Three-fourths of ObamaCare enrollees were previously insured

posted at 2:01 pm on May 12, 2014 by Bruce McQuain

Or so says a new McKinsey survey of the numbers:

One of the principal flaws in the coverage of Obamacare’s exchange enrollment numbers to date has been that the press has not made distinctions between those who have “signed up” for Obamacare-based plans, and those who have actually paid for those plans and thereby achieved enrollment in health insurance. A new survey from McKinsey indicates that a large majority of people signing up are now paying for their coverage. This is progress for the health law. But the survey still indicates that three-fourths of enrollees were previously insured.

Of course we’ve seen the propaganda push from the White House that has claimed the numbers (8 million enrolled) mean that the law is working.  As usual, the devil is in the details.  If the law was designed to provide coverage to those who were uninsured, 25% of the total enrolled fitting that description is hardly indicative of that claim’s efficacy.  And when you break down that 25% number, it’s even less indicative:

At most around 930,000 people have gained coverage from Obamacare’s under-26 “slacker mandate” (not 3 million, as is commonly suggested); another 3 million or so have gained coverage from the law’s expansion of Medicaid. Approximately 2.6 million previously uninsured individuals have obtained coverage through the ACA exchanges and the related off-exchange individual markets; however, the off-exchange purchases are mostly unsubsidized, and therefore can’t necessarily be credited to Obamacare.

Here’s a graphic that breaks the McKinsey survey’s results down into a more understandable form:

McK-enroll-Apr-2

In reality, what the law has essentially done rearranged the burden of payment among those enrolled while really not doing much at all in terms of reaching those for whom it was supposedly designed to help:

What the exchanges appear to be doing is mainly helping people who were previously insured. If you’re 62 years old, say, and your income is $30,000, and you were paying for your own coverage before, you’re now eligible for plans that are much cheaper for you, thanks to taxpayer-funded subsidies and higher premiums for young people.

Of course that means that other people are paying more. “My old plan was canceled under Obamacare,” an exasperated Californian told me last week. “The new Obamacare plan costs twice as much, and the deductibles are higher. And yet Obama is counting me as one of his 8 million people!” But hey—at least he has maternity coverage.

And I’m sure our Californian is eternally grateful for big brother deciding for him that maternity care was an absolute necessity for which he must pay.  But the point is the 8 million number remains very shaky (and that’s being kind) and it really doesn’t at all reflect what the White House would have you believe it reflects – that the law is working.

~McQ


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Poor lester/everdiso. He must still be awaiting his talking points from his masters.

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 2:03 PM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 2:06 PM

I bet even this number is over-optimistic.

ncinca on May 12, 2014 at 2:06 PM

So what?

The plan was to insure the uninsured already-insured all along, wingnutz!

Get with the new math!

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Using the White House’s 37% margin of error citation and accounting for Obama’s lie about Medicaid coverage, Obamacare might have only covered 2 million previously-uninsured people, including those getting Medicaid.
 
Only 2 million covered, at almost $1 million per person. Per the White House.
 
(Thanks again for the link, Tlaloc)

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Uh wasn’t Obamacare supposed to make sure the estimated 41 million uninsured people who couldn’t afford or get insurance under the old rules would now be able to get Health Insurance under Obamacare?

Now were are down to less than a million new people enrolled?

Johnnyreb on May 12, 2014 at 2:08 PM

What is your bases for believing one survey and not believing the other. Are you inclined to believe the worst. In any spin you do or whatever you say about your fellow human being, always remember that there is God.In fact, you are supposed to be better than those who do not believe there is God

ChildOfGod on May 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Just a small step along the way to single payer. Think of it as a rest stop.

butch on May 12, 2014 at 2:16 PM

ChildOfGod on May 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM

A bit incoherent there, pardner. Why not try it again?

butch on May 12, 2014 at 2:18 PM

Everyone will be covered. Remember Obama has a pen and phone.

RickB on May 12, 2014 at 2:18 PM

…figures lie…liars figure!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Approximately 2.6 million previously uninsured individuals have obtained coverage through the ACA exchanges and the related off-exchange individual markets

And I suspect most of those weren’t prevented from getting insurance before Obamacare. They simply chose not to.

xblade on May 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM

What is your bases for believing one survey and not believing the other. Are you inclined to believe the worst. In any spin you do or whatever you say about your fellow human being, always remember that there is God.In fact, you are supposed to be better than those who do not believe there is God

ChildOfGod on May 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM

…well…I’m a lost soul!…come again!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Disinformation is the purview of the KGB and obama.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 2:22 PM

Yeah, scam.
Received a call thankning me for enrolling my family and “helping Obama reach his goal.”
Two problems: one, we were already enrolled. Nothing changed. Two, I thought the goal was to help the uninsured, not Obama. I can’t wrap my head around this sick freaking sycophants who would worship a mere politician the way these castrated Jonestown freaks worship The One.

Rivers on May 12, 2014 at 2:24 PM

What is your bases for believing one survey and not believing the other. Are you inclined to believe the worst. In any spin you do or whatever you say about your fellow human being, always remember that there is God.In fact, you are supposed to be better than those who do not believe there is God

ChildOfGod on May 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Lulz, God hates people who pretend to be a follower so they can create a sockpuppet on a website.

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 2:24 PM

They had junk plans, they didn’t cover the important things; Birth control, Pregnancy Control etc.

RickB on May 12, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Less than a million new enrollees. Great success!

forest on May 12, 2014 at 2:25 PM

Turn the country upside down for 960,000 people…

PatriotRider on May 12, 2014 at 2:28 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.
 
everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

 
Ah yes, the joy of not being able to do math. You have to believe what your holy men tell you simply because you can’t examine it for yourself.
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/07/insurers-80-90-of-obamacare-enrollees-are-paying-their-premiums-not-67-like-that-gop-committee-said/comment-page-4/#comment-8038613

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 2:33 PM

But … but … but … obamacare is a raging success and everybody just loves it – which is why Rand Paul and the GOP establishment are now afraid to talk about repeal.

Pork-Chop on May 12, 2014 at 2:35 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Poor lester, does your mouth get sore from all the fluffing you do?

Funny, this lone partisan analysis actually actually does some analysis and polling and doesn’t rely on just the word of your prezzy.

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 2:36 PM

As predicted, liberals spent a trillion bucks, wrecked our healthcare system, gave us a 29 hour work week, crushed business, and did it all for essentially nothing. Fools.

Whitey Ford on May 12, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Poor lester/everdiso. He must still be awaiting his talking points from his masters.

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Poor lester that’s all they armed you with. Lulz.

What did you get banned for last time? I forget.

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 2:38 PM

I’ve examined it myself, roger, and your amateur attempts at unskewing are as hilarious as always.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:38 PM

Hay, there’s a shocker. Responsible people continue to be insured.

Hucklebuck on May 12, 2014 at 2:38 PM

O’care was never designed to work. It was formulated to open the door for the First Fleamale Prez – Hillary – and her ‘single payer’ New and Improved, Hillarycare! The Progs are always, at least, one to one thousand steps ahead of the sticks-in-the-mud ‘pubs. Logic and truth, these days, always give way to lies and demagoguery.

vnvet on May 12, 2014 at 2:40 PM

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

What’s the matter?

Did even you figure out how stupid the link you posted earlier was?

cozmo on May 12, 2014 at 2:44 PM

I’ve examined it myself, roger, and your amateur attempts at unskewing are as hilarious as always.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:38 PM

rogerb pretty much handed your azz to you lester.

Now back to the question, why did you get banned under your old username?

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Inherent Category Error? Check.

Proclamation any bad news for Obamacare is partisan? Check.

Needless scare quotes? Check.

We can’t save the patient, Jim.

Breakdown:

Insurers and healthcare providers have been measuring (or attempting to through Obamacare’s byzantine maze, in any case) how many people paid – this is a different and not mutually exclusive number from how many were previously ensured.

Polling is about gathering opinions and perceptions, not hard data. Wrong tool wrong purpose.

Methinks you have earned the nickname everdummy. In both the intelligence and the puppetry sense.

BKennedy on May 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM

Oh, Obamacare has worked alright.

It’s already impossible to make major corrections without the media screaming their lies to confuse the LoFo’s.

Just like Social Security is untouchable now, the middle class is doomed to paying for EVERYONE to have health insurance, regardless of the effects on what we used to call our ‘economy’.

Pay Up, Suckers, it’s what we do best.

Tard on May 12, 2014 at 2:47 PM

What is your bases for believing one survey and not believing the other. Are you inclined to believe the worst. In any spin you do or whatever you say about your fellow human being, always remember that there is God.In fact, you are supposed to be better than those who do not believe there is God

ChildOfGod on May 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM

*inhales deeply, holds it, then says, squeakily*

weedisgood, is that you?

Midas on May 12, 2014 at 2:50 PM

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:38 PM

rogerb pretty much handed your azz to you lester.

Now back to the question, why did you get banned under your old username?

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 2:44 PM

…eradipshits hands are full!…he can’t type!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2014 at 2:50 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.
 
everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

 
Ah yes, the joy of not being able to do math. You have to believe what your holy men tell you simply because you can’t examine it for yourself.
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2014/05/07/insurers-80-90-of-obamacare-enrollees-are-paying-their-premiums-not-67-like-that-gop-committee-said/comment-page-4/#comment-8038613
 
rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 2:33 PM

 
I’ve examined it myself, roger, and your amateur attempts at unskewing are as hilarious as always.
 
everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:38 PM

 
Go ahead and tell us the margin of error in percent for the 9.3 million “Subtotal (Insured)”, everdiso.
 
It’s on the bottom of page three of the Rand report the White House cites in their release of numbers.
 
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2014/MarketPlaceEnrollment/Apr2014/ib_2014Apr_enrollment.pdf
 
Here’s a screen grab if you need it.
 
http://imgur.com/D6CibPi

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM

ChildOfGod on May 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM

All your bases are belong to us.

Closet Optimist on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Within a few months, the monthly payment rate will evaporate for those enrolee’s too.

Deafdog on May 12, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Yes those numbers are very similar to what have been predicted and projected by our side since the beginning of the Obamacare disaster…

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Sigh.

Again – insurers, health care providers, and polling all agree that there are approximately 15 million more insured americans this year than last year.

All the attempts at unskewing these consistent numbers are laughable, for varying reasons – such as projecting unpaid percentages to definitely uninsured, or to ignoring the millions of new signups which took place outside the exchanges, or to ignoring that even the “newly insured” totals ignore the millions that have upgraded from junk insurance to legit insurance, etc. Etc.

You guys will continue to fling insults in anger, and latch on to any partisan hackpiece that proclaims doom for ocare even as it blatantly shifts the goalposts…..but really you guys would be better off just listening to me, to save yourselves the heartbreak of dissappointment…..again.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Really liberal idiot? Show us where have the insurance companies or healthcare providers said that a majority, or even 50% of those who enrolled in Obamacare were previously uninsured? Almost all data show that among those who enrolled in the Obamacare disaster only 25% to 35% were previously uninsured…

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 3:06 PM

everdiso?
 
Are you ready for the polifact statement on Medicaid coverage yet?
 

The administration’s 6.3 million figure includes a lot of the “churn” in Medicaid that has nothing to do with the new law’s Medicaid expansion, as well as new sign-ups of people who were previously eligible for Medicaid — and thus were not granted “access to health care for the first time because of Medicaid expansion,” in Obama’s words.
 
The actual number is estimated to be between one-seventh and two-fifths of what Obama said it was. We rate the claim False.
 
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/feb/25/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-medicaid-expansion-has-brought-h/

 
Only 5 million previously uninsured people got coverage because of Obamacare even when including welfare/Medicaid recipients.

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

everdummy considers it an upgrade over “legit insurance” for 50 year old women to pay a premium (literally and figuratively) for birth control and maternity coverage.

The puppet is unhinged.

BKennedy on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Sigh.

Again – insurers, health care providers, and polling all agree that there are approximately 15 million more insured americans this year than last year.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

You say this with such conviction and veracity. Twice now. I guess we just need to believe you, huh? I mean, it’s not like you have a credibility problem around here.

dorkintheroad on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Again – insurers, health care providers, and polling all agree that there are approximately 15 million more insured americans this year than last year.

Well, that’s it then. Settled Science.

ncinca on May 12, 2014 at 3:11 PM

You guys will continue to fling insults in anger, and latch on to any partisan hackpiece that proclaims doom for ocare even as it blatantly shifts the goalposts…..but really you guys would be better off just listening to me, to save yourselves the heartbreak of dissappointment…..again.
 
everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

 
You do realize that’s the White House/HHS release on their own numbers that I linked above, right?
 
http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2014/MarketPlaceEnrollment/Apr2014/ib_2014Apr_enrollment.pdf
 
Want to give that margin of error a shot yet? Here, I’ll help. Divide 3.5 by 9.3.
 
Like I said, they’re glad you can’t read the scriptures for yourself do math so you’ll post things like
 

Again – insurers, health care providers, and polling all agree that there are approximately 15 million more insured americans this year than last year.

 
without knowing how to check.

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

So have you had a better experience with your Canadian single-payer system? Since that’s what Democratics want you should be able to sell us on Canadian socialism.

slickwillie2001 on May 12, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Again – insurers, health care providers, and polling all agree that there are approximately 15 million more insured americans this year than last year.

lester on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Sigh.

“Polling” proves absolutely nothing, because polling is not actual statistics. Polling is solely designed to shape public opinion now, not to take a snapshot of it, and can be easily manipulated by not only the choice of questions, but also by the polling sample itself.

Remember, the Associated Press got busted red-handed, after they sampled twice as many Democrats as Republicans in order to raise O’bama’s job approval after he killed bin Laden with his bare hands

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 12, 2014 at 3:15 PM

poor, poor lester.

It must suck being an obamacare fluffer.

Even after counting…

– people who would have signed up for medicaid anyway.

– people who were forced off perfectly good plans they were happy with and forced to new plans.

– people who switched plans through the normal process and were counted as new enrolls for obamacare.

– employees who lost their employer provide health insurance and HAD to go through the exchanges.

The uninsured rate is where it was under BUUUUUUSSSSHHHHHHH!!!

And no where near the numbers you keep fluffing.

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

BTW, the 2 million at $1M/per person is worst case scenario from Obama’s written release.

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM

We are not worthy of being in the presence of the genius called Obama…

PatriotRider on May 12, 2014 at 3:23 PM

You guys will continue to fling insults in anger, and latch on to any partisan hackpiece that proclaims doom for ocare even as it blatantly shifts the goalposts…..but really you guys would be better off just listening to me, to save yourselves the heartbreak of dissappointment…..again.

eradipshit on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

…lestor sounds a little like gummeandpoleme here …always spells ‘dissappointment’ the same way each time.

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2014 at 3:27 PM

But the survey still indicates that three-fourths of enrollees were previously insured.

To paraphrase Churchill; ‘Never has so much been spent by so many, for the benefit of so few’.

GarandFan on May 12, 2014 at 3:33 PM

After all the money, all the pain, all the screw ups Obama-democrat Care has gotten the percentage of Americans insured (or on medicaid) back up to what EVIL BOOOOOOOSH had it at.

SMART Power!!!!1111!!11elebinty for the win.

jukin3 on May 12, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Ha! Aw, yeah, babe.

No problem here – ignoring the man behind the curtain.

Chuck Ef on May 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM

What is your bases for believing one survey and not believing the other. Are you inclined to believe the worst. In any spin you do or whatever you say about your fellow human being, always remember that there is God.In fact, you are supposed to be better than those who do not believe there is God

ChildOfGod on May 12, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Do you confess and acknowledge Jesus Christ as a real person who came in the flesh and died for your sins and the salvation of the world?

northdallasthirty on May 12, 2014 at 3:50 PM

Obviously they are using the new common core math techniques which are so convoluted even the teachers are having trouble understanding it.

Duna on May 12, 2014 at 3:51 PM

What was all that for?

Fleuries on May 12, 2014 at 3:53 PM

What was all that for?
 
Fleuries on May 12, 2014 at 3:53 PM

 
Because now the federal government is the only one capable of fixing the problem the federal government created.

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 3:55 PM

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

I figured it out: Everdiso is Jay Carney’s brain dead son.

NotCoach on May 12, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Obamacare stops elephants from trampling you tulip garden.

Have you ever seen an elephant in you tulip bed? See how well it’s working?

Oxymoron on May 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM

You guys will continue to fling insults in anger, and latch on to any partisan hackpiece that proclaims doom for ocare even as it blatantly shifts the goalposts…
 
everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

 
Thanks for your help, btw. Without your posts I wouldn’t have been able to draw so much attention to the White House/HHS link.

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 4:07 PM

Truth of the matter is that none of that is true, and you don’t have to take my word for it – you can just listen to what health care providers, insurers, and insured are ALL saying about it, instead of blindly keeping faith in disproven partisan talking points.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Of course we’ve seen the propaganda push from the White House that has claimed the numbers (8 million enrolled) mean that the law is working. As usual, the devil is in the details. If the law was designed to provide coverage to those who were uninsured, 25% of the total enrolled fitting that description is hardly indicative of that claim’s efficacy. And when you break down that 25% number, it’s even less indicative…..

Poor poor troll….the problem is not only with the lies and propaganda that floods out of this Administration trying to un-ClusterFark the EpicClusterFark, but that also of the providers and insurers who are seeing the start of the premium death spiral, not to mention the insured, who were told, ‘if you like your plan, you can keep your plan’, ‘if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor’, and that every family ‘would save $2500 annually’ when they are seeing out of pocket costs skyrocket.

This, all in a plan where it’s ‘working’ only because the President unconstitutionally waived or delayed 38 major elements of the bill.

If everdiso had any semblance of intellectual integrity, he would at least admit that the EpicClusterFark is working in it’s primary goal and intent – which has nothing to do about ‘fixing’ the healthcare industry or insuring the uninsured, and is all about the government seizing control of 1/6th of the national economy.

Athos on May 12, 2014 at 4:13 PM

If that stupid lying leftist troll shows up, rogerb has a wonderful breakdown on the math for it. So as not to confuse this particular leftist troll with any other, here are a few of its particulars. Liar, not a US citizen, not covered under 0Care and has skinny little poop covered fingers it keeps picking at its nose with. You’ll recognize it when it shows. ……………Oh……look……it was here all the time.

Bmore on May 12, 2014 at 4:32 PM

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 4:07 PM

I see it found you. Lucky you rogerb! Lolz!

Bmore on May 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.

lester on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

This stupid statement stupidly assumes that polling is objective and nonpartisan. Anyone who believes that also believes that Hillary Clinton was qualified to become the Junior Senator from New York, and that the Pacific Ocean extends to Denver.

Del Dolemonte on May 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM

You guys will continue to fling insults in anger, and latch on to any partisan hackpiece that proclaims doom for ocare even as it blatantly shifts the goalposts…..but really you guys would be better off just listening to me, to save yourselves the heartbreak of dissappointment…..again.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Is it called a “flashback” if it’s only from earlier today?

Virginia Filings Give First Look at 2015 Health Rate Increases

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-premiums-vs-employer-premiums-2014-5

Turns Out Obamacare Premiums Aren’t More Expensive After All …

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Deductibles. The article that you linked, and the study that the article references (http://www.pwc.com/en_US/us/health-industries/health-insurance-exchanges/assets/pwc-hri-health-insurance-premium.pdf) studiously avoid ANY discussion of deductibles.

My employer-sponsored health plan (which was re-structured two years ago to comply with Obamacare) offers a choice deductibles of $250, $500 or $1,000 per person per year.

Remind me again of the health exchange deductibles?

Alien on May 12, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Alien on May 12, 2014 at 4:49 PM

insurers, health care providers, and polling all agree that there are approximately 15 million more insured americans this year than last year.

Polling? Polling who?

kcewa on May 12, 2014 at 5:10 PM

insurers, health care providers, and polling all agree that there are approximately 15 million more insured americans this year than last year.

Polling? Polling who?

kcewa on May 12, 2014 at 5:10 PM

The only way you might possibly get to numbers like that is if you pretend as many progs do that Medicaid somehow = ‘health insurance’.

slickwillie2001 on May 12, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Again – insurers, health care providers, and polling all agree that there are approximately 15 million more insured americans this year than last year.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Link, please.

Based on the above poll, there are 2 million more people covered than last year-with perhaps another 4 million by Medicaid expansion. It is not clear what the distribution of people who haven’t paid their premiums is. If they were people that didn’t have insurance before, there is a possibility that there will be a higher rate of failure/refusal to pay premiums in this group of people.

talkingpoints on May 12, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Link, please.

Based on the above poll, there are 2 million more people covered than last year-with perhaps another 4 million by Medicaid expansion. It is not clear what the distribution of people who haven’t paid their premiums is. If they were people that didn’t have insurance before, there is a possibility that there will be a higher rate of failure/refusal to pay premiums in this group of people.

talkingpoints on May 12, 2014 at 6:28 PM

Don’t bother. I’ve nailed everdiso in 2 baldface lies to which it has yet to respond.

Chuck Schick on May 12, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Insurers, healthcare providers, and polling all disagree with this lone partisan “analysis”, for the record.

everdiso on May 12, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Oh no, there’s that ALL word that always gets you in trouble.

Where is the link that says ALL of these entities say what you are saying?

You’re lying, again.

Chuck Schick on May 12, 2014 at 8:27 PM