New IRS e-mails: Yep, direction came from D.C. and yep, it was political

posted at 9:21 pm on May 14, 2014 by Mary Katharine Ham

A tranche of new Internal Revenue Service e-mails refute the White House’s longtime defense of the agency’s actions in the IRS targeting scandal. The e-mails, uncovered by a Judicial Watch FOIA request, reveal there was direction coming from the Washington headquarters of the IRS and that the targeting of Tea Party groups was indeed political.

The Washington Examiner‘s Mark Tapscott excerpts:

In a July 2012 email, Holly Paz, who was then director of the IRS Rulings and Agreements division, asked IRS lawyer Steven Grodnitzky “to let Cindy and Sharon know how we have been handling Tea Party applications in the last few months.”

Cindy Thomas is the former director of the IRS Exempt Organizations office in Cincinnati, and Sharon Camarillo was a senior manager in its Los Angeles office.

The email conflicts with claims by Obama administration officials that the targeting effort was done exclusively by the government workers in the Cincinnati IRS office.

Grodnitzky worked in the IRS headquarters’ Exempt Organizations Technical Unit. In his response to Paz, he said his colleagues were “working the Tea party applications in coordination with Cincy. We are developing a few applications here in D.C. and providing copies of our development letters with the agent to use as examples in the development of their cases.”

The Blaze quotes a 2010 e-mail:

Thomas instructed a colleague to “let ‘Washington’ know about this potentially politically embarrassing case involving a ‘Tea Party’ organization.”

“Recent media attention to this type of organization indicates to me that this is a ‘high profile’ case. In addition to 501(c)(4) typical legislative activities, application indicates possible future political candidate support,” the memo added.

The e-mails pertain to scrutiny of Tea Party groups over two election cycles, in 2010 and 2012. Some of them are the same e-mails released to Congress but without redactions. The entire batch is here.

They also include some lovely back-and-forth between Sen. Carl Levin and the IRS about how best to use the IRS’ power to target conservative groups. Because democracy.

As the 2012 presidential election drew nearer, Levin sent a series of letters to the IRS intensifying his campaign against predominantly conservative nonprofit groups:

September 27, 2012: Levin asks for copies of the answers to IRS exemption application question 15 – a question about planned political expenditures – from four specific groups: Crossroads Grassroots Policy Strategies, Priorities USA, Americans for Prosperity, and Patriot Majority USA.

October 17, 2012: Miller informs Levin, “As discussed in our previous responses dated June 4, 2012, and August 24, 2012, the IRS cannot legally disclose whether the organizations on your list have applied for tax exemptions unless and until such application is approved.” Miller, however, then informs Levin that Americans for Prosperity and Patriot Majority have been approved, but the IRS has no records for Crossroads and Priorities USA.

October 23, 2012: Levin writes to again express his dissatisfaction with the IRS handling of “social welfare” (501(c)(4) organizations insisting that IRS guidance “misinterprets the law” by allowing any political activity. He again demands an answer as to whether the four organizations he listed in his previous letter were primarily engaged in the promotion of social welfare. He also seeks copies of tax exempt revocation letters sent due to c4 political activities, as well as statistics on how many c4s have been notified that they may be in violation due to political activities.

In perhaps the most revealing letter from the IRS to Levin, Miller on June 4, 2012, takes 16 pages to explain to the senator what IRS regulations and policies may and may not be used to evaluate political groups and assures him that the agency has considerable leeway in picking and choosing which groups would be subject to additional scrutiny:

There is no standard questionnaire used to obtain information about political activities. Although there is a template development letter that describes the general information on the case development process, the letter does not specify the information to be requested from any particular organization … Consequently, revenue agents prepare individualized questions and requests for documents relevant to the application. . .

The “Special Report” panel weighed in on the newly released documents tonight. It’s a good segment, with Steve Hayes running down all the ways this information refutes everything the White House claims and claims to stand for, Kirsten Powers suggesting maybe Congress should just file FOIAs instead of requesting documents from the most transparent administration in history, and Charles Krauthammer just calling them liars. Now, to paraphrase Krauthammer, will the press cover it? After all, dude, it’s been more than two years.

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We must turn our backs on all of them, shun them for they are not of U.S.A..

Resident Evil Only.
Sort of long term illegal immigrants with no tie to the Constitution or U.S.A. at all. Outsiders.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Subterfuge. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. IRS, IRS, IRS. Fast & Furious. NSA, NSA, NSA. Squirrel, Squirrel, Squirrel.

Anything to distract from the economy, which by the way is doing swell.
Did you know, for every dollar a person receives in food stamps, that $1.79 is put back into the economy.?.

I go poop now.

- Crazy, stretchy-faced congresswoman who roams the halls of DC. 5/14/2014.

StubbornGreenBurros on May 14, 2014 at 11:15 PM

jim56 on May 14, 2014 at 11:03 PM

What is your calculus that tells you a rate of 10-1 is uniform?

anuts on May 14, 2014 at 11:09 PM

What is the rate if you instead compare people with roughly the same income, same type of businesses and same type and amounts of deductions?

jim56 on May 14, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Yes, and I’ve reported Murphy9 for violation of the terms of use.

jim56 on May 14, 2014 at 11:03 PM

You going to tell that lovely girl Emily something again jimbo?

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM

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Jimbo3 on December 28, 2010 at 9:16 AM

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/12/27/krauthammer-we-shouldnt-defund-obamacare/comment-page-3/

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM

The list of crimes grows.
The list of victims grows.
The list of failed law enforcement grows.
The list of failed U.S. Goverment Departments grows.
The list of failed U.S. failed Goverment Depts that failed buying guns and bullets grows.
The list of who they will attack gets e-mailed to each failed department daily.
All is denied, all it lied about, the fix is in.

Be prepared.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2014 at 11:20 PM

The Chekist should face the door with a nagant against his cranium.

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 11:22 PM

I thought KP was in denial over the IRS criminality?

Jaibones on May 14, 2014 at 11:23 PM

What is the rate if you instead compare people with roughly the same income, same type of businesses and same type and amounts of deductions?
jim56 on May 14, 2014 at 11:17 PM

That I have no idea and I suspect you don’t either. And even if, as you say above, those things are roughly equal what other possible demographic would one find a ratio of 10-1 to be uniform?

anuts on May 14, 2014 at 11:24 PM

Failed:
EPA
DHS
DJ
Press Sec.
VA Health Care
U.S. Post Office
HUD
FANNY MAE
FHA
FREDDY MAC
Border Patrol
ATF
DEA
CIA
NSA

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Jim 1. grow up and 2. Quit being naive.

CW on May 14, 2014 at 11:27 PM

More fail each day.

Only withheld e-mails hide the decline.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2014 at 11:27 PM

NO IMMUNITY for Lerner unless we have a proffer from her attorney that incriminates Shulman.

The IRS Commissioner visited the White House AT LEAST once a week (usually 2-3 times) over a year and a half period, but claims he cannot recall who he saw or what was discussed in any of those visits.

Uh-huh.

Give Shulman to me. I’ll have him talking like a teenaged girl on Jolt Cola in about 15 minutes.

Adjoran on May 14, 2014 at 11:29 PM

A long slide of lower and lower standards down to the last of the Peter Principle hand me downs like Chuck Schummer, B. Obama and Harry Reid etal.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Yes, and I’ve reported Murphy9 for violation of the terms of use.

jim56 on May 14, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Mommy, Mommy! He said a bad word! Make him stop Mommy!

slickwillie2001 on May 14, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Drunk on power these bad chiefs will get U.S. undone.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2014 at 11:32 PM

Jim56,

Since I answered your question if you’d be so kind to answer mine:

What is your calculus that tells you a rate of 10-1 is uniform?

Thanks in advance.

anuts on May 14, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Russia knows, China knows, the islamic terror state of Iran knows.

They see clear the fail, they walk through the wide open door of the fail, it is easy now, so they do the evil they have lusted for while the picking is easy.

These thugs and creeps will not be the ones who suffer from their fail, it will be our children and those to come later.

The question will be,, “Why did no one stop the evil, they saw it,they knew it, they did nothing, why?”

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2014 at 11:37 PM

They couldn’t have figured it out?

Um, the Preezy, every DimocRat and every leftist journo-tool that could get in front of a camera or write a column has been DENYING the White House was involved, AND that it was political FROM THE DAY AFTER THIS WENT DOWN!!

Yeah, we’ve all known it too! But until now it’s been nothing but denial and obstruct!

Now all of sudden its, “well, everyone should have known the White House was involved and it was political from the start”.

Yeah, we did. You all and your masters in the Regime were the ones denying that wasn’t the case.

Meople on May 14, 2014 at 11:45 PM

I suppose I’ll get my answer later. It is afterall a simple math question that surely has a simple answer…

anuts on May 14, 2014 at 11:47 PM

I suppose I’ll get my answer later. It is afterall a simple math question that surely has a simple answer…

anuts on May 14, 2014 at 11:47 PM

o jimbo is a liberal troll. Nothing short of obama proclaiming on the capital steps “Yeah, I ordered the IRS to attack tea party groups, audit them and make their lives miserable” would convince jimbo that the IRS acted inappropriately and with malice.

HumpBot Salvation on May 14, 2014 at 11:51 PM

All this shows is that the IRS was trying to develop a uniform process

jim56 on May 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

A uniform process for suppressing the speech of people dangerous to their agenda.

malclave on May 14, 2014 at 11:53 PM

Expect more lies of the lies on the lies about all the lies.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 15, 2014 at 12:03 AM

It must be that the CO2 causes more lies and warming.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 15, 2014 at 12:06 AM

On one hand, I’m really glad to have my belief that this started on top and orders came down, and that it didn’t start with the rank and file. On the other hand, I’m really disappointed that more front-liners didn’t report this to TIGTA (Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration).

I find myself hoping that there are a number who did, either anonymously, or are having their names withheld due to the political nature of the orders and the massive potential for retaliation, but…I have to admit that I doubt it. TIGTA has, at least locally, a bit of a rep for “guilty and we’re going to prove it”, and at the end of the day we’re people who just want to do our work and get paid. Putting ourselves in the crosshairs has no reward.

As always, these are personal observations and opinions, not any sort of official BS.

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 12:11 AM

With approximately 200 visits by IRS leaders to the White House for direction and consultation before implementing the persecution of honest Americans the Nazi SS at the IRS deserve long prison sentences and not bonuses and promotions.

leader4hru on May 15, 2014 at 12:11 AM

Do a search for Carl Levin and IRS emails and see who is covering this…….

d1carter on May 15, 2014 at 12:24 AM

On one hand, I’m really glad to have my belief vindicated that this started on top and orders came down, and that it didn’t start with the rank and file.

Added a word to clarify.

With approximately 200 visits by IRS leaders to the White House for direction and consultation before implementing the persecution of honest Americans the Nazi SS at the IRS deserve long prison sentences and not bonuses and promotions.

leader4hru on May 15, 2014 at 12:11 AM

…Idiot.

Just…I’m not going to suggest you strain your three brain cells by reading a book, but go start with Wikipedia. The Schutzstaffel was not a joking matter. If you try to claim hyperbole, well, your immediate jump to that extremity is an obscenity and an indication of a simple mind.

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Do a search for Carl Levin and IRS emails and see who is covering this…….

d1carter on May 15, 2014 at 12:24 AM

Don’t need to. Conservative and libertarian web outlets, Fox, and a handful of fringe sites. The mainstream media, print media, and liberal web outfits are either ignoring it, burying the lead, or attempting to hand-waive it.

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 12:31 AM

The IRS Commissioner visited the White House AT LEAST once a week (usually 2-3 times) over a year and a half period, but claims he cannot recall who he saw or what was discussed in any of those visits.

Uh-huh.

Give Shulman to me. I’ll have him talking like a teenaged girl on Jolt Cola in about 15 minutes.

Adjoran on May 14, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Palm drill with a 1/2″ spade bit, applied just below the kneecap.
Sing like an Eastern Bluebird in mating season.

In the sandbox, if you wanted to know where IED’s were buried, you just tied Ali-Al-Habbi to the hood of the car and drove down the road.
He would tell you exactly where they were buried.
III/0317

Sgt Stryker on May 15, 2014 at 12:36 AM

Dems will start squealing that Repubs are on a “political” witch hunt – isn’t that their standard reply these days when they’re cornered? But if this was politically motivated, wouldn’t they have waited for an “October Surprise?”

ncinca on May 15, 2014 at 12:43 AM

I always give credit when I can, and I would love to do so here, but I literally just cannot remember who said this last week –

Would you be more upset if you found out that your President ordered the IRS to crack the whip on conservative groups, or that your President truly didn’t know the IRS was out of control?

Time for a special prosecutor, ’cause Lord knows my Attorney Genrul Holder can’t find anything wrong…at all…ever…but he said he’s waiting for the Zimmerman trial to end so he can investigate whether to bring fedrul charges in the case…tick…tock…

Not a smidgen, ya know what I mean?

DublOh7 on May 15, 2014 at 12:44 AM

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 15, 2014

I’m glad you’re a poster here. You’re on fire tonight and people need to hear what you bring to the discussion. You always bring the goods, and always with links.

Harbingeing on May 15, 2014 at 12:56 AM

And this would have not come out had it not been for the GOP controlled House pushing and pushing for years now. Credit where credit is due.
V7_Sport on May 14, 2014 at 10:02 PM

Nice stallwart defense of the tepid GOPe, if it were true. Dumas.

Once the house got a bunch of redacted papers most were content to stick a fork in it and admonish us to go onto something else. Unexpected was Lerner invoking the 5th but boner didn’t want to do anything about that, after all the irs was also taking care of the GOPe enemies as well. What blows this open are private organizations getting FOIA documents with some of the the exact same as what the house got but unredacted. The dems can at least credit the GOPe for trying to spike this scandal.

Please feel free to declare to all that I’m a traitor for vowing never to vote for nonconservatives even if they proudly wear the r label.

AH_C on May 15, 2014 at 1:04 AM

Just…I’m not going to suggest you strain your three brain cells by reading a book, but go start with Wikipedia. The Schutzstaffel was not a joking matter. If you try to claim hyperbole, well, your immediate jump to that extremity is an obscenity and an indication of a simple mind.
Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 12:29 AM

Well then. Let’s just end your dilemma here and now by repealing the 16th and banish the irs and your job to the asheap of history. Otherwise, what we’re seeing now is the politicization of a government organ with the power of the gun to strike fear in any American citizen. They may not be as bad as the ss but give them another few years under progressive fascism and 16, 000 more agents and I’m sure they’ll start executing violators on the spot without trial. It’s always how the story ends and just because it’s America doesn’t negate that fact when given time.

We don’t need 70, 000 stinking pages of formulations for robbing us of inheritance and treasure and the accompanying budget that it takes to field a corp of officers to oppress us. At least we can be thankful that there are some within the organization that are honest and ethical otherwise the irs would have gone rogue long before it did.

AH_C on May 15, 2014 at 1:20 AM

Democracy: Rule by the Democratic Party.

Now does it make sense?

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 15, 2014 at 1:29 AM

While this is a crime, that isn’t the worst of it.

This is a tyranny.

tyr·an·ny noun \ˈtir-ə-nē\
: cruel and unfair treatment by people with power over others

It’s here. Now.

trigon on May 15, 2014 at 1:53 AM

Well then. Let’s just end your dilemma here and now by repealing the 16th and banish the irs

You’d still have an IRS to handle tariffs, excises, duties, and other traditional tax vehicles. We still handle most of that, together with Customs.

and your job to the asheap of history.

I work to stop ID Theft-related fraud, both tax-related and non-tax-related. My job would just move to the private sector, where my pay would go up and my benefits would go down, and I’d pretty much be where I started. Save your bile for someone else.

Otherwise, what we’re seeing now is the politicization of a government organ

Far less political than it was under Johnson, Nixon, and Carter. There’s been a real coordinated effort by a lot of people on every level to rehabilitate our agency since the mid-90′s. And we’d been doing a damned good job of it, too, pre-Zero.

with the power of the gun to strike fear in any American citizen.

Surprisingly, no. No IRS employee is allowed to be armed. If you’re someone with a history of threatening violence against us or other officials, we can contact TIGTA for an armed escort if there’s a face-to-face, but we’d rather do business by mail. Slower, but less threatening all around.

They may not be as bad as the ss but give them another few years under progressive fascism and 16, 000 more agents and I’m sure they’ll start executing violators on the spot without trial.

You’re A) insane, and B) you’re probably talking about the mythical O-Care “agents” that don’t exist. For individual accounts, our top priority is ID Theft, period. It’s all money…I cost the taxpayer about, realistically, benefits, equipment, everything, $60/hr. $2400/week. I stopped, 2013, around $3,000,000 in ID theft-related tax fraud. So, just in tax fraud, I saved the taxpayer a little over $24 for every dollar spent on me. If you factor in associated private sector accounts (because, let’s face it, if you have tax-related IDT, you have personal IDT too), those were typically 4-6x the tax portion. Do the math.

In case it isn’t obvious, we’re accountants, not warriors, and you’re apparently living in some…really freaky, LSD-laced paranoid world. If you want some form of potential SA, I’d look at an agency that actually handles weapons as part of their jobs, not the bookkeepers.

It’s always how the story ends and just because it’s America doesn’t negate that fact when given time.

This is a risk in any society, and I believe the Founding Fathers gave us pretty clear instruction on the matter in the Declaration of Independence. On the flip side, go read Sun Tzu’s Art of War (not Machiavelli’s), and focus on that line about knowing your enemy. Assuming anyone vaguely associated with someone or something must be your enemy is how you get the French Revolution, and that ended in…oh, yeah, dictatorship.

We don’t need 70, 000 stinking pages of formulations for robbing us of inheritance and treasure

Believe we, you won’t find argument from anyone I’ve ever met in the IRS. We have to navigate this maze on a daily basis, with conflicting instructions and resolutions, with a dozen exceptions to every rule (a bit of hyperbole…but only a bit…). Get Congress to simplify that beast, as you’ll hear thanks, not curses. The only people who actually enjoy that length are the politically connected and the lawyers in DC…and there’s a lot of overlap, there.

and the accompanying budget that it takes to field a corp of officers to oppress us.

Fewer than 3,400 revenue officers. That’s less than 80% of a brigade, which is less than a sixth of a corps, and again, oppression requires some sort of personal association. Personal involvement is Bad.

At least we can be thankful that there are some within the organization that are honest and ethical otherwise the irs would have gone rogue long before it did.

AH_C on May 15, 2014 at 1:20 AM

The majority, much like the rest of the general public, are unfortunately uncommitted. Show up, do your job, get paid, go home. Most of the remainder really do give a damn, and aren’t just going through the motions. We’re the ones who tend to get upward mobility outside of the political seats. The last bit, the troublemakers, are almost exclusively made up of political appointees. Not too different from any private company I’ve worked at, in truth…you have the 9-to-5′s, the ambitious, and the suck-up brown-nosers who do whatever they’re told.

All this crap is my own bilge, doesn’t reflect the agency, blah blah. (<–Would you believe I really do have to type this crap in here every time? /sigh)

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 2:36 AM

The majority, much like the rest of the general public, are unfortunately uncommitted. Show up, do your job, get paid, go home. Most of the remainder really do give a damn, and aren’t just going through the motions. We’re the ones who tend to get upward mobility outside of the political seats. The last bit, the troublemakers, are almost exclusively made up of political appointees. Not too different from any private company I’ve worked at, in truth…you have the 9-to-5′s, the ambitious, and the suck-up brown-nosers who do whatever they’re told.

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 2:36 AM

You sound like a good person.

However, you don’t control the IRS, they do. The trouble makers, the political appointees are the ones that are telling the IRS how to do their job.

Those crocodile tears go nowhere to the people who have been denied their right to participate in America’s future due to their right of assembly under 501 c(3) participation. Until I see someone in the IRS brave enough to start talking about Lois Lerner’s influence and the other much at the top, I’ll just keep fearing you.

itsspideyman on May 15, 2014 at 2:52 AM

itsspideyman on May 15, 2014 at 2:52 AM

The thing is, if something came down that was political, I’d comply…and BCC (blind carbon copy, a copy of an email that the primary recipient doesn’t know is going out) TIGTA on everything. It would not surprise me if there were several employees there who did that, and TIGTA is simply concealing their participation to protect them from retaliation.

It’s mostly a matter that people have already talked about what they knew with TIGTA, but the people with the really juicy bits are all political appointees. It’s not worth my job to hide information from TIGTA. They’re…really pretty scary to us.

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 3:54 AM

It’s mostly a matter that people have already talked about what they knew with TIGTA, but the people with the really juicy bits are all political appointees. It’s not worth my job to hide information from TIGTA. They’re…really pretty scary to us.

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 3:54 AM

If you fear for your job, then you understand us.

I hope the best of you in the IRS will finally wrest control, difficcult as long as it is politically connected.

itsspideyman on May 15, 2014 at 5:04 AM

But don’t worry.. Boenhner is speaker of the house.

JellyToast on May 14, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Really ? I though the Cryptkeeper still was. She acts like she still is ! Boner does not !

cableguy615 on May 15, 2014 at 6:00 AM

Once again the White House – Obama – is PROVEN to be the LIARS they are!

“Just another part of Obama’s WAR ON AMERICA in order to keep his promise to ‘Fundamentally Change the United States!”

Washington / The White House / Elected Politicians not only used the IRS to target Conservatives to silence them and diminish their influence on elections, but they also pressured the DOJ in an attempt to try to PROSECUTE Conservatives!

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL…BUT IT ISN’T CONSERVATIVES!

easyt65 on May 15, 2014 at 7:20 AM

DC is not people. You can’t impeach a place. This came from the Obama White House. Do your duty before the list against freedom gets any longer. You don’t have the right, congress, to help destroy the nation, simply because you are too cowardly or politically hyper-cautious to do not what you ought.

Don L on May 15, 2014 at 7:32 AM

And yep I’m not surprised.

bgibbs1000 on May 15, 2014 at 7:50 AM

And yet the only news covered today will be about some newspaper editor that gets fired. As if people don’t get fired everyday in this country. Illegal targeting by the IRS though didn’t use to happen everyday.

txmomof6 on May 15, 2014 at 8:08 AM

This is a pretty large smidgeon…

right2bright on May 15, 2014 at 8:28 AM

Why is no one covering this “story?” Because john Stewarts already done a thorough debunking of this nonsense and everyone is tired of tea party whining over nothing. “Unemployment is lower, but I’m still mad!” “Benghazi risked the lives of far less Americans then Iraq, but everyone should be angry!” ” Michelle like healthy food, it’s oppressive!” Just give it a rest with the constant grievance politics.

libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Idiotic comments even for you.

Bmore on May 15, 2014 at 8:45 AM

Why is no one covering this “story?” Because john Stewarts already done a thorough debunking of this nonsense and everyone is tired of tea party whining over nothing. “Unemployment is lower, but I’m still mad!” “Benghazi risked the lives of far less Americans then Iraq, but everyone should be angry!” ” Michelle like healthy food, it’s oppressive!” Just give it a rest with the constant grievance politics.

libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Hey dummy, you obviously forgot what started this whole thing.

The IRS ADMITTED they were illegally targeting conservative organizations, with the intent of getting ahead of the IG report that said the same thing and was about to be released.

Also….jon stewart? That’s who you want to invoke as the holy grail of news reporting?

You’re just not very bright for a perfesser. Ain’t tenure grand?

runawayyyy on May 15, 2014 at 8:59 AM

libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Unemployment is “lower”, and yet somehow we also have the lowest labor force participation rate since the stagflation Carter years.

Benghazi was a consulate, not a war. Your point is incoherent – and btw. the consulate only existed because your homeboy Obama decided to bomb Ghaddafi without seeking Congressional approval. What was that about illegal wars? I can’t hear you over the roaring tide of hypocrisy.

The only thing noteworthy about FLOTUS is she doesn’t appear to practice what she preaches. Gluttony is not just about food, and she is most certainly a glutton.

BKennedy on May 15, 2014 at 9:11 AM

Why is no one covering this “story?” Because john Stewarts already done a thorough debunking of this nonsense and everyone is tired of tea party whining over nothing. “Unemployment is lower, but I’m still mad!” “Benghazi risked the lives of far less Americans then Iraq, but everyone should be angry!” ” Michelle like healthy food, it’s oppressive!” Just give it a rest with the constant grievance politics.

libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

You lie. Here is the labor participation rate from the BLS:

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Noonan on May 15, 2014 at 9:16 AM

Yep, she now says that it was oh so obvious that DC was involved; now that the proof is there that conservatives have searched for for so long. But go back to when this broke; then she was a cheerleader for the progressives who said there was no there there. Yes she denied it to the hilt along with all the other liberals but now she can’t.

Pardonme on May 15, 2014 at 9:21 AM

everyone is tired of tea party whining over nothing.

The IRS admitted this was happening.

“Unemployment is lower, but I’m still mad!”

And well you should be. Unemployment is lower because there are fewer people in the workforce.

“Benghazi risked the lives of far less Americans then Iraq, but everyone should be angry!”

Iraq was a military action. An ambassador is not a military officer. But it’s good to know that you permit certain amounts of straight-up lying based on the number of lives lost.

Just give it a rest with the constant grievance politics.

libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

Not like Conyers who spent the entire Bush presidency trying to get him impeached and prosecuted for war crimes, right?

The Schaef on May 15, 2014 at 9:23 AM

How does this happen? Yes, that’s a rhetorical question.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 9:31 AM

It emanates from the Oval Office but that circle it too tight to break. One of Barry’s inner circle kids will write a book about it some day.

FireBlogger on May 15, 2014 at 9:48 AM

Are we missing the point. Yes the WH is involved, yes the congress can’t get it’s hands on the evidence but it (IRS intimidation) worked. All that was needed was a window of time to keep TEA party busy while the elections were held and won.

Kneale on May 15, 2014 at 9:52 AM

Ok, how long is reasonable at this point for there to be a prosecution and punishment?

We need a ‘red line’, beyond which we will simply have to take matters into our own hands if ‘the law’ continues to fail us.

This cannot stand.

How does this happen? Yes, that’s a rhetorical question.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 9:31 AM

How, where, and with whom does a lawsuit get filed?

Midas on May 15, 2014 at 9:56 AM

libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

*response edited to avoid banning*

Use your imagination you piece of shit.

Midas on May 15, 2014 at 9:58 AM

you go mute Chekist?

Murphy9 on May 15, 2014 at 10:09 AM

Those crocodile tears go nowhere to the people who have been denied their right to participate in America’s future due to their right of assembly under 501 c(3) participation. Until I see someone in the IRS brave enough to start talking about Lois Lerner’s influence and the other much at the top, I’ll just keep fearing you.

itsspideyman on May 15, 2014 at 2:52 AM

It’s far, far worse than that.

It’s the overt intimidation and *punishment* of people, by the armed might of the federal government, because of their political beliefs.

This is not abstract, rhetorical tyranny, this *is* de facto tyranny, right here, in our faces, in our lives. It’s not preventing people from something they want to participate in, it is the overt use of the political might of the federal government to *destroy* people through fear, intimidation, and force.

It cannot stand.

Midas on May 15, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Just give it a rest with the constant grievance politics.
 
libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

 
Close the thread.

rogerb on May 15, 2014 at 10:29 AM

IRS to Senator Levin: We can’t legally disclose which organizations applied for tax-exempt status, but we’ll tell you, because you’re a Democrat. We just broke the law. Shhhhh!!!

Steve Z on May 15, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Dems will start squealing that Repubs are on a “political” witch hunt – isn’t that their standard reply these days when they’re cornered? But if this was politically motivated, wouldn’t they have waited for an “October Surprise?”

ncinca on May 15, 2014 at 12:43 AM

If you find a room full of brooms, cauldrons, and black pointy hats, maybe a witch hunt is appropriate.

Steve Z on May 15, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Midas on May 15, 2014 at 9:56 AM

I don’t know, someone with deep pockets. If it’s not a lawsuit I need an explantion as to why not. I wonder if Mr. Levin knows?

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 10:35 AM

So much for the worries of Lois Lerner saying ‘it was all ME, ME, ME’, huh?

So, instead of just immunity from prosecution, why not witness protection as well?

Give the big hint that what comes next is a Special Prosecutor looking for a RICO case against a number of high level officials, of which Lerner is a small fish. Even if she thinks she has done nothing wrong, she will get the idea that she could get caught up in a RICO case by others putting her in the spotlight.

Really, which side of the court would you rather be on in a RICO case: as a witness testifying against the defendants, or sitting behind the defendants table?

ajacksonian on May 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Just give it a rest with the constant grievance politics.

libfreeordie on May 15, 2014 at 8:32 AM

And get that politically-incorrect commencement speaker off my campus!

de rigueur on May 15, 2014 at 10:58 AM

ajacksonian on May 15, 2014 at 10:41 AM

There seem to be a lot of new names coming to light, I wonder if any of them are worried about their reputation or future. It’s hard to believe that anything this organized doesn’t have someone interested in self-preservation.

Cindy Munford on May 15, 2014 at 11:01 AM

If you think John Stewart debunks anything..you’re even dumber than he thinks you are.

HumpBot Salvation on May 15, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Not a smidgeon!

rjoco1 on May 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM

This makes Watergate look like a church picnic. Where is the WaPo’s wall to wall investigative rooting now???

Whitey Ford on May 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM

Reporting

Whitey Ford on May 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM

This makes Watergate look like a church picnic. Where is the WaPo’s wall to wall investigative rooting now???

Whitey Ford on May 15, 2014 at 11:07 AM

WaPO is rooting for the IRS.

HumpBot Salvation on May 15, 2014 at 11:12 AM

The Republican establishment does not want to touch this – the Tea Party is also the enemy of the Republican establishment. Hell, they probably knew about this and encouraged the democrats to target the Tea Party.

redguy on May 15, 2014 at 11:19 AM

But RINO Speaker Boehner and all the other RINOs won’t use their constitutional right to arrest Lois Lerner for contempt of Congress because the Attorney General refuses to do anything regardless of the evidence.

As judge Andrew Napolitano concludes;

“Can government officials legally lie? Regrettably, yes. The courts have ruled that the remedy for government lying is to vote it out of office, even when it prosecutes people for harmlessly doing what it has done to shatter its bonds with us. So, why were Roger Clemens and Martha Stewart prosecuted for petty lies about private matters that affected no one, and Clapper and Rice, who attempted to lull the country into a false sense of comfort, not prosecuted?”

This is what happens when mostly uniformed American citizens go along with decisions like “Marbury vs Madison” where an institution that is part of a federal government that is our agent decides what its own powers are. As Jefferson warned, if the federal government is allowed to hold a monopoly on determining the extent of its own powers, we have no right to be surprised when it keeps discovering new ones. If the federal government has the exclusive right to judge the extent of its own powers, it will continue to grow – regardless of elections, the separation of powers, and other much-touted limits on government power.

Falcon46 on May 15, 2014 at 11:44 AM

Profound

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

“In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.”

– by Martin Niemöller, prominent German anti-Nazi theologian and Lutheran pastor, best known as the author of the poem First they came….

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Profound

Schadenfreude on May 15, 2014 at 11:45 AM

Yes, profound and we have only ourselves to blame. First and foremost for not being directly involved with each generation’s education and not insisting that an inclusive history be taught.

So why are most of us letting it happen? This is not a question!

Falcon46 on May 15, 2014 at 11:54 AM

Isn’t it some sort of felony for a sitting Sentor to demand in writing the information submitted on specific groups tax forms?

Resolute on May 15, 2014 at 12:15 PM

This president and his administration don’t have a smidgen of credibility left.

KansasNavyDad on May 15, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Might you be able to consider any other reason for electoral and legislative failures than some deep conspiracy to halt you at the door?

rogerb on May 14, 2014 at 9:30 PM

So when are you going to clean the corruption-sh!t out of your party instead of bashing those who don’t like the smell of it, Mr Dung Beetle?

dominigan on May 15, 2014 at 12:29 PM

I-I-I-I think your colorist called, Kristin. H-h-h-he want you to come in. NOW

bour3 on May 15, 2014 at 1:30 PM

What is the rate if you instead compare people with roughly the same income, same type of businesses and same type and amounts of deductions?
jim56 on May 14, 2014 at 11:17 PM

That I have no idea and I suspect you don’t either. And even if, as you say above, those things are roughly equal what other possible demographic would one find a ratio of 10-1 to be uniform?

anuts on May 14, 2014 at 11:24 PM

My point was that you just can’t take the raw numbers (10-1) and know if the audit were done for political reasons.

Were the people audited independent contractors who took large home office deductions, for instance? Did they report offshore bank accounts? Did they have a bunch of oil and gas limited partnerships or real estate investments reported on their returns?

Those all would have been legitimate reasons to audit them and could lead to a much higher percentage of their returns being audited than average. Because “average” Americans generally don’t have those things reported on their 1040s.

jim56 on May 15, 2014 at 2:37 PM

All this crap is my own bilge, doesn’t reflect the agency, blah blah. (<–Would you believe I really do have to type this crap in here every time? /sigh)

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Thanks for the reports from the front lines.

When we rail against the IRS, please understand that we only mean the political officers and their eager supporters, not the honest foot-soldiers.

As with “The Democrats” and “The Liberals” (and “the RINOS” etc on the other side), there are many who do not rise to the level of corruption and venality of those who are actively circumventing the law and the Constitution (although they may be passively acquiescing).

However, among those who are avowed socialists or solidly on The Left, there are no innocent bystanders.

AesopFan on May 15, 2014 at 2:53 PM

jim56 on May 15, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Did you even read this article or did you read it and not believe any of it?

anuts on May 15, 2014 at 2:54 PM

No IRS employee is allowed to be armed.

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Um, what?

Midas on May 15, 2014 at 3:11 PM

jim56 on May 15, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Did you even read this article or did you read it and not believe any of it?

anuts on May 15, 2014 at 2:54 PM

I read the article and others about the 10-1 claim. I find support for some of the claims made to be lacking.

jim56 on May 15, 2014 at 3:18 PM

I read the article and others about the 10-1 claim. I find support for some of the claims made to be lacking.

jim56 on May 15, 2014 at 3:18 PM

My goodness, there’s a shock.

Midas on May 15, 2014 at 3:42 PM

Fewer than 3,400 revenue officers. That’s less than 80% of a brigade, which is less than a sixth of a corps

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 2:36 AM

Well, yes, you can do more with less when you relegate private accountants to being effectively an enforcement arm of the Service. Much like the administration is using the Service as an enforcement arm of their regulatory cabal.

The Schaef on May 15, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Will ANYONE go to jail? ANYONE????

neyney on May 15, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Will ANYONE go to jail? ANYONE????

neyney on May 15, 2014 at 4:22 PM

Maybe if justice were a priority but with the Dems in control of the Senate the priority is protecting the Administration and the Party first and foremost.

Yakko77 on May 15, 2014 at 5:44 PM

May 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm Midas

You’re right, on one of those. I was thinking of Revenue Officers, who are administrative enforcement (bureauspeak for “debt collectors”). They are never armed, as they handle civil problems (again, debt collection). If there’s someone with them who’s armed, that person works for TIGTA.

Otherwise, yeah, CI special agents do carry, and I didn’t consider them. Those are the people who work with other agencies, such as the FBI, on things like organized crime. There’s even fewer of them than RO’s (roughly a quarter), and you only see one if there’s a criminal investigation going on.

Most of the rest of those articles are quoting Ron Paul’s slice of crazy about 16,500 armed agents to enforce O-care, or are actually referring to TIGTA employees (who are completely separate from the IRS).

Asurea on May 15, 2014 at 6:20 PM

You haven’t convinced me it’s politically based. All this shows is that the IRS was trying to develop a uniform process

jim56 on May 14, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Please advise: under what “uniform process” are groups with “conservative-sounding names” have all c-3s and c-4s immediately halted and forwarded to Washington, and groups with “progressive-sounding names” have c-3s processed with a warning letter dispatched and c-4s not affected at all?

And lest you say I got this from Faux Noise or whatever, bear in mind this comes directly from documents released by Democrats that claim to refute the accusations of political bias.

The Schaef on May 16, 2014 at 9:32 AM

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