Clift: Ambassador killed in Benghazi attack wasn’t murdered-murdered, or something

posted at 8:01 am on May 12, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

One has to hope that this represents the nadir of suck-up spin from the media on behalf of the Obama administration regarding the Benghazi probe, but we’re just at the beginning of the select-committee process … so I’m pessimistic about the prospects. On the other hand, it’s difficult to imagine a dumber argument than the one presented by Eleanor Clift this weekend on The McLaughlin Group. Clift argued that Ambassador Chris Stevens wasn’t actually murdered in Benghazi, but merely died of smoke inhalation during an “opportunistic” terrorist attack on the consulate in Benghazi — and then blamed the YouTube video, resurrecting talking points that even the White House disavowed two weeks after their attempt to float them (via Gateway Pundit and Real Clear Politics):

ELEANOR CLIFT: I would like to point out Ambassador Stevens was not murdered. He died of smoke inhalation in the safe room in that CIA installation.

SUSAN FERRECHIO: I don’t think that’s a fact, Eleanor.

CLIFT: I think that is a fact.

FERRECHIO: I’ve heard a drastically different story from people who are also in the know about that. So, I don’t think it is –

PAT BUCHANAN: It was a terrorist attack, Eleanor. He was murdered in a terrorist attack.

Even if Stevens did die of smoke inhalation, that didn’t come from a wastebasket with a stray cigarette. The smoke originated from the building burning around him, because terrorists set fire to it during a terrorist attack. It’s sheer idiocy to argue that deaths in the attack were somehow just coincidences. Even in US civil law, deaths that take place during the commission of felonies are charged as murder, and usually first-degree murder in most jurisdictions, regardless of whether the deaths were intentional or not.

And attacking buildings with mortars and automatic weapons makes it a wee bit difficult to argue that any deaths were somehow accidental or just a coincidental medical condition.  Or, for that matter, “opportunistic.”

It’s moments like these that prove the need for a comprehensive investigation into Benghazi. If media figures like Clift are still babbling out long-debunked talking points on national television, then the House needs to eliminate any more confusion or ambiguities in a decisive and authoritative manner.


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How’d the other people die? Heart attacks? Kidney failure?

Oldnuke on May 12, 2014 at 8:08 AM

A little too much rough-housing.

crrr6 on May 12, 2014 at 8:10 AM

Given Stevens’ proclivities, probably some too-aggressive cake smashing since that seems to be all the rage now teh gheys.

#gheythread

Nutstuyu on May 12, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Is that like Whoopi’s raped-raped statement? God these Dem women are stupid….and ugly

neyney on May 12, 2014 at 9:47 AM

Smoke inhalation doesn’t give you rectal perforations and anal tears. (PC Disclaimer: Not that there’s anything wrong with that)

bofh on May 12, 2014 at 9:51 AM

It doesn’t hurt near as much if you are just murdered. If you are murdered murdered the hurts very much. Is this distinction Clift made remind you of “I did not have sex with that woman! Monica Whazzer name?”.

Herb on May 12, 2014 at 9:53 AM

Sounds to me like Eleanor and the Democrats want to tie his death to Global Warming.

builderD on May 12, 2014 at 9:55 AM

Let’s call this for what it is! Eleanor Clift is no longer a creditable journalist! She is plain and simply a complete disgrace to journalism! She should no longer be taken as creditable for anything she says or writes! I honestly cannot believe someone like her, with all the information access she has, can make a totally jackass statement like this! What in the name of all that is good is wrong with people like this?!!!!

pilamaye on May 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Second-hand smoke claims another victim…
The tendency to deny reality by “repurposing” it has become instinctual in this day and age. At my place of employment we have groups called “Employee Involvement” teams which are said to promote process improvement. They are a sham. When we confronted our manager with the question “is membership in EI mandatory – yes or no?” He avoided answering the question by repeatedly telling us “It’s designated.”

Ba-dum-DUM.

jbspry on May 12, 2014 at 10:05 AM

Is she the last person in the country who believes in the video tale? Crazy lady.

Cindy Munford on May 12, 2014 at 10:07 AM

pilamaye on May 12, 2014 at 10:00 AM

Have you been missing lately or do we just comment at different times? Anyway, nice to see you.

Cindy Munford on May 12, 2014 at 10:08 AM

God, that is one ugly dude …

/lostmotherf*cker

ShainS on May 12, 2014 at 10:12 AM

If Stevens had just held his breath for three hours, he’d be alive today. It’s his own fault for insisting on breathing.

Socratease on May 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM

I understand that when you reach an older age somethings become confusing. Did she realize that she was on some sort of talk show or did she think she was at the retirement facility talking to her friends? Senility is certainly a part of old age. Delusional thought has reached it’s peak with this deranged Democrat.

regmgr on May 12, 2014 at 10:19 AM

I thought he died because he lost his insurance because, you know… republicans.

redzap on May 12, 2014 at 10:20 AM

Anyone notice if she was still wearing knee-pads from her visit to the White House earlier that day???…

PatriotRider on May 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM

So it was like a fraternity hazing death, is that it?

trapeze on May 12, 2014 at 10:24 AM

Anyone notice if she was still wearing knee-pads from her visit to the White House earlier that day???…

PatriotRider on May 12, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Arianna knows at least 20, Jay Carney personally knows three…

Fallon on May 12, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Liberals do the darndest things.

When will they try to convince the rest of us that
Jesus committed suicide?

JayMac1 on May 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM

They just keep lying, until the proletariat assumes since everyone is saying the same thing, it must be the truth. Unfortunately those that live by headlines and soundbites will believe them.

DocRambo on May 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM

If media figures like Clift are still babbling out long-debunked talking points on national television, then the House needs to eliminate any more confusion or ambiguities in a decisive and authoritative manner.

I admit, though, that part of me enjoys seeing leftist snots who’ve spent their adult lives pretending to be journalists, like this nitwit Eleanor Clift, getting outed as the fraudulent big-government suck-ups we all know they are.

Aitch748 on May 12, 2014 at 10:30 AM

We all know that Al Gore won in 2000!!! Bush stole the election!!! That is fact!!! (Pulled from the lib bag-o-tropes.)

in_awe on May 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM

The delusional part is that she could actually expect anyone even the dumbest liberal dipstick out there to believe any of that idiotic spew. No one could be that dumb. But then there is libfree…….

Oldnuke on May 12, 2014 at 8:36 AM

The problem is that you’re wholly, utterly, irretrievably wrong.

There are vast swathes of moronic f*ckwitted liberal dispsticks out there who will happily believe that idiotic spew. They *are* that dumb.

Midas on May 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Clift has always been the scumhag version of scumbag Tomasky.

However, she outdid herself this time.

Plus

God, she’s one ugly broad.

lostmotherland on February 26, 2014 at 4:09 PM

From the in- and outside.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 10:44 AM

And no one in the WTC died because of a terrorist attack. It was structural failure, smoke inhalation, and fire that killed everyone.

BobMbx on May 12, 2014 at 10:45 AM

Where are the Jeantels of HA?

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Geez, we’re being ruled by teenagers. “I didn’t wreck you car dad! I just borrowed it without telling you, and some guy hit it with his car!”

If I’d wanted to hear B.S. hair-splitting like that, I’d have just raised more of my own teenagers.

damage done on May 12, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Here, Guinea worms of HA…kitty, kitty, kitty…come out and defend this hag.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 10:47 AM

You have to mentally deranged to raise money of a dead person considering the circumstances.
I’m not even sure the devil will approve of this.

weedisgood on May 8, 2014 at 1:40 PM

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Liberals do the darndest things.

When will they try to convince the rest of us that
Jesus committed suicide?

JayMac1 on May 12, 2014 at 10:29 AM

Of course Jesus committed suicide.

If you stand in the street watching a bus coming down the street straight toward you even though you can easily move out of the way, and you keep standing there as the bus gets closer and closer until it flattens you, that is suicide.

Exact same kind of thing. Couldn’t be more obvious.

fadetogray on May 12, 2014 at 10:51 AM

“There is no there there.”

Resist We Much on May 12, 2014 at 8:13 AM

No: whether he knows it or not, he’s talking about his head.

Horatia on May 12, 2014 at 8:34 AM

Which one or both? :-)

Resist We Much on May 12, 2014 at 10:52 AM

Clift is a dumb-a–whose babbling does not belong on television!! What a babbling idiot!! Go away.

mrcasella on May 12, 2014 at 10:53 AM

but he was certainly raped-raped.

avi natan on May 12, 2014 at 10:55 AM

amazing when you consider that Frau Clift is not a left wing columnist of the $1 rag, but is an editor.
no lib bias there.

avi natan on May 12, 2014 at 10:57 AM

Jeebus…I hate these people, just hate them. What sort of diseased mind arrives at this sort of conclusion, and all to protect a couple of aholes who would sell their own family into slavery to protect their legacies.

Bishop on May 12, 2014 at 11:05 AM

Clift argued that Ambassador Chris Stevens wasn’t actually murdered in Benghazi, but merely died of smoke inhalation during an “opportunistic” terrorist attack on the consulate in Benghazi

…and they ‘blew smoke up his ass’ ?……and that wasn’t a broom handle?

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Given Stevens’ proclivities, probably some too-aggressive cake smashing since that seems to be all the rage now teh gheys.

#gheythread

Nutstuyu on May 12, 2014 at 9:44 AM

Ok, I have no idea what that means, other than the proclivities thing. Don’t enlighten me either cause I don’t really want to know. I promise I won’t look up cake smashing either.

Oldnuke on May 12, 2014 at 11:09 AM

I don’t know why anyone should be surprised by the babblings of Ms Eleanor Rodham Clift — she has been carrying water for the Democrats and the Left for several decades, and most of us has been ignoring her for exactly that long.

I am surprised, however, to learn that The McLaughlin Group is still on the air.

J Baustian on May 12, 2014 at 11:10 AM

Look, there’s a Henry Cabot Henhouse III argument to be made about being a Foreign Service officer – you knew the job was dangerous when you took it. You’ve got to accept that there may come a time when the law and force available may not protect you from that RPG coming through the window.

Failure to provide sufficient security for the Benghazi facility was a blunder on the part of State brass. An error in judgment.

The part that has to be discomfiting to the diplomatic corps, at least those not partisan Dem hacks, is the quilt of ass-covering and lies that’s followed, the absolute ironclad commitment on the part of this administration to saving Hillary and her immediate underlings from the consequences of her own failures.

JEM on May 12, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Midas on May 12, 2014 at 10:42 AM

Hey whatever advances the cause. The end justifies the means and all that. The progressives are anything but. They are old school religious fanatics… or communists, whatever. Same thing. The big lie and the low-info voter. Working in harmony to destroy the American republic.

Chuck Ef on May 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM

Same thing. The big lie and the low-info voter. Working in harmony to destroy the American republic.

Chuck Ef on May 12, 2014 at 11:17 AM


Disinformation
, a KGB tactic, adopted by all the leftist thugs.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 11:21 AM

…it was just workplace violence.
.
.
.
I think Clift and Senator Senile would make a lovely couple!

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2014 at 11:26 AM

If media figures like Clift are still babbling out long-debunked talking points on national television, then the House needs to eliminate any more confusion or ambiguities in a decisive and authoritative manner.

What’s painfully apparent is that media figures like the feckless, vapid, and ethically challenged Clift, are no longer journalists, but little more than propagandists for the progressive fascist ideology.

This goes beyond ‘the ends justifies the means’ – it’s little more than a elitist ideologue embracing and spouting the ‘big lie’ again and again in the hopes that the LIV accept the lie as truth.

If we ever needed a better example of the corruption, malfeasance, and illegality in the name of political expediency that is rife throughout the Obama Administration – it’s the level of desperation that moronic apologists like Clift are willing to embrace in order to help obfuscate the Administration’s moral and ethical failings.

Athos on May 12, 2014 at 11:26 AM

I am surprised, however, to learn that The McLaughlin Group is still on the air.

J Baustian on May 12, 2014 at 11:10 AM

I find its one of the few shows of its type that is still routinely good. Clift while infuriating, watching her try to justify some crazy things that run counter to her supposed beliefs is often great entertainment.

oryguncon on May 12, 2014 at 11:28 AM

Weapons grade stupidity

NoFanofLibs on May 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM

The McLaughlin Group is still on the air? Who knew? I haven’t watched that thing since the late 1980s.

Esaus Message on May 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Vile.

bour3 on May 12, 2014 at 11:33 AM

He was assassinated in an act of war against the US.

Period.

Full stop.

ajacksonian on May 12, 2014 at 11:37 AM

Eleanor was always the queen of supercilious effrontery.

You didn’t dare challenge her (or you got screamed down).

Nice we can hold the feet of people like this to the fire.

formwiz on May 12, 2014 at 11:41 AM

George Zimmerman should now have a greater case against the State of Florida for wrongful prosecution since Zippy’s son obviously died of a blood clot.

McLaughlin probably hopes for these moments for ratings, helped since Clift’s ability to bring the stupid rivals Sheila Jackson-Lee. What next from this airhead, that Woods and Doherty weren’t murdered because it was self-defense?

MrKleenexMuscles on May 12, 2014 at 11:46 AM

Can we call her Eleanor Rodham Clifton again?

bugsy on May 12, 2014 at 11:48 AM

I haven’t heard of anything from this tool for a long time. She hasn’t changed. She has been saying stuff like this for a long time.

Why pay her any attention now?

TerryW on May 12, 2014 at 11:49 AM

Right Eleanor.

And the attacks on WTC on 9/11 were orchestrated by Bush, Cheney, Haliburton and the Jews.

And the victims weren’t murdered they just happened to be near the scene of an aircraft accident.

fogw on May 12, 2014 at 11:51 AM

This is a great example of exactly how much human life is worth to these “Liberals”.

Absolutely nothing is how much. I honestly don’t know how anyone can call themselves a democrat.

KMC1 on May 12, 2014 at 11:58 AM

Last I checked, we charge arsonists with murder if someone dies in the flames, even if it is one of the arsonists. But let’s not let pesky things like our legal system get in the way of Hillary’s coronation as queen.

LarryinLA on May 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM

This ranks right up there with “That wasn’t rape-rape” and “tingles up my leg.”

Eleanor Clift is one of the shrillest and most dishonest women in the history of the world. It’s amazing that anyone would hire her.

Did I also mention that she’s dumb and fugly?

bw222 on May 12, 2014 at 12:12 PM

…and they ‘blew smoke up his ass’ ?……and that wasn’t a broom handle?

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2014 at 11:08 AM

Careful, that may be another perversion that the homosexual community practices and considers a fundamental right. Criticizing it would be bigotry. Let’s ask our homosexual trolls.

slickwillie2001 on May 12, 2014 at 12:28 PM

To be fair, Eleanor Clift has never argued anything: she simply states the Truth as it is known to all Civilized People and repeats herself until time runs out.

PersonFromPorlock on May 12, 2014 at 12:31 PM

I guess all those people on 911 that died of smoke inhalation weren’t murdered

gxbhkt on May 12, 2014 at 12:40 PM

I accept the fact that, at age 75, I am a lot younger than Eleanor Clift (although probably not as good-looking or as easy on the ears) but even I can recognize a Helen Thomas wannabe when I see one. Perhaps if poor Ellie inhaled some special “smoke”, it might ease her terminal senility.

ricoliv on May 12, 2014 at 12:47 PM

What a moron.

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM

If you visit Snopes and look into the death of Chris Stevens its still listed as undetermined. No postmortem was ever released from the US Government, and no one can say with any certainty what the actual cause of death was. How can we not know such a detail about the first Ambassador killed in 30 years? Its crazy and it would be good for everyone, including the clueless Clift to know.

TonyR on May 12, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Two quotes come to mind: We are all born ignorant but one must work hard to remain stupid. Ben Franklin

And: Life is tough but it is tougher when you are stupid. John Wayne

She earned her pay check because she was working overtime stuck on stupid.

crosshugger on May 12, 2014 at 1:21 PM

Poor Eleanor. She’s gone batty.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2014 at 1:25 PM

Eleanor Clift, practicing legislating from the bench for the remaining half of her otherwise wasted fantasy life.

Willys on May 12, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Ambassador Chris Stevens died as a result of the attack by Ansar al-Sharia on the CIA annex, led by Ahmed Abu Khattala.

The warning signs were there, Ansar al-Sharia had a huge display of force in June 2012, a few months before the attack, when they showed up in Benghazi’s Tahrir Square displaying the largest and most heavily armed militia in the city. They were and are the most powerful force in Benghazi.

The rival militia in Benghazi is also an Islamist militia but more pro-American, the February 17th Martyr’s Brigade. Chris Stevens had a good relationship with these guys and they were supposed to protect him, indeed they were guarding the annex when the attack occurred.

The betrayal was that when Ansar al-Sharia showed up at the annex with a large force and started firing on it, the February 17th Martyr’s Brigade was not willing to start a war with Ansar al-Sharia to protect the annex, and basically stood aside and let them in.

The failure in Benghazi was ultimately one of hubris. The US thought they understood the political situation in Benghazi and that they had powerful friends there, the February 17th Martyr’s Brigade (supposedly the strongest militia there). What they didn’t understand is that the real power in Benghazi is Ansar al-Sharia, and that an intricate network of tribal ties, political alliances and fear of the power of Ansar al-Sharia, in the end the United States did not have any friends willing to fight for them in Benghazi.

People should be asking Fawzi Bukatef, leader of the February 17th Martyr’s Brigade, why his army stood and watched while their good friend died.

James Dahl on May 12, 2014 at 1:29 PM

She’s as deranged as her twin, Harry Reid.

LASue on May 12, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Americans give the people of Benghazi a bad rap though, Ansar al-Sharia isn’t really a local militia, it’s based in Benghazi but it’s made up of radical Islamic nutters from across Libya, with no loyalty to the local populace.

After the embassy attack, Benghazi was furious at Ansar al-Sharia, and protested outside their base asking them to leave, and Ansar al-Sharia fired back at the crowd killing many people. This prompted the ordinary people of Benghazi to storm their base on 21 September, take down their black al-Qaeda flag, burn it to the ground, and chase them beyond the city limits.

Ansar al-Sharia is based in Jebel Akhdar now. To this day though, noone has brought Ahmed Abu Khattala to justice for what he’s done to America or to Libya.

James Dahl on May 12, 2014 at 1:36 PM

If you visit Snopes and look into the death of Chris Stevens its still listed as undetermined. No postmortem was ever released from the US Government, and no one can say with any certainty what the actual cause of death was. How can we not know such a detail about the first Ambassador killed in 30 years? Its crazy and it would be good for everyone, including the clueless Clift to know.

TonyR on May 12, 2014 at 1:19 PM

The obvious follow-up question to Clift’s remarks about smoke inhalation should have been:

How do you know that, Eleanor?

There have been no autopsy results released to the public.

Which Dems are pushing this line to their friends in the media?

Ed, you’re not following the ball here.

Missy on May 12, 2014 at 1:58 PM

but even I can recognize a Helen Thomas wannabe when I see one. Perhaps if poor Ellie inhaled some special “smoke”, it might ease her terminal senility.

ricoliv on May 12, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Eleanor makes Helen Thomas look sane (by comparison). She’s slightly better looking less fugly than Helen, but that shrill voice ….

bw222 on May 12, 2014 at 2:18 PM

People tend to project their own attributes onto others. If you are a good person, you tend to view others as good. If you are intelligent, you tend to assume that others are intelligent.

The fact that some people are surprised at Clift making such an idiotic comment means that they are projecting some measure of intelligence onto her. Her comment wasn’t a mistake or some clever ploy to fool the masses. There is no intelligence in that chicken-like noggin of hers. She really is that stupid.
Liberals really really really are that stupid.

justltl on May 12, 2014 at 2:59 PM

workingclass artist on May 12, 2014 at 9:38 AM

Another reason I don’t use Google.

avagreen on May 12, 2014 at 3:00 PM

How do you know that, Eleanor?

There have been no autopsy results released to the public.

Missy on May 12, 2014 at 1:58 PM

’cause she’s a liar.

avagreen on May 12, 2014 at 3:02 PM

Now Leftists, as opposed to their useful idiot liberals, aren’t necessarily stupid. Leftists are just evil.

justltl on May 12, 2014 at 3:03 PM

That is one of the more asinine comments I have ever heard. Let’s extend her “logic” even further. There were doubtlessly many hundreds of people in the WTC in 9/11/01 that “died” as a result of smoke inhalation. Does Ms Clift wish to distinguish between those victims who did and did not? Should we not hold the perpetrators responsible for the people who jumped out of the building? After all, no terrorist directly killed these people. They died of blunt force trauma brought on by their own choosing!!

Lastly, let’s remember that Ms Clift works for Newsweek, which recently sold for $1. She is not a serious person, but simply a paid propagandist for the blue team.

stout77 on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

She’ll make a scary Halloween mask.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 3:06 PM

After the embassy attack, Benghazi was furious at Ansar al-Sharia, and protested outside their base asking them to leave, and Ansar al-Sharia fired back at the crowd killing many people. This prompted the ordinary people of Benghazi to storm their base on 21 September, take down their black al-Qaeda flag, burn it to the ground, and chase them beyond the city limits.
James Dahl on May 12, 2014 at 1:36 PM

That’s one small step for mankind, one giant leap for mankind.

(Thank you, James, for the contribution. I heard the news at that time, but did not register on me what had happened.)

avagreen on May 12, 2014 at 3:07 PM

I find it hard to believe but everyone got this wrong. after all It was just a job interview for Jay Carney’s postions.

jpcpt03 on May 12, 2014 at 3:14 PM

Years ago when I had time for The McGlocklin (sp?) Report I found a repeatitive use for the mute button on the remote when Eleanor began screaching. These days, I have no patients watching them overtalking each other. But Eleanor Rodham Clift was always a hard core partisan lefty validating the following:
The press is largely made up of Democrat (Gimmedat) operatives, with a byline.

Missilengr on May 12, 2014 at 3:34 PM

and Eleanor Rodham Clift is not a Moron-moron.

Another Drew on May 12, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Watch this version of Eleanor. It’s more factual and entertaining than the actual McLaughlin show. From back when SNL was funny.

Brat on May 12, 2014 at 4:03 PM

Sure. And our soldiers aren’t killed with gunfire, they die of lead poisoning.

NoPain on May 12, 2014 at 4:19 PM

Dear Eleanor Clift;

By that idiotic reasoning, people that died of smoke inhalation, jumped from the buildings, or were crushed by debris were not “murdered” by terrorists on 9/11/01.

Any purposeful criminal actions, or in-actions in the case of failure to protect or save, by a person/group that result in the death of others is murder. Therefore, people that die due to attacks from terrorists are (by definition) murdered by terrorists.

Make sure you get a re-fill on your moron pills, because you are one dumb cookie when you forget to take them.

Geministorm on May 12, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Best McLaughlin Group episode ever!

Del Dolemonte on May 12, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Clift: Ambassador killed in Benghazi attack wasn’t murdered-murdered, or something

Scum, absolute scum. How the hell do they sleep at night.

Just incredible.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 12, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Harry Reid-Don’t be ridiculous. It wasn’t a video. It was obviously the Koch brothers due to their extensive global warming.

talkingpoints on May 12, 2014 at 5:39 PM

From over at AoS:

Lauren on 05/12/2014 at 1:15 pm said:
“Ambassador Stevens wasn’t murdered”

He was unalived.

rottenrobbie on May 12, 2014 at 5:45 PM

C U Next Tuesday, ‘Eleanor’

Tard on May 12, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Someone quoted on Fox News: “That’s like saying JFK was killed in a car accident.”

slickwillie2001 on May 12, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Senile.

Sherman1864 on May 13, 2014 at 4:37 AM

She has to be one of the most obnoxious women on the planet.Make that people.

redware on May 13, 2014 at 8:55 AM

He died because of the smoke generated from the attack / fires, which was all over a videowhich evidently doesn’t matter…which means he wasn’t MURDERED-murdered…he was just ‘murdered‘. No HARM-harm, no FOUL-foul, I guess.

easyt65 on May 14, 2014 at 7:29 AM

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