Rand Paul to GOP: Our voter ID push is “offending people”

posted at 4:41 pm on May 9, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’ve been waiting three hours since I saw this tweet for the NYT to publish a transcript or story about what he said, but no dice as I’m writing this. If it happens tonight, I’ll update with a link. The quote’s almost certainly not out of context, though: Remember, Paul told David Axelrod a few weeks ago that he thinks the GOP might be overemphasizing the issue. What’s newsy about this is the tone. Sounds like he’s gone from “maybe this isn’t a great idea” to “let’s drop it, quickly.”

An interesting reply from lefty Benjy Sarlin:

And Paul’s evolution, needless to say, is no accident:

Meeting with black pastors and breaking with the party orthodoxy on voter ID is less important to Rand in building his base for the general election than it is in preemptively defusing the “Paul’s a racist” attacks that will begin the instant he emerges as a serious threat for the nomination. The left (and maybe not just the left) is going to kitchen-sink him on that — his old comments on the Civil Rights Act, his father’s newsletters, having the “Southern Avenger” on staff, even agreeing with Cliven Bundy about federal land-use practices before quickly denouncing him after his comments about blacks went viral. Between Paul’s voter ID skepticism, his outreach to black leaders, and his criticism of racial bias in drug law enforcement and sentencing, he’s trying to vaccinate himself from the “racism” attacks that are assuredly coming, at least to the extent that reporters are forced to mention all of Paul’s conciliatory measures towards minority voters when relaying Democratic talking points on him.

How does this play in the primaries, though? Voter ID is of a piece with immigration reform, I think, in that righties see both issues as very basic rule-of-law stuff. (Whereas lefties, naturally, see them as proxies for racism.) If you can enhance the integrity of elections by imposing a simple ID requirement, you do it; if you can reduce the risk of illegal immigration in the future, even as a condition to a mass amnesty right now, you do it. If Paul’s conceding on one of those issues because he’s eager to impress a core Democratic constituency from whom he’s unlikely to win many extra votes, it opens him up to speculation that he might concede on other important issues once in office. That is to say, in the name of vaccinating himself in the general election, he might be giving himself a bug in the primaries. And there is, of course, a potential rival who’ll be only too happy to make him pay for it: Not only has Ted Cruz praised GOP candidates for defending voter ID, he tried to attach a voter ID measure of his own to the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill last year. Cruz could use this as a proxy issue to convince conservatives that, when push comes to shove, Paul simply can’t be trusted to stand on principle. He has too many liabilities and he’s a bit too eager sometimes to try to atone for those liabilities. (Interestingly, if Paul’s recent flirtation with hawkishness towards Russia continues, some of his libertarian fans may agree.) But that raises a problem of its own:

Right. One of the reasons Perry got nuked in 2012 was his “you don’t have a heart” comment on in-state tuition for illegals. He got pounded for it in the primaries, including by Mitt “Self-deportation” Romney, and then Democrats turned around and pounded Romney on immigration. You might see the same thing on voter ID. Rand calls for a stand-down, Cruz or Rubio or Jeb or whoever tears him apart over it en route to the nomination, and then in the general election Democrats tear that guy apart for tearing Rand apart. They’ll be desperate in 2016 to maintain the high level of black turnout that Obama saw in 2008 and 2012. A GOP civil war on voter ID could be just what they need.


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it is a fixed variable that leftist/dem will lie cheat and steal to win elections. And it account for a relatively small percentage of the vote.

Guilliani once told a story of how he asked his aides how many false ballots would the left put in the boxes. IIRC the number was about 50K. That was the fixed number, so the Mayor knew he had to GOTV even more

And I think that’s true. The large issue is the RINO party. Lets face it…conservatives can barely stand to vote for them and their corrupt self-interested stands.

change the RINOs into another visionary party, who knows how to appeal to people and articulate a conservative vision..then the landslide will wipe away the fraud

don’t get me wrong..the RINO party is not capable of that. It will take a while to re-build a party that can

r keller on May 9, 2014 at 6:20 PM

birdwatcher on May 9, 2014 at 6:08 PM

And if getting a ID is too much trouble they won’t be getting NJ drivers licenses.

The state requires numerous pieces of official identification, passport, birth certificate, SS card, federal ID, marriage certificate, etc.

katiejane on May 9, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Really getting sick and tired of this whining wuss.Anybody else’s passes you want us to kiss,Rand?

redware on May 9, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Dang Rand.

Bmore on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

In all seriousness, what sort of voter fraud numbers are we talking about?
 
Something extremely low like 100,000 nationwide?

rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

December 15, 2013

Last month all three of Lawrence’s State Representatives voted in favor of Voter ID in Massachusetts.

This is odd given that we are told day in, and day out by the Democrat leadership, and the so called “news” media that people who support Voter ID are, in fact, “racists” trying to deny Latino’s the “right to vote.”

It’s odd because two of the three legislators representing Lawrence are Dominican (ie: Latinos) Marcos Devers and Frank Moran. The third is Diana DiZoglio who speaks fluent Spanish and garnered a large amount of support from Lawrence’s Latino population in the last election.

Lawrence, Massachusetts, birthplace of the Confederacy.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Bump

Why do you treat black people like criminals?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Why do you treat them like incompetents?

PersonFromPorlock on May 9, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:22 PM

Incidentally, I still want to see requiring a gun buyer to show ID challenged on the same grounds that requiring a voter to show ID is challenged.

PersonFromPorlock on May 9, 2014 at 6:24 PM

What disappointment Rand has turned out to be. Sad!

fight like a girl on May 9, 2014 at 5:31 PM

This guy is as fake as his “hair.”

bw222 on May 9, 2014 at 6:26 PM

The people who cheat demagogue the issue. When you’re losing 90% of the vote, so what?

Nexialist on May 9, 2014 at 6:29 PM

The older he gets the stupider he sounds. Appears to be genetic. History says things will get worse in that regard.

Carnac on May 9, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Rand Paul teaming with the GOPe to remind me why I have not donated to the party this year at all.

Have fun in November Rand I won’t vote if you think Democrats’ favorite cartoon characters should be.

harlekwin15 on May 9, 2014 at 6:30 PM

Allahpundit, are you trying to cause a heart attach here?

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 4:45 PM

It’s very insensitive of you to laugh about heart attaches. The tragic loss of a family member to a heart attach in my youth has deeply affected me. I assure you, a heart attach is no laughing matter. Shame on you.

steebo77 on May 9, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Give her a break Steebo, I think she meant heart attaché.

Not that uncommon after one receives their bill at a Paris restaurant.

pain train on May 9, 2014 at 6:31 PM

I never liked this guy or his dad. They are squishes

neyney on May 9, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Really getting sick and tired of this whining wuss.Anybody else’s passes you want us to kiss,Rand?

redware on May 9, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Wiminz’s…but then that was his dadda’s expertise :)…Rand’s is the eye :)

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Backbone in the gop apparently has only one home…..TEXAS.

And it ain’t Cornyn or Rick Perry’s houses.

PappyD61 on May 9, 2014 at 6:32 PM

In all seriousness, what sort of voter fraud numbers are we talking about?

Something extremely low like 100,000 nationwide?

rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

United States presidential election in Florida, 2000

Nominee George W. Bush Al Gore
Electoral vote 25 0
Popular vote 2,912,790 2,912,253
Percentage 48.85% 48.84%

pain train on May 9, 2014 at 6:35 PM

Oooh,Hispanic voters are offended by the rule of law.Quick support amnesty so we don’t lose the 9 freaking votes they gave Romney.Uh,oh quick.Blacks are offended by the desire to insure integrity in our elections,so let’s let people vote as often as they like.Wouldn’t want to lose the 7 votes blacks gave Romney would we?Why don’t you just adopt the entire Socialist Progressive platform,turn the NY Times into Pravda,and we can resurrect the Soviet Union here at home before Putin can do it in Russia.

redware on May 9, 2014 at 6:36 PM

Rand Paul is teaching a valuable lesson. On most issues, libertarians are liberals. Only on some economic and privacy issues are they conservative.

fight like a girl on May 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM

You hit the nail on the head. Libertarians are basically liberals who don’t want to pay taxes.

bw222 on May 9, 2014 at 6:39 PM

Why should I care if they are offended?

sorrowen on May 9, 2014 at 6:41 PM

In Massachusetts, you need to provide three forms of ID to obtain a drivers license.

birdwatcher on May 9, 2014 at 6:43 PM

In all seriousness, what sort of voter fraud numbers are we talking about?

Something extremely low like 100,000 nationwide?

rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

I think you have missed the voter fraud where an illegal alien votes. I estimate that number at around a half a million and we can thank Billy Boy and ‘Motor Voter’.

slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Allahpundit, are you trying to cause a heart attach here?
coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 4:45 PM

It’s very insensitive of you to laugh about heart attaches. The tragic loss of a family member to a heart attach in my youth has deeply affected me. I assure you, a heart attach is no laughing matter. Shame on you.

steebo77 on May 9, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Give her a break Steebo, I think she meant heart attaché.

Not that uncommon after one receives their bill at a Paris restaurant.

pain train on May 9, 2014 at 6:31 PM

That would be l’infarctus du myocarde or crise cardiaque :)…

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 6:43 PM

Doublespeak is your friend. We need more conservative politicians engaging in this kind of stuff.

By the way, the actual NYT article on this is more sympathetic to Rand Paul than this piece. No wonder AP is mentioned by name as the prototypica center-right commentator who’s hostile to Rand Paul. The analogy with Perry’s faux pas is amusing.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 6:44 PM

In all seriousness, what sort of voter fraud numbers are we talking about?

Something extremely low like 100,000 nationwide?
 
rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

 
I think you have missed the voter fraud where an illegal alien votes. I estimate that number at around a half a million and we can thank Billy Boy and ‘Motor Voter’.
 
slickwillie2001 on May 9, 2014 at 6:43 PM

 
Hmm. Interesting.
 
urban elitist, any rough guess on how many instances of voter fraud occurred nationwide in the last couple of presidential elections?
 
I truly don’t know, and you used “systemic”, so I’m guessing you have some idea.

rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Hero to Zero.

VorDaj on May 9, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Just like Rubio.

Typicalwhitewoman on May 9, 2014 at 6:46 PM

Doublespeak is your friend…By the way, the actual NYT article on this is more sympathetic to Rand Paul than this piece. No wonder AP is mentioned by name as the prototypica center-right commentator who’s hostile to Rand Paul. The analogy with Perry’s faux pas is amusing.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 6:44 PM

I agree, sometimes one needs to do what it takes to get elected, then they can simply ‘evolve’ on issues, just like our current president did on…pretty much every single important one.

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 6:53 PM

Doublespeak is your friend…By the way, the actual NYT article on this is more sympathetic to Rand Paul than this piece. No wonder AP is mentioned by name as the prototypica center-right commentator who’s hostile to Rand Paul. The analogy with Perry’s faux pas is amusing.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 6:44 PM

I agree, sometimes one needs to do what it takes to get elected, then they can simply ‘evolve’ on issues, just like our current president did on…pretty much every single important one.

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 6:53 PM

I agree as well. Why fight the democrats when you can adopt their stances on issues and make everyone happy? So much fighting and nastiness in DC.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM

And now Paul found his Issue To P*ss Off The Base With™.

Is there anybody who won’t pull that shat?

Steve Eggleston on May 9, 2014 at 7:01 PM

How many ways can Rand shoot himself in the foot between now and the 2016 primaries?

JannyMae on May 9, 2014 at 7:02 PM

rockmom on May 9, 2014 at 5:06 PM

Eisenhower got the biggest percentage of the black vote of any Republican since the Roosevelt era: 39% in 1956. At the time Ike and the GOP were integrating schools and other places and fighting for civil rights against the Dixiecrats. Yet, 61% of blacks that was voting for a party that was largely opposing them.

That was before the welfare state as we know it. It was in an era when blacks had a 23% illegitimacy rate as opposed to today’s 72% rate. The only way the GOP is going to attract a large chunk of the black vote is by out-pandering the Democrats, which appears to be Rand Paul’s strategy.

bw222 on May 9, 2014 at 7:02 PM

joana on May 9, 2014 at 6:44 PM

You need to apologize to several posters from yesterday.

RickB on May 9, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Where in the Constitution does it say “You have the right to not be offended?” Give it up Rand, you are so busy straddling the fence you’ve got it up your butt! Paul is willing to sell out any principle for the title “President of the United States”. He no longer even gets consideration for my vote.

searcher on May 9, 2014 at 7:17 PM

I agree as well. Why fight the democrats when you can adopt their stances on issues and make everyone happy? So much fighting and nastiness in DC.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM

:)

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 7:17 PM

I agree as well. Why fight the democrats when you can adopt their stances on issues and make everyone happy? So much fighting and nastiness in DC.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Who has adopted the liberal stance on anything?

This is a pure “aww, shucks. I feel your pain” moment. It improves his likeability to certain groups without compromising policy.

Democrats have mastered this Machiavellian stuff – Obama, in particular, who, particularly in his first campaign, managed to be almost everything to almost everybody. Enough with the unilateral disarmament.

The best position on this issue is that voting ID laws offend some folks sensibilities and we fully understand that. States have the duty to protect election integrity and for the most part they’re doing that in the most sensible and reasonable ways. Hopefully Democrats can ease on their radical and extremist positions on election integrity laws and we can all work together to improve them.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 7:20 PM

You need to apologize to several posters from yesterday.

RickB on May 9, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Huh? Why?

joana on May 9, 2014 at 7:21 PM

Glad to see at least some of the potential Presidential candidates are getting vetted (one way or another). Citizens deserve to know what their President thinks and how he will act.

Ricks Cafe on May 9, 2014 at 7:21 PM

Huh? Why?

joana on May 9, 2014 at 7:21 PM

For being your typical, awful self. And you need to start giving trigger warnings whenever you post.

NotCoach on May 9, 2014 at 7:24 PM

Huh? Why?

joana on May 9, 2014 at 7:21 PM

You’re a liar who stated that Warner and Lugar have never endorsed a Democrat.

RickB on May 9, 2014 at 7:25 PM

I agree as well. Why fight the democrats when you can adopt their stances on issues and make everyone happy? So much fighting and nastiness in DC.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:00 PM

Who has adopted the liberal stance on anything?

This is a pure “aww, shucks. I feel your pain” moment. It improves his likeability to certain groups without compromising policy.

Democrats have mastered this Machiavellian stuff – Obama, in particular, who, particularly in his first campaign, managed to be almost everything to almost everybody. Enough with the unilateral disarmament.

The best position on this issue is that voting ID laws offend some folks sensibilities and we fully understand that. States have the duty to protect election integrity and for the most part they’re doing that in the most sensible and reasonable ways. Hopefully Democrats can ease on their radical and extremist positions on election integrity laws and we can all work together to improve them.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 7:20 PM

No really, I agree. It worked well for McCain and President Romney to “feel their pain”. And, the democrats are always so willing to reach across the aisle and work with republicans when we give in to them. You are so right!

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM

I tried to stick with you, Rand.

I wanted to defend you, Rand.

And then you had to go and drop the “O” word, Rand.

You’re dead to me, Rand.

HikaruKitsune on May 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM

you need to apologize to several posters from yesterday. RickB on May 9, 2014 at 7:15 PM

Actually,, you could go back much farther..

And you must be a trucon.

~~~~~~~~

I want to see mccain dragged in to this. If they were running guns in to syria, you KNOW that sob was involved.

wolly4321 on May 9, 2014 at 7:35 PM

You’re a liar who stated that Warner and Lugar have never endorsed a Democrat.

RickB on May 9, 2014 at 7:25 PM

Context is your friend.

The discussion was about incumbent/establishment Republicans who, after losing a primary to an insurgent/Tea Party challenger, turned around and endorsed the Democrat in the race out of spite.

Lugar endorsed Mourdock. Warner never lost a primary.

No really, I agree. It worked well for McCain and President Romney to “feel their pain”. And, the democrats are always so willing to reach across the aisle and work with republicans when we give in to them. You are so right!

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Who cares if they’re willing to work with Republicans or not? Personally, I’d rather marginalize Democrats from the legislative process as much as possible. My concern is about having politicians who can win elections and implement conservative policies. McCain, the straight-talker, was never comfortable in that role, neither was Romney. They were easily outmatched by a doublespeak expert like Obama.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 7:37 PM

Crap,, sorry. Wrong thread

wolly4321 on May 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM

Can’t we just add a provision that every citizen can get 1 ID free of charge? The only people who are tying this to race are the people who are abusing the system.

There are just too many idiots in this country.

WisCon on May 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM

If people are “offended” it’s only because the Dems are telling them they should be.

It isn’t the idea that everyone should have to present valid ID to vote, which makes total sense. It’s just that the Republicans have lost the messaging war.

Meredith on May 9, 2014 at 7:47 PM

I’m offended that our elections aren’t clean and fair.

thatsafactjack on May 9, 2014 at 7:51 PM

Those who take offense would never vote GOP anyway. Rand is too smart by half here and will pay the price for his pandering.

PaddyORyan on May 9, 2014 at 7:52 PM

No really, I agree. It worked well for McCain and President Romney to “feel their pain”. And, the democrats are always so willing to reach across the aisle and work with republicans when we give in to them. You are so right!

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:29 PM

Who cares if they’re willing to work with Republicans or not? Personally, I’d rather marginalize Democrats from the legislative process as much as possible. My concern is about having politicians who can win elections and implement conservative policies. McCain, the straight-talker, was never comfortable in that role, neither was Romney. They were easily outmatched by a doublespeak expert like Obama.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 7:37 PM

The best position on this issue is that voting ID laws offend some folks sensibilities and we fully understand that. States have the duty to protect election integrity and for the most part they’re doing that in the most sensible and reasonable ways. Hopefully Democrats can ease on their radical and extremist positions on election integrity laws and we can all work together to improve them.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 7:20 PM

So, pandering to every aggrieved victim like democrats will win voters? And, then if we do that, democrats will surrender their insanity and we can join forces?

And, when we are finished pandering to every aggrieved victim and the democrats have seen the error of their ways and surrender, then our own every candidate for everyone lite will then implement conservative policies. Really?

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:54 PM

I want to see mccain dragged in to this. If they were running guns in to syria, you KNOW that sob was involved.

wolly4321 on May 9, 2014 at 7:35 PM

I’ll bet the House Intelligence Committee would also have known. Mike Rodgers, the Republican chairman, is leaving congress.

butch on May 9, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Hey, Rand, thanks for the tip. Now, I know what to say when I have a complaint. By the way, you have really been offending me lately with all of your about face comments.

mobydutch on May 9, 2014 at 7:55 PM

And the (self-)hits just keep on coming.

Another so-called Tea Partier bites himself repeatedly in the arse the dust

ShainS on May 9, 2014 at 7:57 PM

I think voter ID is important, but our rhetoric on the subject could certainly use some work. It’s not that our rhetoric is even wrong, but the tone makes it far too easy for people to read into it in whatever negative light they’d like.

Granted, a lot of people will do that no matter what tone you use, but you might as well not make it easy for them.

WolvenOne on May 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM

So, pandering to every aggrieved victim like democrats will win voters?

Yeps, not necessarily the votes of the “victims”. I don’t think this is a play to win black voters.

And, then if we do that, democrats will surrender their insanity and we can join forces?

LOL. No. That’s not going to happen.

And, when we are finished pandering to every aggrieved victim and the democrats have seen the error of their ways and surrender, then our own every candidate for everyone lite will then implement conservative policies. Really?

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:54 PM

No. You’re a bit too naive. Our candidate can implement conservative policies if/when he wins, period. Being a candidate for everyone didn’t stop Obama from being a radical policy-maker.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM

I have long had a theory that liberal/progressives are putting something into the water supply in Washington D.C.

This statement by Rand Paul would seem to add substance to that theory!

r27cj on May 9, 2014 at 8:04 PM

I think voter ID is important, but our rhetoric on the subject could certainly use some work. It’s not that our rhetoric is even wrong, but the tone makes it far too easy for people to read into it in whatever negative light they’d like.

Granted, a lot of people will do that no matter what tone you use, but you might as well not make it easy for them.

WolvenOne on May 9, 2014 at 8:02 PM

Exactly.

For starters, every Republican politician should start calling them election integrity laws.

Additionally, expressions like “black voters”, “inner cities political machines”, “Philadelphia”, “Cook County machine”, “immigrants”, etc, should never be used when talking about election integrity laws.

The only thing that matters is putting voting-ID laws in the books at the minimal political cost.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 8:06 PM

It’s like Rand is trying to sabotage himself. Sad.

Fallon on May 9, 2014 at 8:06 PM

…shut-up Rand!…just stfu!

KOOLAID2 on May 9, 2014 at 8:07 PM

I have long had a theory that liberal/progressives are putting something into the water supply in Washington D.C.

This statement by Rand Paul would seem to add substance to that theory!

r27cj on May 9, 2014 at 8:04 PM

I thought it might have something to do with the NSA. Everyone has secrets.

Fallon on May 9, 2014 at 8:10 PM

Incidentally, I still want to see requiring a gun buyer to show ID challenged on the same grounds that requiring a voter to show ID is challenged

This is the best I could think of: The second amendment protects your right to keep and bear arms, but it doesn’t require gun shops to sell. Thus, there is no constitutional issue that I can see in requiring a prospective buyer to present their ID.

eaglescout_1998 on May 9, 2014 at 8:10 PM

I’ve always had doubts about Paul and his latest remark confirms it. He’s simply not strong enough to lead this country. I’ve always said that, in my opinion, Ted Cruz is a much better choice for the General Election than any other prospective candidate on the GOP side.

jacobim on May 9, 2014 at 8:11 PM

So, pandering to every aggrieved victim like democrats will win voters?

Yeps, not necessarily the votes of the “victims”. I don’t think this is a play to win black voters.

And, then if we do that, democrats will surrender their insanity and we can join forces?

LOL. No. That’s not going to happen.

And, when we are finished pandering to every aggrieved victim and the democrats have seen the error of their ways and surrender, then our own every candidate for everyone lite will then implement conservative policies. Really?

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 7:54 PM

No. You’re a bit too naive. Our candidate can implement conservative policies if/when he wins, period. Being a candidate for everyone didn’t stop Obama from being a radical policy-maker.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 8:03 PM

I’m a bit too naive? I was just following your plan. You said our candidate should use doublespeak to pander to ‘feel their pain’ and once the democrats ease their radical and extremist positions, we can work together and our double speaking pander candidate will implement conservative policies. Those were your words, naive and clearly insane, yes, but YOUR words.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Give her a break Steebo, I think she meant heart attaché.

Not that uncommon after one receives their bill at a Paris restaurant.

pain train on May 9, 2014 at 6:31 PM

so true. so so true.

Now on a lighter note I am disappointed that this thread has only 250 comments right now. I was hopping it would have at least 500.

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 8:12 PM

This is silly. Even Bill Clinton is coming around to support voter ID. You need a photo ID for healthcare to prevent healthcare fraud, use the same ID to vote.

It really isn’t that similar to immigration reform.

We need to do something about immigration. But it is a completely separate issue than requiring a photo ID to vote, get healthcare, enter a courthouse, etc.

talkingpoints on May 9, 2014 at 8:14 PM

I’m a bit too naive? I was just following your plan. You said our candidate should use doublespeak to pander to ‘feel their pain’ and once the democrats ease their radical and extremist positions, we can work together and our double speaking pander candidate will implement conservative policies. Those were your words, naive and clearly insane, yes, but YOUR words.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Good lord.

I was saying what our candidates should publicly say. Not what they should believe, surely not what I believe.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Vote for the new panderer.

rlwo2008 on May 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM

I’m a bit too naive? I was just following your plan. You said our candidate should use doublespeak to pander to ‘feel their pain’ and once the democrats ease their radical and extremist positions, we can work together and our double speaking pander candidate will implement conservative policies. Those were your words, naive and clearly insane, yes, but YOUR words.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Good lord.

I was saying what our candidates should publicly say. Not what they should believe, surely not what I believe.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Do you live under a lot of power lines?

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 8:19 PM

I think Rand is addressing Voter ID from the wrong angle. It’s probably offending people because politics has tainted the whole ID process. Republicans complain that it’s too easy for illegals to get a voter registration card, or it’s too easy for one person to vote multiple times. Democrats complain that where the GOP controls the local governments, the poor and working class face tremendous difficulty in getting the required ID and getting to the polls. Rand should be saying that voter ID should be required, yet reasonably accessible.

TMOverbeck on May 9, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Rand. Dude. Why pander to a voting block that votes consistently 96% Democrat?

I don’t see Sen. Cruz doing anything that stupid.

BigAlSouth on May 9, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Do you live under a lot of power lines?

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 8:19 PM

I’ll take this as a tacit admission that you finally got the point.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Who is it offending Communists?

lilium479 on May 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Well, yeah, of course he’s right. The arguments against Voter ID are offensive.

Isn’t that what he’s talking about?

vlad martel on May 9, 2014 at 8:25 PM

Hey Rand. Bite me.

A total of 35,750 voters with matching first and last names and date of birth were registered in North Carolina and another state, and voted in both states in the 2012 general election. Another 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, date of birth and last four digits of their Social Security number were registered and voted in the 2012 general election in North Carolina and another state…

See: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2014/04/03/oh-my-evidence-of-massive-voter-fraud-in-north-carolina-n1818137

BigAlSouth on May 9, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Do you live under a lot of power lines?

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 8:19 PM

I’ll take this as a tacit admission that you finally got the point.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Sure. Maybe lead paint exposure.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Rand is running to the left of Romney.

bluegill on May 9, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Yeah, let’s be terrified of offending dead people, illegal aliens and cheaters wrt voting.

The Rogue Tomato on May 9, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Paul and the lefties want to avoid being called racist for claiming only black people and Hispanics are too stupid to be able to sign up for a voter ID.

The Rogue Tomato on May 9, 2014 at 8:40 PM

All these clowns are disappointing. Voting is a huge matter and is reserved for American citizens in good standing. Why is it so hard to accept the notion that citizenship (i.e. “the right to vote”) is confirmed at the ballot box?
How in the world is that racist? Try going to Mexico and vote as a non citizen. In fact, everyone should read Mexico’s stance on illegal immigrants.. It is a lesson in hypocracy.

tstar44 on May 9, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Hyp

tstar44 on May 9, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Bye crazies. And thanks for the attention suckers.

joana on May 8, 2014 at 1:00 AM

ShainS on May 9, 2014 at 8:43 PM

He should try appealing to his base.

Black pastors will never be his base. Never.

Bigbullets on May 9, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Damn Droid keyboards.. Hypocrisy….sp

tstar44 on May 9, 2014 at 8:45 PM

My family really doesn’t care if we are offending illegal, cheating, lying aliens. What we care about is the integrity of the vote and illegals stealing the elections.

leader4hru on May 9, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Rand’s dad the Herr Doktor has endorsed David RINO Dewhurst over Dan Patrick in the 5/27 TX LTG run-off.
Tree-Apple.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 9, 2014 at 8:45 PM

I’m done voting for Republicans. Someone wake me when a real opposition party rises.

rvastar on May 9, 2014 at 5:07 PM

I am so with you on that!

vamp57mw on May 9, 2014 at 8:47 PM

The first thing we did for Iraq elections were safeguarding voter integrity with the ink on your thumb. I guess we’re to believe that the party that would turn the IRS into an appendage of their reelection campaign would be above casting fraudulent ballots.

crrr6 on May 9, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Rand Paul is looking more and more like dear old dad.
I mean seriously, a libertarian would not demand, DEMAND, that only legitimate members of a nation be allowed to vote and to not have to worry about their votes being diluted by illegal votes and cheating?
This is just disgusting coming from a supposed conservative/libertarian. He is looking more and more insane by the speech.

astonerii on May 9, 2014 at 9:05 PM

The older he gets the stupider he sounds. Appears to be genetic. History says things will get worse in that regard.

Carnac on May 9, 2014 at 6:29 PM

Yep lol

I never liked this guy or his dad. They are squishes

neyney on May 9, 2014 at 6:31 PM

Yep.

non-nonpartisan on May 9, 2014 at 9:06 PM

Paul and the lefties want to avoid being called racist for claiming only black people and Hispanics are too stupid to be able to sign up for a voter ID.

The Rogue Tomato on May 9, 2014 at 8:40 PM

No, you’ve got that wrong. It’s the special and unique evil of whites causing the problem. As a libertarian with no actual ideas (beside the non-existent “invisible hand”), Rand is incapable of articulating a response. Libertarianism always succumbs to leftist tropes — always.

vlad martel on May 9, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Good lord.

I was saying what our candidates should publicly say. Not what they should believe, surely not what I believe.

joana on May 9, 2014 at 8:15 PM

In order to earn votes with conservatives, candidates say what the believe.

astonerii on May 9, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Rand is running to the left of Romney.

bluegill on May 9, 2014 at 8:36 PM

I agree. So, when should we expect Rand to start advocating for raising the minimum wage, like financial genius Mitt? You know that day is coming.

non-nonpartisan on May 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM

I was hopping it would have at least 500.

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Hopping…something that my beloved relative who suffered a heart attach will never be able to do again.

Thanks for rubbing it in.

steebo77 on May 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Heh.

My prediction that Paul will NEVER be on a GOP national ticket looks better all the time!

You know there is not a single student in college that doesn’t have a photo ID. I would have drawn them out on that point, asked if it was harder for them to get because they are black, etc., and pointed out the 93 year old black woman from NC who said it would be a hardship, as it turned out, already had state-issued photo ID.

Adjoran on May 9, 2014 at 9:15 PM

F*ck off, Rand. I don’t give two squishy shits (also known as liberal f*ckwitted trolls) who is offended by the need for voter identification. We don’t accept lack of ID countless other instances that are infinitely less important than the integrity of the vote.

F*ck them, and f*ck you.

Midas on May 9, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Hopping…something that my beloved relative who suffered a heart attach will never be able to do again.

Thanks for rubbing it in.

steebo77 on May 9, 2014 at 9:12 PM

My pleasure.

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 9:15 PM

Rand Paul to GOP: Our voter ID push is “offending people”

Fair is fair, then change the laws so that Conservatives and Republicans too can vote as many times as we like.

RJL on May 9, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Rand Paul is quickly running away from the people that would have supported and voted for him toward people that will never vote for him.

RJL on May 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM

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