Poll: Mitch McConnell leads Matt Bevin by 32 in Kentucky GOP primary

posted at 1:21 pm on May 12, 2014 by Allahpundit

That’s among likely voters too, although when you’re looking at a lead this big, it doesn’t much matter which slice of adults you’re using.

I thought next Tuesday’s primary night open thread would be rip-roaring food-fight fun between “true conservatives” and RINOs. Instead, we’re destined for a snoozer. Note the tea-party numbers, in particular. Bevin never got traction even among his ostensible core constituency.

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This poll from Marist was the first taken of the race by a major pollster since February and only the third taken in Kentucky this year but McConnell’s been comfortably ahead in all of them, ranging from 26 to 42 points. People who are watching the race closely seemed to know the score even without any recent (public) data, though. The Senate Conservatives Fund, which McConnell had vowed to “crush” because of its spending against Republican incumbents, stopped airing ads in Kentucky last week, a sign that they were giving up on the race.

How come Bevin never caught on? Lots of reasons. McConnell had sky-high name recognition and a huge war chest, of course, but his team also cannily buried Bevin’s messaging under numerous low-grade controversies (including cockfighting), dubbing him “Bailout Bevin” — even though it was McConnell who voted for TARP in 2008. And despite being endorsed by several tea-party commentators and outside groups, Bevin never landed any big names among Republican politicians. No Palin, no Ted Cruz (who said he’d stay out of races involving GOP incumbents but added that that wasn’t set in stone), and of course no Rand Paul, the one guy more than any other who could have gotten Kentucky tea partiers’ attention on Bevin’s behalf. Instead Rand endorsed McConnell. The establishment will be grateful.

Key question now: How much will hard feelings among Bevin fans hurt McConnell in the general election against Alison Lundergan Grimes? If you believe Marist, quite a bit. Check out the percentage she’s pulling among conservatives against Mitch the Knife.

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McConnell leads her by one whereas Bevin trails her by nine — thanks in part to the fact that 28 percent of conservatives say they’d vote for Grimes if he’s the nominee. Those are, presumably, Mitch fans, feeling as hypothetically disgruntled about losing the primary as Bevin fans will feel next Tuesday night. But all of that is evanescent; hard feelings will soften over the next few months, especially as excitement builds on the right for what might be another wave this fall, and McConnell will open up a safe-ish lead — probably. Read this Nate Cohn piece from March to see just how strong McConnell’s position is. Beating him in this state, under these particular political circumstances, would be “all but unprecedented.” The only hitch is the fact that he’s unpopular at home, with both his job approval and favorable rating underwater. To win comfortably he needs to make nice again with independents. Otherwise, it’ll be close.


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Anyway I have $100 with Allison Grimes name on it when McConnell wins the primary.

tcufrog on May 12, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Psyops designed to suppress TP/conservative voters?

katy on May 12, 2014 at 2:48 PM

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Oooh… Are you f***ing offended with my vulgarity? Tea Party? What Tea Party? There is nothing officially called the “Tea Party”, never was, and never will be… There is one party that represents the conservatives and that is the Republican party… If you purists do not like it then f***ing form you new insignificant third party because it is very clear that the vast majority of the Republican base is not made of dumb purists like you…

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 2:48 PM

KY is a purple state.

crosspatch on May 12, 2014 at 1:41 PM

I disagree. Ever Republican presidential nominee has taken the state by double digits in the last four presidential elections.

KY is only purple if 2008 wasn’t a “high water mark” for democrats.

Seamus on May 12, 2014 at 2:49 PM

Psyops designed to suppress TP/conservative voters?

katy on May 12, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Yes, and they get worse every time HA opens registration.

Johnnyreb on May 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM

Perfect title

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 2:54 PM

katy on May 12, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Not suppress, exactly. The goal is to use negative reinforcement techniques as a means of modifying behavior in a manner that will cause to vote for Establishment Repubs. (Even if that means discrediting Conservative candidates in the process, so be it)

lineholder on May 12, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Psyops designed to suppress TP/conservative voters?

katy on May 12, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Oh my God… You caught the RINOS red handed by exposing their conspiracy against tea party/conservative voters… I thought that you internet type conservatives are so super smart that you will and vote out the RINOS regardless of all their attempts to suppress your vote…

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Can you give me an example of anything good the Republicans have done since taking the house in 2010? Just one example?

I can list a lot of bad things they have done. But I can’t name anything good.

Just want to know why the GOP deservse my vote.

tcufrog on May 12, 2014 at 2:44 PM

How can people be this blind?

Just look at what happened between 08 and 10. Obamacare: was anything quite as bad signed into law since 2010? Look at the budget, look at the evolution of the budgetary deficit until and since 2010. People talk a lot about austerity in Europe, but the US have been doing more austerity since 2010 than Europe – look at the cyclically adjusted primary balance numbers. Look at how gun control, immigration and campaign finance was stopped on its tracks. Look at the food stamps and unemployment subsidies extensions that were finally curbed by the Republican majority. Look at the unemployment bomb that would have been detonated by the crazy minimum wage subsidies a Democrat controlled House would pass.

If “stopping the Dems from doing even worse” isn’t quite good enough for you, perhaps you should take a look at how the policy making mechanisms are constitutionally designed and do something to get a Republican majority in the Senate and a Republican president.

joana on May 12, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Lugar, go to Hell

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 2:59 PM

joana on May 12, 2014 at 2:56 PM

They are too stupid to understand that when a party controls only the House of Representatives they can try to stop the agenda of the party that controls the Presidency and the Senate but cannot act their own agenda as it will be certainly defeated in the Senate or vetoed by the President….

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Your problem is, mnjg, is that you will live under Democratic rule unless your dumb purists show up at the polls with their families. Guys like you living in the 80s haven’t figured out that the silent majority is gone and the Republicans need every vote they can get.

I am not a Paulite, but I can see with my own eyes how they were treated. How does pissing off potential voters and surpressing their delegates at the last convention help the turnout?

I do not think there is a lesson to teach the McConnells and Prince Reibuses out there. They need to be kicked out so that a new coalition can be formed.

FrankT on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Close your azzes. You’ll be raped, in plain sunshine.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 3:01 PM

So Democrats will be VERY Very Happy in the general election. Cause Mitch will do whatever the Marxist News want him to do. Even giving Texas to the Democrat Party.

BroncosRock on May 12, 2014 at 3:02 PM

2010 – Pelosi keeps the hammer, sans the

T axed
E nough
A lready

patriots, and “dummies”.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 3:02 PM

You peopel talking about supporting Grimes are complete nihilists. Pelase leave the Republican Party.

Hilts on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Ky is going to give us mcconnell again.

Thanks a bunch Ky, the abbreviation for your state is fitting.

Diluculo on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

I do not think there is a lesson to teach the McConnells and Prince Reibuses out there. They need to be kicked out so that a new coalition can be formed.

FrankT on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

So we can have a Democratic majority in while this “coalition” is forming who will vote for Amnesty, eliminate the National Debt Ceiling, and make Federal laws against requiring voter ID’s and remove conservative groups from the non-profit roles and sick the IRS and DOJ on them. All of which did or almost happened with just a Democrat President and Democrat controlled Senate.

And you want to give them just a couple of election cycles with no opposition to cement their advantages. Right……

Johnnyreb on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Also, F*CK YU mnjg! Wipe the spittle from your screen…& stop bad mouthing the Base of your Party! Again, tell me about the glories of the Romney Campaign & his First 100 Days….

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Yep, I predicted that in 2008 right here:

“Competent” enough to blow 100 million plus on less than 300 delegates? The man is utterly plastic. It may be necessary to slash jobs and increase business profits, but that doesn’t make one qualified for high office or even electable, especially during an economic downturn.

No one in this round world is owed a living or a loving. The Romney-acs should keep the latter in mind about their loser of a candidate.

ebrown2 on July 30, 2008 at 3:53 PM

“ebrown2 I don’t think you know what you are talking about.”

It’s a question of -fact.-

Romney got beaten like a rented mule by the rickety organization of the oldest man ever to run for President, a man absolutely detested by the conservative core of his party.

He barely kept ahead of the even more rickety and underfunded organization of a socially liberal character like the Huckster, despite having the advantages of higher name recognition and a vastly larger war-chest.

Romney hasn’t shown himself to be politically competent in a context that is reasonably favorable and knowledgeable about business, i.e. the Republican primaries. The press will have a field day with him in the general election, since he will not have the time or the media access to explain himself.

“They are the most positive “can do” people and spend their days thinking about making the world more efficient, more profitable, creating more jobs, and creating products & technology to help the world.”

Good on them. I’ll give them credit for knowing better than wasting $100 million on being Steve Forbes II, Electric Boogaloo in the current electoral climate.

You seem to have the insane delusion that I’m a Marxist/Populist. I’m quite the opposite, a pro-capitalist realist who knows what’s going to happen to a down-sizer dealing with an electorate that is NOT literate in economics.

ebrown2 on July 30, 2008 at 11:12 PM

The emetic E-publicans and their moronic supporters have already enabled the cultural and economic destruction of the country by their moral cowardice and defining political deviance down to where Obama looked like a rational alternative. We have 18 trillion reasons why they shouldn’t be trusted with running a lemonade stand, let alone the largest economy (which will soon be history)in the world.

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

McCain/Romney did not win because a majority of the country 52-53% is more liberal than conservative… That is the unfortunate fact… The Republicans are going to have a very difficult task winning national elections when it comes to the Presidency and the US Senate because the democrats have more voters in 27 to 28 states than Republicans do… It is that simple… In the US House the Congressional districts favor Republicans because the vast majority of the districts are made of white majority and 60% of whites vote Republican… The only way, there is no other way, for Republicans to win the Presidency and the US senate is to have at least 65% of whites vote for them…

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 2:19 PM

Well, you’re in luck – those GOPe folks you’ve been fluffing for are gung-ho for amnesty – that’ll certainly help, won’t it?

Midas on May 12, 2014 at 3:08 PM

” If you purists do not like it then f***ing form you new insignificant third party because it is very clear that the vast majority of the Republican base is not made of dumb purists like you…”

Shillin’ like a villain…

Another Libertarian on May 12, 2014 at 3:08 PM

And yet mnjg it was a TEA party candidate that unseated Bennett in Utah, Dewhurst in TX, & defeated Lugar in the primaries… now you just want to split hairs…

& when Ingles lost in NC did he support Elmers… NO. Lugar in IN…. No. Castle in DE… No. Sorry mnjg your team has a lot worse track record about taking their ball(s) & going home than my team…. BTW, have you read where I’m NOT voting for McConnell in Nov.?

No, you’re just on a “moderate” tear to attack the Base of the Party…’ cuz, like it’s YOUR PARTY TOO, right MS Whitman?

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:09 PM

I do not think there is a lesson to teach the McConnells and Prince Reibuses out there. They need to be kicked out so that a new coalition can be formed.

FrankT on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

So we can have a Democratic majority in while this “coalition” is forming who will vote for Amnesty, eliminate the National Debt Ceiling, and make Federal laws against requiring voter ID’s and remove conservative groups from the non-profit roles and sick the IRS and DOJ on them. All of which did or almost happened with just a Democrat President and Democrat controlled Senate.

Johnnyreb on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

You do realize that the current GOP you are clamoring for approves of these things too, right? Whether there’s a Dem majority or not, doesn’t much seem to matter when leaders from the GOP are on the record pushing for these same things, now *does* it?

Midas on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

They are too stupid to understand that when a party controls only the House of Representatives they can try to stop the agenda of the party that controls the Presidency and the Senate but cannot act their own agenda as it will be certainly defeated in the Senate or vetoed by the President….

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

It is my understanding that under the constitution the house controls the budget but they don’t have the balls to try.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

So we can have a Democratic majority in while this “coalition” is forming who will vote for Amnesty, eliminate the National Debt Ceiling, and make Federal laws against requiring voter ID’s and remove conservative groups from the non-profit roles and sick the IRS and DOJ on them. All of which did or almost happened with just a Democrat President and Democrat controlled Senate.

And you want to give them just a couple of election cycles with no opposition to cement their advantages. Right……

Johnnyreb on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

“…Just ignore what the E-pubs did and tried to do in 2002-2006.”

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

You peopel talking about supporting Grimes are complete nihilists. Pelase leave the Republican Party.

Hilts on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

Already have, sweetheart. But by all means, keep pushing the rest of us out, I’m sure it’ll help your cause.

Midas on May 12, 2014 at 3:11 PM

gh, the House HAS passed a budget, now you may not have had Civics, but let me point out, the Senate has NOT PASSED A BUDGET for 5 years!!!!!! Yu can pass all the budget you want, but until Reid can be brought to the table to actually negotiate, well “owning” the House is sampling having a Veto on (some) Public Policy.

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

They are too stupid to understand that when a party controls only the House of Representatives they can try to stop the agenda of the party that controls the Presidency and the Senate but cannot act their own agenda as it will be certainly defeated in the Senate or vetoed by the President….

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

It is my understanding that under the constitution the house controls the budget but they don’t have the balls to try.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Try exactly what?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/04/10/house-ryan-budget/7544705/

WASHINGTON — The House approved along party lines a budget plan that would reach balance in 10 years by cutting taxes, repealing President Obama’s health care law and cutting social programs in favor of the national defense.

What else do you want them to try?

joana on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

2010 – Pelosi keeps the hammer, sans the

T axed
E nough
A lready

patriots, and “dummies”. Schadenfreude.

Congress is the place for the tea party to start out. Congressional districts are just the right size for grass roots people to agree on a candidate and get the job done. It is when someone who is not as experienced as Ted Cruz decides to be a “citizen legislator” without ever helping a friend run a campaign that things start to fall apart.

I was reading that the tea party candidate…lost…here or there, NC? and that was the end of the tea party…NO, that has to be the end of running Joe Nobody for Governor or Senate right out of the gate, and running more than one candidate.

The Congress is 2 years…or perhaps your State house has these openings. In MA, where we have only a couple dozen members in the State House/legislature, and could use all hands on deck, there are people who fancy themselves libertarian/tea party/liberty party…who won’t run and do something concrete, they want to run for Governor! or they want to run for U.S. Senator! and they have never even set foot in a republican campaign office or placed a call in their life. Our towns here could use these people as Selectmen or at our state house, but nope, they set their lofty goals high and fall on their faces. And then we have no one left.

Congress is the place to try to make a name for yourself…and then you move up and someone else runs for Congress.

Fleuries on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

What else do you want them to try?

joana on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Ryan’s fantasy? Please.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

The problem is they gave in 5 years ago.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM

ebrown2 please explain how voting for another Democrat, who will back Obama 95% of the time makes America, better?

No, McConnell backs him XX%…because I’m betting XX% is less than 95%….so tell me how voting for Grimes makes the US MORE “Conservative?”. Is this the vaunted TruCon “We Win By Losing Strategy?”

Look I’m voting Bevan, in May, but explain how I’m better off voting for Grimes in November…

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM

You do realize that the current GOP you are clamoring for approves of these things too, right? Whether there’s a Dem majority or not, doesn’t much seem to matter when leaders from the GOP are on the record pushing for these same things, now *does* it?

Midas on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

It is to laugh. If the E-pubs get a swing in this elections, you’ll see the E-pubs whine-vomiting that they dare not take any positive actions “because 2016.”

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Fleuries on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Here’s another option

lineholder on May 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM

gh, by what? Not shutting down the gun’ mint? How has shutting down the Federal Government worked so far in bringing anyone to heel?

I’ll set my sundial….

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:21 PM

ebrown2 please explain how voting for another Democrat, who will back Obama 95% of the time makes America, better?

No, McConnell backs him XX%…because I’m betting XX% is less than 95%….so tell me how voting for Grimes makes the US MORE “Conservative?”. Is this the vaunted TruCon “We Win By Losing Strategy?”

Look I’m voting Bevan, in May, but explain how I’m better off voting for Grimes in November…

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:19 PM

You have me confused with the tcufrog idiot at the top of the page.
There’s never any obligation to vote for evil.

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 3:21 PM

Ryan’s fantasy? Please.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Why don’t you answer? What else do you want them to try? If you don’t understand how the legislative process works, try to learn before commenting on it.

joana on May 12, 2014 at 3:22 PM

I am here to read the comments from all the staunch conservatives who would rather see liberal Grimes elected senator of Kentucky than Mitch McConnel. I hope they show up soon. I can’t wait to see how much money they will say they will give to the liberal Grimes if McConnell wins.

coolrepublica on May 12, 2014 at 3:24 PM

It is to laugh. If the E-pubs get a swing in this elections, you’ll see the E-pubs whine-vomiting that they dare not take any positive actions “because 2016.”

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Exactly.

Midas on May 12, 2014 at 3:25 PM

If this holds, it is a travesty.

McConnell needs to be voted out just for his sheer sense of entitlement to his elected position.

Please folks, wake up.

KMC1 on May 12, 2014 at 3:25 PM

I’m very contrarians today, I guess… attacking mnjg for attacking the Base, attacking TruConz…I’ll take Ryan to task, too, I guess…

Look any budget that takes 10 years to do anything, is merely window dressing….

How about a budget that grows by inflation plus 0.5%?

Any budget “plan” that solves a problem in 10 years is laughable, because everyone knows that nothing is going to change…it’ll all happen “manana”…..(Sorry no Spanish keyboard.

It’s like the 1970′s & inflation, everyone KNEW no one would accept the pain of curing Inflation… so when Reagan & Thatcher set out to end it, they had to actually make it MORE PAINFUL, because no one actually believed they meant what they said…

So too, the budget UNTIL someone passes a budget only slightly larger than the last one & defends it, will markets & lobbyists & the socio-economic elites actually believe that things have changed! Until then it’s just words… meaning NOTHING.

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Mitch may vote against liberal bills but he will still allow it to be put up to a vote, and he will push the Republican Senators to yes on those liberal bills.

Again what vote for liberal Mitch in the general election? Mitch will continue moving this country to the left.

BroncosRock on May 12, 2014 at 3:41 PM

If this holds, it is a travesty.

McConnell needs to be voted out just for his sheer sense of entitlement to his elected position.

Please folks, wake up.

KMC1 on May 12, 2014 at 3:25 PM

The Post Turtle is only courageous and competent when defending his perks. Reid continually punks him and a dead tree could do the same as Democratic minority leader if by some chance the E-pubs don’t botch their Senate election chances this year.

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 3:45 PM

Unlike Grimes right, who will oppose her party & Majority Floor of Leader… yes I see it the We Win By Losing Strategy… we shall halt the War on Coal by electing someone who will support it… we will defeat Minimum Wage Increases by voting for someone who supports it… we shall repeal ObamaCare by electing one more vote tosh sustain it… we shall prevail on a host of issues by electing someone who does not agree with us whatsoever….

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:48 PM

As long as the majority of people vote blindly, this nation will go down the toilet faster and faster.

sadatoni on May 12, 2014 at 3:54 PM

As long as the majority of people vote blindly, this nation will go down the toilet faster and faster.

sadatoni on May 12, 2014 at 3:54 PM

“If it wrecked Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire, it’s good enough for us!”

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Message to all Bevin voters.If you lose stay home this November and destroy the GOP.They are just as big of an obstacle to the advancement of conservatism as the Democraps!

redware on May 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

I’m actually a registered KY Republican who will be happily voting for Mitch next Tuesday and again in November. All of you out- of- state wingnut agitators who are upset about us sending him back to Washington can go perform unnatural sex acts with yourselves and the horses you rode in on.

I, for one, am not worried at all about how Mitch will perform with independents. Grimes is a light weight and almost as dumb as a post. November will not be close.

Dukeboy01 on May 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

Mitch may vote against liberal bills but he will still allow it to be put up to a vote, and he will push the Republican Senators to yes on those liberal bills.

Again what vote for liberal Mitch in the general election? Mitch will continue moving this country to the left.

BroncosRock on May 12, 2014 at 3:41 PM

My goodness.

It’s impossible. These people simply don’t have a clue.

joana on May 12, 2014 at 4:05 PM

Mitch McConnell leads Matt Bevin by 32

The power of pork.

captnjoe on May 12, 2014 at 4:10 PM

captnjoe….power of pork & weakness of Bevin… he’s a carpet-bagger… he took TARP funds…. he sounds a LOT like McConnell without the 30 years in DC…. Being NOT Mitch McConnell is not a winning campaign…..

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 4:13 PM

I’m actually a registered KY Republican who will be happily voting for Mitch next Tuesday and again in November. All of you out- of- state wingnut agitators who are upset about us sending him back to Washington can go perform unnatural sex acts with yourselves and the horses you rode in on.

I, for one, am not worried at all about how Mitch will perform with independents. Grimes is a light weight and almost as dumb as a post. November will not be close.

Dukeboy01 on May 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM

And the “I waaa Fweee Nummies” voter speaks, with its usual class and intellectual maturity…

“They all stink…except for MY guy, he’s STYLISH!”

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 4:14 PM

captnjoe….power of pork & weakness of Bevin… he’s a carpet-bagger… he took TARP funds…. he sounds a LOT like McConnell without the 30 years in DC…. Being NOT Mitch McConnell is not a winning campaign…..

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 4:13 PM

Condolences on your Hobson’s choice.

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 4:15 PM

Mitch McConnell is another glaring example, among many, as to why we need term limits. These guys get to Washington and stay for decades. They become members of the permanent political class and perennially screw their constituents. They forget that they are there to represent, not dictate. TERM LIMITS!!!

fight like a girl on May 12, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Sometimes we conservatives need to take one for the team.

Vote for the REAL Democrat in the fall, and get rid of Mitch. One way or the other, the establishment needs to be purged.

captnjoe on May 12, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Bevin never had the stature to take on the Old Man. I don’t think Grimey does either. Mitch’s Machine will likely chew her up too. Drive up her negatives enough and who are those vaunted independents gonna choose. You’ve got Mitch or you stay home. Either way Mitch wins.

Esaus Message on May 12, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Saw the thread count. Figured a Moby was present.

Bmore on May 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Why don’t you answer? What else do you want them to try? If you don’t understand how the legislative process works, try to learn before commenting on it.

joana on May 12, 2014 at 3:22 PM

I expect Hillary to win based on the “reasoned debate” on this forum.

See Karl Denninger’s site (market-ticker.org). He has a couple of simple prescriptions which would fix the economy including the long term debt. He has described it in detail in a book, which I have bought but not yet had time to read.

Denninger brought these ideas to the attention of the McCain campaign in August 2008 (or so, from memory — see his site; it has a search function) and they almost adopted them and then they blew him off.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

Bevin never had the stature to take on the Old Man. I don’t think Grimey does either. Mitch’s Machine will likely chew her up too. Drive up her negatives enough and who are those vaunted independents gonna choose. You’ve got Mitch or you stay home. Either way Mitch wins.

Esaus Message on May 12, 2014 at 4:26 PM

…and he’ll do his damnedest to ensure higher debt, amnesty and general political cowardice after being returned to office.

18 trillion and counting, Baby!

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 4:31 PM

Go Oligarchs/plutocrats!

Finish the final loot and serve the globalists.

Murphy9 on May 12, 2014 at 4:32 PM

I expect Hillary to win based on the “reasoned debate” on this forum.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

True.

Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 4:33 PM

joana on May 12, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Look in the mirror. He’s doing exactly what GOP consultants and big donors do when their preferred candidate doesn’t win in the primary.

Wigglesworth on May 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM

I expect Hillary to win based on the “reasoned debate” on this forum.

See Karl Denninger’s site (market-ticker.org). He has a couple of simple prescriptions which would fix the economy including the long term debt. He has described it in detail in a book, which I have bought but not yet had time to read.

Denninger brought these ideas to the attention of the McCain campaign in August 2008 (or so, from memory — see his site; it has a search function) and they almost adopted them and then they blew him off.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

And what are you saying? That you’d get the Democrats and Obama to support those ideas?

joana on May 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 4:13 PM

No doubt about it, Bevins was NO TP candidate. When he announced I checked him out, and found him to be a fraud.

Too bad a real small government patriot didn’t run a campaign of ideas against McConnell.

captnjoe on May 12, 2014 at 4:41 PM

Look in the mirror. He’s doing exactly what GOP consultants and big donors do when their preferred candidate doesn’t win in the primary.

Wigglesworth on May 12, 2014 at 4:34 PM

Huh?

He’s merely proving his ignorance of how the legislative process works.

Nice attempt to divert the discussion though. Perhaps if you keep parroting the “GOP consultants” and “GOP big donors” talking-points people will forget about the issue at hand.

If you can’t see what the House has been able to avoid since 2010, you’re woefully ignorant or purposely blind.

joana on May 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM

If you can’t see what the House has been able to avoid since 2010, you’re woefully ignorant or purposely blind.

joana on May 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Exactly what segment of the electorate made the 2010 wave possible?

Worst troll ever.

Go back to DailyKos.

tetriskid on May 12, 2014 at 4:43 PM

joana on May 12, 2014 at 4:42 PM

It’s fact, not talking points. You have no rebuttal other than insults because you know it’s true.

Wigglesworth on May 12, 2014 at 4:46 PM

And what are you saying? That you’d get the Democrats and Obama to support those ideas?

joana on May 12, 2014 at 4:38 PM

I’m saying that people like you who won’t listen to anyone else will help Hillary win. The democrats stick together. Our side needs to learn to do the same thing.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM

How does pissing off potential voters and surpressing their delegates at the last convention help the turnout?

FrankT on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

Ask Ken Cuccinelli how that worked out for him in Virginia.

I’ve given up on the TruCons. I’ll simply never understand how they seem to think that getting 80% of what you want is somehow worse than getting nothing.

BacaDog on May 12, 2014 at 4:52 PM

One way or the other, the establishment needs to be purged.

captnjoe on May 12, 2014 at 4:16 PM

Two words – Supreme Court.

If you honestly think that handing the Senate to Dems is a good idea, think what Justice Eric Holder (or any other far left radical)would do on the court.

BacaDog on May 12, 2014 at 4:55 PM

To win comfortably he needs to make nice again with independents. Otherwise, it’ll be close.

A-porkin’ we will go…

JohnGalt23 on May 12, 2014 at 4:58 PM

OT: AoS Backup Site

gh on May 12, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Saw the thread count. Figured a Moby was present.

Bmore on May 12, 2014 at 4:27 PM

So far, three known to use the TruCon narrative, off and on during the thread.

lineholder on May 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM

I’m saying that people like you who won’t listen to anyone else will help Hillary win. The democrats stick together. Our side needs to learn to do the same thing.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Huh? Are you serious? I’m not the one claiming I’ll vote and donate to Democrats. I suspect you’re just trying to troll at this point.

Do you know what Democrats do? They clear primaries for pretty much every incumbent and competitive open-seat they have. Sadly Republicans can’t do that because there are the crazies screaming “GOP establishment is as bad as Dems” and some people making money out of that nonsense.

If you want to get back on issue, I’m still waiting for you to say what exactly they ought to try.

It is my understanding that under the constitution the house controls the budget but they don’t have the balls to try.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Try exactly what?

What else do you want them to try?

joana on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

How can people be this blind?

Just look at what happened between 08 and 10. Obamacare: was anything quite as bad signed into law since 2010? Look at the budget, look at the evolution of the budgetary deficit until and since 2010. People talk a lot about austerity in Europe, but the US have been doing more austerity since 2010 than Europe – look at the cyclically adjusted primary balance numbers. Look at how gun control, immigration and campaign finance was stopped on its tracks. Look at the food stamps and unemployment subsidies extensions that were finally curbed by the Republican majority. Look at the unemployment bomb that would have been detonated by the crazy minimum wage subsidies a Democrat controlled House would pass.

If “stopping the Dems from doing even worse” isn’t quite good enough for you, perhaps you should take a look at how the policy making mechanisms are constitutionally designed and do something to get a Republican majority in the Senate and a Republican president.

joana on May 12, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Apparently your answer is that they should try to pass Denninger’s agenda…. because Harry Reid and Obama would just rubber stamp it, right?

joana on May 12, 2014 at 5:08 PM

A lot unsubstantiated allegations against McConnell, as if he forced the idiot boy Bevan to support cock-fighting.

But I suppose it would hard to support the kooks without lying.

Sore losers are still just losers.

Look at all the wacko bird candidates this year. The only sensible one in the group is McDaniel in Mississippi, and it doesn’t look all that promising for him.

Adjoran on May 12, 2014 at 5:08 PM

joana on May 12, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Stop trying to put words into my (and everyone else’s) mouth.

You clearly have not looked at what Denninger’s views are so why don’t you check out his site; buy his book; and learn something.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Stop trying to put words into my (and everyone else’s) mouth.

You clearly have not looked at what Denninger’s views are so why don’t you check out his site; buy his book; and learn something.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

What words? I just want to know how exactly adopting Denninger’s agenda would work. Would it get Obama and Reid aboard, is that it? If not, then what?

You keep running away from the question. If you’re criticizing the House Republicans on the budget, then you surely have a better alternative to offer, no?

joana on May 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

They are too stupid to understand that when a party controls only the House of Representatives they can try to stop the agenda of the party that controls the Presidency and the Senate but cannot act their own agenda as it will be certainly defeated in the Senate or vetoed by the President….

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

It is my understanding that under the constitution the house controls the budget but they don’t have the balls to try.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

Again, try what?

Perhaps your understanding of the Constitution just isn’t that good?

joana on May 12, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Anyone that votes for Mitch McConnell in any election, whether its dog catcher or Senate primary, has the same wafer thin perspective on government as the most naive lefty Democrat cheerleader.’

McConnell hates you. He sees the people only as a barrier to his power. He will say whatever he needs to, to remain in power and laugh with his buddy Harry Reid when the “members only” doors close in the Senate.

Those of you who think our voting for Grimes is out of spite, are again thinking like Democrats. Maybe your instinct is lash out in spite, but i know mine is to remove a man who is willfully dishonest and standing in the way of ever shrinking government. Write this down. Mitch McConnell win never, ever, shrink the size or scope of government of his own accord.

He must go. Sometimes addition by subtraction is all you have.

Those of you commanding us to leave the GOP, if we dont fall in line with the establishment and continue to be happy losers. Watch out what you wish for…..

Ive already got one foot out the door.

alecj on May 12, 2014 at 5:28 PM

joana on May 12, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I’m not here to educate you. Stop trolling.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Poll: Mitch McConnell leads Matt Bevin by 32 in Kentucky GOP primary

yay.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 12, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Those of you commanding us to leave the GOP, if we dont fall in line with the establishment and continue to be happy losers. Watch out what you wish for…..

Ive already got one foot out the door.

alecj on May 12, 2014 at 5:28 PM

True True.

If I lived in KY I wouldn’t vote Mconnel in the general. And I guess it’s a shame that Bevin was a weak candidate but Mconnel hates the TEA Party, which means that he hates the idea of shrinking the federal government >>>> BECAUSE THERE IS ONLY 1 REAL MOVEMENT THAT IS TRYING TO SHRINK THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT – THE TEA PARTY.

So, why would someone ,sympathetic to the platform of Taxed Enough Already , press the button for Mcdonnel? Why vote for the enemy?

BoxHead1 on May 12, 2014 at 5:38 PM

McdonnelMconnel – Fat Iphone Finger

BoxHead1 on May 12, 2014 at 5:39 PM

No doubt about it, Bevins was NO TP candidate. When he announced I checked him out, and found him to be a fraud.

Too bad a real small government patriot didn’t run a campaign of ideas against McConnell.

captnjoe on May 12, 2014 at 4:41 PM

I concur. If the “Tea Party” had run an actual real conservative candidate and not someone who has been endorsed by a large number of Democrats and who wasn’t in favor of Government bailouts, a tax fraud, and a liar, I would have voted for them.

It isn’t rocket surgery, run a Democrat in the Republican Primary and he/she is going to lose here in Kentucky.

Very very poor choice of candidates. Why it’s almost like the Democrats chose the candidate to oppose McConnell in the Primary to run his bank account down.

Johnnyreb on May 12, 2014 at 5:47 PM

And McConnell will go on to lose to Grimes in November.

Pissing off your base when you are the embodiment of all that is wrong in Washington is not a bright idea.

Unfortunately, Kentucky Republicans don’t appear to be that bright when it comes to their choice of candidate if these polls are true and they will live to regret it.

TheRightMan on May 12, 2014 at 5:55 PM

OT
And I see a few of you are saying that the TeaParty movement (or Trucon or purists…) are dying, on the way out, jumped the shark. And now there is a new breed of exciting and excited moderates that will lead the party forward…

To me it’s a silly fantasy on the part of our gopErs but even if it wasn’t fantasy, even if the gopE was ascendant and celebrated while the Tea party was despised … your “argument” wouldn’t sway me. I couldn’t(naziproof) care less about the realpolitik, plutocratic power worshiping.

Again, there is only 1 movement with any pull in this country that is for limited government , against cronyism and for relatively free markets – The TEA Party as imperfect as it is. Not the DEMS, GOP, SOCIALISTS, ENVIRONMENTALISTS, WSJ, NEOCONSERVATIVES… It’s down to the TEA party.

BoxHead1 on May 12, 2014 at 5:58 PM

You clearly have not looked at what Denninger’s views are so why don’t you check out his site; buy his book; and learn something.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 5:12 PM

You’re wasting time; you’re talking to a political hack whose only interest is cheerleading for their favorite baseball team.

Doomberg on May 12, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Doomberg on May 12, 2014 at 6:01 PM

Political hack? You are being far too nice.

gh on May 12, 2014 at 6:05 PM

And McConnell will go on to lose to Grimes in November.

Pissing off your base when you are the embodiment of all that is wrong in Washington is not a bright idea.

Unfortunately, Kentucky Republicans don’t appear to be that bright when it comes to their choice of candidate if these polls are true and they will live to regret it.

TheRightMan on May 12, 2014 at 5:55 PM

Wow, just wow the hubris in your post is way over the top. Live to regret it? Seriously? How is that going to happen? McConnell is going to become a demon and steal our souls and enslave all of us in Kentucky?

You need to back off the caffeine or whatever you are imbibing in there and come back to reality.

A little prophetic doom with your HA anyone? LOL.

Johnnyreb on May 12, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Unlike Grimes right, who will oppose her party & Majority Floor of Leader… yes I see it the We Win By Losing Strategy… we shall halt the War on Coal by electing someone who will support it… we will defeat Minimum Wage Increases by voting for someone who supports it… we shall repeal ObamaCare by electing one more vote tosh sustain it… we shall prevail on a host of issues by electing someone who does not agree with us whatsoever….

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:48 PM

That about sums it up.

cat_owner on May 12, 2014 at 6:15 PM

I can kind of get not voting for Bevin. But conservatives should vote for Grimes. Assuming the Repulbicans take the Senate anyway, then that is the best vote.

K. Hobbit on May 12, 2014 at 6:25 PM

The reason why I say escalate from “Let It Burn” to “Set it on Fire” (and vote Democrat) is because a Republican Party typified by McConnell, Boehner, Ryan, Rubio, Cantor, etc is not going to do much of anything to slow down, much less REVERSE the destructive path of spending, debt, deficits, and growth of tyranny in DC we are seeing.

We can’t stop it by voting for this party. So I propose the alternative: ACCELERATE THE PROCESS OF THE DESTRUCTION.

Only when the Establishment fully collapses will we be able to remake this country into what it was supposed to be: A LIMITED CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC where the state’s powers are FEW and WELL DEFINED, and the Rights of the People are many and largely OPEN ENDED.

Set it on fire. Vote Democrat. So we can have Revolution now, not in our old age.

ConstantineXI on May 12, 2014 at 6:39 PM

You’re wasting time; you’re talking to a political hack whose only interest is cheerleading for their favorite baseball team.

Doomberg on May 12, 2014 at 6:01 PM

More like Baltimore Colts fans cheering them on March 27, 1984…

ebrown2 on May 12, 2014 at 6:40 PM

mnjg on May 12, 2014 at 2:48 PM

Neocon definition of purist: Someone who holds politicians to their word.

It seems to me if they had no intention of repealing Obamacare and controlling spending they should have just said so. Odd that you guys aren’t considering yourselves purists when you left Cucinelli high and dry….

Brock Robamney on May 12, 2014 at 6:46 PM

If you’re going to cast a protest vote, give it to the libertarian. It makes little sense to boost the Democrat numbers.

DisneyFan on May 12, 2014 at 6:48 PM

ConstantineXI on May 12, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Voting is a waste of time . Both parties are part of an oligarchy pursuing their own power. They will destroy the country to do so. It makes no difference who you vote for. Only a convention of the states will fix this short of a revolution

Brock Robamney on May 12, 2014 at 6:52 PM

Unlike Grimes right, who will oppose her party & Majority Floor of Leader… yes I see it the We Win By Losing Strategy… we shall halt the War on Coal by electing someone who will support it… we will defeat Minimum Wage Increases by voting for someone who supports it… we shall repeal ObamaCare by electing one more vote tosh sustain it… we shall prevail on a host of issues by electing someone who does not agree with us whatsoever….

JFKY on May 12, 2014 at 3:48 PM

There are three underlying premises to the”let it burn” strategy.

1: We’ve already lost the cultural war, so it is only a matter of time till we lose the electoral war.

2: The left can’t govern so some catastrophic event will happen that may or may not awaken the public.

3: The GOP has to be taught with whom the real power lies. Then and only then, will they represent conservative ideas.

Will it work: I don’t know, but it stands about as much a chance of working as what you suggest.

DFCtomm on May 12, 2014 at 6:59 PM

that moment tea partiers realize they are in the vast, vast minority…

libfreeordie on May 12, 2014 at 7:09 PM

that moment tea partiers realize they are in the vast, vast minority…

libfreeordie on May 12, 2014 at 7:09 PM

How is Occupy working out? Is that still a thing?

tetriskid on May 12, 2014 at 7:12 PM

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