Retreat: Cantor blocks DREAM Act for military enlistees from defense bill

posted at 5:31 pm on May 16, 2014 by Allahpundit

Proof that the GOP’s terrified of an immigration backlash from the right in November? Or proof that Eric Cantor in particular is terrified of losing his primary?

I’ll accept “both” as an answer.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor will block attempts next week to include a measure on a must-pass defense policy bill that would legalize young undocumented immigrants who serve in the military.

A spokesman confirmed Friday that the legislation, known as the Enlist Act, will not be among those debated with the National Defense Authorization Act, an annual bill that sets policy for the Pentagon. Rep. Jeff Denham (R-Calif.), the Enlist Act’s chief sponsor, had pledged to bring it up as part of the floor battle over the defense bill.

“No proposed ENLIST amendments to NDAA will be made in order,” a Cantor spokesman, Doug Heye, said in an e-mail Friday. He did not elaborate immediately on the reasons.

Cantor’s always seen legalizing DREAMers as a comparatively easy first step towards a wider amnesty. (He was, and maybe is, writing his own version of DREAM, remember.) They’re the most sympathetic class of illegals who are here; tying permanent residency and ultimately citizenship to their willingness to serve in the U.S. military only makes them that much more sympathetic. Border hawks are leery of it, though — especially if it’s attached to a must-pass measure like the defense bill — because it’s a way to get immigration reform to a conference committee, where Reid and Schumer could dramatically expand Enlist before sending it back to the House.

Both Denham and Buck McKeon claimed that Cantor quietly supported introducing the Enlist Act. The fact that he’s suddenly changed his mind means either (a) he badly misjudged the degree of resistance to Enlist that he’d see from conservatives or (b) he’s genuinely fearful of what’s going to happen in the primary for his seat in Virginia next month. WaPo had a story about that the other day, claiming that challenger Dave Brat was starting to make Cantor sweat with attacks on him over — ta da — immigration. I didn’t take it seriously because it’s so unusual for a big-name House member like Cantor to lose. His 180 on Enlist makes me wonder, though. What numbers is this guy seeing to make him want to pull the plug now, at a moment when Boehner’s signaling his resolve to tackle immigration this summer? If they’re going to move on amnesty, it makes sense that they’d do it soon and also that they might want to start small, with a measure targeting highly sympathetic illegals. Denham’s ready to help on both counts. Instead Cantor’s running away. Hmmmm.

Actually, there’s a third possibility: Maybe Cantor’s not worried about losing his seat or support for the party among righties in the midterms. Maybe what he’s worried about is his caucus. He’s on thin ice with them already; one more screw-up and the dream of Speaker Cantor may be gone for good. While you ponder that, here’s video of him being booed mercilessly by Virginia tea partiers last week.


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I’ve looked into the process of a foreigner to enter our military and from what I’ve seen I don’t understand how an illegal alien gets in.

Of course, unless the process is totally corrupt.

Nah! I don’t understand how they do it.

NavyMustang on May 16, 2014 at 5:35 PM

one more screw-up and the dream of Speaker Cantor may be gone for good.

Who thought he was going to be speaker? Not I.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Kick him out anyway. He’ll just reverse course at a later date otherwise.

will77jeff on May 16, 2014 at 5:37 PM

WTH are Illegal Migrants doing in the Military anyway for starters?

I was always under the impression that people with green cards could become citizens after serving a few years anyway.

How is an Illegal Migrant getting into the Military? They haven’t got the necessary documentation. Anyone?

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Election season switches are disingenuous and he’s not fooling anyone. He still support amnesty because that’s what his business paymasters expect.

Charlemagne on May 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Politicians should ALWAYS be terrified of a voter backlash!

Being terrified of their voters, increases the chances of them making good decisions that are in the best interests of the people who voted them into office.

wren on May 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM

From reading some of the people who comment on this blog I was under the impression that nothing could ever be done to change a politicians mind. Guess that’s wrong.

V7_Sport on May 16, 2014 at 5:43 PM

It has been known for some this that this “DREAM ACT” in the NDAA was just there as a “pour point” for the Senate to inject their immigration reform bill.

Provisions for a “Dream Act”-like activities based on military service already passed into law.

J_Crater on May 16, 2014 at 5:44 PM

This is where you hold them to account. Get rid of them in the primary. But failing that, get rid of them either way. Make them an endangered species.

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 5:44 PM

WTH are Illegal Migrants doing in the Military anyway for starters?

I was always under the impression that people with green cards could become citizens after serving a few years anyway.

How is an Illegal Migrant getting into the Military? They haven’t got the necessary documentation. Anyone?

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:38 PM

I would like an answer to that as well…I do not understand it.

bazil9 on May 16, 2014 at 5:45 PM

as soon as his he gets through his primary, he’ll change his tune

commodore on May 16, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Undocumented immigrants who serve in the military should be legalized. This should be a no-brainer. If you’re allowed to serve the United States in the military then why would you not be allowed to be a citizen?

mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Undocumented immigrants who serve in the military should be legalized. This should be a no-brainer. If you’re allowed to serve the United States in the military then why would you not be allowed to be a citizen?
mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

All illegal aliens should be deported. That is a no-brainer.

bluegill on May 16, 2014 at 5:47 PM

WTH are Illegal Migrants doing in the Military anyway for starters?

I was always under the impression that people with green cards could become citizens after serving a few years anyway.

How is an Illegal Migrant getting into the Military? They haven’t got the necessary documentation. Anyone?

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:38 PM

I imagine it’s done by Congressmen as a favor. You know, Juanita the maid’s son, Hector, has always wanted to be a Marine and Juanita never got properly legalized (which is why she is being paid under the table) so could you please Mr. Senator/Congressman write a letter to the military and free up a spot.

will77jeff on May 16, 2014 at 5:48 PM

mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

HOW is an ILLEGAL getting into the Military? HOW!!

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:48 PM

young undocumented immigrants who serve in the military.

What documents do illegals provide to get into our military ?

burrata on May 16, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Proof that the GOP’s terrified of an immigration backlash from the right in November? Or proof that Eric Cantor in particular is terrified of losing his primary?

I’ll accept “both” as an answer.

“When you can’t make them see the light, make them feel the heat.”
- Ronald Reagan

INC on May 16, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Undocumented immigrants who serve in the military should be legalized. This should be a no-brainer. If you’re allowed to serve the United States in the military then why would you not be allowed to be a citizen?

mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Redirected as ‘why would you be allowed to be in the military if you’re not even in the country legally?’

Midas on May 16, 2014 at 5:49 PM

mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

They shouldn’t even be in the military!

bazil9 on May 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM

Undocumented immigrants who serve in the military should be legalized. This should be a no-brainer. If you’re allowed to serve the United States in the military then why would you not be allowed to be a citizen?
mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Absolutely NO illegals and jihadies should be inside our military .
NONE .

burrata on May 16, 2014 at 5:51 PM

WTH are Illegal Migrants doing in the Military anyway for starters?

I was always under the impression that people with green cards could become citizens after serving a few years anyway.

How is an Illegal Migrant getting into the Military? They haven’t got the necessary documentation. Anyone?

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:38 PM

I would like an answer to that as well…I do not understand it.

bazil9 on May 16, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Ditto.

When my son went into ROTC he had to have his birth certificate, and I think a couple of names of people who had known him for years.

INC on May 16, 2014 at 5:51 PM

He also had to supply addresses of everywhere we had lived.

INC on May 16, 2014 at 5:52 PM

You can be an incumbent.

You can have a huge ‘war chest’.

And yet one simple primary can bring about the realization that if you’re ideas suck and people don’t like you, then you can’t win no matter what the advantages you have are.

He’ll do a 180 right after the election win or lose.

ajacksonian on May 16, 2014 at 5:53 PM

will77jeff on May 16, 2014 at 5:48 PM

I doubt it’s that simple…

Somebody/ies have been playing fast and loose with the Regs if that’s the case…

What Illegals are now serving in the Military?

OMG, can’t even begin to fathom this one…

Found some answers for the curious…

http://www.lawqa.com/qa/can-an-illegal-immigrant-join-military

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:53 PM

That’s to the best of my memory.

INC on May 16, 2014 at 5:53 PM

When my son went into ROTC he had to have his birth certificate, and I think a couple of names of people who had known him for years.

INC on May 16, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Are there similar requirements for their Commander and Thief ?

burrata on May 16, 2014 at 5:53 PM

political technologies are improving rapidly as time goes by. Next cycle, each Republican Congressman of significance will have a fake “Tea Party” primary opponent. The opponent will be quietly bankrolled by the Chamber of Commerce, and will attack the candidate from the right-wing position so ridiculously extreme as to completely inoculate him or her from any real challenge. You’ve read it here first.

Rix on May 16, 2014 at 5:53 PM

All illegal aliens should be deported. That is a no-brainer.

bluegill on May 16, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Yep. Load up the buses. “Next and only stop: Tijuana.”

will77jeff on May 16, 2014 at 5:55 PM

mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Shouldn’t someone here illegally demonstrate their allegiance to this country before we load them up with weapons?

Electrongod on May 16, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Are there similar requirements for their Commander and Thief ?

burrata on May 16, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Hahahaha.

I’ve said before—as have others—that if Obama wasn’t President, he would never get by security clearance to be admitted to the WH.

INC on May 16, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Is this a way to make the military not loyal to the American Citizens? Fill it up with hate filled gays and America disrespecting aliens?

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 5:56 PM

In the video, Majority Leader Cantor proudly says he led the opposition to Obamacare.

And yet Obamacare has been inflicted upon us.

OK maybe Eric Cantor gets a gold star for effort.

But I have a higher standard, and I want a Majority Leader to actually be EFFECTIVE in stopping destructive legislation from passing.

The Virginia Primary election is on June 10.

Is there a candidate, who can be a more effective Representative for the Voters than Eric Cantor, running against him in the Primary?

wren on May 16, 2014 at 5:56 PM

How is an Illegal Migrant getting into the Military? They haven’t got the necessary documentation. Anyone?

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Haven’t you heard? Expecting people to have an ID is racist.

Left Coast Right Mind on May 16, 2014 at 5:57 PM

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor will block attempts next week to include a measure on a must-pass defense policy bill that would legalize young undocumented immigrants who serve in the military.

Then the above statement by Cantor is just yer typical political bullcrap as usual and got found out…

A spokesman confirmed Friday that the legislation, known as the Enlist Act, will not be among those debated with the National Defense Authorization Act, an annual bill that sets policy for the Pentagon. Rep. Jeff Denham (R-Calif.), the Enlist Act’s chief sponsor, had pledged to bring it up as part of the floor battle over the defense bill.

“No proposed ENLIST amendments to NDAA will be made in order,” a Cantor spokesman, Doug Heye, said in an e-mail Friday. He did not elaborate immediately on the reasons.

Smoke and Mirrors… THEY want to allow Illegals in but until they pass some bullcrap like this, they can’t…

Effing azzholes…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Undocumented immigrants who serve in the military should be legalized. This should be a no-brainer. If you’re allowed to serve the United States in the military then why would you not be allowed to be a citizen?
mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

All illegal aliens should be deported. That is a no-brainer.

bluegill on May 16, 2014 at 5:47 PM

I tend to agree, however, someone who has done a couple of tours in Iraq has done a heII of a lot more for this country than most “natural born” American citizens. I think this is the exception to the rule. Besides, there aren’t many illegals in the military because it’s illegal for them to be there.

V7_Sport on May 16, 2014 at 5:59 PM

voters should demand he and all politicians take the Fair task force pledge to protect American workers, if they will not agree to it and sign, they are worthy of our votes.

Candidate Questionnaire: Will you promise to protect American workers?
American workers are facing desperate economic conditions. Wages have plummeted while millions of Americans have been pushed out of the labor force entirely. Youth unemployment is sky-high. Decades of record immigration have placed enormous stress on American jobseekers, taxpayers and communities. Yet politicians in Washington who claim to oppose “comprehensive immigration reform” are pushing legislation that would not only legalize millions of illegal workers but give mega-corporations millions of new foreign workers — depressing wages and reducing jobs for American workers. It is therefore essential that we know whether you will support TRUE immigration reform policies.
The FAIR Congressional Task Force invites all candidates across the country to put their position on immigration reform on the record.

FAIR TASK FORCE PLEDGE:
There are approximately 12 million illegal aliens currently residing in the United States, many taking jobs from unemployed Americans. Will you oppose or support legislation that would grant any form of work authorization to illegal aliens?
Each year the United States gives legal permanent residency (green cards) to another 1 million immigrants who often fill jobs at lower wages. Will you oppose or support legislation that would increase the overall number of immigrants (legal permanent residents/green card holders) admitted each year to the U.S.?
Despite growing welfare rolls and chronic youth joblessness, the United States admits over 700,000 guest workers annually to work in numerous professions. Will you oppose or support legislation that would increase the overall number of guest workers admitted each year to the U.S.?

http://fairtaskforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/FCTF_questionnaire.pdf

Demand ANY politician wanting your vote goes on record, let them know it is your litmus test to see if the choose illegal foreign invaders over American citizens.

The gop’rs pushing biggest ever piece of corporate welfare and cronyism designed to destroy American citizens, amnesty, and choosing illegal foreign invaders over American citizens. amnesty creates a permanent democrat majority and destroys the middle class, and they are doing it for nothing more than chambers of commerce bribe money.
Thats why no politician who will not agree to and sign the FAIR task force pledge to protect American workers deserves a vote, signing the pledge does not necessarily earn the right to our votes, but not signing it disqualifies any politician of being worthy of our votes.
Signed pledges are black and white, making politicians actually commit to a position. there is no deniability, no parsing of words and no obfuscating language and playing all sides of issues so common among politicians, for just that reason they hate them. they prove them as undeniable liars and provide a hammer to defeat them as liars they are a tool of accountability that is simple straight forward and easy to understand, thats why politicians hate them, and I reiterate, all politicians need to sign the FAIR pledge to protect American workers or they are unworthy of our votes.

Garyinaz66 on May 16, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Who hasn’t wanted a North Korean, or Russian, or Iranian in the foxhole with you?

faraway on May 16, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Is this a way to make the military not loyal to the American Citizens? Fill it up with hate filled gays and America disrespecting aliens?

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 5:56 PM

THAT could be the dastardly plan, no doubt, explains much don’t it! :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Garyinaz66 on May 16, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Thanks for linking this!! :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:03 PM

An illegal alien cannot join the United States Armed Forces.

However, a legal immigrant can ( green card, legal permanent resident) even if that immigrant is only in the United States on a temporary work visa. (This change of the law for temporary work visas was added in 2009).

The issue of a DREAM Act for the military includes spouses of legitimate service personnel who are illegal aliens ( the spouse) being granted legal status, as well as children of service personnel who are not citizens, married to an illegal alien spouse, or married to another legal immigrant, whose children were born abroad.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Garyinaz66 on May 16, 2014 at 6:00 PM

All I am getting is gobbledegoop…!! :)

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Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:06 PM

wren on May 16, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Well, that SHOULD be true but the low-info voter votes them in anyway – over, and over. What the heck?

Chuck Ef on May 16, 2014 at 6:06 PM

I am curious were most Americans stand on this issue about non-citizens serving in the military. When I was in the Marines, after a bloody firefight with three KIA and more wounded myself included, our corpsman was from Fiji. He was a non citizen and we helped him study when we could for his naturalization test. That day, Dec. 23rd 2004, Fallujah, Iraq our doc ran into that building gun in one hand, bandages in the other. He saved lives that day, as many as he could, he patch me up after my arm was blown to bits. I couldn’t have asked for a better friend or doc that day. We all knew that this country and us meant just as much to him as any of us and even more so than some people on the left. He was willing to wait in line and study to pass the test.

Brass Knuckles on May 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM

An illegal alien cannot join the United States Armed Forces.

However, a legal immigrant can ( green card, legal permanent resident) even if that immigrant is only in the United States on a temporary work visa. (This change of the law for temporary work visas was added in 2009).

The issue of a DREAM Act for the military includes spouses of legitimate service personnel who are illegal aliens ( the spouse) being granted legal status, as well as children of service personnel who are not citizens, married to an illegal alien spouse, or married to another legal immigrant, whose children were born abroad.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM

I KNEW that someone would have the answer, glad that it was you Jackie!! Thanks, I kinda knew it was along those lines… :)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM

How is an Illegal Migrant getting into the Military? They haven’t got the necessary documentation. Anyone?

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 5:38 PM

…our version of the British Empire’s Hessian soldiers?

KOOLAID2 on May 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Thanks J.

bazil9 on May 16, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:06 PM

odd, I just tried it and it worked, try this it has the pdf link to the pledge:
http://fairtaskforce.com/

Garyinaz66 on May 16, 2014 at 6:10 PM

He was willing to wait in line and study to pass the test.

Brass Knuckles on May 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM

I have no problem with legal immigration. I have no problem with legal immigrants serving in the United States Armed Forces.

I have a major problem with illegal aliens and those who willfully choose to shatter federal immigration, show a clear disdain for the rights of American citizens and legal immigrants, and a complete disregard for the rule of law.

I have a major problem with those who seek to twist US federal immigration law, designed, drafted, and passed to protect US citizens from predation by illegal aliens into a means to further the goals of those who choose to come to this nation in order to prey on US citizens and legal immigrants.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Brass Knuckles on May 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM

I doubt seriously that your corpsman was an Illegal, he probably had some kind of a ‘card’ that allowed him into the military, no qualms about that, and what a courageous man he is!!

A person like him is welcomed with open arms :)

Glad he was able to save lives that day, and yours too!!

Thank You for your service, and his also ^5 {{hugs}}

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Wasn’t there are story on here the other day quoting an Army recruiter who claimed the military was rejecting a record number of applicants, that only one in four now is able to serve?

This is CLEARLY a job that Americans will do.

Scottie on May 16, 2014 at 6:13 PM

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Thanks for the info.

INC on May 16, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Garyinaz66 on May 16, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Got it that time!! (It’s me laptop, ancient lol)

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Gee, Cantor getting booed…imagine that…

Newtie and the Beauty on May 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I tend to agree, however, someone who has done a couple of tours in Iraq has done a heII of a lot more for this country than most “natural born” American citizens. I think this is the exception to the rule. Besides, there aren’t many illegals in the military because it’s illegal for them to be there.

V7_Sport on May 16, 2014 at 5:59 PM

I’m also somewhat sympathetic to the idea of allowing illegal aliens who serve in the U.S. military to get citizenship, but I disagree with the last sentence you have there.

After all, it’s illegal for illegal aliens to be present in the United States, too, but that hasn’t stopped many of them from remaining here.

J.S.K. on May 16, 2014 at 6:16 PM

The issue of a DREAM Act for the military includes spouses of legitimate service personnel who are illegal aliens ( the spouse) being granted legal status, as well as children of service personnel who are not citizens, married to an illegal alien spouse, or married to another legal immigrant, whose children were born abroad.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:05 PM

If the spouse of a legitimate service person is an ILLEGAL alien, shouldn’t we be more concerned that the service person is aiding a fugitive from justice than rushing to give the ILLEGAL alien U.S. Citizenship?

wren on May 16, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:07 PM

bazil9 on May 16, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Most welcome, my friends.

The reason Denton and his open borders pals are anxious to attach this piece of legislation to the Defense Bill is because if they can get any immigration related legislation included in a bill that must pass they can move it to the Senate where Reid and others can expand it to include the Gang of Eight bill and send it back to Boehner to try and shove it through the House. The odds of getting it passed are greatly increased because the House could only kill it or pass it at that point, rather than strip out the immigration law and send it back to the Senate to give Obama for signature. Its the DEFENSE bill. The House would pretty much be forced to pass it.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:16 PM

And if he wins his primary he’ll unblock it.

I listened to that speech of his a few days ago. You know.. you can tell when someone is speaking from the heart or not. He sounded like he was clumsily reading a script.

JellyToast on May 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Newtie and the Beauty on May 16, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I bet that was quite a shocker for his ego.

No wonder the political class hates town halls and public meetings. They get hit alongside the head with the 2 x 4 of voters.

INC on May 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM

wren on May 16, 2014 at 6:16 PM

I agree with you if he married the illegal alien and he’s a citizen, or if he’s a legal permanent resident who had been in the US unmarried before he enlisted.

However, in that if the person enlisted while here on a temporary work visa, his spouse would likely still be in his country of origin, making that spouse an illegal alien should the spouse choose to reside in this nation without a visa. This is the argument the LEFT would make, and many Republicans would make, in trying to pass this legislation.

I think it was a mistake to pass legislation allowing someone here only on a temporary work visa to enlist. However, that legislation was passed quietly in 2009.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM

wren on May 16, 2014 at 6:16 PM

They all should have to do it the way I did when I married and my Husband was in the Army.

He first off had to get permission from his Chain of Command, his Captain I believe, for us to be married. I had to go thru rigorous clearances, by the Army, the local german police and the UK police, and the paperwork, and Embassy visits, it all took more than 6 months, and when I arrived in the US I went to Immigration and got my Green Card!!

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Absolutely NO illegals and jihadies should be inside our military .
NONE .

burrata on May 16, 2014 at 5:51 PM

There’s no necessary relationship between illegal aliens and jihadis. Remember Nidal Hasan, the U.S. Army officer who committed the Fort Hood massacre in 2009? He was a self-proclaimed supporter of jihad. But he was born right here in the United States, in Virginia.

J.S.K. on May 16, 2014 at 6:22 PM

So what is Hussein doing for that Corpseman in mehican jail ?
Does he even know or will he find out about him in the newspaper next week ?

burrata on May 16, 2014 at 6:23 PM

Allahpundit,

If these libs and Moderates lose their elections, they will pass immigration reform on their way out the door. Senators leave their office on January 3rd. 60 days is a long time for people like Cantor to give a final middle finger to conservatives on their way out the door.

portlandon on May 16, 2014 at 6:24 PM

[snip]…Its the DEFENSE bill. The House would pretty much be forced to pass it.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Such a sneaky underhanded way of doing things, it’s how so much gets passed, and passed us…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Such a sneaky underhanded way of doing things, it’s how so much gets passed, and passed us…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:24 PM

Yep

bazil9 on May 16, 2014 at 6:25 PM

All illegal aliens should be deported. That is a no-brainer.

bluegill on May 16, 2014 at 5:47 PM

So, let me ask you… how should those who live in Pueto Rico, Samoa, and the other islands be dealt with? These people are not american citizens, but are part of the Territory of the United States.

And FYI, those who serve as “illegals” from other countries usually sign up IN other countries. Why? Language. They don’t need to go to some fancy 1-2 yr Intel school, and don’t get the higher pay, but also have to become a U.S. citizen by two (2) years of serving.

I know quite a few (German, Latin, Indian) who have done this. I see nothing wrong with it, as long as THEY serve the U.S., especially since we don’t have enough of our own self consumed citizens to go into the military.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:25 PM

There’s no necessary relationship between illegal aliens and jihadis. Remember Nidal Hasan, the U.S. Army officer who committed the Fort Hood massacre in 2009? He was a self-proclaimed supporter of jihad. But he was born right here in the United States, in Virginia.

J.S.K. on May 16, 2014 at 6:22 PM

As I said, jihadies should NOT be in our military.
Whatever their immigration/citizenship status.

burrata on May 16, 2014 at 6:26 PM

Didn’t read all the commentary

Kudos to Cantor

DanMan on May 16, 2014 at 6:26 PM

I know quite a few (German, Latin, Indian) who have done this. I see nothing wrong with it, as long as THEY serve the U.S., especially since we don’t have enough of our own self consumed citizens to go into the military.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:25 PM

The military turns away 4 of 5 potential recruits.
LIAR.

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 6:27 PM

portlandon on May 16, 2014 at 6:24 PM

I wonder to myself, they also live here don’t they!

Why in all that’s sacred, would they want to do this to their country? Makes no sense to me.

Yes, I know why, but still doesn’t make sense, for money for power?

This smacks so much of how things have always been in the UK, the privileged swanning it over us ‘serfs’ all to serve themselves and keep us ‘serfs’ knuckled under and tightly controlled…

Yeah, Socialism.

Great isn’t it!//////////

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:28 PM

IT’S A TRAP.

THERE IS A PARALLEL BILL ALLOWING ILLEGALS TO ENLIST AND GET CITIZENSHIP SPONSORED BY REPRESENTATIVE MIKE COFFMAN [sadly, from my state of Colorado]. It also can be gutted by the Senate and the full amnesty package inserted just like they did Obamacare.

H.R. 435, the Military Enlistment Opportunity Act

Coffman is a lying Scheiss-weasel. I have dealt with him since he was in the legislature and was State Treasurer. He is a hard core Institutional Republican, not a conservative, and will lie to anyone he thinks will profit him.

Both Denham’s Bill, and Coffman’s were named months ago as candidates to be used by the Democrats and Boehner to pass Amnesty and Permanent Open Borders.

CANTOR IS TRYING TO FOOL US.

Subotai Bahadur on May 16, 2014 at 6:28 PM

The military turns away 4 of 5 potential recruits.
LIAR.

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 6:27 PM

research it. You might be “enlightened”.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:30 PM

I think it was a mistake to pass legislation allowing someone here only on a temporary work visa to enlist. However, that legislation was passed quietly in 2009.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Shame on all those anti-American traitors who did this for 30 pieces of silver.
May they all rot in hell while they are still alive .

burrata on May 16, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Subotai Bahadur on May 16, 2014 at 6:28 PM

At this point in time, it seems it’s a ‘done deal’…

No stopping it…

Gut and insert…

Fcuking assholes the bloody lot of them…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Oops my comment got snagged…. 0:

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:32 PM

Subotai Bahadur on May 16, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Sounds like it is a done deal…

What can stop it at this point in time?

effing azzholes…

Scrumpy on May 16, 2014 at 6:33 PM

Cantor’s worried about losing his woobie. Good, he should be.

pehrsson on May 16, 2014 at 6:34 PM

research it. You might be “enlightened”.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:30 PM

I do not really have to research it. Other people do that.

It’s no longer enough to be a patriotic, able-bodied young person. A high-school diploma, above-average score on the military entrance exams, and a clean slate — free from prior drug use or criminal conduct — are practically required now. Thanks to high youth unemployment and the drawdown from both Iraq and Afghanistan, Uncle Sam can afford to be a bit pickier.

Plenty of people in America to fill the jobs. Notice that. Being a patriotic person is not a bonus to getting into the military. Hmmmm.
There are plenty of Americans to fill those jobs.

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 6:35 PM

wren on May 16, 2014 at 6:16 PM

I agree with you if he married the illegal alien and he’s a citizen, or if he’s a legal permanent resident who had been in the US unmarried before he enlisted.

However, in that if the person enlisted while here on a temporary work visa, his spouse would likely still be in his country of origin, making that spouse an illegal alien should the spouse choose to reside in this nation without a visa. This is the argument the LEFT would make, and many Republicans would make, in trying to pass this legislation.

I think it was a mistake to pass legislation allowing someone here only on a temporary work visa to enlist. However, that legislation was passed quietly in 2009.

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM

I appreciate your explanation, thatsafactjack!

But as my HotAir friends can probably guess, I generally do not agree with arguments that the LEFT would make.

If his spouse is still in their country of origin, then the spouse should be required to follow existing laws to enter our country LEGALLY.

If instead the spouse decides to enter our country ILLEGALLY, then the spouse should be deported, and the Service Member should be in a heap of trouble.

Anybody who is serving in the U.S. Military should understand better than most people why it is important for U.S. Immigration Laws to be ENFORCED.

P.S. I agree with you that allowing people in the U.S. on only a temporary work permit to serve in our military has the potential to cause problems.

wren on May 16, 2014 at 6:37 PM

Due to a crappy economy and the fact that the military is cutting the number of active duty troops, I recently read that only 20% of those who want to enlist in the Army are being accepted.

If this is the situation, why do we need illegals in the armed forces?

bw222 on May 16, 2014 at 6:37 PM

INC on May 16, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Claire McCa$hkill’s reception during the 404care townhalls in 2009 was priceless…

Newtie and the Beauty on May 16, 2014 at 6:38 PM

US Military Enlistment Goals and Accessions since FY2003
(Sources: Department of Defense, Government Accountability Office)
Air Force Army Marine Corps Navy
Fiscal Year
Goal Actual Goal Actual Goal Actual Goal Actual
2003 37,000 37,141
73,800 74,132 32,501 32,530 41,077 41,376
2004 34,080
34,362 77,000 77,587 36,773 36,794 39,592
39,874
2005 18,900 19,222 80,000 73,373* 32,917 32,961 37,635 37,703
2006 30,750 30,889 80,000 80,635 32,301 32,337 36,656 36,679
2007 27,801 27,801 80,000 80,407 35,576 35,603 37,000 37,361
2008 27,800 27,848 80,000 80,517 37,967 37,991 38,419 38,485
2009 31,980 31,983 65,000 70,045 31,400 31,413 35,500 35,527
2010 28,360 28,493 74,500 74,577 28,000 28,041 34,140 34,180
2011 28,515 28,518 64,000 64,019 29,750 29,773 33,400 33,444
2012 29,037 29,037 58,000 60,490 30,500 30,514 36,275 36,329
2013 26,275 26,275 69,000 69,154 32,200 32,215 40,112 40,112

*The Army was the only military to miss an enlistment goal since 2003, and only missed their goal once (in 2005).

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 6:40 PM

His 180 on Enlist makes me wonder, though. What numbers is this guy seeing to make him want to pull the plug now, at a moment when Boehner’s signaling his resolve to tackle immigration this summer?

The GOP thought they could ride the tsunami created by Obamacare across the finish line and didn’t need their base, so they decided now was the time for amnesty. Obama simply delayed the painful parts of Obamacare until……he damn well feels like it. Their going to be walking sore come Nov. unless something drastic happens.

DFCtomm on May 16, 2014 at 6:42 PM

I know quite a few (German, Latin, Indian) who have done this. I see nothing wrong with it, as long as THEY serve the U.S., especially since we don’t have enough of our own self consumed citizens to go into the military.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:25 PM

No branch of the U.S. Military has had a problem reaching their enlistment numbers for a long time.

bw222 on May 16, 2014 at 6:42 PM

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Time to stop drinking coffee. Little wound up.

And just because the military is at quota, doesn’t mean it doesn’t go and look for people. Good grief.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:42 PM

There’s no necessary relationship between illegal aliens and jihadis. Remember Nidal Hasan, the U.S. Army officer who committed the Fort Hood massacre in 2009? He was a self-proclaimed supporter of jihad. But he was born right here in the United States, in Virginia.

J.S.K. on May 16, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Except, I can’t think of a better way to sabotage US troops then by being an illegal from a Muslim from a ME country and joining the military.

I also read recently, can’t remember where at the moment, that a huge percent of those attempting to join the armed forces are turned away. Shouldn’t those jobs be kept for unemployed Americans who want to defend our country?

hopeful on May 16, 2014 at 6:44 PM

In any sane and proud nation, serving in the military would be an honor extended solely to citizens of that nation. Period.

Such a policy not only reinforces the notion that military service is an exalted duty and honor, but it also guards against the possibility that the nation could one day be controlled by foreign mercenaries.

sartana on May 16, 2014 at 6:45 PM

There’s no necessary relationship between illegal aliens and jihadis.


J.S.K.
on May 16, 2014 at 6:22 PM

A major reason it is dangerous to have ILLEGAL aliens in our country, is because nobody knows who the ILLEGAL aliens really are and what their true motivations for violating our immigration laws might be.

Enforcing our Immigration laws so that people who want to enter our country have to follow a LEGAL process, helps to weed out the jihadis and any others who may want to cause harm to American citizens an legal residents.

wren on May 16, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Undocumented immigrants who serve in the military should be legalized. This should be a no-brainer. If you’re allowed to serve the United States in the military then why would you not be allowed to be a citizen?

mattmillburn on May 16, 2014 at 5:46 PM

They’re not allowed to serve in the military.

Legal resident aliens are, and they get already get expedited citizenship processing.

Buck Farky on May 16, 2014 at 6:45 PM

No branch of the U.S. Military has had a problem reaching their enlistment numbers for a long time.

bw222 on May 16, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Did I say that? Did you look into the average age of the people going in lately? They aren’t all kids right now.

And I wasn’t talking about that in general. I was saying that the military does look for other people who speak other languages. Last year, 20 illegals serving in the military in Alaska, became U.S. citizens.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:46 PM

The military turns away 4 of 5 potential recruits.
LIAR.
astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 6:27 PM

research it. You might be “enlightened”.
upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:30 PM

FACTS obviously don’t matter to folks whos narrative they disrupt

“Most people know that it is harder to enlist now than it was when the US military was in the midst of its surge in the Middle East, but now there are specific numbers.

A recent report in the Washington Times shows that of every 5 adults that try to enlist, 4 of them are turned away -that’s a 20% acceptance rate.”
http://army.com/blog/enlisting/military-accepting-fewer-applicants

and with the limited number of slots available going to gays, women that don’t belong in the positions they are given and soon illegals and transgenders, they are “fundamentally” destroying the apparatus to keep us safe.

Garyinaz66 on May 16, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Time to stop drinking coffee. Little wound up.

And just because the military is at quota, doesn’t mean it doesn’t go and look for people. Good grief.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:42 PM

Oh, I know it does. It does not NEED to look for them in the ranks of the ILLEGALS. If they do look outside the United States it is to fill special roles such as linguists and other professions which require a very specific and extremely rare talent. Keeping these people rare and well surrounded by plenty of patriotic Americans with arms ready.

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Retreat: Cantor blocks DREAM Act for military enlistees from defense bill

That’s like the arsonist firefighter. He starts it then takes credit for putting it out. What a scumbag.

Wigglesworth on May 16, 2014 at 6:51 PM

FACTS obviously don’t matter to folks whos narrative they disrupt

Garyinaz66 on May 16, 2014 at 6:47 PM

Whose… I think that is the word you are looking for.

And you are talking about people who are enlisting, not those who have already enlisted and are becoming citizens. Go google that.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:52 PM

thatsafactjack on May 16, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Where is there a reference for that legislation? I’ve looked at the Army and Navy recruiting pages and they both say Permanent Resident Alien only, temporary visas are not acceptable.

http://www.navycs.com/blogs/2011/02/02/navy-citizenship-requirements

Buck Farky on May 16, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Oh, I know it does. It does not NEED to look for them in the ranks of the ILLEGALS. If they do look outside the United States it is to fill special roles such as linguists and other professions which require a very specific and extremely rare talent. Keeping these people rare and well surrounded by plenty of patriotic Americans with arms ready.

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Look, usually you and I get along, for the most part, so I am not sure what the argument is about.

I know this is going on, last year I went to the naturalization ceremony for a friend and there was quite a few soldiers there. One from PR, another from Germany, one was from India who was born there and raised here as a teenager. I am not trying to be a jerk, but sometimes that is how it goes.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Look, usually you and I get along, for the most part, so I am not sure what the argument is about.

I know this is going on, last year I went to the naturalization ceremony for a friend and there was quite a few soldiers there. One from PR, another from Germany, one was from India who was born there and raised here as a teenager. I am not trying to be a jerk, but sometimes that is how it goes.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:55 PM

The problem here is that I do not agree that we need illegal aliens in the military. Whether it is currently happening or not. I do not care if they go to Germany and recruit some super brilliant mathematician or puerto rico and recruit some dude that can hack well and adds value to our cyber defenses. That sounds like a great plan and something I would totally be on board with. And after serving or during serving they should be granted citizenship.
My beef, and maybe I misread you is that you think we need illegal aliens to fill our military ranks.

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 7:01 PM

And I wasn’t talking about that in general. I was saying that the military does look for other people who speak other languages. Last year, 20 illegals serving in the military in Alaska, became U.S. citizens.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 6:46 PM

I don’t think having people that can speak Spanish fluently is a problem for the armed forces.

bw222 on May 16, 2014 at 7:01 PM

he’s genuinely fearful of what’s going to happen in the primary for his seat in Virginia next month.

I hope so.

cat_owner on May 16, 2014 at 7:05 PM

astonerii on May 16, 2014 at 7:01 PM

Probably. No worries.

But here is something to think about… those who live in our Territories. They can serve, and do not have to be U.S. citizens. Think about it.

upinak on May 16, 2014 at 7:07 PM

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