So, why is the USDA requesting to buy submachine guns?

posted at 4:01 pm on May 16, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Yep. That’s a thing, according to a report from Breitbart:

A May 7th solicitation by the U.S. Department of Agriculture seeks “the commercial acquisition of submachine guns [in] .40 Cal. S&W.”

According to the solicitation, the Dept. of Agriculture wants the guns to have an “ambidextrous safety, semiautomatic or 2 round [bursts] trigger group, Tritium night sights front and rear, rails for attachment of flashlight (front under fore group) and scope (top rear), stock collapsible or folding,” and a “30 rd. capacity” magazine.

They also want the submachine guns to have a “sling,” be “lightweight,” and have an “oversized trigger guard for gloved operation.”

The solicitation is from the USDA’s Office of Inspector General, and another of their solicitations submitted on the same day (May 7th) is looking for the “commerical acquisition of ballist vests, compliant with NIJ 0101.06 for Level IIIA Ballistic Resistance of body armor… Body armor is gender specific, lightweight, trauma plate/pad (hard or soft), concealable carrier, tactical vest, undergarment (white), identification patches, accessories (6 pouches), body armor carry bag, and professional measurements.”

I might mention that I find it rather galling that an administration that would prefer to remove “high-capacity” gun magazines from the reach of the common citizen also sees fit to equip one of its most innocuous of bureaucratic arms with what it also deems “military-style weapons,” not to mention the monetary expense to taxpayers — but this apparently is not a new thing (a bunch of various IG offices employ armed special agents with law enforcement powers), and as Matt Welch at Reason aptly notes:

So how did an internal government watchdog turn into an external projection of U.S. power against its own citizens? Because of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which amended the IG Act to grant inspectors “full law enforcement authority to carry firearms, make arrests and execute search warrants.” The law was sponsored by then-House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas), passed with a heavily Republican majority (207-10 in favor, versus 88-110 among Democrats), passed overwhelmingly in the Senate (90-9, with no Republicans voting against), and then signed into law by President George W. Bush. The blunt truth is that after 9/11, a vast majority of elected conservatives want to arm the bejeebus out of the feds, with little or no deliberation about long-term consequences.

Here’s the USDA’s justification, via Politico:

USDA responded to POLITICO by explaining that there are more than 100 agents employed by the law enforcement division of the department’s Office of the Inspector General who carry such weapons because they are involved in the investigation of criminal activities, including fraud, theft of government property, bribery, extortion, smuggling and assaults on employees. From fiscal 2012 through March 2014, OIG investigations pertaining to USDA operations have netted more than 2,000 indictments, 1,350 convictions and over $460 million in monetary results, the OIG told POLITICO in a subsequent email.

Machine guns, though? What the heck is that about? I must say, though, that I’m pretty much with Matt Welch on this one — if the GOP is genuinely interested in walking back some of the federal government’s police powers that the party largely granted, it’s time to get to drafting some legislation to reverse the 2002 amendment and presenting their money-saving and state-slimming case. I’d be interested to know how the Obama administration would receive such tidings.


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So now we have to start all over with what we put into the headline thread?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Because the Army is not yet full of Leftists?

faraway on May 16, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Taking the moniker “Food Nazis” way too literally it seems.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Yes, you WILL eat your veggies, baby!

Tard on May 16, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Because the Army is not yet full of Leftists?

faraway on May 16, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Once transgenders start being recruited and enlisting in droves, it shouldn’t take too long.

/SNARK

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2014 at 4:05 PM

USDA responded to POLITICO by explaining that there are more than 100 agents employed by the law enforcement division of the department’s Office of the Inspector General who carry such weapons because they are involved in the investigation of criminal activities, including fraud, theft of government property, bribery, extortion, smuggling and assaults on employees.

Isn’t that what the FBI is for?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:05 PM

So, Obama can withhold Food Stamps from the masses whenever he wants?

faraway on May 16, 2014 at 4:07 PM

That’s some crazy firepower, that Obama’s thugs can turn against civilians.

Raquel Pinkbullet on May 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Preparing for the end result of Obama’s policies. A collapsed economy and civil unrest.

Why else would you stock massive quantities of food and buy billions of rounds of ammo?

darwin on May 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Because Obama wont be able to rely on the military to be “his” if all goes to hell, but the bureaucratic brownshirts will always be “his”.

And all the better to confiscate the stockpiles of preppers when the EBT cards stop working. Can’t have anyone eating who isn’t on the approved list.

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 4:09 PM

Because Dep of Agriculture buying body armor without machine guns is just not cool.

Nevsky on May 16, 2014 at 4:09 PM

So, why is the USDA requesting to buy submachine guns?

Because the Amish are selling unpasteurized milk. Duh!

Grammar Nazi on May 16, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Yes, you WILL eat your veggies, baby!

Tard on May 16, 2014 at 4:04 PM

A lot of good stuff in the headline thread as well, but I’ve gotta nominate this one as an early candidate for thread winner.

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:10 PM

As menacing and dark as the request by the Department of Agriculture for submachine guns is, I couldn’t help thinking it gets even darker if you think of guys like this guy, or worse, being the county agent packing one around.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Republicans don’t have clean hands in the rush to government paramilitarism. Or corn ethanol. Or pork. Or cheap labor IYKWIMAITYD.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:11 PM

Who needs a civilian national security force when you can heavily arm every single bureacracy of the federal gov’t?

In related news: The Bureau of Labor Statistics is soliciting bids for RPG’s and anti-personnel landmines.

HumpBot Salvation on May 16, 2014 at 4:11 PM

because the Cattle on the Bundy Ranch..Duh.

ToddPA on May 16, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Cow’s, chickens and pigs are damn dangerous…

PatriotRider on May 16, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Yeah, why do we have an FBI then?

The EPA, The Dept. of Education, the BLM, and countless other government agencies have armed teams.
Why? Seems like the government is trying to arm as many of it’s own employees as possible.

That really seems like overkill….which is probably what the government wants because these agencies are not constrained by The Posse Comitatus Act.

redguy on May 16, 2014 at 4:12 PM

In case they’re attacked by bovines with “mad cow disease”?

oldsquid on May 16, 2014 at 4:12 PM

It’s time to crack down on all those scofflaw farmers and chicken ranchers.

Curtiss on May 16, 2014 at 4:12 PM

The Italian Salami Mafia is smuggling in contraband Salamis and other illegal Charcuterie and are heavily armed..

Snowblind on May 16, 2014 at 4:14 PM

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Heh. Well, on selective fire, they only fire a 2 round burst.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Republicans don’t have clean hands in the rush to government paramilitarism. Or corn ethanol. Or pork. Or cheap labor IYKWIMAITYD.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:11 PM

No they don’t.
Which is why I see more and more that the GOPe is no different than the Dems.

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Those USDA pikers…

The NTSB just ordered some M-1 Abrams tanks…

PatriotRider on May 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

From fiscal 2012 through March 2014, OIG investigations pertaining to USDA operations have netted more than 2,000 indictments, 1,350 convictions and over $460 million in monetary results, the OIG told POLITICO in a subsequent email.

What?

lowandslow on May 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Cow’s, chickens and pigs are damn dangerous…

PatriotRider on May 16, 2014 at 4:12 PM

Well – especially zombie cows – and genetically engineered mutant corn….

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:16 PM

They found out the Jolly Green Giant is fed up with all their regulations!

otlset on May 16, 2014 at 4:16 PM

My personal favorite comment on this topic from the headline thread.

They make great gifts?

SailorMark on May 16, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Bmore on May 16, 2014 at 4:17 PM

I once saw some really terrifying soy beans…

PatriotRider on May 16, 2014 at 4:17 PM

The most irritating detail is that, even though the potential implications of this purchase are grave enough for certain people to hang on a lamppost for them, the Congress Republicans will ask no questions about it.

Rix on May 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Ted Cruz should include in his platform to dissolve all para-military sub agencies in any government agency. It costs too much and is a stain on liberty.

The local police or FBI can handle any criminal activity, after it is properly reported and/or search warrants granted in a proper court.

redguy on May 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM

So the government can kill civilians… quickly.

faraway on May 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM

Heh. Well, on selective fire, they only fire a 2 round burst.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:14 PM

Which still technically fits into the definition of “automatic”, as opposed to “semi-automatic” like what us peons are currently allowed to have, for now.

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM

The most irritating detail is that, even though the potential implications of this purchase are grave enough for certain people to hang on a lamppost for them, the Congress Republicans will ask no questions about it.

Rix on May 16, 2014 at 4:18 PM

That is why DC needs an enema. If the politicians don’t see the problem with every govt. agency acting like it’s own Army…..then well, we have a problem.

redguy on May 16, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Because they never know when they are going to have go up against the cornfield gang. Those ears of corn are dangerous.

HotAirian on May 16, 2014 at 4:20 PM

The NTSB just ordered some M-1 Abrams tanks…

PatriotRider on May 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

How about some B-52s for the BLM?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:20 PM

What?

lowandslow on May 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

I suspect very little of that is hands on violent crime, requiring car chases and shootouts. Lots of white collar agribusiness financial crime and corruption, made easy by …wait for it……..

big government.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:21 PM

From fiscal 2012 through March 2014, OIG investigations pertaining to USDA operations have netted more than 2,000 indictments, 1,350 convictions and over $460 million in monetary results, the OIG told POLITICO in a subsequent email.

What?

lowandslow on May 16, 2014 at 4:15 PM

That us because the government regulates too much and throws tax payer money around with no regards to the consequences.

redguy on May 16, 2014 at 4:21 PM

Hmmm, I wonder if I should get a gun….

SailorMark on May 16, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Children of the Corn, people, Children of the Corn. You don’t send unarmed USDA inspectors out into those backroads Nebraska counties without giving them a fighting chance. Any truth to the rumor that this armed outfit is to be called The Aggie Avengers!?*

*with apologies to Texas A&M

de rigueur on May 16, 2014 at 4:22 PM

As menacing and dark as the request by the Department of Agriculture for submachine guns is, I couldn’t help thinking it gets even darker if you think of guys like this guy, or worse, being the county agent packing one around.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Imagine Barney Fife with 30 rounds of .40 S&W in a submachine gun….

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM

They feel threatened by the Amish.

ajacksonian on May 16, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Have a Heckler & Koch and a smile!

hungrymongo on May 16, 2014 at 4:27 PM

It`s to help us get aboard the box cars more easily.

ThePrez on May 16, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Every federal agency needs machine guns and a SWAT team. It helps them serve the citizens better.

Cicero43 on May 16, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Preparing for the end result of Obama’s policies. A collapsed economy and civil unrest.

Why else would you stock massive quantities of food and buy billions of rounds of ammo?

darwin on May 16, 2014 at 4:08 PM

These SWAT soldiers will prove disastrously inept in such a situation. They aren’t soldiers, and in a catastrophe like this they’d find that they wouldn’t be able to work only in situations where they have a 10-1 advantage, the cover of darkness, and can blast down the door of people who are asleep at 3AM.

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Have a Heckler & Koch and a smile!

hungrymongo on May 16, 2014 at 4:27 PM

SEE!! Those dang Koch brothers are EVERYWHERE!!!!

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:32 PM

Hmmmm.

SailorMark on May 16, 2014 at 4:33 PM

These SWAT soldiers will prove disastrously inept in such a situation. They aren’t soldiers, and in a catastrophe like this they’d find that they wouldn’t be able to work only in situations where they have a 10-1 advantage, the cover of darkness, and can blast down the door of people who are asleep at 3AM.

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Well, that probably IS the best time to get the jump on a batch of mutant corn….

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:33 PM

Of all those listed illegal activities above, I do not see a rationale for deputizing and arming USDA employees with submachine guns and ballistic body armor. WTF?! Well, US Citizens should start to suit up too and arm yourself legally also. The demoncrats are abusing this law and bringing it to the front to show us the consequences of kneejerk legislation. Draconian, and overreaching.

jake49 on May 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Hmmm, I wonder if I should get a gun….
SailorMark on May 16, 2014 at 4:22 PM

You don’t already have one, or more?
Whatsamatta you?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Children of the Corn, people, Children of the Corn. You don’t send unarmed USDA inspectors out into those backroads Nebraska counties without giving them a fighting chance. Any truth to the rumor that this armed outfit is to be called The Aggie Avengers!?*

*with apologies to Texas A&M

de rigueur on May 16, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Well, some of those Sandhills ranchers can be a little salty at first. But, they quiet right down with some shade and a cold, shared twelvepack. The rest of us get our fight on in the fall with everyone east of the Missouri River. Wisconsin,..we’re comin’ for ya! Some day. Some day.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Guys, you joke about this, but the USDA arming themselves is nothing to laugh at. My neighbor around the corner is an owner of a small business that manufactures nutrition supplements (mostly for doctor offices). He has been raided SWAT-STYLE (no joke here) by the USDA multiple times. EVERY SINGLE TIME, the charges have been thrown out by judges for lack of evidence. But the effect is the same… they are hell-bent on shutting down any small business that operates in USDA-space… and this goes all the way up the supply line. As a government entity, they are just as bad as the EPA, possibly even worse because they hide behind a mantra of “protecting people”. Please don’t make light of this…

dominigan on May 16, 2014 at 4:36 PM

Let’s get out of the fever swamps, folks. I’m the first to question large government purchases of guns and ammo that don’t seem immediately to make sense, but here’s the deal on this particular purchase:

I have a friend who’s an agent for the USDA. His team investigates EBT fraud. He and all of his team members carry sidearms as well as fully automatic AR-15′s, secured in the trunks of their cars.

Why? Because here’s what EBT fraud often consists of:

Low- to mid-level gangster – both in the ‘hood and in the sticks – with a little business sense buys, or opens up, a small grocery store. He hires a couple of checkout folks who are in on the scam (or, if the store is small enough, he operates it himself).

EBT recipients come in with their card. They buy a $10 case of Fanta or something. They swipe their card at the register. The clerk has rung it up so that the card is debited $100. The EBT recipient gets $60 in cash back. The store owner keeps the remaining $30. His cost for the soda is $3, so he nets $27 for each $100 transaction.

Some of these guys do thousands, even tens of thousands, of dollars a week like this. Where does it go? Usually into drugs – specifically, dealing.

As you can imagine, these busts don’t always go smoothly. Sometimes USDA agents take fire, from everything from semi-auto pistols all the way up to semi-auto rifles like AR’s and AK’s. More than once, my friend has been on the receiving end of this fire. They’re real shootouts with the bad guys wielding big guns.

There are a lot of USDA field offices, and on average there are several agents per office. Do the math and it goes from sounding really nefarious to perfectly understandable.

greggriffith on May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

How about some B-52s for the BLM?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:20 PM

Those monsters? Nah, while not nearly impressive, predator drones work just fine, don’t take up as much room to store them when not in use and can take off from just about anywhere.

/SNARK

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

With all the other Federal agencies buying weapons and ammo, the USDA had to get some protection, too.
Coming soon: Civil war between the Fed. agencies.
Post Office attacking the USDA.
EPA going after TSA.
Turf wars!!!!
Anarchy in the Federal Government agencies!

albill on May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

You don’t already have one, or more?
Whatsamatta you?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Sadly, a tragic sailboat accident, wherein all my battle rifles and handguns were lost to the deep…..
Ammo, too.

SailorMark on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

A good hunting rifle in .308 or .30-06 is going to be effective at hundreds of yards and still punch through the toy body armor the USDA is getting, not to mention will turn the distance they’d have to close with those glorified pistols to be effective (SMG’s are good only out to about 50-100 yards MAX because they shoot pistol rounds) would become a killing field.

SMG’s are good only for ambush warfare at close range. And if you are going to survive what’s coming you aren’t going to be in a city to begin with…

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Leftists are very paranoid. Soon.. every government agency will be armed.

And I am wondering how long before leaving the country will become very difficult.

JellyToast on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

And if you ever wonder why some of us have multiple AR-15s, thousands of rounds of ammunition in addition to our pistols and the thousands of rounds of pistol ammo…just reference articles like this. It isn’t about if the government is going to come after us…it is about WHEN.

TexasEngineer on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Well, US Citizens should start to suit up too and arm yourself legally also.
jake49 on May 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Just be careful about testing your body armor….

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/05/15/south-carolina-man-dies-trying-out-bulletproof-vest-report-says/?intcmp=latestnews

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Sadly, a tragic sailboat accident, wherein all my battle rifles and handguns were lost to the deep…..
Ammo, too.

SailorMark on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Whoa! That happened to you too?

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Sadly, a tragic sailboat accident, wherein all my battle rifles and handguns were lost to the deep…..
Ammo, too.

SailorMark on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Let me guess – you went fishing with Bishop, didn’t you?
I’ve tried to warn people about that…

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:41 PM

And if you ever wonder why some of us have multiple AR-15s, thousands of rounds of ammunition in addition to our pistols and the thousands of rounds of pistol ammo…just reference articles like this. It isn’t about if the government is going to come after us…it is about WHEN.

TexasEngineer on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Any day now…..first those 36000 violent illegals have to get settled in somewhere, unleash chaos and cause honest, law abiding citizens to react violently and SHAZAAM! Here the government come, cause we can’t be taking the law into our own hands now can we?

/SNARK

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2014 at 4:42 PM

greggriffith on May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

“fever swamps”?

My neighbor has been raided by them at least THREE TIMES over the last few years, and has had to go to court to get the trumped up charges thrown out. These aren’t “fevered” imaginings. These are real experiences with these goons!

dominigan on May 16, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Sadly, a tragic sailboat accident, wherein all my battle rifles and handguns were lost to the deep…..
Ammo, too.

SailorMark on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

Let me guess – you went fishing with Bishop, didn’t you?
I’ve tried to warn people about that…

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:41 PM

On deaf ears and to no avail apparently.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2014 at 4:44 PM

There are a lot of USDA field offices, and on average there are several agents per office. Do the math and it goes from sounding really nefarious to perfectly understandable.

greggriffith on May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Again – What’s the purpose of the FBI?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:45 PM

As menacing and dark as the request by the Department of Agriculture for submachine guns is, I couldn’t help thinking it gets even darker if you think of guys like this guy, or worse, being the county agent packing one around.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 4:10 PM

Leave Mr. Kimble alone after all he did marry Ralph the Handyman.

RickB on May 16, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Leftists are very paranoid. Soon.. every government agency will be armed.

And I am wondering how long before leaving the country will become very difficult.

JellyToast on May 16, 2014 at 4:38 PM

They can arm every one of them and they will still be outnumbered and outgunned by citizens.

And all it will take is ONE Lexington or Concord before they start getting shot on sight. A rifle behind every blade of grass. You can’t hold a nation the size of a continent against an unwilling ARMED population, and they are fooling themselves if they think they can. Most likely they’ll hole up in their federal buildings and hope they aren’t themselves hit…

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Again – What’s the purpose of the FBI?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:45 PM

Apparently to do the express bidding of Bammy, which includes muslim outreach, I think. A common thread among federal agencies and bureaus of late.

hawkeye54 on May 16, 2014 at 4:47 PM

greggriffith on May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

What you say makes sense, but, why don’t they avail themselves of the local LE forces who have gotten themselves all gunned up, the U.S. Marshalls, or something similar when they are going to do a bust? Seems a bit redundant to have every investigative department do their own shoot outs.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:48 PM

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

Barack Obama

He was pretty clear about what he wanted to do, why anyone is surprised is beyond me.

jnelchef on May 16, 2014 at 4:48 PM

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 4:47 PM

That just isn’t going to happen that way. Not today.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:50 PM

So how did an internal government watchdog turn into an external projection of U.S. power against its own citizens? Because of the Homeland Security Act of 2002, which amended the IG Act to grant inspectors “full law enforcement authority to carry firearms, make arrests and execute search warrants.” The law was sponsored by then-House Majority Leader Dick Armey (R-Texas), passed with a heavily Republican majority (207-10 in favor, versus 88-110 among Democrats), passed overwhelmingly in the Senate (90-9, with no Republicans voting against), and then signed into law by President George W. Bush. The blunt truth is that after 9/11, a vast majority of elected conservatives want to arm the bejeebus out of the feds, with little or no deliberation about long-term consequences.

BOTH parties are as guilty as each other.
It is only a matter of time until the SHTF!

I don’t wanna be in this country any more.

greggriffith on May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM
Ain’t that why there is FBI and Police to ensure that the law is followed? Any excuse to say ‘awwww shucks, but all these agencies just gotta be armed.’ Fcuk that shite…

I don’t like this one bit, No Sireee, not one bit…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 4:50 PM

Why does the Department of Agriculture need submachine guns?

To arm its SWAT team, of course!

http://www.thomaswictor.com/gibberish-and-massive-bags/

A Chair of Some Kind on May 16, 2014 at 4:50 PM

He was pretty clear about what he wanted to do, why anyone is surprised is beyond me.

jnelchef on May 16, 2014 at 4:48 PM

No surprise at all here.

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Why are they buying arms, just look in the mirror and there is your answer.

RickB on May 16, 2014 at 4:54 PM

That just isn’t going to happen that way. Not today.

butch on May 16, 2014 at 4:50 PM

They will have their way in the cities. But not outside.

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 4:55 PM

He was pretty clear about what he wanted to do, why anyone is surprised is beyond me.

er…not that obama isn’t making it worse, but one wonders if you might have missed this quote from the linked article:

The blunt truth is that after 9/11, a vast majority of elected conservatives want to arm the bejeebus out of the feds, with little or no deliberation about long-term consequences.

“bejeebus” is the right word indeed, because it’s always the socon types who support “law-and-order” extensions of gov’t power — all the better for imposing their religious agenda on an unwilling heathen populace, after all.

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Think I’ll get me a Pig Farm, the stench will keep most folk away, I like pigs… :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 4:57 PM

[snip]…all the better for imposing their religious agenda on an unwilling heathen populace, after all.

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM

WTF are you saying? Are you high or somthing? Whose religious agenda? Explain yourself…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM

You need to meet Joana. It will elove at first sight.

RickB on May 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM

greggriffith on May 16, 2014 at 4:37 PM

Maybe the USDA should only be administering the program – not enforcing the law.
Maybe if there’s fraud happening, the USDA should it over to a law enforcement agency – like, oh say the FBI – to investigate.
If the EBT program is so over-run with fraud by such violent people, maybe the program itself shouldn’t even exist.

From the USDA web page:

Mission Statement
We provide leadership on food, agriculture, natural resources, rural development, nutrition, and related issues based on sound public policy, the best available science, and efficient management.

Vision Statement
To expand economic opportunity through innovation, helping rural America to thrive; to promote agriculture production sustainability that better nourishes Americans while also helping feed others throughout the world; and to preserve and conserve our Nation’s natural resources through restored forests, improved watersheds, and healthy private working lands.

Where in there do you see any mention of “law enforcement”?

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM

RickB on May 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Have yet to encounter the said ‘Joana’ she that batty eh RickB? :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM

“bejeebus” is the right word indeed, because it’s always the socon types who support “law-and-order” extensions of gov’t power — all the better for imposing their religious agenda on an unwilling heathen populace, after all.

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Good grief. You’re more of a moron than I thought before.

Bitter Clinger on May 16, 2014 at 5:04 PM

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM

They got Obama backing them up now to do as they wish, armed to the teeth, against ordinary americans.

Obamas’ dream is fast becoming a reality…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:04 PM

[snip]…all the better for imposing their religious agenda on an unwilling heathen populace, after all.

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 16, 2014 at 4:56 PM

WTF are you saying? Are you high or somthing? Whose religious agenda? Explain yourself…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM

What “religion” is known for forced “conversions by the sword” in 2014?

Hint#1: It’s not Christianity.
Hint#2: It’s not Judiasm.
Hint#3: It’s a religion Barack HUSSEIN Obama admitted to having “roots” in, that he proclaimed to the UN that the “future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam”.

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 5:05 PM

RickB on May 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM

Have yet to encounter the said ‘Joana’ she that batty eh RickB? :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Nuttier than a fruit cake.

RickB on May 16, 2014 at 5:07 PM

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 5:05 PM

That’s what I thought but I wanted the Jaxis person to answer it…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:08 PM

RickB on May 16, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Well, look what I have been missing during the daytime!! :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:09 PM

So, why is the USDA requesting to buy submachine guns?

To harvest Soylent Green?

rukiddingme on May 16, 2014 at 5:10 PM

katy the mean old lady on May 16, 2014 at 5:07 PM

That’s not funny…true perhaps, but not funny, cows are not scary looking enough to instill abject fear into our hearts, like the image of a shark does!! :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:11 PM

They’re concerned about pushback from the Ban Bossy campaign.

FiveG on May 16, 2014 at 5:11 PM

They got Obama backing them up now to do as they wish, armed to the teeth, against ordinary americans.
Obamas’ dream is fast becoming a reality…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:04 PM

Oh, I got that.
I was trying to make a little point with greggriffith.

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM

That’s not funny…true perhaps, but not funny, cows are not scary looking enough to instill abject fear into our hearts, like the image of a shark does!! :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:11 PM

I’ll take a shark over a p!ssedoff bull.

katy the mean old lady on May 16, 2014 at 5:13 PM

I’ll take a shark over a p!ssedoff bull.

katy the mean old lady on May 16, 2014 at 5:13 PM

He11 ya – cuz I can choose not to go in the ocean – so I’m safe – unless it’s one those sneaky deadly land sharks….

dentarthurdent on May 16, 2014 at 5:14 PM

Just in case there are other Cliven Bundy’s out there whose cattle eat Government grass, the USDA needs to protect their agents.

Watch out, all you corn farmers who don’t make enough ethanol!!!

/sarc

Steve Z on May 16, 2014 at 5:15 PM

I’ll take a shark over a p!ssedoff bull.

katy the mean old lady on May 16, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Exactly, a shark can’t follow you onto land. Unless SHARKNADO!!!

ConstantineXI on May 16, 2014 at 5:15 PM

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