandated by federal law. This practice is also considered by the Left to be racist. I would appreciate this aspect of the issue getting more play, but in general people either need to be convinced that Statism and Marxism lack merit, or we need to accept Statism and Marxism.

blockchords on May 17, 2014 at 7:43 PM

But Jesse Jackson says such laws are discriminatory, so it must be true.

Leftists are a bunch of stupid maroons.

oldennis on May 17, 2014 at 7:53 PM

The GOP is not intended to satisfy the Democrats agenda. As a matter of fact, the GOP is intended to be the opposition party to the Democrat agenda.

Simply read the platforms of both parties.

Further, the GOP would be well advised to appeal to it’s own base and try to insure that the base turns out to vote. Poll after poll tells us that conservatives outnumber liberal/progressives by a substantial margin.

The headline to this very thread tells us “Seven in ten favor voter ID laws”.

If the GOP tries to become the party that never offends the Democrats it will lose every election. Democrats are, by their nature, predisposed to be offended by conservative policy.

thatsafactjack on May 17, 2014 at 8:06 PM

rogerb on May 17, 2014 at 6:31 PM

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Thanks for keeping those on file, roger’.

They do come in handy, don’t they ? …: )

listens2glenn on May 17, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Why doesn’t the stupid party get on this train. I honestly can’t believe how stupid Rand Paul was with the black ministers. I’d be asking them if they really want to allow THEIR voters to be stolen. I think the country is ahead of the Republicans. The Democrats know the truth because they’re the ones who utilize the loopholes to steal elections. The Republicans need to step back, get the messaging right on this (and I’ll give you a clue it’s not about stealing elections it’s about making YOUR vote count).

bflat879 on May 17, 2014 at 10:32 PM

Don’t most people favor minimum wage by the same margin?

Notorious GOP on May 17, 2014 at 6:17 PM

voter I.D. is the right thing regardless of popularity.

astonerii on May 18, 2014 at 12:36 AM

Why do we need voter ID? No elections have ever been stolen, except, you know, every once in a while, like in the Presidential election in 1960, and the Good Guy won it and the Bad Guy was the one it was stolen from, so it was a Good Thing.

Even other elections that were probably stolen, like the Governor race in Washington and the Senate race in Minnesota, the Good Guys always win.

So what’s all the fuss about? Stealing elections is good. People who want to make it harder to steal elections just want to let racists win.

- Doctor Leftist Nutjob, PhD, Professor of Stopping the Capitalist Patriarchy

fadetogray on May 18, 2014 at 12:44 AM

I would rather they prove their identity by other means, such as already being on the rolls, maybe utility bills, etc. Democrats are going to be showing up in droves with other people’s licenses in hand, and the workers are just going to wave them through, after a cursory look at the ID. It’s going to make very little difference, although it will slightly depress the hispanic turnout.

cimbri on May 18, 2014 at 1:29 AM

Seriously. Whenever I’m trying to persuade someone of the rightness of MY position it’s usually THEIR side I’m trying to get THEM to question. If they’ve got me questioning MY position, I either don’t believe it that much or I’ve just lost the debate.

Cleombrotus on May 17, 2014 at 1:07 PM

What he said.

Because in the last few years, I have asked black strangers about this in my majority-black neighborhood–far more than Fox News polled.

And, btw, my original assertion was that I know of no black American who does not have at least a state ID.

This number includes total strangers who are: fellow military members, persons who have been in line with me at the bank, at the liquor store, or persons who have been passengers on the same airplane flight as I have been–in the last 33 years during which I have been an adult. Not one.

And who is this “blackologist” to whom you referred?

baldilocks on May 17, 2014 at 3:06 PM

Final word, in my book.
Good to see you here, baldilocks; greatly enjoyed your comments in the past, wish we were seeing more of them.

AesopFan on May 18, 2014 at 2:24 AM

Illegal aliens are voting in our elections:
http://watchdogwire.com/florida/video/illegal-aliens-caught-voting-and-stealing-elections-in-florida/

We all know it happens often. The Democrats want to make sure it continues.

bluegill on May 18, 2014 at 4:37 AM

Why are so many illegal aliens registered to vote?
http://mobile.wnd.com/2010/10/219349/

bluegill on May 18, 2014 at 4:43 AM

I bet a similar proportion would favor jacking up the voting age to “not a clueless moron fresh out of Beer & Girls U.” if they were certain they were safe from liberal persecution for saying so.

LawfulGood on May 18, 2014 at 5:42 AM

We see a lot of these “70% of those polled favor ______”.

Sure they do. But where are they and how are they distributed? And on Issue X, who cares enough about it to be a single-issue voter on that policy?

For voter ID or Keystone, you’ll see 80-90% in favor in Red states, maybe 30% in Blue states, maybe 50% in Purple states.

On other issues like minimum wage, you’ll see 80-90% in favor in Blue states, 30% in Red states, maybe 50% in Purple states.

And none of that tells you whether any of those voters care enough to vote in the next election solely on that issue. And for states in the deep Red or deep Blue category, the pols of the dominant party don’t have to worry much about voters tossing their party out of office on these issues even if a majority of the state’s voters oppose the positions and voting record of their state’s congressional delegation.

So the pols know better than to worry too much about Issue X polling at 70%.

Evaluating policy on this basis leads to a lot of false premises when it comes to whether any election is likely to swing on a particular issue.

All in all, this just seems like a run of the mill hit piece to troll on Rand Paul and to drive down any support for him. And wouldn’t that be surprising here at HotAir.

Toocon on May 18, 2014 at 8:48 AM

A link to prices for state IDs in all the states. Table was published in 2010 so prices are probably a little higher now.

DMVanswers.com: How much do state ID cards cost?

Toocon on May 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM

. . . . . imagine you’re listening while one politician tells you our path isn’t sustainable and how we need to trim all government services by some meaningless amount like 1/2 of one percent across-the-board cuts while another politician tells you he plans to increase your personal monthly checks by 10% and make it even easier for your friends to get on welfare.

Which one would you vote for?

How do you make inroads against Santa Claus?

rogerb on May 17, 2014 at 6:52 PM
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You start by doing a tour of Democratic strongholds and start listening to the feedback you get from the audiences. Then you try to find policy points you do agree on and try to avoid talking about the things you don’t agree on.

You talk about economic growth. You talk about empowerment zones. You talk about fighting NSA.

. . .or maybe all this is just a fool’s errand.

I guess we’ll see – won’t we?

Skipity on May 17, 2014 at 7:06 PM

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Good start and logical. The problem is our liberal controlled education system and 24/7 propaganda by the media has left the majority of Americans stupid and uninformed. They simply absorb what they hear and believe it.

darwin on May 17, 2014 at 7:20 PM

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If someone … ANYONE … running as a CONSERVATIVE … would start shouting:

“Government regulation and social programs are NOT the solution to the problem(s). Government regulation and social programs ARE the problem.”

listens2glenn on May 18, 2014 at 1:47 PM

I remember voting in the ’80s and had to show my drivers license as ID. Not sure when that ceased but it’s not a big deal to show an ID. We sometimes have to show an ID when using a credit card for a $7 purchase.

Kissmygrits on May 18, 2014 at 4:53 PM

I remember voting in the ’80s and had to show my drivers license as ID. Not sure when that ceased but it’s not a big deal to show an ID. We sometimes have to show an ID when using a credit card for a $7 purchase.

Kissmygrits on May 18, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Apparently you don’t understand that an undue burden was placed on you. You’re probably psychologically scarred and don’t realize it.

darwin on May 18, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Isn’t amazing how these political phonies hang themselves? Shane Osborn and Rand Paul just killed their careers, and the Neocons come out like roaches trying to defend them

Brock Robamney on May 19, 2014 at 5:58 AM

I’m waiting for Paul to come out and support Obamacare

Brock Robamney on May 19, 2014 at 11:46 AM

I’m waiting for Paul to come out and support Obamacare

Brock Robamney on May 19, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Keep waiting, retard.

Meanwhile, Obama – you know, the guy that the liberals got elected twice by a landslide – is continuing to actively destroy your nation.

LawfulGood on July 4, 2014 at 2:36 AM

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