Rand Paul on voter ID: It’s a matter of emphasis, not a matter of abandoning the policy

posted at 11:21 am on May 14, 2014 by Allahpundit

After two posts devoted to parsing what Paul believes about this issue, you deserve to hear it from the man himself. Here he is yesterday, via the Right Scoop, telling Hannity that voter ID belongs on the GOP’s policy stove but on the back burner with the heat turned down. Money quote:

PAUL: Like I say, I think both sides have made mistakes in…this issue. But it’s mainly in presentation and perception, not in reality. In the sense that, if Republicans are going to go around the country and this becomes a central theme and issue, you have to realize, rightly or wrongly, it is being perceived by some — and this is the point I was making and I think it’s still a valid point, that I’m trying to go out and say to African Americans ‘I want your vote and the Republican Party wants your vote’. If they perceive, rightly or wrongly, that showing their ID is an attempt to get them not to vote because they perceive it in the lineage of a time when it truly did happen through poll taxes and questioning to try and prevent people, if they perceive it that way, we have to be aware that the perception is out there and be careful about not so overdoing something that we further alienate a block of people we need to attract.

Re-read that last sentence. That’s basically the same rationale amnesty fans have used to justify comprehensive immigration reform. Latinos, the theory goes, are “deaf” to Republican policy proposals because they’ve been alienated by the GOP’s opposition to illegal immigration and some of the rhetoric (“self-deportation”) surrounding it. If you want to make inroads with them electorally, you need to get past that threshold obstacle. Likewise for voter ID and blacks, Paul’s saying. Note the difference in approach, though. In the case of Latinos and immigration, Republicans seem to have concluded that no amount of “messaging” is going to solve their problem. They need to change their policies, which explains why every Republican with national aspirations — Paul included — supports some sort of immigration overhaul that would make it easier for illegals to stay. In the case of voter ID, for whatever reason, Paul seems to have come to the opposite conclusion, that if he talks enough about sentencing reform for drug crimes and re-enfranchising nonviolent felons, he can continue to support voter ID and still win a higher-than-expected share of black votes. Whether you think that’s true or not depends on many variables — Paul’s retail skills, who his opponent is, Democratic counter-messaging to blacks about Paul’s view of the Civil Rights Act and his father’s newsletter, etc — but it raises the real possibility that Paul will eventually conclude, a la immigration, that the outreach barrier is insuperable unless and until the GOP changes its policy, not just its message. And that means abandoning voter ID entirely.

To return to a point I made yesterday, though, maybe all of this is less about Paul seriously believing that he can win black votes and more about re-branding himself for both the primaries and the general election. He was initially going to run as the right-winger in the race, I think, but now that Cruz has come on, he’s re-positioning as “a different kind of Republican.” That was always going to be an undertone of his campaign given his libertarian pedigree but now it’s become more of a major theme. Whether you’re a centrist Republican, “somewhat conservative,” or full-on tea partier, if you’re disgusted with the state of the GOP, Rand’s the guy who’s going to give you something different on pretty much everything except federal spending. (And given how much establishment Republicans have spent over the years, lower spending actually qualifies as something different too.) If he makes it through to the general election, Democrats will put all of their energy into kookifying him as the most retrograde politician in America, someone who wants to time-travel back to before the New Deal when it comes to the welfare state and back to before the Civil Rights Act on racial matters. Rand knows that’s coming, which is why his outreach to blacks is so dogged even though it’s all but certain to be futile: The gesture itself is politically useful to him down the road in reassuring whites that he’s not the gargoyle Democrats say he is, even if it doesn’t reassure blacks. To be honest, I think he’d be happy to jettison voter ID altogether in the interest of making that gesture more broadly if not for the fact that it’s a sort of litmus test in the GOP primaries. He needs some conservative votes to win. If he “evolves” on voter ID now to impress Democrats, righties will conclude that he can’t be trusted not to pander to them if elected and that’ll ruin him. So he’s leaving the issue on the stove. Just on very low heat.


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The DIABLOs and Jeantels of HA will sh*t their pants/panties now.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2014 at 11:22 AM

OK, if he’s talking about messaging, then it has to be understood, which is the party of poll taxes and vote fraud.

Sounds like a job for Ted Cruz.

formwiz on May 14, 2014 at 11:24 AM

“If they perceive, rightly or wrongly, that showing their ID is an attempt to get them not to vote because they perceive it in the lineage of a time when it truly did happen through poll taxes and questioning to try and prevent people”

Yeah that’s it. Good grief.

lowandslow on May 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Ah, more nuance from Paul the Younger. It’s getting to be a regular thing, lately.

ConservativeLA on May 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM

So, have your foot-in-mouth comments deemphasized the issue? I’m thinking not. I’m thinking you have given brain dead liberals an excuse for screaming ‘racism’, and pissed off the rest of us. And amazingly on an issue in which over 80% of Americans want voter I.D. This juvenile pandering is starting to turn my stomach.

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:26 AM

be careful about not so overdoing something that we further alienate a block of people we need to attract.

Blacks?

He actually thinks Republicans can make inroads into the black community? He is delusional.

He is pandering to a committed Democratic group and tossing aside principles to do so.

sharrukin on May 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

So Paul feels that there should be no emphasis on preventing voter fraud? Makes me want to check out his possible election shenanigans.

He will never make a decent president.

RoadRunner on May 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Anonymous blogger not so subtly pushing agenda against Rand.

iwasbornwithit on May 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Yep, “re- branding”….LOL

d1carter on May 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM

USA, USA!!!

13 billion were sent, illegally, as “tax credits”, the IG just reported…most of it to illegal aliens.

How many voted for obama, twice?

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2014 at 11:30 AM

I wishy, he wasn’t so washy.

hawkdriver on May 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

The problem with his remarks is that he’s lending credence to the notion that wanting people people to show ID to vote is somehow racist, or may disenfranchise certain folks.

And why is he in the presidential discussion, anyway? We’ve had our fill of first term senators running the country lately, thanks (goes for Rubio, Cruz, and other such legislators, too).

changer1701 on May 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Rather than admitting, and accepting, that the Democrat play of the race card re Voter ID is working, Paul should be working to counter their false meme and calling out the callous use of the race card by the left.

Athos on May 14, 2014 at 11:32 AM

Blacks?

He actually thinks Republicans can make inroads into the black community? He is delusional.

He is pandering to a committed Democratic group and tossing aside principles to do so.

sharrukin on May 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Which begs the question: Shouldn’t he be out there demanding a constitutional amendment to prevent state recognition of gay marriage? After all, he is courting black voters, right? And which demographic is the most opposed to state recognition of gay marriages?

Methinks Paul might be a leftist in sheep’s clothing.

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Anonymous blogger not so subtly pushing agenda against Rand.

iwasbornwithit on May 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

I was wondering if he had jumped the shark with this one.

Perhaps this is a bit too much even for his audience?

joana on May 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

I want to know why it is so damned hard for blacks to get state-issued ID of some sort. Are they really that lazy, slow, or immobile?

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM

Here’s what bothers me about politicians with Rand, their first instinct is to legitimize the left’s position. Why not just say that in this day and age there is no reason somebody over the age of eighteen can’t get a state issued photo ID and end it there. There isn’t a black person under the age of seventy that truly believes that showing an ID equates to a poll tax, so quit bringing it up.

lowandslow on May 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

It’s a matter of fence-straddling, issue-blurring, and pandering, not policy.

Lolo on May 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

Methinks Paul might be a leftist in sheep’s clothing.

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

I think the whole pack of politicians are grifters in sheep’s clothing. They will be whatever fills their pockets with cash and that is currently the moneyed crowd in Washington DC.

sharrukin on May 14, 2014 at 11:35 AM

The problem with his remarks is that he’s lending credence to the notion that wanting people people to show ID to vote is somehow racist, or may disenfranchise certain folks.

changer1701 on May 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Let’s be accurate, okay? D@mn right we want to disenfranchise certain folks. That would be aliens, both legal and illegal, because they should not have been enfranchised in the first place (thank you, motor voter crap sandwich).

We definitely need a big purge. Whose country is this, anyway?

platypus on May 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

if Republicans are going to go around the country and this becomes a central theme and issue

Why must you continue to use strawmen? Good God Rand, you are proving yourself to be a moron.

nobar on May 14, 2014 at 11:37 AM

I wishy, he wasn’t so washy.

hawkdriver on May 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

Heh. Don’t you think we should hear him out on all sides of every issue?

de rigueur on May 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM

Bill Clinton, for goodness sakes, thinks Voter ID is a good idea.

So does Jimmy Carter.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Anonymous blogger not so subtly pushing agenda against Rand.

iwasbornwithit on May 14, 2014 at 11:29 AM

Blogger just pointing out that Rand is as smooth as Carney and obama.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2014 at 11:41 AM

So does Jimmy Carter.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2014 at 11:39 AM

Uh oh…

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

Weasels, from both sides, pretzelling themselves. You embraced Rand the other day for “being nuanced” on voter ID.

Welfare checks can’t be collected without IDs.

Try going to Disneyland without IDs.

Fly.

Collect or do anything, other than vote, without IDs.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Uh oh…

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:42 AM

He did back in 2000-2008 before the he capitulated.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

If he “evolves” on voter ID now to impress Democrats, righties will conclude that he can’t be trusted not to pander to them if elected and that’ll ruin him. So he’s leaving the issue on the stove. Just on very low heat.

Well that’s the smear that’s sold here daily. That even though he has never “evolved” on any policy issue . . . ever . . . and neither did his father in 30 years that somehow these rhetorical gestures signal a policy change.

I don’t for a second believe that the intelligentsia on the right (such that it is) has any real policy problem with Paul other than the likelihood that he would cut defense spending and start to dismantle the surveillance state.

But that’s a huge issue. Follow the money.

That’s why Bill Crystal et al rails against Paul: it’s what they are paid to do by defense contractor lobbyists.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Rand: If you want to answer this the right way, lie about it and then do the opposite when you are elected…

This is now acceptable according to the last two elections…

PatriotRider on May 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM

Look at that. Another allahpundit post about Ted Cruz masquerading as a rand Paul one. If rand Paul did not exist Allah would need to invent him. I hope Allah at least made a donation to the rand paul PAC as a thank you for things to write about.

coolrepublica on May 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM

Walk Back.

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

If he “evolves” on voter ID now to impress Democrats, righties will conclude that he can’t be trusted not to pander to them if elected and that’ll ruin him. So he’s leaving the issue on the stove. Just on very low heat.

I think he already evolved

If a pol was serious about voter ID, he would let the black community know they are being marginalized by illegal aliens voting via motor voter.

Of course, then Paul would lose the illegal alien vote

This isnt a fun experience, watching Paul morph, into something less than his original image

entagor on May 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

…it depends….what the definition of “IS”….is!

KOOLAID2 on May 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Over 80 % of the public thinks voter ID is necessary. It’s a winning issue and the right thing to do.

Ta111 on May 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

I know of no black person who is alienated by prospective voter ID laws. None. It is a Big Lie which paid Leftists squeal about. And Senator Paul is being suckered by them.

baldilocks on May 10, 2014 at 10:44 AM

FIFY.

Skipity on May 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

If you have no emphasis, you have no policy.

Rand is not able to lead.

faraway on May 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

It’s a matter of emphasis

This is part of the new RINO Rat Dance around the illegal alien issue.By demanding LESS ID for the vitally important duty of voting than is required of the casual COSTCO shopper puts Republican candidates (in states such as Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada and Georgia, whicch have heavy illegal alien population)in serious jeopardy since thousands of illegals become ‘de facto’ voters. And any challenge to their dubious qualifications to vote is quickly drowned by the familiar outcry of “RAAAAAAACISM” .

Unfortunately, I fear, Rand Paul is starting to cave on an issue which has absolutely no upside for Republicans—ever!

MaiDee on May 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

How ironic that he complains about messaging…

…with poor messaging.

Bigbullets on May 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Our most fundamental civic right is the right to vote. Voter fraud is a direct threat to that right. Regardless, I can’t imagine the state of mind I’d be in if forced to pull the lever for Rand Paul.

Immolate on May 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

If he thinks this will gain him votes in the black community, then his entire premise is faulty. He’s going by what left-leaning groups in the black community are telling him.

Tell him to do a listening tour of the same type as Tim Scott. Then he’d find out what the real issues for people in the black community.

Much better ways to approach this than the approach he is taking.

lineholder on May 14, 2014 at 11:53 AM

Look at that. Another allahpundit post about Ted Cruz masquerading as a rand Paul one. If rand Paul did not exist Allah would need to invent him. I hope Allah at least made a donation to the rand paul PAC as a thank you for things to write about.

coldpubichair on May 14, 2014 at 11:48 AM

…and then…what would you have to piss and post about?

KOOLAID2 on May 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

If a pol was serious about voter ID, he would let the black community know they are being marginalized by illegal aliens voting via motor voter.

entagor on May 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Riiiiiiiight . . . this white guy senator from KY is gonna be like “shutup darkie, you’re WRONG. Here’s why . . .”

That’ll work.

Much better approach than “I see where you’re coming from but disagree. Let’s talk about the things we DO agree about.”

/sarc

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

After two posts devoted to parsing what Paul believes about this issue, you deserve to hear it from the man himself. Here he is yesterday, via the Right Scoop, telling Hannity that voter ID belongs on the GOP’s policy stove but on the back burner with the heat turned down.

This sounds like something that’ll never get touched. I mean, he’d have to keep it on the down low before the election to be sure, right, else moderates panic and the media gets offended. So he’d tackle it in his first term?

Dongemaharu on May 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

How is the Right putting undue “emphasis” on this issue? Let’s review:

Step 1: The Right proposes common sense voter ID laws supported by large majorities of all races.

Step 2: Liberals go ballistic, realizing that they will lose their vote fraud margin if these laws are put into place, and therefore call Republicans “racists” for trying to strip minorities of the franchise.

Step 3: Rand Paul affirms that phantom minorities are upset by Republican undue “emphasis” on this issue–although, in fact, most minorities AGREE with the common sense policies advanced by the Right.

Maybe Rand needs to stop sucking up to audiences at Harvard and realize the rest of civilization agrees with the Right on this issue.

will77jeff on May 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

I know of no black person who is alienated by prospective voter ID laws. None. It is a Big Lie which paid Leftists squeal about. And Senator Paul is being suckered by them.
baldilocks on May 10, 2014 at 10:44 AM

FIFY.

Skipity on May 10, 2014 at 10:45 AM

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:50 AM

wow- good one NC- missed it.
He has no idea who baldilocks is.

bazil9 on May 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Rand is not able to lead.

faraway on May 14, 2014 at 11:51 AM

But he’s got cute hair. Just saying.

platypus on May 14, 2014 at 11:55 AM

The problem with his remarks is that he’s lending credence to the notion that wanting people people to show ID to vote is somehow racist, or may disenfranchise certain folks.

changer1701 on May 14, 2014 at 11:31 AM

That’s hardly new.

“Compassionate Conservatism” ring a bell?

ebrown2 on May 14, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Turd Polishing 101

There. I saved everyone the nonsensical 14 dimensional chess analysis.

Augustinian on May 14, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Well that’s the smear that’s sold here daily. That even though he has never “evolved” on any policy issue . . . ever . . . and neither did his father in 30 years that somehow these rhetorical gestures signal a policy change.

I don’t for a second believe that the intelligentsia on the right (such that it is) has any real policy problem with Paul other than the likelihood that he would cut defense spending and start to dismantle the surveillance state.

But that’s a huge issue. Follow the money.

That’s why Bill Crystal et al rails against Paul: it’s what they are paid to do by defense contractor lobbyists.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 11:46 AM

You’re paid to post this tripe, right?

Bigbullets on May 14, 2014 at 11:55 AM

opps..didn’t include the strike in the paste.

bazil9 on May 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Unions swear by voter ID in their elections.

Wigglesworth on May 14, 2014 at 11:56 AM

Rand Paul, carrying the water for the water carrying media for the Democrat talking points.
The simple answer is.
The constitution invests the power of voting laws to the states. It is not a federal issue.
This should come naturally to a supposedly libertarian politician. Instead, he legitimizes the racist charge.

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 11:54 AM

BTW, I don’t buy the notion that “the black vote” is something worth chasing: %13 of the population.

baldilocks on May 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Well that’s just a super attitude.

I wonder how minorities get the idea that Conservatives don’t care about them.

Total freaking Mystery, there.

Skipity on May 10, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Sometimes it’s fun watching a hole be dug.

NotCoach on May 10, 2014 at 11:27 AM

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM

If Paul wants the black vote, perhaps he can start out with something along the lines of:

“Aww don’t feel noways tired. I’ve come too faarrr from where I started frum.”

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 11:59 AM

I like Rand, but he is off on this subject. The only reason there is race involved is the Dem’s made it about race. The laws are actually race neutral.

Tater Salad on May 14, 2014 at 12:00 PM

From baldilocks, a blogger and Hot Air commenter:

And, today, Senator Paul seems to be saying “let’s not drop it, but let’s keep it on the down-low.”

It’s really tough to listen to politicians “debate” issues like voter ID as if a solid foundation for debate actually exists. It’s equally tough to watch as reasonably sane politicians like Senator Paul kowtow to the bought and paid-for Leftist shills as they tell him what the Organized Left—their masters–want.

The Organized Left wants anyone and everyone—citizen or not—to be able to vote and to do so as many times as desired. That ability makes voter fraud easier and voter ID laws prevent these frauds. And, since there is no above-board reason to oppose voter ID, one has to be fabricated. Racism charges always work.

Amen to that.

TarheelBen on May 14, 2014 at 12:00 PM

BTW, I don’t buy the notion that “the black vote” is something worth chasing: %13 of the population.

baldilocks on May 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM

The problem is that you can’t chase the black vote and still hold certain conservative principles. Too many blacks like their free stuff and the minute a candidate starts talking about scaling back on the welfare they’ll scream racist!

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 12:02 PM

Sometimes it’s fun watching a hole be dug.

NotCoach on May 10, 2014 at 11:27 AM

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:57 AM

…he’s using a ‘back-hoe’… and not a shovel!

KOOLAID2 on May 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM

How many fights have conservatives won while hedging, whispering, apologizing and backing up, while the left attacked with “RACIST!”?

Would “none” be about right?

Rand knows this too. He’s adopting a guaranteed issue-posing posture because he’s quit, and he’s trying to retain support from the base in return for nothing.

Ronald Reagan: “Our people look for a cause to believe in. Is it a third party we need, or is it a new and revitalized second party, raising a banner of no pale pastels, but bold colors which make it unmistakably clear where we stand on all of the issues troubling the people?”

In his day, a Republican Party of “no pale pastels, but bold colors” was a real possibility, and he proved it.

Now? Things have changed.

David Blue on May 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM

As one of the long-time Rand supporters on HA, let me see this.

The message he picked up about Voter ID was from the black colleges. They’ve been debating him about it in terms of historical context, not modern application.

So he’s gone off the reservation because he allowed them to change the context of Voter ID.

He’s not arguing as the majority see it – modernizing a law so it meets today’s ID-centric world – but as the higher educated black community perceives it, which trickles down through the rest of their orgs.

Consider Van Jones or whoever and realize they had clout within their community before hitting the national stage. Rand’s picked up on this and sees it as a gateway to “voters we need”.

I think he’s wrong because he’s allowed them to shape the argument based on the idea that minorities will be disproportionately affected.

He’s not able to go deeper into the argument because of he’s afraid of the Civil Rights albatross.

This is now the issue that Rubio could take him out on. Marco doesn’t have to agree that the criteria is correct and the latino community won’t dismiss him. So whatever black voters stay on the Dem plantation would be offset.

Rand’s getting bogged down in politics. He’s losing clarity.

budfox on May 14, 2014 at 12:04 PM

I like Rand, but he is off on this subject. The only reason there is race involved is the Dem’s made it about race. The laws are actually race neutral.
Tater Salad on May 14, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Well said. It’s the classic misstep made by Republican politicians: to accept the Left’s founding premises in any argument. Paul comes off like a novice here. Not my idea of a standard bearer for the Right.

will77jeff on May 14, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Too late. He already told us what he really thinks.

sadatoni on May 14, 2014 at 12:05 PM

No need for ID to get Sudafed right? racist?

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 12:06 PM

Conservatism fosters liberating ideas and philosophies through individualism.

Liberalism fosters divisions by pandering to groups and special interests.

And the entire “Big Tent” mantra of the GOP is undeniably insidious Liberalism.

Augustinian on May 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

How ironic that he complains about messaging…

…with poor messaging.

Bigbullets on May 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM

Bingo. Never complain, never explain. Because when you just. keep. on. doing. it., you’re losing.

de rigueur on May 14, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Rand’s getting bogged down in politics. He’s losing clarity.

budfox on May 14, 2014 at 12:04 PM

Well, he’s been in Washington for about three and a half years. I’d say he’s on the normal career track. By 2016 it will all about the politics and inside Washington concerns.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM

No need for a Voter ID?

He’s never been in Memphis on Election Day.

Elvis voted last time.

Rand is continuing his move to join the Vichy Republicans.

kingsjester on May 14, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Conservatism fosters liberating ideas and philosophies through individualism.

Liberalism fosters divisions by pandering to groups and special interests.

And the entire “Big Tent” mantra of the GOP is undeniably insidious Liberalism.

Augustinian on May 14, 2014 at 12:07 PM

In marketing any product or service, you ignore targeting various demographics differently demographics at your own.

Go ahead and run those ads featuring Tuukka Rask endorsing your candidate /product /service in downtown Detroit and see how long you stay in business.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

I suspect the only reason Rand Paul is saying this is to further distance himself from Cliven Bundy.

sentinelrules on May 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Go ahead and run those ads featuring Tuukka Rask endorsing your candidate /product /service in downtown Detroit and see how long you stay in business.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Is he an idea?

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

With some of the comments in this thread, I can now see how we ended up with McCain and Romney.

Notorious GOP on May 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

Jeez that one got away from me:

In marketing any product or service, you ignore targeting various demographics differently demographics at your own.

In marketing any product or service, you ignore targeting various demographics differently at your own peril.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

There is an old saying in Washington: “A gaffe is when a politician accidentally speaks the truth.”

Augustinian on May 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

So the same people who nearly unequivocally support an administration that is requiring every single citizen to prove to the IRS that he/she has health insurance, including forcing them to purchase said insurance if necessary, also believe that some people are incapable of getting a state-issued photo ID because of the color of their skin?

We should be exploding these stupid and racist arguments, not pandering to them.

Missy on May 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

So, Skippy, you’re saying that one Demographic is inherently less honest than another Demographic?

RAAACIIIST!

kingsjester on May 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

In marketing any product or service, you ignore targeting various demographics differently demographics at your own.

Go ahead and run those ads featuring Tuukka Rask endorsing your candidate /product /service in downtown Detroit and see how long you stay in business.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Why do conservatives need to “care” about black persons? Blacks adults aren’t their children or chattel.

baldilocks on May 10, 2014 at 12:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUzLpO1kxI

It matters.

If not caring worked, we’d attract more than 10% of the black vote.

Not worth going after?

The hell you say.

All voters are both children and chattel. Blacks included.

Skipity on May 10, 2014 at 12:37 PM

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 12:17 PM

Whether you’re a centrist Republican, “somewhat conservative,” or full-on tea partier, if you’re disgusted with the state of the GOP, Rand’s the guy who’s going to give you something different on pretty much everything except federal spending. (And given how much establishment Republicans have spent over the years, lower spending actually qualifies as something different too.)

You are, as usual, correct Allah.

Methinks Paul might be a leftist in sheep’s clothing.

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 11:33 AM

That is the height of paranoia. I do not believe that at all, having heard the man speak. What I fear is that, like the run-of-the-mill pol, he will get co-opted by the same power game that attracts the usual psychopath (e.g., Pelosi, Reid, Gingrich) – in other words, the old-fashioned sell-out RINO. These restatements on his part offer me some reassurances. Sometimes you first have to get your foot in the door. And sometimes that involves sticking with one’s principles but gaining the confidence of those low-information types.

Chuck Ef on May 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:13 PM

So, Skippy, you’re saying that one Demographic is inherently less honest than another Demographic?

RAAACIIIST!

kingsjester on May 14, 2014 at 12:16 PM

Keep using that ovaltine decoder ring, buddy.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Go ahead and run those ads featuring Tuukka Rask endorsing your candidate /product /service in downtown Detroit and see how long you stay in business.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

What about Sergei Federov, Vladimir Konstantinov, or Igor Larionov?

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Why aren’t Paul and the Republicans talking about election integrity? We need a voter ID law to make sure your vote counts. Address the issue of a poll tax by not charging anyone who can’t afford to pay but make sure they bring their birth certificate. Hand out single ride passes for the bus or metro so there are no transportation issues. Present it like that- we repubs are addressing the concerns you dems have. We’ve spent much more money on far less important issues. If the anecdotal stories are true, any votes lost because of this issue will be balanced out by the lack of dead voters, illegal voters, double voters.

As for immigration/amnesty- when are these politicians going to realize that they represent the citizens of the United States and not foreign nationals?

hopeful on May 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

In marketing any product or service, you ignore targeting various demographics differently demographics at your own.

Go ahead and run those ads featuring Tuukka Rask endorsing your candidate /product /service in downtown Detroit and see how long you stay in business.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Your myopic RINO vision ignores the fact that in politics – philosophies can also be alienated. Thus is the case when you start “marketing” philosophies with Liberal tactics. After all tactics ARE policy.

Augustinian on May 14, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Rand is continuing his move to join the Vichy Republicans.

kingsjester on May 14, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Yeah, somewhere along the line it became less about leading and more about political strategy. The guy talking about messaging is not the same Rand Paul who challenged the administration’s use of drones.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Keep using that ovaltine decoder ring, buddy.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Ha. Now that I think of it, the Little Orphan Annie Decoder Ring is kind of a good metaphor for Rand Paul. Looks cool and edgy and independent, but in the end, delivers the same top-down baseless moral lecture that the Democrats do.

Missy on May 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Child, I have shorts older than you. An ounce of condescension is worth a pound of manure.

And, Trolls like you resort to condescension, because no one is buying their b.s.

Spin, baby, spin.

kingsjester on May 14, 2014 at 12:22 PM

What about Sergei Federov, Vladimir Konstantinov, or Igor Larionov?

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM

Probably still wouldn’t do it because no-one watches Hockey. But you’d have a better chance of success because demographics includes where one lives.

Thanks for making my point for me.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Probably still wouldn’t do it because no-one watches Hockey. But you’d have a better chance of success because demographics includes where one lives.

Thanks for making my point for me.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Oh, you’re welcome. I have no problem pointing out idiots.

NotCoach on May 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

“Big Tents” necessarily come at the expense of the small ideals of large betrayals.

“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” – G.K.Chesterton

Augustinian on May 14, 2014 at 12:25 PM

I have been disappointed in him ever since finding out his name is really Randall. Meh.

Fallon on May 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

RINO’s insist that we must stifle any pure convictions in order to win popular tolerance.

And that actually makes “sense” in their minds.

Such is the self-consuming incongruity of the Pyrrhic victory.

Augustinian on May 14, 2014 at 12:30 PM

Paul is quickly moving to the bottom of my list of potential candidates.

cdog0613 on May 14, 2014 at 12:31 PM

I have been disappointed in him ever since finding out his name is really Randall. Meh.
Fallon on May 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM

It’s early in the day, but I give your comment an F for funny as hell. Lol.

coolrepublica on May 14, 2014 at 12:33 PM

So we are back to having a “compassionate conservative” in the race? I had hoped we were beyond all that.

Fred 2 on May 14, 2014 at 12:34 PM

I’m starting to think this guy was conceived while the CIA was secretly mixing alien genes into his father’s DNA.

The CIA does things like that you know.

kcewa on May 14, 2014 at 12:35 PM

THINGS YOU NEED A PHOTO ID FOR
adopt a pet
purchase a home
purchase an automobile
purchase a gun
obtain a bank account
obtain a credit card
obtain a passport
write a check
make a credit card purchase
apply for a loan to purchase anything
to prove your age
to get married
to receive a marriage license
to drive
to buy a house
to close on a house
to get medical care
to get on a plane
to get insurance on anything
to get a job
to get a post office box
to get a hunting license
to get a fishing license
to get a business license
to cash a paycheck
rent an apartment
rent a hotel room
rent a car
rent furniture
rent tools and equipment
receive welfare
receive social security
receive food stamps
buy cigarettes
buy alcohol
buy a bus ticket
buy a cell phone
buy any antihistimine
go in to a casino
go in to a bar
go to college
have your water turned on
have your electricity turned on
have your cable turned on
have your gas turned on
obtain trash pick up service
pick up a package from the post office
pick up a package from fed ex
pick up a package from ups
pick up a prescription
BUT ASKING FOR A PHOTO ID TO PROVE VOTER ELIGILITY IS LABELED RACIST. . . . .

sniffles1999 on May 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM

In Ed Morrissey parlance…this is not the hill to fight for. Let’s move on to the bigger issues.

DanMan on May 14, 2014 at 12:41 PM

In marketing any product or service, you ignore targeting various demographics differently demographics at your own.

Go ahead and run those ads featuring Tuukka Rask endorsing your candidate /product /service in downtown Detroit and see how long you stay in business.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:12 PM

You give new meaning to the word incoherent.

Bigbullets on May 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM

HA classic

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM

If he makes it through to the general election, Democrats will put all of their energy into kookifying him as the most retrograde politician in America, someone who wants to time-travel back to before the New Deal when it comes to the welfare state

The Dems will “kookify” any Republican nominee in 2016. They’ve been doing this for decades. Goldwater, Reagan, Dole, Bush II, McCain, Romney. They all received the kook treatment from the Dems and their friends in the LSM. In 2016, if the nominee is Cruz, they’ll kookify him. Ditto Paul, Jindal, Walker, and Ryan.
They’ll use medicare on Ryan. They’ll use illegal immigration on Cruz. They’ll use the Civil Rights Act on Paul. If the nominee is some other Republican and they can’t use illegal immigration or civil rights then they’ll make up something. We’ve seen this many times before.
Don’t think this will only occur if Paul is the nominee.

shubalstearns on May 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Probably still wouldn’t do it because no-one watches Hockey. But you’d have a better chance of success because demographics includes where one lives.

Thanks for making my point for me.

Skipity on May 14, 2014 at 12:24 PM

In Detroit?

Just when I thought you couldn’t be any more oblivious, you lower the bar.

Bigbullets on May 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Methinks the bloom is off the Rand Paul rose.
And as much as I like Ted Cruz, do we really want another inexperienced Senator as POTUS?

Give me Scott Walker any day. He’s proved he’s willing to go to battle for what he believes and he has a track record of WINNING.

Saverio on May 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM

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