Rubio: “Of course the climate is changing”

posted at 7:21 pm on May 13, 2014 by Allahpundit

Where does this fall on the spectrum of Republican global-warming heresies? Major, minor, or no heresy at all? A GOPer who argued that climate change is happening, man is causing it, and we should do what we can to mitigate it is DOA as a national candidate. One who argued that it’s happening and that man is causing it but that we either shouldn’t act or it’s too late to act is on very thin ice (no pun intended), but might be able to skate. Rubio’s take today, an elaboration of his comments on climate change over the weekend, is a twist on the latter: Climate change is happening but it might not be man-made, and even if it is, unilateral mitigation efforts by the U.S. are pointless and economically destructive. A global problem requires a global solution, assuming a man-made solution is even feasible. Which raises the question: What would President Rubio do if China and the other major polluters proposed a deal to reduce emissions? Would the global buy-in cause him to reconsider his opposition to regulation or would the U.S. reject the deal on economic grounds? You trust a guy who swore he was anti-amnesty as a candidate in 2010 before championing the Gang of Eight bill to be a stickler on this issue, at least, right?

I’m needling Rubio here but I’ll defend him from this point raised by lefty Benjy Sarlin:

Then things took a bizarre turn. Rubio said he objected to “cap and trade” legislation designed to reduce emissions – not because such reductions were unnecessary, but because he thought other countries wouldn’t follow suit with similar legislation of their own.

“What I disagree with is the notion if we pass cap and trade, for example, this will stop this from happening, when in fact half of the new emissions on the planet are coming from developing countries and half of that is coming from one country, China, that isn’t going to follow whatever laws we pass,” he said.

Given that Rubio said in an interview with ABC News over the weekend that he doesn’t believe “human activity” does much to influence the climate in the first place, this makes about as much sense as arguing against a bill to eliminate all vowels from the alphabet because Europe won’t match America’s letter-reducing fervor.

I think Rubio’s just arguing in the alternative. He doesn’t think reducing emissions will ease global warming, but even if you do, you need to explain to him how unilateral U.S. reductions will stop China from belching endless tons of carbon into the atmosphere. His whole point here is that it doesn’t matter what one believes about what’s causing climate change; even if the warmists are right, there’s no global policy solution to their problem right now. That’s his way of steering the conversation away from the cause-and-effect debate, which the left is interested in because they want to brand him as anti-science and “radical.” And if the answer to all this is that the U.S. shouldn’t wait to act until other countries do, I’d remind you that political actors routinely do that sort of thing. The classic example domestically is liberals and taxes. They support raising taxes, including on themselves, in the name of reducing the deficit, but hardly any of them volunteer to pay more even though collectively doing so would put a dent in the deficit. They’ll pay more if and only if all Americans pay, as a matter of law. Rubio’s taking the same position vis-a-vis climate change, albeit with the caveat that he doubts “paying more” in terms of reducing emissions will do much to affect the climate. Next time he’s asked about this, he should redirect the question the way the Free Beacon did. Namely, if Democrats care so much about global warming, even at the expense of economic growth, how come Harry Reid’s taking his sweet-ass time in pushing a bill? Didn’t they have a veto-proof majority in Congress a few years ago where they could have passed cap-and-trade? What happened?

Anyway. This is hot-button fun but it wasn’t the subject Rubio set out to talk about today. He was at the podium to discuss entitlement reform, which is no small thing for a senator from Florida to tackle. Here’s the transcript; his core idea is opening up Congress’s retirement plan to Americans who lack a 401(k) at work.


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The climate is changing. I feel a cold front moving in, chilling Republican chances in the fall because of their movement toward amnesty and their laser-like focus on pissing off their base.

xNavigator on May 13, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Rand Paul to condemn as “divisive” in 3…2…1…

will77jeff on May 13, 2014 at 7:25 PM

He is playing the field and setting up the slightly Left leaning Independents to vote for him. Just like Bush II did when he said “of course I will sign the assault weapons bill if Congress sends it to me”.

They both know it would never happen.

Johnnyreb on May 13, 2014 at 7:26 PM

I think he answered it deftly.

terryannonline on May 13, 2014 at 7:26 PM

Rubio:

Stopped right there.

Bitter Clinger on May 13, 2014 at 7:28 PM

I’m liking Marco 2.1 better than 2.0.

I’d still like to see 1.0 reunite.

kcewa on May 13, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Rand Paul to condemn as “divisive” in 3…2…1…

will77jeff on May 13, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Rand Paul’s spokesperson to release a statement saying that by using the word “divisive” he didn’t necessarily mean “divisive” in 1…2…3…

kcewa on May 13, 2014 at 7:31 PM

http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-Bill-Nye-interview-C N N-climate.jpg

You will have to close the gaps in c n n.

davidk on May 13, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Looking at this page on HA, with Rand Paul splitting hairs over what he said when he said what he said, and Rubio, who claimed he was anti-amnesty before the 2010 elections only to co-write and champion the Gang of Eight Bill, but now maintains he’s definitely, sort of, against cap and trade, brings the problems of the GOP into stark clarity.

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Dancing on the head of a needle.

portlandon on May 13, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Climate change is happening but it might not be man-made, and even if it is, unilateral mitigation efforts by the U.S. are pointless and economically destructive.

Seems like a pretty reasonable position. Who’s going to find it an heresy?

Perhaps it’s blasphemous for 2% of the Republicans. Then again, regardless of how much noise they can produce, they’re still 2%.

joana on May 13, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Is the climate changing. Yeah maybe maybe not. We haven’t been around that long and we have been keeping records even less. Maybe it’s the natural cycle of the earth. I don’t know.

But whenever I hear about agreements about emission around the world I get mad, because that would basically be a big giant FU to progress on the African continent. It’s like asking them to be poor forever so Europeans can feel good about themselves. F that sh!t.

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 7:35 PM

You get a reduction/increase in sun spots or a gianormous volcanic eruption and the climate changes. Then something else happens and it changes again, and other than on localized and short-term levels, humans have little or no say on which way it changes. So compared to something like Michael Gerson’s hand-wringing column today, Rubio’s statement is nothing for people on the right to get worked up about.

jon1979 on May 13, 2014 at 7:39 PM

Mitt said the climate was changing and that man was responsible for it. Rush Limbaugh said “bye bye nomination.” We know how all of that turned out.

El_Terrible on May 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Looking at this page on HA, with Rand Paul splitting hairs over what he said when he said what he said, and Rubio, who claimed he was anti-amnesty before the 2010 elections only to co-write and champion the Gang of Eight Bill, but now maintains he’s definitely, sort of, against cap and trade, brings the problems of the GOP into stark clarity.

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Exactly. State your position without equivocation.

davidk on May 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 7:35 PM

It sounds to me like you have a passion for ‘the African continent’. Perhaps you should do something a little more constructive and proactive to spur ‘progress’ there than making very thinly veiled racist comments on a blog from the comfort of you easy chair. Perhaps you should sign up with one of the many charitable organizations established specifically to facilitate development and ‘progress’ on ‘the African continent’, of course, you may have to work side by side with some ‘Europeans’, but we all have to make sacrifices for our passions.

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM

joana on May 13, 2014 at 7:35 PM

What y’all do, joana…send both Rand and Rubio to McConnell, McCain & Graham’s tutorial course for “Hypocritical Doublespeak 101?”

lineholder on May 13, 2014 at 7:44 PM

It sounds to me like you have a passion for ‘the African continent’. Perhaps you should do something a little more constructive and proactive to spur ‘progress’ there than making very thinly veiled racist comments on a blog from the comfort of you easy chair. Perhaps you should sign up with one of the many charitable organizations established specifically to facilitate development and ‘progress’ on ‘the African continent’, of course, you may have to work side by side with some ‘Europeans’, but we all have to make sacrifices for our passions.

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM

And you know I am not doing anything to help people on the African Continent how? Please share with us.

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 7:46 PM

You can tell he’s running for president because he’s ruined his face with some bizarre cosmetic-surgery procedure. Fillers, probably.

He literally doesn’t look like the same guy anymore. Let’s hope he stops before he goes Kerry on us.

A Chair of Some Kind on May 13, 2014 at 7:47 PM

Smart people believe this.

Recent temps indicate some recent warming – but not the past 15 years.

Warming might be due to CO2 emissions. There’s a logical mechanism, but insufficient evidence to support a definitive claim.

blink on May 13, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Actually at this point we do have sufficient evidence that increasing atmospheric CO2 concentrations in and of themselves do not cause warming as CO2 emissions have increased in the last 17 years and there has been no corresponding warming.

No matter how NASA tries to cook the books, any actual measurable warming has stopped. And if they would leave the raw numbers alone and quit adjusting current temps up and historic temps down, we would be seeing a slight downward trend in temps in the last 17 years.

Johnnyreb on May 13, 2014 at 7:48 PM

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Better still, prove you’re doing more than complaining on a blog.

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Exactly. State your position without equivocation.

davidk on May 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM

Yep.

Much of the country — especially in this day and age — is starving for a leader who possesses courage above all other virtues.

It mystifies me (well, not really — it’s likely that DC bubble) that 99% of these pols don’t understand that …

ShainS on May 13, 2014 at 7:48 PM

And you know I am not doing anything to help people on the African Continent how? Please share with us.

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Because you are a typical self-centered lib.

davidk on May 13, 2014 at 7:51 PM

You can tell he’s running for president because he’s ruined his face with some bizarre cosmetic-surgery procedure. Fillers, probably.

I don’t see a difference. His face has always been pudgy.

terryannonline on May 13, 2014 at 7:51 PM

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:34 PM

Our “leaders” are afraid to get on the wrong side of our opponents. Peobably because they know whose going to win.

At least these guys think it’s hilarious

kcewa on May 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM

blink on May 13, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Tend to agree with this theory. You never hear about any potential benefits of a warming climate, just the potential downfall.

Just found this though.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9057151/carry-on-warming/

CTSherman on May 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM

I always wondered how these old great civilizations fell. And here we are.

All of our science, and tech and industrialization,.. the ability to land on the moon.. and yet let the witch doctors shake their sticks and rattle some beads and proclaim the weather gods are angry and will send a drought, flood, hurricane because of our sins and we all shake.

It’s the same stupid crap.

JellyToast on May 13, 2014 at 7:55 PM

But whenever I hear about agreements about emission around the world I get mad, because that would basically be a big giant FU to progress on the African continent. It’s like asking them to be poor forever so Europeans can feel good about themselves. F that sh!t.

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 7:35 PM

I don’t speak or read the Austrian language. Can you please repost this in English?

Meanwhile, you might enjoy this. Do you also give Bush credit for his work trying to help Africa as President?

UK Telegraph:

Barack Obama praises George W Bush’s Africa Aids programme as paths cross in Tanzania

Barack Obama has praised his predecessor George W Bush’s work for Africa as the two men met in Tanzania during the current US president’s visit to the world’s poorest continent.

-snip-

Mr Bush’s Aids programme Pepfar – the President’s Emergency Plan for Aids Relief – was “one of his crowning achievements”, said Mr Obama, paying generous tribute to his predecessor during the last leg of his own Africa trip.

“The fact of the matter is that we are serving four times the number of people today than we were when Pepfar first began,” he said.

-snip-

Gallup, a US-based polling organisation, found that Senegalese, South Africans and Tanzanians had all lost some faith in the US since the high-point of Mr Obama’s first term.

In Tanzania, approval ratings fell by almost a quarter between 2009 and 2012, to 70 percent. This is still higher than when Mr Bush was president, however.

“We love Obama because his father was an African, he is the first African American in the White House, and that has inspired us,” said Ali Rashid, a travel agent in Dar es Salaam.

“But the fact is that so far he has not done as much to help Africans as President Bush did. We understand he has problems at home, but truly we are still hoping that he will help us more before he retires.”

Del Dolemonte on May 13, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Much of the country — especially in this day and age — is starving for a leader who possesses courage above all other virtues.

It mystifies me (well, not really — it’s likely that DC bubble) that 99% of these pols don’t understand that …

ShainS on May 13, 2014 at 7:48 PM

Sure. That’s why the current POTUS is a guy who got elected by basically being a Rorschach test, right?

Never believe your own spit. Don’t let your wishes to cloud your judgement.

joana on May 13, 2014 at 7:55 PM

kcewa on May 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM

lol! Seriously, that link should come with a warning. :)

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Who’s…not “whose”

kcewa on May 13, 2014 at 7:55 PM

spin*

joana on May 13, 2014 at 7:56 PM

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM

And you know I am not doing anything to help people on the African Continent how? Please share with us.

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 7:46 PM

Are you doing as much as Chimpy Bush did as President?

“We love Obama because his father was an African, he is the first African American in the White House, and that has inspired us,” said Ali Rashid, a travel agent in Dar es Salaam.

“But the fact is that so far he has not done as much to help Africans as President Bush did. We understand he has problems at home, but truly we are still hoping that he will help us more before he retires.”

Del Dolemonte on May 13, 2014 at 7:57 PM

That’s the second time I’ve been mysteriously kicked off here. The computer gods don’t like me. I was trying to say I know a science teacher who says there will never be another ice age. Nobody with claims to brains could believe that. It would only happen if we got closer to the sun.

crankyoldlady on May 13, 2014 at 7:58 PM

“Climate change is happening but it might not be man-made, and even if it is, unilateral mitigation efforts by the U.S. are pointless and economically destructive. A global problem requires a global solution, assuming a man-made solution is even feasible.”

That’s not a “take”. It’s a reasoned explanation of what we truly know and what we truly don’t, and why we shouldn’t destroy our way of life for nothing.

Rusty Nail on May 13, 2014 at 7:58 PM

Why do Democrats get a bunch of politicians willing to break the law to further their agenda, and we get a bunch of tap dancing fools who can’t even articulate ours.. UGH.. maybe I chose the wrong side..

melle1228 on May 13, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Sure. That’s why the current POTUS is a guy who got elected by basically being a Rorschach test, right?

Never believe your own spin. Don’t let your wishes to cloud your judgement.

joana on May 13, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Disagree. He was elected and re-elected because the R’s offered up your kind of heroes, the severely courageous duo of McCain and Romney — resulting in millions of uninspired Americans staying home instead of voting for either Cowardly-Statist or Cowardly-Statist-Lite …

ShainS on May 13, 2014 at 8:03 PM

Where does this fall on the spectrum of Republican global-warming heresies?

This is the kind of question a lefty would ask their caricature of the Republican party. No one on the right would even think that there are Republicans who believe the climate never changes. No one on the right would even wonder about this question.

Ronnie on May 13, 2014 at 8:05 PM

Ronnie on May 13, 2014 at 8:05 PM

+1

Rusty Nail on May 13, 2014 at 8:07 PM

The climate has been changing for over 4.3 billion years.

MoreLiberty on May 13, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Why can’t we get a conservative who can state the obvious. The climate change nonsense is about special interests and more governmental control which will result in a further skewering of the middle class in the form of higher energy prices? The only winners are guys like Buffet and Steyer and Congressmen reaping lobbyist cash.

More importantly, WHY is the left insistent upon neutering the US economy and damaging self defense i.e. by making foreign sources of energy relatively less costly? When the sheet hits the fan, I would hope our carriers and jet fighters are not being fueled by lithium batteries, solar and $150/gallon bio diesel.

MistyLane on May 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM

More importantly, WHY is the left insistent upon neutering the US economy and damaging self defense i.e. by making foreign sources of energy relatively less costly?

MistyLane on May 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM

IMHO, the useful idiots on The Left would rather most of the rest of us serfs be equal in slavery — worldwide — than unequal in freedom (a combination of unearned “liberal” guilt and envious victimization attitudes) … and you can undoubtedly guess just who gets to rule over, and live in the lap of luxury versus, the rest of us.

ShainS on May 13, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Not a heresy at all.

Rubio has don’t so much to damn himself, there’s no need to bash him over stuff he didn’t do wrong. He’s earned his pariah status anyway, so who cares?

David Blue on May 13, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Can any of you climate fraud deniers answer these 3 questions:

1) For a planet with a cataclysmically variable 4.5 billion year natural climate history, the first 4,499,999,900 years of which we know having nothing to do with fossil fuels, don’t you think a 100 year data sample of comparatively mild climate changes is pretty useless, especially when the last 15 years have all but falsified your models?

2) CO2, a trace gas and plant food, comprises 0.035% of the atmosphere. What is the ideal, safe levels of its atmospheric composition and what makes it so?

3) When will we reach The Point of No Return so that you will finally shut up about “climate action” or some such?

crrr6 on May 13, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Rubio: “Of course the climate is changing”

I agree with him completely on this…but can’t help but to feel that at some point down the road he will “evolve” on this issue when it becomes politically or otherwise personally expedient….that is that Man is causing it and we need to have a carbon credit rationing system, more regulation on emissions, etc.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 13, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Fine Rubio, now lets have a discussion about immigration shall we?

Where might you stand on the issue today, and don’t forget, you’re attached to a mega-super-duper-rino-lie detector.

Diluculo on May 13, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Perhaps it’s blasphemous for 2% of the Republicans. Then again, regardless of how much noise they can produce, they’re still 2%.

joana on May 13, 2014 at 7:35 PM

Hey, cool! 2%!

There are as many of us troocon crazies as there of teh gheys!!

So shut up, you conservo-normativephobes! *Winning!*

Dolce Far Niente on May 13, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Sure. That’s why the current POTUS is a guy who got elected by basically being a Rorschach test, right?

joana on May 13, 2014 at 7:55 PM

You actually believe this nonsense? Obama’s naked ideology was always available to anybody who actually cared enough to look into it. With the help of his ebullient tribe of media hagiographers, he was pushed as “The Great Uniter,” but anyone with half a brain knew that was bull****. In the end, he won because of three key facts:

1. Timing. The financial crisis was placed perfectly for Obama, since the party in charge would take the brunt of the blame. Hell, it’s 2014 and people whoa re polled still illogically blame Bush for the state of the economy. In October of 2008, it was obvious the Republicans would take the fall for the financial crisis.

2. Other GOP follies. We weren’t exactly an expertly polished political machine from 2000 to 2008. Even when we did the right thing, like ousting Saddam, we managed to kill ourselves politically by focusing on the wrong things (making it all about WMDs made the White House either look dishonest or incompetent, when they could have simply focused on the myriad other reasons to depose Saddam).

3. Race. America was simply “proud” to purge ourselves of our “racist history” by electing a black guy. Voting for Obama was like buying an indulgence from the Catholic Church, only it was free! Oh happy day!

This “tabula rasa” nonsense isn’t why he got elected. Any other candidate trying to run as a blank slate would get nailed for being squirrely/evasive, especially a Republican.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 13, 2014 at 8:38 PM

3) When will we reach The Point of No Return so that you will finally shut up about “climate action” or some such?

crrr6 on May 13, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Time is on their side. It’s a way of gaming the system in terms of results and how long it takes to sort it all out. Falsified, “tweaked” and otherwise colorfully interpreted data helps out immensely.

I’ve seen this in various management systems, education, scientific (social and natural) research, the military, and politics. Someone says there’s a problem, and comes up with some program that will take years and years to implement. That of course entails the need for more power and funding, therefore some measure of job security. By the time everyone figures out that it was all a hoax, the originator(s) of said crisis and solutions are long gone (different firm, retired, dead, whatever). Those who were fooled don’t want to admit that, and may actually come back for more in an effort to save face.

A true master can keep such nonsense going their entire careers over many decades.

Just look at the whole Welfare State (New Deal, Great Society) apparatus and how that’s been going on for 80 years now. There’s nothing in the way of positive results whatsoever, but look at how many have been lionized and honored for having helped perpetuate it…and folks want more of the same.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 13, 2014 at 8:48 PM

(different firm, retired, dead, whatever)

Hmmm, meant to add in “promoted” as another type of protection for the scam artist.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 13, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Can any of you climate fraud deniers answer these 3 questions:
1) For a planet with a cataclysmically variable 4.5 billion year natural climate history, the first 4,499,999,900 years of which we know having nothing to do with fossil fuels, don’t you think a 100 year data sample of comparatively mild climate changes is pretty useless, especially when the last 15 years have all but falsified your models?
2) CO2, a trace gas and plant food, comprises 0.035% of the atmosphere. What is the ideal, safe levels of its atmospheric composition and what makes it so?
3) When will we reach The Point of No Return so that you will finally shut up about “climate action” or some such?
crrr6 on May 13, 2014 at 8:33 PM
Do you know what El Nina and El nenyo are?? They are ocean currents one is a warm ocean current the other is a cold ocean current both effect weather. For a prime example of El Nina type extreme weather the massive,historical tornado outbreak of April. 27th , 2011 it made the gulf hotter then normal leading to immense instability in the gulf coast states, the CAPE valued were also extreme as was the turning with winds with height and the wind sheer of course the atmosphere had a rolling motion anyway. Tornado’s are violently rotating cullum of air that can spin over 300 mph,the most violent tornadoes are often of a complex multiple vortex structures spinning about the parent wedge or stove pipe tornado. Also with climate change we would be having less tornadoes and we are in a period were they aren’t as common. A tornado is also made of hot and cold air rotating extremly fast…so if we just had a warm atmosphere we would have few to no tornadoes also rotating pessure systems also form tornadoes…main low pressure systems.

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 13, 2014 at 8:48 PM

I agree, but with the New Deal, Great Society has already been put into place. So, advocates can say, “These programs have been great, but we need to do more. Just imagine how bad it would be without them!” You’re left to prove a negative, which is especially impossible with these irrational people.

However, there is no congress that will pass a climate change bill anytime in the foreseeable future. They wouldn’t have had a hope in hell of passing it with their numbers in 2009. There are just too many rust belt D’s that would sooner shoot a bullet through it than 100% guaranteed end their political career over it. So, they will never have the luxury of saying, “We’re off to a good start, but we need more air taxes.”

Eventually, their hysterics are going to lose their punch and the issue will eventually peter out because the facts will just become too insurmountable for even these professional dissemblers to fudge. I just wish it would come sooner rather than later since people are hurting too badly right now to be chasing this fantasy.

crrr6 on May 13, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Democratic candidates pander to their base. Republican candidates pander to everyone but their base.

bw222 on May 13, 2014 at 9:03 PM

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Thanks for the incoherent rant about tornadoes, as if they are a phenomenon that coincided with invention of the Model T. Please answer my questions.

crrr6 on May 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM

I agree with him completely on this…but can’t help but to feel that at some point down the road he will “evolve” on this issue when it becomes politically or otherwise personally expedient….that is that Man is causing it and we need to have a carbon credit rationing system, more regulation on emissions, etc.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 13, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Exactly!

Yes, Little Jebbie’s corrupt “Bought and Paid For” waterboy will lead the fight for Cap and Trade once Jeb decides it is time to reward his corrupt crony capitalist whale Wall Street donors for their financial backing. They need carbon trading to make up for the shortfall in revenues due to the mortgage backed securities debacle.

And “no moral compass” Marco is just the backstabbing double crosser to pull it off.

Been there done that.

Jayrae on May 13, 2014 at 9:07 PM

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 8:55 PM
Thanks for the incoherent rant about tornadoes, as if they are a phenomenon that coincided with invention of the Model T. Please answer my questions.
crrr6 on May 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM Thank you for depending only on models instead of studying actual climatology… Tornadoes are hot and cold air. Yet fools such as yourself buy what some model says also
plants turn CO2 into oxygen so….

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 9:15 PM

The one thing I always love is when my friends on Facebook whine about how unusually cold last winter was and then turn around a few days later all concerned about how we’re not doing enough to stop global warmingclimate change.

MinnesotaSlinger on May 13, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Dead. To. Me.

neyney on May 13, 2014 at 9:41 PM

Rubio: “Of course the climate is changing”

And I blame Washington’s incessant hot air.

Dr. Charles G. Waugh on May 13, 2014 at 9:42 PM

In answer to ccr6′s #2, and sorrowen’s incoherence, the upper limit of wich is unknown, but the lower limit is fairly well established as CO2 starvation at around 200 PPM.

F X Muldoon on May 13, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Thank you for depending only on models instead of studying actual climatology… Tornadoes are hot and cold air. Yet fools such as yourself buy what some model says also
plants turn CO2 into oxygen so….

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 9:15 PM

So if I’m understanding you correctly: because man is making hot air, that mixes suddenly with cold air to make tornadoes, and that if we stop burning fossil fuels, we’ll have fewer tornadoes. Is that right?

My God you’re stupid.

crrr6 on May 13, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Typo city – crrr6; upper limit of which; CO2 starvation occurring.

F X Muldoon on May 13, 2014 at 9:48 PM

So if I’m understanding you correctly:

Who knows what he is getting at, oh, look, a negative trend over time of frequency of severe tornadoes, though the peak in 1975 was probably due to the global cooling from which we were suffering at the time…

F X Muldoon on May 13, 2014 at 9:57 PM

Marco Puppet….

No GOP Senate takeover

House remains RINO with a loss of 7 seats

wraithby on May 13, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Wobbly.

J.B. Say on May 13, 2014 at 10:08 PM

It’s another subject that no one knows the definitive answer and yet liberals have a rigid opinion on it.

Why don’t we just make general preparations for various weather disasters and leave it at for the time being.

cimbri on May 13, 2014 at 10:35 PM

Thank you for depending only on models instead of studying actual climatology… Tornadoes are hot and cold air. Yet fools such as yourself buy what some model says also
plants turn CO2 into oxygen so….
sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 9:15 PM
So if I’m understanding you correctly: because man is making hot air, that mixes suddenly with cold air to make tornadoes, and that if we stop burning fossil fuels, we’ll have fewer tornadoes. Is that right?
My God you’re stupid.
crrr6 on May 13, 2014 at 9:47 PM
Not exactly my point was since you lack the intellectual honesty to understand humans have very little if any effect on climate. The tornado was a metaphor not that someone who talks in circles while saying nothing about nothing can say that. But why must you resort to ad homiem attacks and personal attacks?? Clearly you do not understand the basics of weather or climate high pressure system’s, low pressure systems,CAPE,ocean currents,the seasons or even that air rises and when it breaks the CAPE convection occures. Yes if we had a warmer climate we would have fewer tornadoes if your talking it being warmer all over the planet. I doubt you even know how a Hurricane forms much less what a supercell thunderstorm is. So your utterly pathetic attempt at lecturing me though strawman ” science” is amusing at best and sad at worst and if you can’t read english who’s fault is that?? Go and buy Rossetta Stone if you can’t understand English…why your at it go read about thermodynamics…

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 10:43 PM

The fact that it’s changing isn’t the real point.

The important point to take away from this is that all such problems will be solved, once we turn this country over to the WCPA.

listens2glenn on May 13, 2014 at 10:45 PM

China pollutes more then we do yet no one mentions China…

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 10:48 PM

YO…….We’ve had a 17-year standstill in temperature while carbon dioxide continued to rise. If you are in high school, climate hasn’t warmed since you were born.

Cold, not warm, should be our greater concern. Astrophysicists have evidence our Sun has entered a cooling phase like the Dalton Minimum of the 1800s and maybe like the Maunder Minimum and “Little Ice Age” of the 1600s.

It’s time to stop the global-warming charade.

roflmmfao

donabernathy on May 13, 2014 at 10:51 PM

…Rubio will say something else…when it becomes politically expedient.

KOOLAID2 on May 13, 2014 at 10:53 PM

blink on May 13, 2014 at 10:50 PM Crap I knew I got the names wrong :P oh well…the point was climate is beyond our control.

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Liberals want to regulate the climate they will be fining every tornado that touches down a carbon tax before you know it….

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Cold, not warm, should be our greater concern.

donabernathy on May 13, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Mass immigration and forced assimilation should be our great concern. Climate doesn’t matter if you’re not the people that will be around to see it.

If third world mass immigration and forced assimilation continues in all white countries, then let the Mexicans, the Africans, the Chinese etc. worry about “climate change”. It’s going to be their world, not ours.

It’s time to stop the global-warming charade.

donabernathy on May 13, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Yup.

David Blue on May 13, 2014 at 11:01 PM

The tornado was a metaphor not that someone who talks in circles while saying nothing about nothing can say that.

OK. You might want to go back and read your own posts.

F X Muldoon on May 13, 2014 at 11:02 PM

The tornado was a metaphor not that someone who talks in circles while saying nothing about nothing can say that.
OK. You might want to go back and read your own posts.
F X Muldoon on May 13, 2014 at 11:02 PM
I was actually trying to make a point. Unfortunately this place has no lack of smart ass liberals…who happen to not be smart but that’s normal.

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 11:05 PM

I was actually trying to make a point.

Alas, you failed.

F X Muldoon on May 13, 2014 at 11:10 PM

I was actually trying to make a point.
Alas, you failed.
F X Muldoon on May 13, 2014 at 11:10 PM
Alas indeed as the language barrier is to great. Are you a mexican or a mexican’t?

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 11:18 PM

The climate is changing. I feel a cold front moving in, chilling Republican chances in the fall because of their movement toward amnesty and their laser-like focus on pissing off their base.
xNavigator on May 13, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Maybe they should run as Democrats, or Donohue’s prediction is coming 2 years early

Brock Robamney on May 14, 2014 at 5:48 AM

China pollutes more then we do yet no one mentions China…

sorrowen on May 13, 2014 at 10:48 PM

There’s a lot of stuff that the Washington PTP have failed to make anything of over the last century. If you think about it, they have been very selective in their outrage…strange that the Russians and the Chinese didn’t get the same massive propaganda campaign that we dished out against the Germans in WW I and the Axis powers in WW II.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 14, 2014 at 6:36 AM

Alas indeed as the language barrier is to [sic] great.

Indeed it is, however, keep trying and you may overcome it.

F X Muldoon on May 14, 2014 at 7:15 AM

It sounds to me like you have a passion for ‘the African continent’. Perhaps you should do something a little more constructive and proactive to spur ‘progress’ there than making very thinly veiled racist comments on a blog from the comfort of you easy chair. Perhaps you should sign up with one of the many charitable organizations established specifically to facilitate development and ‘progress’ on ‘the African continent’, of course, you may have to work side by side with some ‘Europeans’, but we all have to make sacrifices for our passions.

thatsafactjack on May 13, 2014 at 7:43 PM

What?

coolrepublica pointed out, accurately, that third world toilets will remain third world toilets if cheap energy (the only kind they can afford, by definition) is denied to them.

It’s the same damn thing the western world did when they imposed a worldwide ban on DDT, a substance that was effective for getting rid of malaria but became politically incorrect to use when junk science made it look like it was doing more harm than good (sound familiar?). It never caused the thinning of bird egg shells. If you look at the data taken down during the experimentation that caused all this in the first place, you’ll see that the amount of calcium in the bird’s diet was reduced by the very “scientists” that then claimed it was the DDT. There’s a reason they no longer release their raw data.

Disagree with a poster all you like, but you aren’t entitled to your own facts. And to call a poster racist because they’re sticking up for africans is the worst kind of hyperbole. It makes you look like a leftist.

runawayyyy on May 14, 2014 at 9:13 AM

Of course the climate is changing. The loss of those millions of bodies liberating BTU’s of heat are moving ‘Norte’ from Central America.
Central America’s loss is our ‘Gain.’
And Marco will try to tell us that’s a good thing.

TimBuk3 on May 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM

Golly! how do we continue to elect braindead to supposedly represent us in high offices is beyond me! The weather is constantly changing because that is its nature! The poles also change every few thousand years so what was warm will be cold and vice versa. AND, it is not caused by us. Just ONE volcanic eruption and the CO2 content far surpasses anything we can or have done. This planet has survived millenia in spite of these idiots spouting nonsense, thank God. We need CO2 to breathe and for plants to grow and be green. And, the scientists quoted have been caught lying through their teeth and painting real science black. The real hot air problem is anyone like Rubio and others spouting nonsense.

Roselle on May 14, 2014 at 1:16 PM

You trust a guy who swore he was anti-amnesty as a candidate in 2010 before championing the Gang of Eight bill to be a stickler on this issue, at least, right?

I don’t trust any politician. They all have a certain level of stink – just some more than others.

earlgrey on May 14, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Changing? No sh*t, Sherlock. Eric the Red had his Vikings growing barley in Greenland 1000 years ago.

NoPain on May 14, 2014 at 6:32 PM