Karl Rove: I never said Hillary had brain damage, but seriously, what’s up with her?

posted at 11:21 am on May 13, 2014 by Allahpundit

A follow-up to MKH’s item last night via the Corner. I realize there’s a strategy at work in introducing this subject, I’m just not sure what it is. Could be it’s as simple as Rove moving early to make sure Hillary’s health and age are fair game in 2016. That would go without saying for any male candidate, but there’s already some harrumphing in the media this morning over speculating about the First Woman President. Which only proves Rove’s implicit point: To make this issue safe for public debate, Republicans will have to work at it. He’s starting early.

Another theory: Maybe Rove knows, or thinks he knows, something about her health that we don’t. Every now and then, back in 2007-08, a vague allusion to problems on the horizon for John Edwards would bubble up online; a few people in the political class knew what was going on with him and occasionally a hint would trickle out. It’ll be harder to crack the conspiracy of silence within Hillaryworld about her health but maybe not impossible for someone with Rove’s connections. Could be he got a clue only recently about what happened, or it could be that he’s known for awhile and is keeping a lid on things until we get closer to the election, when the revelation will cause her more damage. In that case, today’s Fox interview is a shot across the bow of the Clintons, to remind Hillary while she’s making up her mind about running that the road ahead is bumpy. The goal in talking this up now is to discourage her before she jumps in.

The reason I don’t see the great strategic merit of it, though, is this: Realistically, what sort of malady could Hillary have, or have had, that would cost her lots of votes if the public knew about it? The problem with raising the possibility of a brain injury is that it’s easily “disproved”; every time she gives a routine interview, voters will take it as evidence that she’s fine and there’s nothing to worry about. The only issue that might give people pause is if she’s had a stroke, but even then, there are all sorts of ways Democrats can spin it. It’s “agist” to assume a stroke survivor can’t function at the highest levels; she’s gotten top-flight medical care and will continue to do so; any senior citizen who runs for president is also at risk of strokes, heart attacks, and so on, among them John McCain and Joe Biden. Remember, victimization will be a core part of Hillary’s campaign — victimization by Bill in the Lewinsky affair, victimization by Obama in thwarting her historic candidacy the first time, victimization by the “vast right-wing conspiracy” that’s accusing her of brain injury now. The cure for victimization is empowerment, and there’s an obvious way for voters to empower Hillary. Unless she’s hiding a health problem that’s truly severe (in which case, why would she be thinking of running?), medical issues will be folded into the victimization narrative.

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MissLamar

Schadenfreude on May 13, 2014 at 1:51 PM

Karl Rove is the Donald Sterling of pundits. he doesn’t know when to stop talking.

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 2:02 PM

So what mental ailment explains Rove’s melt down on Fox the night of the 2012 Presidential election?

jim56 on May 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM

I watched the 2012 Presidential election coverage on Fox News, and I have no idea what you’re talking about concerning a “melt down” by Rove that night. Not necessarily a big fan of Rove here, but in fairness, I thought he did his usual job of analysis.

Bob Davis on May 13, 2014 at 2:02 PM

The 30 days were probably deliberately planned to keep Hillary out of the spotlight until the Benghazi issue had cooled off, and she could resign as Secretary of State out of the limelight.
I think this is likely the case, too. Which is why Rove is shrewd to bring it up so as to smoke it out.

If they say “she really wasn’t that sick” it brings up the Benghazi question and why the public was misled; if they insist she really did need the time to recover – well, then she must have been a very sick woman indeed, and the public deserves to know about serious health issues in advance of an election.

Catch-22.

Missy on May 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Excellent points, Missy. This could very well be part of the “strategy” Rove may be employing that I mentioned earlier. Again, Rove wouldn’t have brought this up for no reason; like him or not, the guy’s a shrewd thinker and tactician.

Bob Davis on May 13, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Hey, Hillary! Why are you hiding your medical records? You need to come clean and release them.

Why so evasive and secretive?

Did you have a stroke? What kinds of brain injuries do you have?

bluegill on May 13, 2014 at 2:13 PM

I think both of them have brain damage. Especially the guy who likes to draw pictures on a whiteboard while sniffing markers

Brock Robamney on May 13, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Rove has an important point here even if it’s not the one he intended. There is no venting of the candidates. No one reviews their application. No one looks at their constitutional qualifications or their physical and mental capacity for the job. This is the only position in government that we do that with. It is also the only position that we do not vote for. The problem gets worst with the efficiency that a political party can operate. What we need is to do is evaluate this and come up with some sort of presentation of documented qualifications upon entering the primary. Think of all this would have saved 7 years ago. Times they are a changing , we should too.

jpcpt03 on May 13, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Good I would rather he do this to the opposition than internally to conservatives. He is best at it. Go get ‘em Karl.

jake49 on May 13, 2014 at 2:51 PM

So what mental ailment explains Rove’s melt down on Fox the night of the 2012 Presidential election?

jim56 on May 13, 2014 at 1:31 PM

I watched the 2012 Presidential election coverage on Fox News, and I have no idea what you’re talking about concerning a “melt down” by Rove that night. Not necessarily a big fan of Rove here, but in fairness, I thought he did his usual job of analysis.

Bob Davis on May 13, 2014 at 2:02 PM

I watched it too and it was not a “meltdown” of any sort. Rove was questioning Fox’s call of the election for Obama because he thought it was too early and that there was a still a chance for Romney to make up the votes. Barone showed him how the margins just weren’t there for Romney, Megyn took her little walk over to the numbers guys who said the same thing, then went back to Rove who conceded the point.

It was all done very calmly and good-naturedly, lots of smiles and joking etc. Pretty upbeat atmosphere for people who were obviously disappointed in the result (as opposed to the long, bitter faces all over TV on election night 2004).

The characterization of it on the left as a sputtering, spitting, red-faced meltdown went immediately viral; I doubt hardly anyone on the left who claimed it as such actually watched.

Missy on May 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Something has to be wrong with Hillary after her bengazi comments. I think out of concern for her wellbeing this should be looked into. Brain damage is one possibility. Either that or she is an amoral witch.

jhffmn on May 13, 2014 at 3:15 PM

The reason I don’t see the great strategic merit of it, though, is this: Realistically, what sort of malady could Hillary have, or have had, that would cost her lots of votes if the public knew about it? The problem with raising the possibility of a brain injury is that it’s easily “disproved”; every time she gives a routine interview, voters will take it as evidence that she’s fine and there’s nothing to worry about. – AP

I agree. He is hauling water for the other side

If she really is sick, then she is running a bait a switch. She will stay in the race as long as possible, and then, even if it is after the convention, she will designate someone to take her place. Based on sympathy and shock, no one will question the scam. They would be able to insert an unknown candidate in her place. The press will ring bells about the new name, and there is a huge lag for the internet news to dig up info on an unknown. Remember how they tried to drop the drunk driver info about Geo Bush just before the election to prevent folk from questioning the dirt.

Timing is everything. IMHO that is how they slid Bill Clinton into the running. People had to vote for him to find out who he was, the press made him into JFK the 2nd, and in the opening of his first term, there was a pork festival that in real dollars might have exceeded the Obama barbeque.

To paraphrase Pelosi, you had to vote for him to find out who he was

Worst part of this, is Boehner works for the billionaires, not the conservatives. Hillary works for the billionaires, not the Left. Two parties might be coordinating this game, not that Rove is part of it.

entagor on May 13, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Are those glasses she was wearing for brain trauma?

I think that is a valid question.

This was a pretty big deal, they need to explain it.

petunia on May 13, 2014 at 3:16 PM

I remember thinking she sounded like she was on some type of medication when she made her remarks at the ceremony for the return of those killed in Benghazi. She was slightly slurring her words and seemed out of sorts, like someone on heavy doses of pain medication or anti-anxiety drugs. At the time, I assumed it was the latter, given the situation.

Then, she took her medical leave. I assumed she had some sort of slight mental breakdown given the fact that people…friends… under her supervision were murdered due to a lack of diligence and security.

MississippiMom on May 13, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Are those glasses she was wearing for brain trauma?

Appear to be.

Fallon on May 13, 2014 at 3:24 PM

I think both of them have brain damage. Especially the guy who likes to draw pictures on a whiteboard while sniffing markers

Brock Robamney on May 13, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Hey I like the smell of markers. They have absolutely no effect on the brain. Who is this Hillary guy?

libbyscooter on May 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Killery’s team’s defense is that she is “100 percent”?!

100 percent…what?

Weasel words if ever there were any. Me thinks there might be some there there.

Rational Thought on May 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM

Karl Rove is the Donald Sterling of pundits. he doesn’t know when to stop talking.

coolrepublica on May 13, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Be afraid sweetie. Be very afraid.

Judge_Dredd on May 13, 2014 at 3:44 PM

I watched it too and it was not a “meltdown” of any sort. Rove was questioning Fox’s call of the election for Obama because he thought it was too early and that there was a still a chance for Romney to make up the votes. Barone showed him how the margins just weren’t there for Romney, Megyn took her little walk over to the numbers guys who said the same thing, then went back to Rove who conceded the point.

It was all done very calmly and good-naturedly, lots of smiles and joking etc. Pretty upbeat atmosphere for people who were obviously disappointed in the result (as opposed to the long, bitter faces all over TV on election night 2004).

The characterization of it on the left as a sputtering, spitting, red-faced meltdown went immediately viral; I doubt hardly anyone on the left who claimed it as such actually watched.

Missy on May 13, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Even the Breitbart story said it was a meltdown and Fox did bench Rove for a time. Rove was very animated about the call and I thought his questioning of the analysts was misguided at best and manipulative at worst. And I did watch that whole portion live.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/16/Roger-Ailes-Karl-Rove-Was-Wrong-and-Fox-News-Was-Right-On-Election-Night

jim56 on May 13, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Even the Breitbart story said it was a meltdown and Fox did bench Rove for a time. Rove was very animated about the call and I thought his questioning of the analysts was misguided at best and manipulative at worst. And I did watch that whole portion live.

They may very well not have liked him second-guessing their call (I think they were trying to get brownie points by being one of the first networks to call for Obama and of course he got in the way of that). But “meltdown” is still a mischaracterization of his behavior.

Missy on May 13, 2014 at 4:02 PM

Another brilliant HotAir headline. To funny.

Norbitz on May 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM

The anti-Ann Richards campaign won’t work this time Karl.

libfreeordie on May 13, 2014 at 4:08 PM

They may very well not have liked him second-guessing their call (I think they were trying to get brownie points by being one of the first networks to call for Obama and of course he got in the way of that). But “meltdown” is still a mischaracterization of his behavior.

Missy on May 13, 2014 at 4:02 PM

You and I will have to disagree. Questioning the judgment of election night analysts publicly and causing a two-three minute disruption looks like a meltdown to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk

jim56 on May 13, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Even the Breitbart story said it was a meltdown and Fox did bench Rove for a time. Rove was very animated about the call and I thought his questioning of the analysts was misguided at best and manipulative at worst. And I did watch that whole portion live.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/16/Roger-Ailes-Karl-Rove-Was-Wrong-and-Fox-News-Was-Right-On-Election-Night

jim56 on May 13, 2014 at 3:52 PM

Hey, Jim, if you don’t like Rove, that’s fine; I’m not a big fan of the guy either. But for the love of Mike, man, I watched the whole coverage that night and Rove absolutely DID NOT have a “meltdown” as you continue to want to portray it. Your history revisionism isn’t playing over here….

Bob Davis on May 13, 2014 at 4:39 PM

The anti-Ann Richards campaign won’t work this time Karl.

libfreeordie on May 13, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Ann was a veritable vestal virgin compared to Frau Pantsuit…

JohnGalt23 on May 13, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Another brilliant HotAir headline. To funny.

Norbitz on May 13, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Another Democrat English Major.

To funny.

Del Dolemonte on May 13, 2014 at 5:00 PM

You and I will have to disagree. Questioning the judgment of election night analysts publicly and causing a two-three minute disruption looks like a meltdown to me.

It looks entirely tame to me. Obviously, you do not have a three-year-old. ;)

Missy on May 13, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Killary’s medical problems are likely psychiatric. Much like Slick the Sex Offender.

When someone addresses the four American dead as making no difference that is a red warning light.

Much like some other sociopath / psychopath thinking the families of the lost Malaysian 777 or Chicago’s many murder victims somehow should not matter.

Which is what makes the Clintoons dangerous.

Whitewater Killary mocking “standing by your man” as Slick boinked the hired help.

And they should thank Janet “Yes, Boss” Reno at least yearly for keeping them both out of the slammer.

viking01 on May 13, 2014 at 5:25 PM

As a survivor of a fall,subdural hematoma, and two brain surgeries I have to say that leaving the hospital with sunglasses isn’t an indicator of brain surgery, a wig is. All procedures require at least partial head-shaving and it doesn’t grow back in a month.

Sunglasses ARE indicative of plastic surgery, especially eyebrow lifts. You like you’ve lost a fight for at least two week.

kd6rxl on May 13, 2014 at 5:26 PM

As a survivor of a fall,subdural hematoma, and two brain surgeries I have to say that leaving the hospital with sunglasses isn’t an indicator of brain surgery, a wig is. All procedures require at least partial head-shaving and it doesn’t grow back in a month.

Sunglasses ARE indicative of plastic surgery, especially eyebrow lifts. You like you’ve lost a fight for at least two week.

kd6rxl on May 13, 2014 at 5:26 PM

This has nothing to do with sunglasses, we are talking about the coke-bottle prismatic glasses she was wearing while giving testimony in Congress. They may be needed for a while after brain damage that causes double vision, or misconvergence.

slickwillie2001 on May 13, 2014 at 5:39 PM

You and I will have to disagree. Questioning the judgment of election night analysts publicly and causing a two-three minute disruption looks like a meltdown to me.

It looks entirely tame to me. Obviously, you do not have a three-year-old. ;)

Missy on May 13, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Mine were that young. Course I wouldn’t expect Karl to get down on the floor and kick and scream or to make himself throw up because he was told to go to bed.

It’s relative.

jim56 on May 13, 2014 at 5:39 PM

Y’all jest stop, y’heah? She ain’t noways taaahhhrrrd.

de rigueur on May 13, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Don’t abortions increase a woman’s chances for a stroke? As big a supporter as Hitlery is of killing babies, I’d think she’s had a couple.

8 weight on May 13, 2014 at 6:32 PM

I don’t want to hear Tokyo Rove spout his asinine logic about how Tea Party candidates ruin the republican chances with dumb comments after this!

D.D.Mao on May 13, 2014 at 6:56 PM

Now that is the Rove I love.

Lonetown on May 13, 2014 at 7:50 PM

Rove being charming pants Rove.

lexhamfox on May 13, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Karl, you do not say such things about a sacred cow like Hillary. Even if she was out of circulation for thirty days.

oldennis on May 13, 2014 at 9:54 PM

karl rove toally had a meltdown. don’t you remember the whole rightwing meltdown before the election when nate silver predicted the election would go to obama? all that “unskew the polls” quackery the right accepted just because they didn’t want to face reality they had a poopy candidate? rightwing meltdown was just in the air, karl rove just finished the thought. the malcontent cherry on top.

brushingmyhair on May 13, 2014 at 10:34 PM

It’s come to this:

Turd Blossom versus Cankles

Thank you RINO’s. Enjoy your ‘Big Tent’

Augustinian on May 13, 2014 at 10:44 PM

If Rove isn’t traitor to GOP values, why has he been married three times and keep a house in Austin, TX?

jim56 on May 13, 2014 at 11:04 PM

At this point, what difference does it make?

nazo311 on May 13, 2014 at 11:18 PM

If Rove isn’t traitor to GOP values, why has he been married three times and keep a house in Austin, TX?

jim56 on May 13, 2014 at 11:04 PM

It’s worse than that Jimbo; I have a friend of a friend that went to high school with Karl, and they tell me he engaged in premarital sex in high school.

You heard it here first.

slickwillie2001 on May 13, 2014 at 11:20 PM

…after the 2012 election…I turn Karl off…when I see his face on the tube.

KOOLAID2 on May 13, 2014 at 11:29 PM

an MRI for a faint?
something about being dehydrated
she looked like she was cushingoid afterwards
my thoughts — she has some sort of cerebral vasculitis and was treated with steroid
which made her vision blurry

wholefoodsrepublican on May 13, 2014 at 11:32 PM

the point is — she is old — 69 at the next election.
we’re living in a young people’s country…
interesting though that 24 which is always ahead of the curve…features a president with a degenerative neurologic disease –?Alzheimers.

wholefoodsrepublican on May 13, 2014 at 11:34 PM

The health issue will take care of itself.

Rove is throwing a rock at the wasp’s nest for some reason. Not that there’s anything WRONG with that.

BTW, I believe if you check you will find she was in the hospital for 3 days, not 30.

Won’t take long for the libs to say that Rove is attacking her about health because he knows he loses on policy, racism, war on women, etc.

Meremortal on May 14, 2014 at 2:38 AM

Mrs. Clinton’s record alone indicates she is perhaps the worst potential presidential candidate at this point.

After watching years of ineptitude, a government that has become to large, is a fiscal disaster, has grabbed rights from states, continually lied to us and has done nothing to help people in need- we don’t need another professional politician as president. Haven’t we learned that at this point?

Mrs. Clinton is not only the wrong person due to her inexperience, but also her atrocious decision making when SoS. She is a person who is only concerned with her image and personal aspirations- not ours.

Her health is also a fair issue and has been for all candidates since I can remember. The only thing new is the media’s faux outrage. Get ready for them to protect their new god-king, same as the old god-king.

Marcus Traianus on May 14, 2014 at 7:47 AM

Catch-22.

Missy on May 13, 2014 at 12:44 PM

And timed to hit just as the Benghazi committee is getting started. Shrillery is stuck in the mud no matter what she now tries to claim.

Freddy on May 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM

Regardless of whether Rove said it the response from the left is classic self-righteous 101-ism.

1 – Hillary has already shown us that she doesn’t respect the office of the Presidency by throwing a crystal ashtray at the President of the United States.

2 – It was fair game to point out the health and age concerns of Reagan, Lieberman, Dole, Thompson, McCain … oh and Dick Cheney’s “gay daughter”. Lest we forget Romney’s “black grandchild”.

3 – If we jump into the not so way-back machine remember that it was the Hillary camp that floated the Obama birther rumor for the first time.

Could the Clinton’s please drift off into obscurity? PLEASE!!!!!

kregg on May 14, 2014 at 6:27 PM

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