Black mass still on at Harvard despite protests — and opposition from its president; Update: Moved off campus; Update: Canceled

posted at 12:41 pm on May 12, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

It’s still on, even though Harvard University has come under an avalanche of public criticism for hosting it. Tonight’s satanic Black Mass “re-enactment” may be sans consecrated host — at least, that’s the public position of those staging it now — but the offense remains. Those offended include Harvard University president Drew Faust, who called it “abhorrent”:

A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group.

“Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes,” the students group said in a statement, “but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.”

The student club said it also plans to host Shinto tea ceremony, a Shaker exhibit and a presentation on Buddhist meditation.

But Harvard University President Drew Faust called the plans to hold the black Mass “abhorrent” and a “fundamental affront values of inclusion, belonging and mutual respect that must define our community.”

“It is deeply regrettable that the organizers of this event, well aware of the offense they are causing so many others, have chosen to proceed with a form of expression that is so flagrantly disrespectful and inflammatory,” Faust continued.

Well, if Faust finds it “abhorrent” and a “fundamental affront,” why not force its cancellation? The ceremony — excuse me, performance art — will take place in a pub on university grounds, and the club is affiliated with the university. Harvard claims it can’t do anything about it on the grounds of intellectual freedom, but local priests scoff at that notion, especially given the intentionally sacrilegious nature of the black mass. One priest wondered whether Harvard would allow a re-enactment of a KKK ceremony as educational:

The educational argument for conducting the ceremony is nonsense. One can have a lecture on the practices of satanists without actually conducting their rituals. Are Harvard students so obtuse that they couldn’t learn about Aztec history without watching a human sacrifice re-enactment, to use just one example? This is just an attempt to attack Christianity and the Catholic and Orthodox faiths in particular by conducting a denigration of their worship practices. If Harvard feels that this qualifies as educational freedom, I wonder what would happen if their extension club mocked Islam in a similar manner. I’d bet they wouldn’t be nearly as sanguine about that kind of campus event, nor should they be.

Francis Clooney, a professor at the Harvard School of Divinity, offered similar thoughts in the school paper:

The club explains: “Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes, but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices. This performance is part of a larger effort to explore religious facets that continue to influence contemporary culture.”

If only the organizers had said more on which “religious facets that continue to influence contemporary culture” are highlighted in the performance of a black mass. This is, after all, a practice that, as far as its murky history reveals, seems often to have included the inversion and blaspheming of Catholic sacramental practice, as well as actual worship of Satan. Will these dimensions be present in Monday’s enactment? And what’s next? The endeavor “to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices” might in another year lead to historical reenactments of anti-Semitic or racist ceremonies familiar from Western history or parodies that trivialize Native American heritage or other revivals of cultural and religious insult.

Such events would surely raise legitimate concerns among all of us at Harvard; no one should be surprised if Catholics are concerned right now.

The Archdiocese of Boston plans to hold its own events tonight in opposition to the black mass:

In response to the “black mass” demonstration, the Archdiocese announced Friday that it plans to hold a prayer vigil on Monday followed by a Eucharistic procession to St. Paul Church, which will subsequently hold a “holy hour.” Harvard College Faith and Action has also scheduled a prayer event in response to the reenactment, according to Olivia J. Krusel ’15, the organization’s vice president.

In a bit of ironic juxtaposition, the Washington Post expressed a little surprise over the weekend that Pope Francis talks about the devil and Hell:

Largely under the radar, theologians and Vatican insiders say, Francis has not only dwelled far more on Satan in sermons and speeches than his recent predecessors have, but also sought to rekindle the Devil’s image as a supernatural entity with the forces­ of evil at his beck and call.

Last year, for instance, Francis laid hands on a man in a wheelchair who claimed to be possessed by demons, in what many saw as an impromptu act of cleansing. A few months later, he praised a group long viewed by some as the crazy uncles of the Roman Catholic Church — the International Association of Exorcists — for “helping people who suffer and are in need of liberation.”

“ ‘But Father, how old-fashioned you are to speak about the Devil in the 21st century,’ ” Francis, quoting those who have noted his frequent mentions of the Devil, said last month while presiding over Mass at the Vatican’s chapel in St. Martha’s House. He warned those gathered on that chilly morning to be vigilant and not be fooled by the hidden face of Satan in the modern world. “Look out because the Devil is present,” he said.

Since its foundation, the church has taught the existence of the Devil. But in recent decades, progressive priests and bishops, particularly in the United States and Western Europe, have tended to couch Satan in more allegorical terms. Evil became less the wicked plan of the master of hell than the nasty byproduct of humanity’s free will. Even Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI, a lofty German theologian, often painted evil with a broad brush.

Enter the plain-talking first pope from Latin America, where mystical views of Satan still hold sway in broad areas of the region. During his time as cardinal of Buenos Aires before rising to the papacy, Francis was known for stark warnings against “the tempter” and “the father of lies.” Now, his focus on the Devil is raising eyebrows even within the normally unquestioning walls of Vatican City.

“Pope Francis never stops talking about the Devil; it’s constant,” said one senior bishop in Vatican City who spoke on the condition of anonymity in order to speak freely. “Had Pope Benedict done this, the media would have clobbered him.”

Perhaps it’s because it’s becoming more necessary.

Update: Looks like the pressure forced the group to move the event off of Harvard’s campus — but they’re having trouble finding a host:

The Harvard Extension School Cultural Studies Club said it will relocate its reenactment of a Satanic black mass ritual, scheduled for Monday night, to an off-campus site, citing in an email that “misinterpretations about the nature of the event were harming perceptions about Harvard and adversely impacting the student community.”

The club wrote in its email that the event will be held at The Middle East nightclub in Central Square at 9:00 p.m. But Clay S. Fernald, the general manager of The Middle East, said Monday evening that the nightclub will not host the event, and that negotiations with the Harvard Extension Cultural Studies Club had fallen through.

Fernald declined to comment on why negotiations had ended.

The Cultural Studies Club emphasized that Harvard had not asked them to move the event from its previous location, the Cambridge Queen’s Head Pub in the basement of Memorial Hall, and commended the University for affirming its members’ rights to free speech and assembly.

We’ll see where the event ends up, if anywhere at all.

Update: Jim Armstrong, a reporter for Boston’s CBS affiliate, reports that the event has been canceled:

The Satanic Temple still plans to conduct its service somewhere, but the Harvard group has dropped out of the event.

Update: Further confirmation from my cousin Nick Emmons at WHDH in Boston:

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Perhaps it’s because it’s becoming more necessary.

Amen…

OmahaConservative on May 12, 2014 at 12:43 PM

So what?
Let ‘em at it.

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Re education….

d1carter on May 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Why not hold a reenactment of Kristallnacht, with all the participants in historically accurate uniforms, for “historical purposes”, of course?

Tom Servo on May 12, 2014 at 12:45 PM

But Harvard University President Drew Faust called the plans to hold the black Mass “abhorrent” and a “fundamental affront values of inclusion, belonging and mutual respect that must define our community.”

Wait…wait …wait.
His name is ‘Faust’???

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:46 PM

So what?
Let ‘em at it.

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Agreed…like marching KKK fools. Laugh at them.

A free society should shun all their stupid.

It’s just so ironic that the same utter turkeys and Guinea worms have zero tolerance for free speeches: see Rice and Ali, for starters.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out– Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me–and there was no one left to speak for me.

From here

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 12:47 PM

OT, but not really, a pic. of the devil

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Why not hold a reenactment of Kristallnacht, with all the participants in historically accurate uniforms, for “historical purposes”, of course?

Tom Servo on May 12, 2014 at 12:45 PM

That sounds stupid too.
But free speech isn’t just free good speech.

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:48 PM

So what?
Let ‘em at it.

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:44 PM

Agreed…like marching KKK fools. Laugh at them.

A free society should shun all their stupid.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 12:47 PM

Yes…but now I see the guy objecting is a guy named Faust.
The plot thickens!

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:50 PM

Usually don’t like to post Bible quotes, but…

Isaiah 5:20

This one seems to apply to EVERYTHING these days.

:/

-Wasteland Man

WastelandMan on May 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Harvard’s satanic Black Mass.

I wonder what Harvard would do if they were burning a Koran?

Well…actually, no, I don’t wonder at all. I know!

It would be cancelled.

sharrukin on May 12, 2014 at 12:51 PM

Eeeeeeek! People I don’t like are doing harmless things I don’t like! Don’t they know someone might be offended? Someone think of the children!

FranklinBluth on May 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Wait…wait …wait.
His name is ‘Faust’???

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Good catch.

That is amusing.

sharrukin on May 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM

So are there trigger warnings for this event?

Or would those only apply to a pro-life rally or a conservative speaker appearing on campus.

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 12:54 PM

Eeeeeeek! People I don’t like are doing harmless things I don’t like! Don’t they know someone might be offended? Someone think of the children!

FranklinBluth on May 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Says every liberal at least once a week.

CurtZHP on May 12, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Eeeeeeek! People I don’t like are doing harmless things I don’t like! Don’t they know someone might be offended? Someone think of the children!

FranklinBluth on May 12, 2014 at 12:52 PM

Says every liberal at least once a week.

CurtZHP on May 12, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Wait…wait …wait.
His name is ‘Faust’???

verbaluce

Beat me to it!

oldsquid on May 12, 2014 at 1:15 PM

I feel a very, very slight obligation to defend Harvard College students (having once been one myself) by pointing out that the Satan-worshiping students are from the Extension School, not the College itself.

steebo77 on May 12, 2014 at 1:15 PM

Are Harvard students so obtuse that they couldn’t learn about Aztec history without watching a human sacrifice re-enactment, to use just one example?

Yes.

dreadnought62 on May 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Easter Bunny hardest hit.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM

Wait…wait …wait.
His name is ‘Faust’???

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Her name.

steebo77 on May 12, 2014 at 1:16 PM

The President of Harvard University

President Drew Gilpin Faust

is a GUUUURRRRRLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!

D-fusit on May 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Prepare to reap the whirlwind

neyney on May 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM

But science.

Cindy Munford on May 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Asked on Twitter – has anyone informed the local mosque of this blasphemy of God/Allah?

Surellin on May 12, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Plea for attention! But so unoriginal! Look at me! I’ve got a tattoo!

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2014 at 1:19 PM

Yeah, and the net impact this will have on the world is 0.0. We all wake up tomorrow with precisely nothing different than it was when we went to bed.

Let the goth kids have their stupid little whatever. Grab a beer, sit outside and enjoy the weather. Life’s too short.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 1:20 PM

How pedestrian and unsurprising.

The same x tians who, not a week ago, were up in arms about Condi Rice voluntarily choosing not to speak at a commencement and who were — quite righteously — frothing at the mouth when it came to Brandeis rescinding their invitation and honour from AH Ali, can now be found on the pages of hotair positively demanding that standards of censorship be upheld and the satanists trolling their ridiculous liturgy be banned from campus.

What a joke. You guys don’t give a damn about freedom of ideas or “freedom to offend”. You only care about your views being permitted…how quickly you call for Dr Faust to cancel the black mass! God forbid anyone that gets his learning from the bible show a little consistency (how extracurricular that would be!), but it’s a little much to about-face in the short space of two weeks from “all views must be allowed, even if they often; such is the academic spirit of free enquiry!!!!!” to “ban those damn satanists, they’re just taking the piss anyway!”

Pathetic. Just another example of the famous x tian creed put into practice: Rules for thee, but not for me.

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

If you have a problem with Black mass, you’re a racist. Grovel in apology at the hooves of the Great One, or be forced to sell your NFL team.

Rix on May 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Well, I guess they haven’t quite matured to the Twilight phase yet …

… and that the local Catholic clergy would even address this is, well, equally ridiculous.

M240H on May 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Wow. this is edgy and intelligent. haha.

Idiots…

Murphy9 on May 12, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Let it happen. If Christianity is undone, it will be by the apathy of the masses, not the sacrilege of nuts. Or, as Napoleon said: “never interrupt your enemy when he’s making a mistake.”

LukeinNE on May 12, 2014 at 1:24 PM

So how many protesters are there, one hundred or so? And how many students and faculty at Harvard? More than one hundred?

Is it not true that the fundamental principle of democracy is majority rule, the majority makes the decisions, sets the agenda, and the minority agrees to abide by those rules?

So ‘fairness’ trumps democracy? One hundred people can demand the right to make the rules, and the majority agrees to go along with that?

This is progress? This is justice?

Forward to insanity and tyranny. If we are to be ruled by one hundred, best make it rule by Satan’s disciples.

Joseph OHenry on May 12, 2014 at 1:25 PM

If you believe in the devil, don’t you believe in Christianity?
I’m confused.

vityas on May 12, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Harvard University president Drew Faust

God is truly the best comedian.

EvilMonk on May 12, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 1:20 PM

Good point. Attention whores just get emboldened by more attention than they’re really worth.

Cleombrotus on May 12, 2014 at 1:29 PM

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

I read all the comments in this thread and can’t seem to find anyone calling for this thing to be canceled.

Decaf next time, maybe?

CurtZHP on May 12, 2014 at 1:31 PM

“Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes,” the students group said in a statement, “but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.”

…it all…starts out that way!
SOS.

KOOLAID2 on May 12, 2014 at 1:31 PM

Why not hold a reenactment of Kristallnacht, with all the participants in historically accurate uniforms, for “historical purposes”, of course?

Tom Servo on May 12, 2014 at 12:45 PM

Pfft! You think THAT would be an issue on a left-wing campus?

Try re-enacting the inauguration of Ronald Reagan and watch them flip out.

Kensington on May 12, 2014 at 1:32 PM

Yeah, and the net impact this will have on the world is 0.0. We all wake up tomorrow with precisely nothing different than it was when we went to bed.

Let the goth kids have their stupid little whatever. Grab a beer, sit outside and enjoy the weather. Life’s too short.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 1:20 PM

It’s such a small thing. What could possibly go wrong by disregarding it?

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 1:33 PM

A real Haaaavaaaawwd education, that’s for sure…….. typical idiot, intolerant, hypocrite liberals. Their parents can be so proud, and the “university” can trumpet it’s reputation. Morons

ultracon on May 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM

Pathetic.

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

See? I got rid of all your unnecessary self-congratulatory egotistic words, and it boiled down to one word. Please learn how to blog economically.

John the Libertarian on May 12, 2014 at 1:34 PM

It’s only fair that the freaks at Westboro be allowed to show up with their “ALL F@ggots Will Burn in Hell” signs. You know so the students can “learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.”

HumpBot Salvation on May 12, 2014 at 1:36 PM

If you believe in the devil, don’t you believe in Christianity?
I’m confused.

vityas on May 12, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Jews believe in the Devil, but don’t believe Christ was the son of God or the Messiah. Pretty sure Muslims believe in the devil too.

Technically, Christianity is a belief system, as is Judaism, Islamism, Hinduism, and Buddhism. I believe in all of those because they exist.

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 1:37 PM

..can now be found on the pages of hotair positively demanding that standards of censorship be upheld and the satanists trolling their ridiculous liturgy be banned from campus.jaxisaneurophysicist on May 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Bullshit.
Can you reference all the HA posters who fit that bloviating standard you just claimed exists here?
Thanks.

Mimzey on May 12, 2014 at 1:38 PM

People actually pay money for their children to attend schools such as this?

Newtie and the Beauty on May 12, 2014 at 1:39 PM

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

What are “x tians”?

Newtie and the Beauty on May 12, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Try re-enacting the inauguration of Ronald Reagan and watch them flip out.

Kensington on May 12, 2014 at 1:32 PM

…G. Washington’s farewell address maybe…? Perhaps Congress’ first call to a nation day of prayer?

Ricard on May 12, 2014 at 1:45 PM

Harvard claims it can’t do anything about it on the grounds of intellectual freedom, but local priests scoff at that notion, especially given the intentionally sacrilegious nature of the black mass.

Hm. Free speech vs. community expectations is often a tough call. However, in a different context they have managed to draw some boundaries, for example by letting a controversial faculty member go (interesting religious topics in this article as well IMO):

Yet, there is an important line between speech that is unpopular and controversial—and which ought to be protected—and that which is needlessly inflammatory and indefensible. It’s clear which side of the line Swamy’s words fall on.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2011/12/12/swamy-racism-dismissal/

cs89 on May 12, 2014 at 1:45 PM

What are “x tians”?

Newtie and the Beauty on May 12, 2014 at 1:42 PM

I think he was referring to “X-Titans”. It’s the Japanese version of “X-Men”.

Mimzey on May 12, 2014 at 1:46 PM

Ed:
Help us out if you will. Isn’t “Satan” a deity in Islamo-Judeo-Christian belief? Isn’t Satan a fallen angel of heaven and the manifestation of all that is evil and opposed to the God of Abraham? So Satanism isn’t really a religion itself per se, but the worship of a deity that is the antithesis to those above religions. As such the Satanic religion would by its nature denigrate and disrespect those religions would it not?

paulsur on May 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Has the commie Pope weighed in on this controversy yet?

Armin Tamzarian on May 12, 2014 at 1:50 PM

God forbid anyone that gets his learning from the bible show a little consistency (how extracurricular that would be!)

jaxisaneurophysicist on May 12, 2014 at 1:23 PM

Are you familiar with the treatment that God prescribes for his enemies? This isn’t exhaustive or even close, but read Joshua 10 for a good sample.

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 1:52 PM

In response to the “black mass” demonstration, the Archdiocese announced Friday that it plans to hold a prayer vigil on Monday followed by a Eucharistic procession to St. Paul Church, which will subsequently hold a “holy hour.”

This reminds me of the South Park where Cartman thinks he has psychic crime-fighting powers, and the other ‘psychics’ confront him and accuse him of not being a real psychic. They then they have a psychic mind battle where they stand across from each other making noises and ‘battling’ each other with their minds.

Of course, neither Cartman nor the the psychics were actually had any powers.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Of course, neither Cartman nor the the psychics were actually had any powers.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 1:52 PM

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Mimzey on May 12, 2014 at 1:46 PM

I thought X-Files afficianadoes, myself, but, then again, that made as much sense as the rest of jax’s post–none.

Newtie and the Beauty on May 12, 2014 at 1:53 PM

So Satanism isn’t really a religion itself per se, but the worship of a deity that is the antithesis to those above religions. As such the Satanic religion would by its nature denigrate and disrespect those religions would it not?

paulsur on May 12, 2014 at 1:48 PM

Satan is not a deity. He is a created being, as you say, a fallen angel.

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Satan is not a deity. He is a created being, as you say, a fallen angel.

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Well, isn’t that special.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 1:59 PM

Evil became less the wicked plan of the master of hell than the nasty byproduct of humanity’s free will.

These aren’t mutually exclusive. Lutheran doctrine gives the sources of temptation as “the devil, the world, and our own sinful flesh.”

GWB on May 12, 2014 at 2:00 PM

Free country. Look it up.

Stop acting like liberals already.

The whole situation is hilarious.

Moesart on May 12, 2014 at 2:05 PM

Prepare to reap the whirlwind

neyney on May 12, 2014 at 1:18 PM

From who?

To quote Gideon’s father in Judges 6:31 “And Joash said unto all that stood against him, Will ye plead for [wafer Jesus]? will ye save him? he that will plead for him, let him be put to death whilst it is yet morning:if he be a god, let him plead for himself, because one hath cast down his altar.”

The only ones upset over desecration of a piece of bread are Catholics.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 2:08 PM

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 1:59 PM

LOL!

SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2014 at 2:09 PM

Are you familiar with the treatment that God prescribes for his enemies? This isn’t exhaustive or even close, but read Joshua 10 for a good sample.

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 1:52 PM

This has nothing to do with God’s enemies. With reference to the Bible, everyone who is not reconciled to God is God’s enemy.

Rom 5:10 “For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.”

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 2:12 PM

And with the recent Supreme Court decision on prayer at public meetings, you will see Satanic prayers to start off the meeting ….because as the Supreme Court said, that is our tradition

georgealbert on May 12, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Actually, I find the ceremony absolutely appropriate to the venue and population and no more unusual than holding the Haj in Mecca or a Buddhist ceremony at Bodh Gaya, India. Where else, other than the Washington, DC area, can you find such a collection of devotees of evil amongst the faculty, administration, and student body? And much of the ambiance of Washington comes from the presence of an overwhelming number of their alumni.

Subotai Bahadur on May 12, 2014 at 2:16 PM

Re-enactment? No. This is the real deal.

iceman1960 on May 12, 2014 at 2:22 PM

And with the recent Supreme Court decision on prayer at public meetings, you will see Satanic prayers to start off the meeting ….because as the Supreme Court said, that is our tradition

georgealbert on May 12, 2014 at 2:12 PM

I certainly hope you’re right.
Sunlight/disinfectant…light/cockroaches etc.

Mimzey on May 12, 2014 at 2:26 PM

This is non-news. This is a non-issue. The black massers do not want to raise taxes, take away property or gun rights, supervise private economic activity, grant amnesty to illegals, subsidise bogus green energy projects, re-organize the U.S. healthcare system on the model of that Romney loser who also lost to Obama, arm, train, and fund Jihadists in Syria or Neo-Nazis in Ukraine like the U.S. State Department under Kerry and Nuland, provoke war with a nuclear power like, say Russia etc., etc. Or if they do they are not in a position to pursue their policies except by voting for Democrats, or in too many cases people who call themselves Republicans like that repellent Romney loser who refuses to recede into the ignominy of obscurity that he so richly deserves.

Black mass with an unconsecrated host? Could not possibly care less, especially if the black massers support gun rights, property rights, minimal government.

casuist on May 12, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Re-enactment? No. This is the real deal.

Only with a consecrated host is this the “real deal.” And in that case you would not oppose these children so much as pray mightily for the love and mercy of an infinite G_d to cancel the hell they bring on themselves, yo.

casuist on May 12, 2014 at 2:34 PM


The only ones upset over desecration of a piece of bread are Catholics.

And those who respect what others hold sacred.

casuist on May 12, 2014 at 2:36 PM

This has nothing to do with God’s enemies. With reference to the Bible, everyone who is not reconciled to God is God’s enemy.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Who is it that you imagine is reconciled to God, Satan or those who propose to “demonstrate” a satanic ritual?

Regardless, these aren’t Satan worshipers. They’re school children intent on offending the sensibilities of their elders. Harvard should not allow the poo-flinging monkeys any appearance of official approbation.

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 2:41 PM

And those who respect what others hold sacred.

casuist on May 12, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Do you hold sacred those things that are sacred to communists?

Needless to say, it’s a squishy principle.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 2:52 PM

Be a bitch if the big bad guy really showed up during their play-acting.

tree hugging sister on May 12, 2014 at 2:53 PM

Who is it that you imagine is reconciled to God, Satan or those who propose to “demonstrate” a satanic ritual?

Regardless, these aren’t Satan worshipers. They’re school children intent on offending the sensibilities of their elders. Harvard should not allow the poo-flinging monkeys any appearance of official approbation.

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 2:41 PM

The unsaved?

Fallen angels won’t be reconciled to God.

Either way, the people doing this aren’t attacking God. They are a religion.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 2:55 PM

The issue here isn’t freedom of religion, it’s the double standard being perpetrated by the University. Liberal college administrators cancel events that involve discussion of conservative ideas at the slightest hint of (manufactured) outrage from a handful of leftist students, but hide behind the First Amendment when radical public displays – intentionally engineered to foment hate and outrage – are carried out.

I could care less whether these childish assclowns want to hold a Satanic mass. However, I care very much that the allegedly educated people in charge would allow this freak show to take place, especially when the same people don’t hesitate to cancel conservative events simply because a few Libtards are afraid they might have to actually defend one of their ridiculous ideas.

Armed Texan on May 12, 2014 at 2:57 PM

The unsaved?

Fallen angels won’t be reconciled to God.

Either way, the people doing this aren’t attacking God. They are a religion.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 2:55 PM

That’s nice.

And the Pope is the vicar of Satan or something, right?

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 2:57 PM

That’s nice.

And the Pope is the vicar of Satan or something, right?

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Non-Catholics have regarded him as a good candidate for the Antichrist for many years.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM


Do you hold sacred those things that are sacred to communists?

Needless to say, it’s a squishy principle

.

Communism as I understand it rejects explicitly any category of the sacred in the sense of a symbol that points to the transcendent–dialectical materialism.

I concede that respect for what others hold sacred is a squishy principle, like the Pagan formula Do No Harm it requires lots of interpretation at point of application. It is a principle I would rescind immediately in favour of other principles of law or custom in the case of e.g. a blood cult that holds animal torture sacred. Even so, I am not going to mess with anyone’s consecrated host, burn anyone’s Koran, and I listen thoughtfully during First Nations invocations at civic ceremonies.

casuist on May 12, 2014 at 3:08 PM

Non-Catholics have regarded him as a good candidate for the Antichrist for many years.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:04 PM

And non-believers have regarded both Catholics and Protestants, as well as Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, Satanists, et al., as delusional for many years as well.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:09 PM


I could care less whether these childish assclowns want to hold a Satanic mass. However, I care very much that the allegedly educated people in charge would allow this freak show to take place, especially when the same people don’t hesitate to cancel conservative events simply because a few Libtards are afraid they might have to actually defend one of their ridiculous ideas.

That’s a good point.

casuist on May 12, 2014 at 3:10 PM

And non-believers have regarded both Catholics and Protestants, as well as Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Scientologists, Mormons, Satanists, et al., as delusional for many years as well.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:09 PM

People without faith tend to resent those with faith.

Very understandable.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Regardless, these aren’t Satan worshipers. They’re school children intent on offending the sensibilities of their elders.

Immolate on May 12, 2014 at 2:41 PM

I would say “regardles of whether they are Satanists, they’e school children….” But, yeah.

Either way, the people doing this aren’t attacking God. They are a religion.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 2:55 PM

That doesn’t even make sense.

Armed Texan on May 12, 2014 at 2:57 PM

Exactly.

GWB on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

But Harvard University President Drew Faust called the plans to hold the black Mass “abhorrent” and a “fundamental affront values of inclusion, belonging and mutual respect that must define our community.”

“It is deeply regrettable that the organizers of this event, well aware of the offense they are causing so many others, have chosen to proceed with a form of expression that is so flagrantly disrespectful and inflammatory,” Faust continued.

President Faust, meet Mephistopheles.

Why don’t the Catholic students at Hahvid hold a procession of the Blessed Sacrament in front of the building where the black mass is scheduled?

Steve Z on May 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Be a bitch if the big bad guy really showed up during their play-acting.

tree hugging sister on May 12, 2014 at 2:53 PM

The people would probably run out of there scared out of their wits, looking for a Catholic exorcist.

Steve Z on May 12, 2014 at 3:24 PM

People without faith tend to resent those with faith.

Very understandable.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:11 PM

Non sequitur.

SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2014 at 3:24 PM

People without faith tend to resent those with faith.

Very understandable.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:11 PM

No resentment here, brother.

Just amusement at your inability to see your blind spot.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Non sequitur.

SauerKraut537 on May 12, 2014 at 3:24 PM

False dichotomy.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Why don’t the Catholic students at Hahvid hold a procession of the Blessed Sacrament in front of the building where the black mass is scheduled?

Steve Z on May 12, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Again, it will end up something like this.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:32 PM

No resentment here, brother.

Just amusement at your inability to see your blind spot.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Everyone has blind spots.

Are you also amused at your own blind spots?

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Everyone has blind spots.

Are you also amused at your own blind spots?

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:33 PM

I’m amused at one with no evidence supporting his claims acting like the other guy has no evidence supporting his claims.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Either way, the people doing this aren’t attacking God. They are attacking a religion.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 2:55 PM

That doesn’t even make sense.

GWB on May 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Catholicism is one of many religions.

Just one.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:35 PM

So when will the Harvard intellectuals be putting on ‘performance art’ as it relates to Islam?

No time soon, I’m betting.

GarandFan on May 12, 2014 at 3:35 PM

Macro-aggression.

KMC1 on May 12, 2014 at 3:37 PM

I’m amused at one with no evidence supporting his claims acting like the other guy has no evidence supporting his claims.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:35 PM

You don’t see how you fall into this amusing situation?

There exists lots of ‘evidence’ of which you yourself are without explanation.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:37 PM

But Harvard University President Drew Faust called the plans to hold the black Mass “abhorrent” and a “fundamental affront values of inclusion, belonging and mutual respect that must define our community.”

Wait…wait …wait.
His name is ‘Faust’???

verbaluce on May 12, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Interesting…and of course he claims his hands are tied…

workingclass artist on May 12, 2014 at 3:40 PM

You don’t see how you fall into this amusing situation?

I’m not making any claims that a supernatural invisible sky being exists, nor am I asserting that a dark lord of the underworld (also invisible) exists.

You are.

The burden of proof is yours, not mine.

There exists lots of ‘evidence’ of which you yourself are without explanation.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:37 PM

Google “God of the Gaps argument”

Not knowing something or being able to explain something for which an explanation is not yet formulated is not ‘evidence’ for the existence of a supernatural invisible sky being.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:41 PM

It’s still on, even though Harvard University has come under an avalanche of public criticism for hosting it. Tonight’s satanic Black Mass “re-enactment” may be sans consecrated host — at least, that’s the public position of those staging it now — but the offense remains.

They claimed to have stolen one from a Catholic Church…

Where is it?

workingclass artist on May 12, 2014 at 3:47 PM

I’m not making any claims that a supernatural invisible sky being exists, nor am I asserting that a dark lord of the underworld (also invisible) exists.

You are.

The burden of proof is yours, not mine.

If you claim something doesn’t exist, yet have no proof.
You also are making claims without evidence.

Claims without evidence was the topic, was it not? At best you can say you don’t know

Google “God of the Gaps argument”

Not knowing something or being able to explain something for which an explanation is not yet formulated is not ‘evidence’ for the existence of a supernatural invisible sky being.

Good Lt on May 12, 2014 at 3:41 PM

Didn’t make that claim.

My claim was that there was a whole lot of evidence (everything that exists) that you can’t explain. It’s fine if you want to pretend that such evidence doesn’t require an explanation. I find that to be amusing.

Bigbullets on May 12, 2014 at 3:50 PM

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