Sudan sentences pregnant Christian to death for apostasy

posted at 8:41 am on May 15, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

A pregnant woman faces the death penalty in Sudan for apostasy, after police discovered that she had been raised as a Christian despite the family’s identification as Muslim. Meriam Yehya Ibrahim also faces a sentence of flogging for marrying outside her religion, even though her husband is also Christian. The heart of both cases is the law forbidding the conversion of any Muslim to any other faith:

A Sudanese court has sentenced a Christian woman to death for renouncing Islam, her lawyer said Thursday.

Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, 27, was convicted by a Khartoum court this week of apostasy, or the renunciation of faith.

The court considers her to be Muslim.

She also was convicted of adultery.

Ibrahim’s lawyer Haram Othman told CNN that her legal team will appeal the verdict within 15 days.

According to the rights group Amnesty International, she was convicted of adultery because her marriage to a Christian man was considered void under Sharia law. She was sentenced to 100 lashes for the second crime.

The court gave her three days to reconvert to Islam or face death. The government of Sudan also insisted that this was normal justice in Islamic countries:

In what is said to be the first case of its kind in Sudan, Ibrahim was told by a court in the capital Khartoum on Sunday that she had three days to recant her faith or face death.

Ahmed Bilal Osman, Sudan’s Information minister, told the AFP news agency: “It’s not only Sudan. In Saudi Arabia, in all the Muslim countries, it is not allowed at all for a Muslim to change his religion.”

Western nations immediately protested the court’s ruling, as did Amnesty International, which is seeking to publicize the case:

“The fact that a woman could be sentenced to death for her religious choice, and to flogging for being married to a man of an allegedly different religion is abhorrent,” said Manar Idriss, Amnesty International’s Sudan researcher. “‘Adultery’ and ‘apostasy’ are acts which should not be considered crimes at all…It is flagrant breach of international human rights law.”

The Khartoum embassies of the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom and Holland expressed their opposition to the case in a joint statement.

The US has limited resources with which to act. We have diplomatic relations with Sudan and deliver a significant amount of humanitarian aid, but we have no ambassador to Sudan; the post has been vacant for a year or more. We have sanctions still in place from the Darfur conflict, although we are also working to mediate the remaining disputes in the settlement. We could squeeze Khartoum on aid, but that would almost certainly backfire on the US in terms of public relations.

Nevertheless, we need to keep pressure in some form on Sudan to reverse this decision. We should also pray for Meriam Yehya Ibrahim, and for true justice to be done.


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Prediction – no #SaveOurGirls hashtag “diplomacy” from the Left because they agree with the sentence.

Steve Eggleston on May 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM

“Yeah but Jesus did this one thing once.”

-weed

Bishop on May 15, 2014 at 8:45 AM

At least she won’t be punished with a baby.

/libtard

CurtZHP on May 15, 2014 at 8:47 AM

Religion of Peace.

Mimzey on May 15, 2014 at 8:51 AM

If muslims were subjected to such “justice” anywhere in the world there would be all sorts of riots, fatwas and death threats. Christians accept hatred and mistreatment wihtout returning it as something to be expected when you take up the cross.

KW64 on May 15, 2014 at 8:52 AM

But but but there is no war on Christians….

Religion of Peace my eye.

gophergirl on May 15, 2014 at 8:56 AM

“But, but, but,- the Inquisition!” says any American leftist confronted by Islamic barbarity.
/

Dolce Far Niente on May 15, 2014 at 8:58 AM

Maybe Oprah should do a reality show on this lady instead of Michael Sam

gophergirl on May 15, 2014 at 9:00 AM

Islam,

Preaching and Practicing tolerance since…

Where are the muslim sympathizers to tell us that this is some outlier and shouldn’t be accepted as reality? Also, I would like an example from one of them on the last time a christian converted to another religion and was executed for it.

JAGonzo on May 15, 2014 at 9:01 AM

McCain: “Send in the troops. hee hee hee.”

MaiDee on May 15, 2014 at 9:02 AM

Maybe Oprah should do a reality show on this lady instead of Michael Sam

gophergirl on May 15, 2014 at 9:00 AM

But don’t you know? He’s oh, so brave!
(Which is easy when you have an army of bullies that stand ready to hound from polite society anyone who doesn’t express full-throated celebration of where you like to stick it backing you up.)

CurtZHP on May 15, 2014 at 9:03 AM

#islamkills

Ricard on May 15, 2014 at 9:07 AM

Where is NOW now? No Where…

right2bright on May 15, 2014 at 9:08 AM

#DontKillHer

Now that I’ve done all I could, I feel better.

And that’s all that matters.

Skipity on May 15, 2014 at 9:08 AM

Terrible. Yet the liberals in this country turn a blind eye. I guess they don’t have a choice since they hate Christians so much. And they want Jesus to just go away.

Deckard BR on May 15, 2014 at 9:09 AM

SAVAGES!

faol on May 15, 2014 at 9:11 AM

The left only cares about equal pay or gay.

docflash on May 15, 2014 at 9:14 AM

Got to love religion. No worries. I’m sure the Christian God will save her.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 9:16 AM

When is Obama’s trial scheduled?

meci on May 15, 2014 at 9:18 AM

The heart of both cases is the law forbidding the conversion of any Muslim to any other faith

Is it any wonder there are so many Muslims in the world (1b+)? They’re afraid of the punishment for renouncing their faith.

heh

Mark Boabaca on May 15, 2014 at 9:18 AM

I don’t want to hear the Left crying about a War on Women anymore. Requiring women who are in the middle class and up to pay for their own birth control–or at least subject it to the restriction of a prescription-drug plan–doesn’t even rise to the level of signing up for Selective Service when compared to this.

BuckeyeSam on May 15, 2014 at 9:18 AM

Don’t we have some college students who love to protest? No, they would actually rather protest ladies who publicly oppose this type of kangaroo court. This woman, her husband and their child are indeed in my prayers but I worry just what it will take for the brats within our safe borders to buy a clue?

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 9:21 AM

Where were all you people and your selective outrage when King Philip II and King Richard I (rich, white, males) were butchering innocent brown people?

Exactly.

Frank Lib on May 15, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Got to love religion. No worries. I’m sure the Christian God will save her.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Yes. Yes he will.

“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” – Matthew 10:28

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 9:22 AM

Yes. Yes he will.

“And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” – Matthew 10:28

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 9:22 AM

He already has.

CurtZHP on May 15, 2014 at 9:25 AM

Got to love religion. No worries. I’m sure the Christian God will save her.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Probably won’t help, but one never knows. A nice five-minute witness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42nMkSNmCzM

BuckeyeSam on May 15, 2014 at 9:25 AM

The future does not belong to those who insult the prophet

rodeoclownmonkey on May 15, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Thge left’s indentity politics mathmatically:

White liberal > Nonwhite liberal > Islam >Gay male > Gay female >Terrorist > Undocumented citizen > Black female > Black male > White female > Christian > White male > unborn child

Thus we can expect no media coverage or general concern on the part of our current ruling elites on this issue.

Skwor on May 15, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Let me be the first to denounce this woman as an Islamophobe and protest any and all commencement gigs she may be offered in the future.

When Sharia comes to America, won’t you want to be on the right side of History too?

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Sudan sentences pregnant Christian to death for apostasy

And these people breathe the same air as me??

ToddPA on May 15, 2014 at 9:28 AM

He already has.

CurtZHP on May 15, 2014 at 9:25 AM

You’re right. It’s a done deal. :)

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 9:28 AM

Got to love religion. No worries. I’m sure the Christian God will save her.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 9:16 AM

So when a non-Christian religious government imposes an unjust cruel death sentence on a woman for a personal choice your first reaction is to insult the Christian religion?

WOW nice set of ethics and morality you have there. Are you proud of using a woman’s pain unto death as a tool for your personal self-gratifying insults of other peoples beliefs?

Skwor on May 15, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Got to love religion. No worries. I’m sure the Christian God will save her.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 9:16 AM

I get your sarcasm. Because, as we all know, this sort of thing happens all the time in countries with Christian majorities.

WarEagle01 on May 15, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Liberals: To assuage your uncomfortable feelings about Muslims again killing Christians, just think of this sentence as an abortion by unconventional means. I mean, the woman refused to convert back to Islam, thereby condemning herself to death. That’s suicide, right? So, abortion via suicide — perfectly OK under the Progressive Canon.

Whew! This woman is simply empowering herself.

Nomennovum on May 15, 2014 at 9:36 AM

Weak religions kill those who won’t believe.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:43 AM

I get your sarcasm. Because, as we all know, this sort of thing happens all the time in countries with Christian majorities.

WarEagle01 on May 15, 2014 at 9:33 AM

Just to be fair and balanced. The Catholic Church has killed their fair share.

Some 50 million plus throughout their history.

Many of those were Christians.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

And we’re off!

CurtZHP on May 15, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Got to love religion Islam.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 9:16 AM

FIFY

Ricard on May 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM

The government of Sudan also insisted that this was normal justice in Islamic countries:

Worthless bunch of squirts. Cowards. The lot of you.

Bmore on May 15, 2014 at 9:54 AM

America shouldn’t say anything when they are now in the business of not just shielding, but promoting Islam around the world.

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2014 at 9:57 AM

Just to be fair and balanced. The Catholic Church has killed their fair share.

Some 50 million plus throughout their history.

Many of those were Christians.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Just a complete and total flat out lie…..but that’s what leftists do best….well that and destroy everything good that they encounter

Caseoftheblues on May 15, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Just to be fair and balanced. The Catholic Church has killed their fair share.

Some 50 million plus throughout their history.

Many of those were Christians.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

This is such a dickwad position. Fine dickwad, but who is doing all the killing today?

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2014 at 9:59 AM

Frank Lib on May 15, 2014 at 9:22 AM

I obviously need to use more moisturizer. //

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Just to be fair and balanced. The Catholic Church has killed their fair share.

Some 50 million plus throughout their history.

Many of those were Christians.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Excuse me if I’m a little skeptical of your accounting techniques…

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 10:01 AM

When Sharia comes to America, won’t you want to be on the right side of History too?

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 9:26 AM

It’s already here. Happy Hijab day!

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Just to be fair and balanced. The Catholic Church has killed their fair share.

Some 50 million plus throughout their history.

Many of those were Christians.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Just a complete and total flat out lie…..but that’s what leftists do best….well that and destroy everything good that they encounter

Caseoftheblues on May 15, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Bigbullets may be a wackjob, but doesn’t come off as a leftest.

Also his stat looks valid in this case.

Skipity on May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

A family from my church has been doing mission work in the South Sudan for a little over a year. They’ve planted a number of churches, and have been very encouraged by the number of people they’ve encountered, who want to learn about Christ, and accept Him into their lives.

HarryBackside on May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Sing it brother! We all know that over the last two thousand years there are well over a half dozen examples of so-called Christians killing someone or another.

…and now these same so-called Christians get their panties twisted over a handful of random questionable Muslim incidents.

They just don’t understand the simple and basic concept that if a member of your group commits an offense (past or present), you automatically forfeit all rights to criticize any member of any other group for any reason whatsoever. You just have to laugh at them.

Frank Lib on May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Just to be fair and balanced. The Catholic Church has killed their fair share.

Some 50 million plus throughout their history.

Many of those were Christians.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Assume for the moment that you are absolutely right. Now, with that thought in mind, explain how two wrongs add up to a right.

unclesmrgol on May 15, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Just to be fair and balanced. The Catholic Church has killed their fair share.

Some 50 million 500 billion plus throughout their history.

Many of those were Christians.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 9:46 AM

Troll big or troll home.

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 10:04 AM

Jim56 aka banned jimbo3 rejoices.

Murphy9 on May 15, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Yeah! And where were those Christianists when Cane killed Abel?

vnvet on May 15, 2014 at 10:06 AM

It’s already here. Happy Hijab day!

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

You lie! Just checked Google’s home page and I don’t see no Happy Hijab Day doodle…

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Here is America behind the scenes respecting Islam and being its defender.

BL@KBIRD on May 15, 2014 at 10:14 AM

Boko Harem are Obama’s Boos.

You twerking harlots cannot wake up out of your choom coma.

You’ll lose your empty heads soon enough.

Murphy9 on May 15, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Also his stat looks valid in this case.

Skipity on May 15, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Based on what? How does a stat “look valid”?

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 10:16 AM

“The US has limited resources with which to act”

What else is new? How about #Let out girl live

Techster64 on May 15, 2014 at 10:19 AM

seems to me the humanitarian aid should stop as we’re basically underwriting these practices.

dmacleo on May 15, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Muslims feel offended when someone they thought was a Muslim turns out to be a Christian. They are hurt. It makes them sad.

They have legitimate feelings of hurt and outrage.

The feelings Christians have, like loving Jesus and stuff, are offensive, illegitimate feelings that need to be punished.

The Left here in the West understands the Muslim unhappiness with these kinds of things, and they understand we need to respect Muslim culture and beliefs.

The Left (Democrats, socialists and GOPe) wish all of you right wing extremists with your illegitimate feelings would stop being so mean and intolerant.

Yes, the term “moral insanity” doesn’t quite adequately describe the magnitude of their derangement.

fadetogray on May 15, 2014 at 10:32 AM

The future does not belong to those who insult the prophet

rodeoclownmonkey on May 15, 2014 at 9:26 AM

Exactly. Our President said it. He supports this.

“The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam.” – President Barack Obama to the UN Assembly after Benghazi

By that standard, the way Muslim culture defines what Obama said to them at the UN (and Obama, having been raised in the culture knows this), this woman has slandered the Prophet of Islam.

Killing her will make sure the future does not belong to her.

“Oh, no! That’s not what Obama meant!!” – said in chorus by all the brainless leftwing f**kwits

fadetogray on May 15, 2014 at 10:40 AM

The government of Sudan also insisted that this was normal justice in Islamic countries:

Be nice if CAIR’s Ibraham Hooper could be asked if this is true.

butch on May 15, 2014 at 10:55 AM

There are many people in this world who believe Christian doctrine is somehow a sign of weakness. They see the meekness,kindness, charity and simpleness as a weakness to be exploited and destroyed. They see the lack of a response from our government as a sanction for their evil behavior- that somehow it is acceptable and will go unanswered.

But what they don’t realize is that over the course of history, nothing has been more destructive or fierce than Christians facing existential threats. When people have reached their fill and retribution is calling it will not only be ugly, but involve a measure of destruction people will remember for a long time.

Marcus Traianus on May 15, 2014 at 11:03 AM

So when a non-Christian religious government imposes an unjust cruel death sentence on a woman for a personal choice your first reaction is to insult the Christian religion?

WOW nice set of ethics and morality you have there. Are you proud of using a woman’s pain unto death as a tool for your personal self-gratifying insults of other peoples beliefs?

Skwor on May 15, 2014 at 9:33 AM

What Sudan is doing speaks for itself: it’s repugnant and reprehensible. It is religious faith taken to the most ridiculous extreme.

That said, where is the Christian God to save this woman? I mean if he can show favor on Tim Tebow surely he can show some on this woman. I mean she is in this situation on account of him right? Why seek a diplomatic solution when you guys have your God who protects you?

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Of course this is Normal Justice in Islamic countries.

Only western liberals try to pretend that it isn’t.

Tom Servo on May 15, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Was Jonestown a religion of peace? People weren’t allowed to leave there either….

jjjdad on May 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

You poor depraved, craven, reprobate.

Murphy9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM

You poor depraved, craven, reprobate.

Murphy9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:13 AM

Asking why you seek a diplomatic solution for something your “all-powerful” God could take care all by himself makes me a “reprobate”?

Got it.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:20 AM

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

There is a woman, with child, being sentenced to death for no other reason than she is a Christian and you think its funny?

Wow. Just wow.

jjjdad on May 15, 2014 at 11:21 AM

Just a complete and total flat out lie…..but that’s what leftists do best….well that and destroy everything good that they encounter

Caseoftheblues on May 15, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Wish it was. Many are ignorant of the history of the Catholic Church.

Families burned at the stake by the Jesuits because they wouldn’t baptize their babies?

Read Foxe’s Book of Martyrs and look at what people suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:23 AM

jjjdad on May 15, 2014 at 11:11 AM

Operative word there is “was”. Do you actually think Jonestown was Christian? Somehow I have trouble equating “Peoples Temple Agricultural Project” with any church teaching about Jesus Christ.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:24 AM

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

What has always fascinated me about anti-theists is how impassioned they are when talking about God- its as if they were fascinated by Him, they just Can’t. Get Enough. of talking about Him.

In case you didn’t know. mazer9- the opposite of love of God is not hatred. Its indifference, an emotion you are not experiencing.

Dolce Far Niente on May 15, 2014 at 11:24 AM

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Would an atheist woman in Sudan have it any better?

Vera71 on May 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM

I have had people say to me that the Catholic Church killed as many as 63 million people during the Inquisition. The problem is, the entire population of Europe at any given time during the 15th and 16th centuries, when the Inquisition was the most active, is estimated to have been around 30-35 million people. So, did the Inquisition kill the entire population of Europe twice over? I don’t think so.

NancyWhisky on May 15, 2014 at 11:26 AM

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Just like a liberal, demanding that the government or God grant them all their needs and wishes. Do you still wipe your own butt?

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Excuse me if I’m a little skeptical of your accounting techniques…

Herod on May 15, 2014 at 10:01 AM

That’s OK.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Actually this whole blog post is worthwhile. Especially the last paragraph.

http://www.menofstjoseph.com/blog/?p=95

Finally, one needs to consider that over a period of 450 years, in medieval Europe, approximately 5000 people who were tried in Inquisition courts received the death penalty. Over a period of 38 years, since the Roe v. Wade court case, in the modern day United States of America, approximately 50 million people, who were never given a trial, have received the death penalty. Who should be judging whom?

NancyWhisky on May 15, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Would an atheist woman in Sudan have it any better?

Vera71 on May 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM

I doubt it. Difference being we atheist don’t claim to have a loving god who protects us from such things.

Christians are always witnessing as to the “goodness” of their God.

Well here is a great opportunity for him to show it.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:24 AM

I was not equating Jonestown with teachings of Christ.

Think about the other religion in this story…

jjjdad on May 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I have had people say to me that the Catholic Church killed as many as 63 million people during the Inquisition. The problem is, the entire population of Europe at any given time during the 15th and 16th centuries, when the Inquisition was the most active, is estimated to have been around 30-35 million people. So, did the Inquisition kill the entire population of Europe twice over? I don’t think so.

NancyWhisky on May 15, 2014 at 11:26 AM

If you start at 600 AD until after the reformation, it’s not implausible.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM

I doubt it. Difference being we atheist don’t claim to have a loving god who protects us from such things.

Christians are always witnessing as to the “goodness” of their God.

Well here is a great opportunity for him to show it.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

Maybe you’d like to explain what it is you think God should do.

This’ll be good. We’ll wait.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

jjjdad on May 15, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Thanks for the clarification.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

The best way to deal with these countries with stone age governments is to leave them in the stone age. Allow no trading whatsoever with the West. No need to intervene militarily. Just cut them off from any outside resources. Eventually enough people will be tired of living in the stone age that they’ll overthrow the government and beg for an end to the blockade.

Texas Zombie on May 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:30 AM

So if you are going this route, there is still the obvious other player in the story. Satan.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Maybe you’d like to explain what it is you think God should do.

This’ll be good. We’ll wait.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

As a believer, what would your expectations be of your God if you found yourself in the same situation?

Again, if he answers Tebow’s prayers, why not hers?

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Assume for the moment that you are absolutely right. Now, with that thought in mind, explain how two wrongs add up to a right.

unclesmrgol on May 15, 2014 at 10:04 AM

It doesn’t, both are wrong.

Why is that when religion is in charge of Government things tend to go poorly?

Thankfully there was a Baptist preacher named John Leland who made sure that didn’t happen in America.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Texas Zombie on May 15, 2014 at 11:33 AM

That works as long as the people are aware of what if possible for them. Never having been to these places, I am just not sure of the breadth of their knowledge of what their lives could be.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM

The Psychiatrist is in. 5¢

Murphy9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:38 AM

That works as long as the people are aware of what if possible for them. Never having been to these places, I am just not sure of the breadth of their knowledge of what their lives could be.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Bring a few hundred of them on a tour of the US every year. Let their eyes be opened and then send them back to spread the news.

Texas Zombie on May 15, 2014 at 11:40 AM

So if you are going this route, there is still the obvious other player in the story. Satan.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Satan might be “obvious” to you.

To me it begs the question as to why would God corrupt his own creation by introducing “Satan” and then giving him all these powers that makes doing the job even easier?

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM

As a believer, what would your expectations be of your God if you found yourself in the same situation?

Again, if he answers Tebow’s prayers, why not hers?

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:35 AM

I would hope God would do what would bring Him glory. If my death brought him glory, then I would gladly die. If saving my life brought God glory, then I would gladly live.

Many of the Christians who were burned at the stake by the Catholic Church suffered no pain. Instead of crying in agony, they sang praise to God. God gave them grace in death. You should read Foxe’s Book of Martyrs.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM

I would hope God would do what would bring Him glory.

Precisely why Christians pray nightly for “God to do whatever brings you glory”.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:42 AM

What Sudan is doing speaks for itself: it’s repugnant and reprehensible. It is religious faith taken to the most ridiculous extreme.

That said, where is the Christian God to save this woman? I mean if he can show favor on Tim Tebow surely he can show some on this woman. I mean she is in this situation on account of him right? Why seek a diplomatic solution when you guys have your God who protects you?

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Sorry I am not going to allow you to reframe your disgusting joy at using a pregnant woman’s death to insult others beliefs.

Own the fact that you are so devoid of empathy and compassion that you are excited to use the death of a pregnant woman to further your personal hatred of others who believe differently then you.

I feel filthy just responding to you given the depravity of your position and posts.

Skwor on May 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Texas Zombie on May 15, 2014 at 11:40 AM

I remember Neil Boortz telling a story about a guest from the Soviet Union that he and his wife had. They took her to the grocery store and she just stood there and sobbed. I can imagine people thinking that it is an entirely different planet.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Those who can’t handle the truth,
try to silence those who speak it.

Red Pill on June 7, 2008 at 2:12 PM

ITguy on May 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Satan might be “obvious” to you.

To me it begs the question as to why would God corrupt his own creation by introducing “Satan” and then giving him all these powers that makes doing the job even easier?

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM

Go learn some basic theology first, these are posits even serious critics do not raise becuase they are logically and reasonably addressed in the theology of christianity.

You reasoning is worse than a child’s trying to tell a physicist how quantum mechanics works.

Skwor on May 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:41 AM

You are the one subscribing outcomes based on God’s will. He gave man free will and we must work to fight injustices. So instead of finding a reason to scoff, why not join the fight? I don’t care if you are a believer, that’s for your benefit, not mine. Any voice added to the chorus will make it louder.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM

Just give it a rest with the constant grievance politics.

libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Precisely why Christians pray nightly for “God to do whatever brings you glory”.

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:42 AM

You find this idea to be quite strange, don’t you?

God isn’t my servant to do my bidding. Or anyone else’s for that matter.

If He is God, then He deserves all the Glory.
And as His creation, we owe him all the glory.

People have no problem giving glory to athletes and movie stars who’ve done nothing by entertain us. But somehow they bristle at the idea of giving glory to the Creator of the universe.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

You find this idea to be quite strange, don’t you?

God isn’t my servant to do my bidding. Or anyone else’s for that matter.

If He is God, then He deserves all the Glory.
And as His creation, we owe him all the glory.

People have no problem giving glory to athletes and movie stars who’ve done nothing by entertain us. But somehow they bristle at the idea of giving glory to the Creator of the universe.

Bigbullets on May 15, 2014 at 11:52 AM

So God is there to provide for you until he isn’t?

mazer9 on May 15, 2014 at 11:57 AM

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