Antarctic ice shelf collapse will raise sea levels … in about 1,000 years

posted at 5:46 pm on May 14, 2014 by Bruce McQuain

The cult of global warming, aka “alarmists”,  have found a new drum on which to bang.  Scientists recently announced that the western ice shelf in Antarctica is “collapsing”.  Immediately the “Chicken Little” pronouncements of imminent doom were sounded by the usual suspects with all of it linked implicitly to AGW.  The UK’s Guardian sounded the alarm in various headlines which read:

“Two separate studies confirm loss of ice sheet is inevitable, and will cause up to 4m of additional sea-level rise

‘Collapse will change the coastline of the whole world’

Reading on into the actual findings of the studies, however, one finds that the drama that is implicit in these headlines could have been tempered a bit with a very slight modification:

But the researchers said that even though such a rise could not be stopped, it is still several centuries off, and potentially up to 1,000 years away.

Oh.  So it isn’t a crisis that will impact the world today or anytime in the near future, correct?

This is not new stuff either. This story has been popping up since 2008. I wrote about it here and here. As noted in 2008, a fairly simple discovery, not mentioned in any of these articles, proffered an explanation of why the ocean water was warming and the ice shelf in question then was melting.

“Scientists have just now discovered an active volcano under the Antarctic ice that “creates melt-water that lubricates the base of the ice sheet and increases the flow towards the sea”. That could include the Wilkins Ice Sheet as well (the article cited talks about the Larson A and B sheets.

But, say the alarmists, we’re not talking about Wilkins or the Larson sheets. We’re talking about the Thwaites glacier.

The study honed in on the Thwaites glacier – a broad glacier that is part of the Amundsen Sea. Scientists have known for years that the Thwaites glacier is the soft underbelly of the Antarctic ice sheet, and first found that it was unstable decades ago.

The University of Washington researchers said that the fast-moving Thwaites glacier could be lost in a matter of centuries. The loss of that glacier alone would raise global sea level by nearly 2ft.

Thwaites also acts as a dam that holds back the rest of the ice sheet. Once Thwaites goes, researchers said, the remaining ice in the sheet could cause another 10 to 13ft (3-4m) of global sea-level rise.

Ok. Well, let’s look at a couple of pictures then. The first is from the 2008 post I did on the volcano:

volcano

 

The second picture, from the Guardian article, shows the area of the study.  The red dot is the glacier in question:

glacier

 

Does anyone notice anything interesting?  Yes, that’s right, the glacier in question, is in the vicinity of the volcano in question.  And I don’t think anyone would argue that a undersea volcano can’t heat up the sea in the vicinity to a little higher temperature than it would be normally.  Has it had an effect?  Who knows … it doesn’t appear to have been mentioned at all in the study.  But, if you go to the Guardian article you’ll see an embedded 17 second video that attempts to explain the effect of the warmer water on the glacier.  It shows less dense (and therefore lighter) warm water somehow flowing under much denser and therefore heavier cold water to destabilize the glacier.  The only reasonable explanation for such a flow would be if the heat source were somewhere near the bottom of the ocean, no?  Otherwise its hard to explain how that warm water got below the cold water and stayed there.

But if you question things like this, you’re an ignorant nincompoop.  A “denier”, which, by the way is akin to being a member of the KKK and a Holocaust denier all in one.  However, I’m certainly not denying that something is happening in Antarctica.  I am questioning the purported cause though.  It isn’t at all unimaginable that the side of Antarctica most exposed to warmer South Pacific sea currents and experiencing volcanic activity might see some melting due to causes unrelated to CO2 put in the atmosphere by man.

That, of course, won’t stop the cultist from declaring themselves to be the ones with science on their side and deniers to be the fact-challenged among us.  Here’s a perfect example of that phenomenon from today’s NYT:

But the unfortunate fact about uncertainty is that the error bars always go in both directions. While it is possible that the problem could turn out to be less serious than the consensus forecast, it is equally likely to turn out to be more serious. In fact, it increasingly appears that, if there is any systemic bias in the climate models, it’s that they understate the gravity of the situation. In an interesting paper that appeared in the journal Global Environmental Change, a group of scholars, including Naomi Oreskes, a historian of science at Harvard, and Michael Oppenheimer, a geoscientist at Princeton, note that so-called climate skeptics frequently accuse climate scientists of “alarmism” and “overreacting to evidence of human impacts on the climate system.” But, when you actually measure the predictions that climate scientists have made against observations of how the climate has already changed, you find the exact opposite: a pattern “of under- rather than over-prediction” emerges.

Really?  If that’s the case, that should be pretty easy to demonstrate, shouldn’t it? Since pictures are worth 1,000 words, here’s a little picture I picked up over at The Federalist that does exactly that – it demonstrates that the pattern of the climate models is exactly as the “deniers” have claimed they are:

Climate-Model-Comparison-1024x921

Somehow, the claimant from the NYT couldn’t be bothered to actually fact check.  Instead she swallowed whole the alarmist line and regurgitated it with the usual ignorant literary smirk found in most of their fact free writing.

Sean Davis sums up the argument for most “deniers” very well:

I have a simple rule when it comes to people who want me to invest obscene sums of money in their forecasts of discrete future events: just be accurate. If you come to me and tell me you can predict future stock market performance based on these five factors, then you had better predict future stock market performance based on those five factors. All you have to do is be correct, over and over again. But if your predictive model is wrong, I’m not going to give you any money, and I’m certainly not going to pretend that what you just did is science. Any idiot can make incorrect guesses about the future.

Science, properly practiced, is the search for truth. Science, properly practiced, rejects forecasting models that consistently produce inaccurate forecasts. There’s nothing scientific about shouting down anyone who has the audacity to point out that the only thing your model can accurately predict is what the temperature won’t be.

Indeed.

~McQ


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Kerry is now a blowhard for this.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2014 at 5:48 PM

Director Gareth Edwards: ‘If nature had a mascot, it would be Godzilla. So what do the other creatures represent? They represent man’s abuse of nature, and the idea is that Godzilla is coming to restore balance to something mankind has disrupted.’

Not spending my money on that garbage.

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 5:49 PM

Flashback: Hansen’s climate model says ice age to occur by 2021, ‘no need to worry about CO2′
Flashback from the Washington Times, July 9, 1971, a NASA scientist using a “computer program developed by Dr. James Hansen” predicted an ice age would occur within 50-60 years. According to Hansen’s computer model, “they found no need to worry about the carbon dioxide fuel-burning puts in the atmosphere.”

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2014/05/flashback-hansens-climate-model-says.html

S C I E N C E !

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 5:51 PM

A less ideologically pure specimen might have modified their views in the face of contary facts. But not you! Your fanatical devotion to a discredited argument is hereby recognized.
>

rogerb on May 14, 2014 at 5:52 PM

I like how people think they can sit on their couches and dispute scientific findings.
I think climate change is real, I just don’t support it being used to tax me.

weedisgood on May 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Science, properly practiced, is the search for truth. Science, properly practiced, rejects forecasting models that consistently produce inaccurate forecasts. There’s nothing scientific about shouting down anyone who has the audacity to point out that the only thing your model can accurately predict is what the temperature won’t be.

WHAT?! WHAT!? BLASPHEME! Stone him!

No serious scientist believes this bunk, anymore. As that Libby Freordie person, for pete’s sake.

Chuck Ef on May 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Kerry is now a blowhard for this.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2014 at 5:48 PM

You’d rather have him dealing with Ukraine/Russia (he failed), Israel/Radical Islam pretending to be seeking peace (he failed), or Iran’s nuclear programs (epic fail).

Seriously, what else would you have the filthy traitor do?

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Oh, and I’ll just leave this one here, too
 

This is typical of the anti-intellectual streak on the right of late. You insist that no matter how badly prepared you are to do the math yourself that you simply MUST be as smart as the experts in the field. So naturally when your numbers come out different it’s their fault.
 
Tlaloc on May 13, 2014 at 4:47 PM

rogerb on May 14, 2014 at 5:55 PM

I would put more money on Jesus returning to Earth…

hillsoftx on May 14, 2014 at 5:55 PM

You can’t even get 3 days in the future correct. Oh, please.

Oil Can on May 14, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Then there is this!

Sven on May 14, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Buying up the appropriate land now. Why I have no freaking clue. Waterfront may or may not be valuable in a thousand years

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 5:57 PM

,

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 5:58 PM

If the right is so anti intellectual, why aren’t we pushing these Globull warming fools in front of traffic?

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 5:58 PM

Can the melted ice not be redeposited somewhere else on the ice sheet at any time during that 1000 years? Or once it’s melted, it’s not allowed to refreeze and must doom us to needing our high-water pants.

jdpaz on May 14, 2014 at 5:59 PM

rogerb on May 14, 2014 at 5:55 PM

In fairness rogerb, Tlaloc may consider himself one of the above average Americans.

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 6:00 PM

The only reasonable explanation for such a flow would be if the heat source were somewhere near the bottom of the ocean, no?

Yes, ’cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot …

burrata on May 14, 2014 at 6:00 PM

The cult of global warming, aka “alarmists”, have found a new drum on which to bang.

That’s becase the cold drum was beaten to death:

During the 1970s the media promoted global cooling alarmism with dire threats of a new ice age.

rukiddingme on May 14, 2014 at 6:00 PM

I like how people think they can sit on their couches and dispute scientific findings.
I think climate change is real, I just don’t support it being used to tax me.

weedisgood on May 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM

*points and laughs*

Keep jabbering, weedboy.

Midas on May 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM

It wasn’t even 50 years ago they were going to spread dark material on the caps to prevent the coming ice age, and now they want us to prostate ourselves to this even lesser god.

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Hey, we need the water.

Pork-Chop on May 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM

*prostrate lol

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM

rogerb on May 14, 2014 at 5:55 PM

 
In fairness rogerb, Tlaloc may consider himself one of the above average Americans.
 
Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 6:00 PM

 
I have no doubt. I’m hoping he and triple tell us all about SCIENCE! in this thread.

rogerb on May 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM

OT-

Fox News breaking next smoking gun in IRS targeting. E-mail from Lois Lerner specifically saying which groups should be targeted and an e-mail from Carl Levin that specifically targeted 12 groups that he thought the IRS should investigate.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Quick – throw a virgin into that volcano!!!
That will stop the imminent disaster that’s only 500 days away!!!!!!

And if that doesn’t work, give algore ALL of our money, and throw another virgin in the volcano. THAT should work.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Then there is this!

Sven on May 14, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Antarctic ice @35 year high according to Washington Post yet we are all going to drown from melting sea ice. It’s at least a head scratcher if not an outright conundrum.

jmtham156 on May 14, 2014 at 6:05 PM

All this means is that if humanity even survives the next 30, 50, 100, 1000 years we just need to start planning and building more appropriately.

Leftists, take a walk, you aren’t needed (anywhere or anytime).

Diluculo on May 14, 2014 at 6:05 PM

In fairness rogerb, Tlaloc may consider himself one of the above average Americans.

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 6:00 PM

I have no doubt. I’m hoping he and triple tell us all about SCIENCE! in this thread.

rogerb on May 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Ooh, ooh – can they use the voice of that geezer in the Thomas Dolby song? Please?

Midas on May 14, 2014 at 6:06 PM

I think climate change is real, I just don’t support it being used to tax me.

weedisgood on May 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Climate change IS real – it has always changed and always will change.
The fraud is that humans are causing something that has been happening naturally for billions of years.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 5:58 PM


I think
, literally, your point didn’t come across …

… or the link either.

Then again, I AM a well known comma denier.

;->

PolAgnostic on May 14, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Oh, so now you people want the revered climate scientarians to be right all the time?

That’s not sciency. That’s just bullying.

#stopthebossiness

Dolce Far Niente on May 14, 2014 at 6:08 PM

It wasn’t even 50 years ago they were going to spread dark material on the caps to prevent the coming ice age, and now they want us to prostate ourselves to this even lesser god.

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 6:02 PM

Close – it will be algore giving us the old prostate treatment…

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:08 PM

1000 years, sort of cuts off the head of chicken little screaming “catastrophe! Spend money!”, doesn’t it? Of course the chicken can still randomly run for awhile afterwards. Then fall and kick and flap its wings. So expect them to still run around flapping wings as a way to deal with the cognitive dissonance.

jake49 on May 14, 2014 at 6:10 PM

OT-

Fox News breaking next smoking gun in IRS targeting. E-mail from Lois Lerner specifically saying which groups should be targeted and an e-mail from Carl Levin that specifically targeted 12 groups that he thought the IRS should investigate.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 6:03 PM

TRS linked it a little while ago
http://therightscoop.com/new-judicial-watch-emails-reveal-washington-dc-office-directed-targeting-of-tea-party-groups/
fascinating stuff .

burrata on May 14, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Alternately:

And if that doesn’t work, give algore ALL of our money the virgin, and throw another virgin all our money in the volcano. THAT should work.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Dolce Far Niente on May 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Oh, so now you people want the revered climate scientarians to be right all the time?

That’s not sciency. That’s just bullying.

#stopthebossiness

Dolce Far Niente on May 14, 2014 at 6:08 PM

All of the time? na, how about just once in a damned while?

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Thank Gaia Al Goar has already made his wad off’n this crapola.

vnvet on May 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Oh, so now you people want the revered climate scientarians to be right all the time?

That’s not sciency. That’s just bullying.

#stopthebossiness

Dolce Far Niente on May 14, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Of course not – it doesn’t matter if they’re right – they have consensus – so it’s settled.
(even if they’re wrong)

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

I don’t know how I can write this without it being a small novel. This morning I woke up to the TV on a PBS show “Ribbon of Sand” about the Outer Banks of N.C.. While showing beautiful video of the habitat the narrator had numerous jabs at the destruction of these barrier islands due to rising seas from guess what? That’s right, man made global warming, they even had a term for the atmosphere altered by man. Not 2 minutes after spouting this hooey, they stated that these barrier islands were not there when Christopher Columbus traveled the area, they were just sand bars. Gee, why weren’t they there? What was the CO2 levels when old Chris was roaming the seas and who’s fault was it? At intervals of the show Merle Streep piped in with dramatic readings from the words of Rachael Carson. You remember her, the lady who’s work keeps malaria alive and well

Cindy Munford on May 14, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Chuck Ef on May 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM

“Ask” ^, not “As” …. FIFM – grin.

Chuck Ef on May 14, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Fox News breaking next smoking gun in IRS targeting. E-mail from Lois Lerner specifically saying which groups should be targeted and an e-mail from Carl Levin that specifically targeted 12 groups that he thought the IRS should investigate.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Not a smidgen of corruption.

Midas on May 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Climate change IS real – it has always changed and always will change.
The fraud is that humans are causing something that has been happening naturally for billions of years.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Of course climate change is real. Was yesterday’s weather just like today’s?

But you can’t take a couple hundred years worth of data (at most) and extrapolate out long-term trends. And it is the height or arrogance to think that any contribution that man made to change the climate can be erased by heavy taxation and unrealistic regulations.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

The settled science of global warming has new variables added to it almost daily. So absurd.

cimbri on May 14, 2014 at 6:15 PM

We need a volcano tax, a glacier tax and an ice tax.

All of them are contributing to climate change.

MichaelGabriel on May 14, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Get cher red hot shore line propity right here! Get it while it’s hot! Get it while it’s still usable! Get a beach front hideaway while ya kin! Buy now before the prices go up! Just announced: sea side plots for pennies on the dollar! New inventory! Getcher sea side plot before Antarctica swallows it up! New lots just available before the submerge occurs… Getem while they’re hot!
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C’mon, step right up, who’s first !!??

ExpressoBold on May 14, 2014 at 6:16 PM

All of the time? na, how about just once in a damned while?

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Bully.

#stopthebossiness

Dolce Far Niente on May 14, 2014 at 6:16 PM

Fox News breaking next smoking gun in IRS targeting. E-mail from Lois Lerner specifically saying which groups should be targeted and an e-mail from Carl Levin that specifically targeted 12 groups that he thought the IRS should investigate.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Crucify them. Literally get some posts and nails and crucify these tyrants.

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 6:17 PM

The settled science of global warming has new variables added to it almost daily. So absurd.

HERP DERP

cimbri on May 14, 2014 at 6:15 PM

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Climate Chaos is the new term, you scientific-correctness bullies.

#BringBackOurCredibility

Dolce Far Niente on May 14, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Not a smidgen of corruption.

Midas on May 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Well, technically, that isn’t a smidgen… He11, smattering doesn’t even cover that. Endemic and systemic might be adequate coverage of what that represents.

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:18 PM

#waterworld #prophetic #costnerclimatescientist

Midas on May 14, 2014 at 6:18 PM

***************** Hysteria Runneth Amucks ************************!!

canopfor on May 14, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Not a smidgen of corruption.

Midas on May 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

So wait! Was the IRS targeting “not a smidgen of corruption.” I thought that was Obamacare. Or was that a political stunt? I know that fast and furious was an exercise in executive privilege.

Face it, these new scandals including Eric Shinseki deliberately killing veterans are goning to be lost in the news.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Is climate change real? Yes, and predominantly driven by natural forces beyond the power of man to control. (mostly the sun, minutely changes in geography)
Do humans affect the climate. Predominantly on a micro level. Think large city. Kilimanjaro is losing its snow and ice cover because humans axed the forests that fed it the water that turned into snow. Cities have heat island effects and can change rain patterns nearby. On the macro level, very very little.

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Of course climate change is real. Was yesterday’s weather just like today’s?

But you can’t take a couple hundred years worth of data (at most) and extrapolate out long-term trends. And it is the height or arrogance to think that any contribution that man made to change the climate can be erased by heavy taxation and unrealistic regulations.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 6:14 PM

You want climate change?
Saturday I was out mowing the yard in a t-shirt with temps in the high 60s.
Sunday we had a major snow storm move in with temps down into the low 30s, and then cold enough overnight to freeze and crack the backflow valve on my sprinkler system.

RE extrapolating data – my dad was a career meteorologist and I have previously worked with several different meteorologist types – until the AGW crowd changed everything to fit their story – the base unit of measure of climatology USED TO BE 10,000 years. But using that base unit of measure didn’t fit with their AGW fraud – so they changed it to 30 years, and now apparently to 10 years.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Boehner needs to give Holder a deadline to arrest Ms. Lerner, if he doesn’t then he needs to arrest her. Period. This abuse is serious.

Cindy Munford on May 14, 2014 at 6:25 PM

PolAgnostic on May 14, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Lol. It needed a comma. My comment left without it’s comma.

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Opps wrong thread.

Cindy Munford on May 14, 2014 at 6:25 PM

I watched this,….a few years ago,..wait till they get into CO2 and Ice Cores:

The great global warming swindle – Full version
******************************** ************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtevF4B4RtQ

canopfor on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Here is a simple arctic ice melt experiment…

1) Take a glass, fill said glass with ice,
2) then fill glass to brim with water,
3) mark waterline…
4) wait until ice melts
5) mark waterline after melt.
6) compare the difference between waterline in 3) and Waterline in 5).
7)…. Did you learn anything?

Hint… Water expands when it freezes, thus taking up a larger area of volume. The Arctic Ice is floating on the Arctic Ocean, when it melts (if it ever does) it will take up a reduced volumetric area as opposed to an increased volumetric area. In short… World Wide Ocean levels will decrease, not increase.

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

1. When the alarmists live like they want the rest of us to live, I’ll believe their lies.

2. Can’t tell me what the weather will be in 3 days but can tell me what it will be like in a 1000? Of course ZERO predictions have been proven by reality and fact.

3. The rhetoric is going to go to ELEVEN! The more their lies are by reality the greater they are going to lie.

4. All the democrat party has to run on is fear and libelous slander of playing the race card.

5. If the progressive-fascists (BIRM) are this early in the midterms going for it so hard, It. Must. Be. Bad.

6. Sadly, I await the GOP to snatch defeat (amnesty).

jukin3 on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Opps wrong thread.

Cindy Munford on May 14, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Cat thread?

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Climate change IS real – it has always changed and always will change.
The fraud is that humans are causing something that has been happening naturally for billions of years.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:06 PM

.
I would expand upon your point …

The FRAUD is, if there is global warming, the idea humans can or should do something about it.

Three simple facts:

1) NONE of the models mentioned above take extraterrestial phenomena into account. Specifically, despite mounting PROOF gamma rays strongly effect cloud formation, the global warmers answer is to simply DENY they have ANY effect.

2) The Earth is an amazing blue marble of complex physical systems we don’t fully understand (ask an AGW proponent to explain how the movement of the poles has been accounted for in their models {Answer: It hasn’t} since we KNOW the Sahara used to be as fertile as the Midwest of the United States) and LACK THE SCIENCE/MATH required for modeling. Does this deter the “modelers”? Not in the least. Ask the “modelers” how many variables they have used internal to their models? Answer: Thousands – don’t worry though, they SAY that is sufficient to generate ACCURATE data. Horseshite! If you want to make and accurate computer model of the Earth – wait 30 to 50 years until we have the hardware to crunch trillions of variables and, most importantly, the AI to DESIGN the model which will be more complex than the human mind can fathom.

3) We are BETWEEN Ice Ages. This science IS settled. Another Ice Age is coming BUT NO ONE CAN PREDICT WHENbecause we don’t understand the climate well enough to make computer models that can accurately reproduce the periods of global glacialization shown in the GLACIERS all around the world.

Get the picture?

Global warming/climate change is a CON GAME designed by the STUPID for the STUPID.

PolAgnostic on May 14, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

No, I think I wanted a headline thread. I’m so confused.

Cindy Munford on May 14, 2014 at 6:31 PM

If only the people who were in charge in the year 1014 had put more thought into what kind of energy we should be using by now – then we’d be in such better shape to prevent the impending disasters of the year 3014.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:32 PM

PolAgnostic on May 14, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Ya – There is soooooo much wrong with this, and sooooo much that needs to be said – we can’t possibly hit it all in these little HA posts – they would be unbearably and unreadably long.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:34 PM

So basically climate change is BS we know it is…

sorrowen on May 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM

I guess triple doesn’t dare try again after getting beaten so badly in the earlier Antarctic ice shelf headline thread.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:35 PM

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

I thought the same thing yesterday, but apparently, while the ice is below sea level, it is grounded onto the solid ocean floor. Thus it could increase sea level some.
But, as others say, it has nothing to do with global warming, and everything to do with a volcano. That volcano could stop spitting out hot lava or it could super size, but there is nothing for us to do other than to build appropriately based on a tiny increase in the rate of ocean rise.

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 6:36 PM

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

I had a slightly different demo of this the other night.
The water in my sprinkler system was perfectly well contained in the pipes – until the temps dropped below freezing – at which point the ice expanded to the point of forcing its way up through the backflow valve, and of course cracking the valve along the way.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:38 PM

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

It stays the same. The ice shrinks as it liquifies to equal the volume of the subsurface ice.

cozmo on May 14, 2014 at 6:40 PM

but there is nothing for us to do other than to build appropriately based on a tiny increase in the rate of ocean rise.

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Uh huhhhhh – give all your money to algore, and throw a virgin into the volcano.
Pay attention here people, I’m trying to save the lives of your great great great great……… great grandchildren.

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:41 PM

Just follow the money. Who’s raking in the big bucks? Al Gore and a bunch of Dem contribution bundlers. And all those science guys getting big, fat research grants.As long as Ogabe hands out billions of US taxpayer money to his cronies, “climate chaos” is the flavor of the day.

catsandbooks on May 14, 2014 at 6:42 PM

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

But when you boil it all down (by which time the water is all gone), I don’t care if the glass is half full or half empty – I’m an engineer, so the glass is just twice as big as it needs to be….
;)

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:43 PM

dentarthurdent on May 14, 2014 at 6:41 PM

And stop ALL agriculture to lessen the subsurface alluvial buildup that is part of the conspiracy to sink coastal areas with silt deficiencies.

cozmo on May 14, 2014 at 6:44 PM

To quote Luke Perry in The Fifth Element, “so I’ve got some time?”

Chewable Jim on May 14, 2014 at 6:48 PM

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

I thought the same thing yesterday, but apparently, while the ice is below sea level, it is grounded onto the solid ocean floor. Thus it could increase sea level some.
But, as others say, it has nothing to do with global warming, and everything to do with a volcano. That volcano could stop spitting out hot lava or it could super size, but there is nothing for us to do other than to build appropriately based on a tiny increase in the rate of ocean rise.

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Arctic vs Antarctic. There is no land under the Arctic sea ice (well, not for about 3 miles or so) Antarctic sea ice still rests on the oceans surface (it floats), thus displaces a greater volume while ice, then it does as water.

The majority (over 70 percent) of Antarctic ice sits on the Antarctic continent, thus has zero impact on worldwide oceanic levels unless the premises is that all of that land based ice were to melt.

So, the only way the melting of Antarctic ice raises worldwide sea levels, is if the ice melting, is the ice on the continent of Antarctica itself.

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:48 PM

Seems appropriate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4UFQWKjy_I

ThePrez on May 14, 2014 at 6:48 PM

OMG! This could affect my great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great etc…grandchildren. Oh the humanity, and the future polar bears…waaaay on the future but still. Whatever will we do?

neyney on May 14, 2014 at 6:49 PM

The polar bears are ok…(sarc)…

sorrowen on May 14, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Yeah now but what about in the year 3000? S/

neyney on May 14, 2014 at 6:51 PM

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

It stays the same. The ice shrinks as it liquifies to equal the volume of the subsurface ice.

cozmo on May 14, 2014 at 6:40 PM

Put your pants back on, and put your crack pipe away. Volume does not equal mass.

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:56 PM

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:48 PM

We mostly agree here, but you seem to miss a point.
In Antarctica at the edge of the continent is the same kind of slowly increasing depth water as most continental coasts have. If the water is 500 feet deep and the ice there is any thicker than around 560.28 feet, it is not in fact FLOATING, but is grounded, with only about 560.28 feet worth of its ice not effecting ocean levels if it in fact melts. But every bit above that 560.28 foot thickness will count in adding water to the ocean if it melts.

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 6:58 PM

Yeah now but what about in the year 3000? S/

neyney on May 14, 2014 at 6:51 PM

There are no polar bears in Antarctica, never have been, just as their are no penguins in the Arctic circle.

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:58 PM

I think climate change is real….

weedisgood on May 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM

Hey weed, I think climate change is very real. Why, it was in the 50′s and storming in San Antonio yesterday, and today it’s in the high 70′s. Tomorrow it will be in the 80′s. Talk about a warming trend, there it is.

And believe me, I’m just as upset as you that it can’t be 75 and sunny with 10% humidity every day. But when it is, BAM!, the next day the climate changes.

NOMOBO on May 14, 2014 at 6:59 PM

oscarwilde on May 14, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Not mass, displacement.

An ice cube displaces as much water as the ice cube would if it was not frozen water.

Basic ninth grade physical science experiment.

cozmo on May 14, 2014 at 7:02 PM

I think climate change is real, I just don’t support it being used to tax me.

weedisgood on May 14, 2014 at 5:54 PM

I believe in Santa Claus, he brings me sh!t.

Cindy Munford on May 14, 2014 at 7:03 PM

How can a glacier that is already sitting in the ocean raise sea levels.
That is like saying when your ice cubes melt n your iced tea the level will raise and spill
out of the glass….
What about evaporation? When that ice melts, it turns to water and will evaporate.
So how do they get 13 ft raise in sea levels?
And in 1000 years??? That means more ocean front property.
And LA and New York will be underwater.
That is a win-win…..

redguy on May 14, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Relax there Archimedes.

Murphy9 on May 14, 2014 at 7:09 PM

Whatever will we do?

neyney on May 14, 2014 at 6:49 PM

Breed cats to attack when somebody attempts to raise the temp on a thermostat.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 7:09 PM

redguy on May 14, 2014 at 7:04 PM

Read this…

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 6:58 PM

astonerii on May 14, 2014 at 7:14 PM

Not to MENTION the fact that this glacier ALREADY DID THIS ONCE BEFORE, 3.5 millions years ago!

Who’d they blame THEN?!

tree hugging sister on May 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM

OK according to the article we can’t stop or reverse or even really slow this from happening, but we need to give them a Bazillion dollars anyway?

They must have just gotten their weed shipment in from Colorado.

Johnnyreb on May 14, 2014 at 7:18 PM

Seriously, what else would you have the filthy traitor do?

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2014 at 5:55 PM

I have a few suggestions but I’d be banned if I posted them here. I will tell you though that one particular favorite of mine involves Kerry, Jane Fonda, a cattle prod and a 55 gallon drum of KY jelly.

Oldnuke on May 14, 2014 at 7:19 PM

I am glad the science is settled. I have had a few questions and now I can finally get some answers.

1) When will New York be under a mile of ice again? Since the science is settled they know when the next ice age is going to begin and when New York will once again be under over a mile of ice. So are we still warming from the “old” ice age are are we cooling starting towards the new ice age? If we are still warming, then how much is from man and how much from the ice age cycle? If the cooling is starting, let’s get more cows to fart and slow it down!

2) Since cow farts contribute more to Global Warming than all the autos in the US, how many cow farts equal one Earth fart (volcano)? I mean really, one volcano has to equal millions of cow farts, right? But since the science is settled there should be a chart of equivalency.

3) Which model is correct? I am glad the science is settled! In the article above (90) and in the IPCC5 they have all these different models. Since the science is settled, we don’t need to pay for at least 89 of them any more! We can save billions and lots of global warming by not sending all those theorists to conferences and paying their research because it is finally SETTLED! Ain’t it great!

Can anyone who thinks the science is settled please answer my three simple questions? If you cannot, then I don’t think the science is quite settled.

barnone on May 14, 2014 at 7:20 PM

All I’m wondering is: will we have lightsabers and hyperspace travel by then?

Nutstuyu on May 14, 2014 at 7:22 PM

Nutstuyu on May 14, 2014 at 7:22 PM

We won’t, but Skynet will.

cozmo on May 14, 2014 at 7:23 PM

May 14, 2014 at 7:20 pm barnone

I can: raaaaaacist!!!11!1!!!1!1!!1

Nutstuyu on May 14, 2014 at 7:27 PM

Cold Schadenfreude

Bmore on May 14, 2014 at 7:29 PM

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