Rand Paul to GOP: Our voter ID push is “offending people”

posted at 4:41 pm on May 9, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’ve been waiting three hours since I saw this tweet for the NYT to publish a transcript or story about what he said, but no dice as I’m writing this. If it happens tonight, I’ll update with a link. The quote’s almost certainly not out of context, though: Remember, Paul told David Axelrod a few weeks ago that he thinks the GOP might be overemphasizing the issue. What’s newsy about this is the tone. Sounds like he’s gone from “maybe this isn’t a great idea” to “let’s drop it, quickly.”

An interesting reply from lefty Benjy Sarlin:

And Paul’s evolution, needless to say, is no accident:

Meeting with black pastors and breaking with the party orthodoxy on voter ID is less important to Rand in building his base for the general election than it is in preemptively defusing the “Paul’s a racist” attacks that will begin the instant he emerges as a serious threat for the nomination. The left (and maybe not just the left) is going to kitchen-sink him on that — his old comments on the Civil Rights Act, his father’s newsletters, having the “Southern Avenger” on staff, even agreeing with Cliven Bundy about federal land-use practices before quickly denouncing him after his comments about blacks went viral. Between Paul’s voter ID skepticism, his outreach to black leaders, and his criticism of racial bias in drug law enforcement and sentencing, he’s trying to vaccinate himself from the “racism” attacks that are assuredly coming, at least to the extent that reporters are forced to mention all of Paul’s conciliatory measures towards minority voters when relaying Democratic talking points on him.

How does this play in the primaries, though? Voter ID is of a piece with immigration reform, I think, in that righties see both issues as very basic rule-of-law stuff. (Whereas lefties, naturally, see them as proxies for racism.) If you can enhance the integrity of elections by imposing a simple ID requirement, you do it; if you can reduce the risk of illegal immigration in the future, even as a condition to a mass amnesty right now, you do it. If Paul’s conceding on one of those issues because he’s eager to impress a core Democratic constituency from whom he’s unlikely to win many extra votes, it opens him up to speculation that he might concede on other important issues once in office. That is to say, in the name of vaccinating himself in the general election, he might be giving himself a bug in the primaries. And there is, of course, a potential rival who’ll be only too happy to make him pay for it: Not only has Ted Cruz praised GOP candidates for defending voter ID, he tried to attach a voter ID measure of his own to the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill last year. Cruz could use this as a proxy issue to convince conservatives that, when push comes to shove, Paul simply can’t be trusted to stand on principle. He has too many liabilities and he’s a bit too eager sometimes to try to atone for those liabilities. (Interestingly, if Paul’s recent flirtation with hawkishness towards Russia continues, some of his libertarian fans may agree.) But that raises a problem of its own:

Right. One of the reasons Perry got nuked in 2012 was his “you don’t have a heart” comment on in-state tuition for illegals. He got pounded for it in the primaries, including by Mitt “Self-deportation” Romney, and then Democrats turned around and pounded Romney on immigration. You might see the same thing on voter ID. Rand calls for a stand-down, Cruz or Rubio or Jeb or whoever tears him apart over it en route to the nomination, and then in the general election Democrats tear that guy apart for tearing Rand apart. They’ll be desperate in 2016 to maintain the high level of black turnout that Obama saw in 2008 and 2012. A GOP civil war on voter ID could be just what they need.


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I learn something new today. AIDS comes in flavors. Butt sex and non butt sex. Who knew.
coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Gay men??

ToddPA on May 9, 2014 at 5:17 PM

WTF is butt-sex AIDS. lol Is it different from the not butt sex aids? lol

I learn something new today. AIDS comes in flavors. Butt sex and non butt sex. Who knew.

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Butt-sex AIDS happens when the anus is used for sexual purposes, for some strange reason.

I apologize for using science, because libtards tends to be anti-science.

sentinelrules on May 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Imagine the heart attach when her parents finally sit her down to tell it’s how she was conceived.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Where is your trigger warning for massive stupidity?

Hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud uncovered in North Carolina

NotCoach on May 9, 2014 at 5:15 PM

That’s why urban doofus said there’s no systemic voter fraud. You can cite all the many many examples in hundreds of counties across the country with voter fraud and he’ll dismiss it because it’s not “systemic”.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

I am unsure why any group would be offended by the GOP accusing them of stealing elections — despite a complete lack of evidence of any systematic fraud — and then going out of their way to make it harder for them to vote. Rand’s just overreacting.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Don’t you have any confidence in your beliefs, UE?

Clearly, you think that Democrats have better ideas than Republicans, are better at governing, etc. So why do you need to cheat?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

*Trigger warning: “none” is usually spelled with an “e”

Axe on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Where is your trigger warning for massive stupidity?

Hundreds of cases of potential voter fraud uncovered in North Carolina

NotCoach on May 9, 2014 at 5:15 PM

You forgot the follow up article. The one where they actually find fraud instead of telling fox News that there’s a “possibility.”

Why do you treat black people like children?

Does your racism disgust you or are you comfortable with it?

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:15 PM

I didn’t mention race, you did. Why do you treat black people like criminals?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

lol

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 4:45 PM

lol

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 4:59 PM

lol

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Will your cruel laughter never cease?

steebo77 on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

SWOOSH!! Right over her head, steebo.

TinFin on May 9, 2014 at 5:02 PM

“clutches pearls” Why, he could have put her eye out!

katy the mean old lady on May 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Don’t you have any confidence in your beliefs, UE?

Clearly, you think that Democrats have better ideas than Republicans, are better at governing, etc. So why do you need to cheat?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

A sure sign of a sore loser — or an idiot — is full-on embrace of wild conspiracy theories despite overwhelming evidence that they are misguided.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Why do you treat black people like criminals?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Where does it say only blacks would be subjected to voter ID laws?

sentinelrules on May 9, 2014 at 5:20 PM

I am unsure why any group would be offended by the GOP accusing them of stealing elections — despite a complete lack of evidence of any systematic fraud — and then going out of their way to make it harder for them to vote. Rand’s just overreacting.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Agreed, and you should see the hoops a person has to jump through to get a gun. I mean really, I need to show an I.D. simply to purchase what is essentially a chunk of sculpted metal?

You and I, the two of us, we are going to demand action, yes we are. No ID necessary to vote or buy a gun. You bring the beer, I’ll bring the cheese and we will meet in front the senate building.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Excellent point. If an ID prevents people from exercising their right to vote then it prevents us from exercising our right to own and bear arms.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:20 PM

A sure sign of a sore loser — or an idiot — is full-on embrace of wild conspiracy theories despite overwhelming evidence that they are misguided.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM

DIEBOLD!

sentinelrules on May 9, 2014 at 5:20 PM

When do all of these pols appear in front of white church congregations to talk about the living hell of needing to show ID when voting, I mean if it’s tough for the negr0s (ht: Reid) then it’s just as tough for whitey.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Yeah, teh racism is horrible.

But what about the horrific racism of:
Airplane travel ID.
Alcohol purchase ID.
Bank account opening ID.
Job application ID.
Car driving ID.
Gun buying ID.
And of course the public library ID card requirement…

I mean we’ve got public services and constitutional rights requiring these horrific ID cards… it’s terrible and racist that you can’t do any of this without an ID card, right?

If only minorities could get an ID card… but I guess that’s not allowed for some reason.

Why is that? Who is stopping them from getting ID?

Maybe that could be something to push. Find out why they can’t possibility get any ID and ever have a job, or buy alcohol, or travel, or open a bank account and let them get ID like everyone else does.

Oh… they already can? So how is this racist?

gekkobear on May 9, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Shut down the blog.

I agree with alchemist.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:09 PM

:)

If we got down to it you and I would agree a lot more often than we don’t; I’m a pretty down-the-line conservative libertarian when it comes to most issues. On the 5% to 10% of the time when I diverge from my conservative brethren I’ll aggressively defend my positions but the overwhelming majority of the time you and I are probably in lockstep.

alchemist19 on May 9, 2014 at 5:22 PM

When a supposed politician with integrity doesn’t have the backbone to advocate for integrity in the vote itself, woe is us.

Sen. Jeff Sessions … time to form your campaign committee.

fred5678 on May 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Without borders you do not have a country..

Without the rule of law you do not have a country.

Voter ID is the base of it all.

Without a true vote, its all fraud.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM

I didn’t mention race, you did. Why do you treat black people like criminals?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Ha ha ha. You didn’t mention race? You wade in here saying there is zero evidence that “systemic” voter fraud is taking place then claim ignorance that voter ID laws oppressing the vote are ONLY talked about by the left when discussing black voters. AND the fact that this is also the case in all the stuff allahpundit mentions – including tweets form lefties and the fact Paul had been talking to black pastors who are offended by this.

But I guess you do feel shame about your racist attitudes towards blacks because you tried to dodge the implications of your own statements.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM

Whether or not it is easy or hard to get an ID is irrelevant. The fact that the intent of the law is to discourage voter participation for partisan purposes delegitimizes it.

And, if it’s all about ballot security, how come Republicans also began targeting early voting, Sunday voting and voter registration drives — all of which are broadly believed to encourage minority participation?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM

I didn’t mention race, you did. Why do you treat black people like criminals?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

So wanting all people to have ID is treating black people like criminals?

So in every instance where ID is required someone is being treated like a criminal?

When I buy a gun?

When a black woman flies on a plane and the TSA asked for her photo ID she’s being treated like a criminal?

Eric Holder is being treated like a criminal when going to work – where he has to have ID to enter the building?

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM

gekkobear on May 9, 2014 at 5:21 PM

It’s a sad day in America when someone can’t steal your checkbook and then try and buy stuff without having a stupid clerk comparing the check info to an actual ID.

Freakin’ racists, don’t they know that thieves need to eat too? And watch Idol on a new HDTV while they eat their food?

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:26 PM

It’s very insensitive of you to laugh about heart attaches. The tragic loss of a family member to a heart attach in my youth has deeply affected me. I assure you, a heart attach is no laughing matter. Shame on you.

steebo77 on May 9, 2014 at 4:55 PM

Oh let me be the first to say STFU then. lol You think you are the only one who has ever had tragedy? I bet you do.

I will take your heart attack, and raise you a heart attack, cancer, diabetes, death by earthquake having something collapse on you. should I go on?

coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 4:59 PM

Come on guys – start using trigger warnings.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:00 PM

No need to waste a trigger warning on that one, she’s beyond stupid…whenever you see the monicker, just don’t read…make it a default…

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 5:26 PM

When do all of these pols appear in front of white church congregations to talk about the living hell of needing to show ID when voting, I mean if it’s tough for the negr0s (ht: Reid) then it’s just as tough for whitey.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:20 PM

That’s just your white privilege showing.

You just think it’s easy to get state issued photo ID because you’ve got all the advantages of a white person.

Imagine for a moment you’re a liberal so you can view this issue properly: without your white privilege you’re a functional retard, with the intellect of a child. Getting ID is very hard.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Without borders you do not have a country..

Without the rule of law you do not have a country.

Voter ID is the base of it all.

Without a true vote, its all fraud.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM

I love Washington’s federal ID picture. He looks comically shocked.

Axe on May 9, 2014 at 5:28 PM

Whether or not it is easy or hard to get an ID is irrelevant. The fact that the intent of the law is to discourage voter participation for partisan purposes delegitimizes it.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Exactly, if you look at the wording on the legislation it clearly says “This ID requirement will only apply to them there negr0s.”

As plain as day for those who aren’t blind to racism.

Next thing you know some jackhole will require me to provide all sorts of personal information just to buy a hunting rifle for my boy.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:30 PM

Well Rand, I am offended that democrats cheat and my vote is meaningless. Does it offend these people when they board a plane, go to the doctor, rent a car, open a bank account, buy sudafed, etc. and they have to show a valid ID? What disappointment Rand has turned out to be. Sad!

fight like a girl on May 9, 2014 at 5:31 PM

Whether or not it is easy or hard to get an ID is irrelevant. The fact that the intent of the law is to discourage voter participation for partisan purposes delegitimizes it.

And, if it’s all about ballot security, how come Republicans also began targeting early voting, Sunday voting and voter registration drives — all of which are broadly believed to encourage minority participation?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Ha ha ha. There’s no evidence of “systemic” voter fraud but vote ID laws are specifically intended to keep black people from voting.

I don’t know what’s more pathetic – the thought that you believe this or that you expect us to believe it.

And we all know that “non-partisan” voter drives are hyper-partisan Democrat GOTV pushes that funnel money to lefty “community organizing” groups. Why an issue with SOME early voting? Because there’s been fraud found in this system (where there are weaknesses in verification). Same with same day voter registration.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:32 PM

I didn’t mention race, you did. Why do you treat black people like criminals?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Pretty much everywhere in Europe you need an ID to vote, you actually need an ID to exist, period…nobody there is offended by that, they’d be offended if they weren’t asked for an ID… I thought you and your friends on the left take pride in emulating Europe and want to be more like the Europeans in mostly every respect, or was I wrong? :)…

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 5:32 PM

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Three Houston County Women Accused of Felony Voter Fraud

NotCoach on May 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Mandatory health insurance, not hurting any cause.

LIB. Unless God sends a Deborah or Samson, its all over but the house to house sodomaniacs having their way.

Murphy9 on May 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM

Sham rules for sham elections.
Just what is the point then?

Another Drew on May 9, 2014 at 5:33 PM

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:27 PM

Or I could be black, Hispanic, maybe even Asian, or some sort of crossbreed, who knows.

What I do know is that the laws which would have me showing an ID simply to buy a case of beer, fermented liquid, or some smokes are racist, bigoted, arachnophobic, sexist, and dare I say homogenized.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Ha ha ha. You didn’t mention race? You wade in here saying there is zero evidence that “systemic” voter fraud is taking place then claim ignorance that voter ID laws oppressing the vote are ONLY talked about by the left when discussing black voters. AND the fact that this is also the case in all the stuff allahpundit mentions – including tweets form lefties and the fact Paul had been talking to black pastors who are offended by this.

But I guess you do feel shame about your racist attitudes towards blacks because you tried to dodge the implications of your own statements.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM

You know, whenever someone starts railing about voter fraud, it always seems to take place in the inner city, black or Hispanic precincts, or among illegal immigrants. I’m sure there’s no racial aspect to the always baseless claims, though.

And, by the way, where is that evidence of voter fraud?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Whether or not it is easy or hard to get an ID is irrelevant. The fact that the intent of the law is to discourage voter participation for partisan purposes delegitimizes it.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Exactly, if you look at the wording on the legislation it clearly says “This ID requirement will only apply to them there negr0s.”

As plain as day for those who aren’t blind to racism.

Next thing you know some jackhole will require me to provide all sorts of personal information just to buy a hunting rifle for my boy.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:30 PM

I’m also curious how these voter ID laws target blacks but not whites.

Also note that urban elitist also admits that these measures don’t actually suppress voters.

In fact Georgia which has had these laws for years has seen an INCREASE in the black voter turn out. Us white folks will have to figure out a better way of suppressing the white vote – apparently when the lefties told us they couldn’t figure out how to get ID they were wrong.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:35 PM

And of course the public library ID card requirement…

If only minorities could get an ID card… but I guess that’s not allowed for some reason.

Why is that? Who is stopping them from getting ID?

gekkobear on May 9, 2014 at 5:21 PM

ID for a library card? We don’t need no stinkin’ ID for a library card! Even illegal aliens can get a library card in San Francisco. And the card also gave golf privileges at municipal courses!!

And city taxpayers paid $86,000 for a billboard to advertise this new card to everyone.

fred5678 on May 9, 2014 at 5:35 PM

Whether or not it is easy or hard to get an ID is irrelevant. The fact that the intent of the law is to discourage voter participation for partisan purposes delegitimizes it.

And, if it’s all about ballot security, how come Republicans also began targeting early voting, Sunday voting and voter registration drives — all of which are broadly believed to encourage minority participation?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM

You’re right, I want to stop stupid people from voting. May you never figure the super complicated registration process.

NotCoach on May 9, 2014 at 5:35 PM

I was a very early endorser of Rand. But if he turns against voter ID, I will turn against him.

WannabeAnglican on May 9, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Same here. Some things I will gladly compromise on, only having living and breathing citizens of this country be able to vote and only once is not one of them.

Wilmsch on May 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM

I learn something new today. AIDS comes in flavors. Butt sex and non butt sex. Who knew.
coolrepublica on May 9, 2014 at 5:11 PM

Here is an example of why the Hot Air comment section is the worst in all of conservative media.

Bleed_thelizard on May 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM

(Whereas lefties, naturally, see them as proxies for racism.)

Lefties see everything as a proxy for racism, they are obsessed with racism, they suffer from a major case of projection.

Another Drew on May 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Someones offense levels are irrelevant to the facts and the rule of law.

Enforce the law, true the vote and secure the voting booths for legal voters ONLY.

TX-96 on May 9, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Lefties see everything as a proxy for racism, they are obsessed with racism, they suffer from a major case of projection.

Another Drew on May 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM

It’s just their demagoguery.

the_nile on May 9, 2014 at 5:38 PM

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

How do black people or any other aggrieved minority folks buy alcohool in this country? Just curious…

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 5:38 PM

I was a very early endorser of Rand. But if he turns against voter ID, I will turn against him.

WannabeAnglican on May 9, 2014 at 4:44 PM

Same here. Some things I will gladly compromise on, only having living and breathing citizens of this country be able to vote and only once is not one of them.

Wilmsch on May 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Addendum: I would go as far as saying that people who pay net taxes should be allowed to vote, so the dependocrat class can’t vote themselves more of our money.

Wilmsch on May 9, 2014 at 5:39 PM

And, by the way, where is that evidence of voter fraud?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Voter Fraud: We’ve Got Proof It’s Easy

NotCoach on May 9, 2014 at 5:40 PM

You know, whenever someone starts railing about voter fraud, it always seems to take place in the inner city, black or Hispanic precincts, or among illegal immigrants. I’m sure there’s no racial aspect to the always baseless claims, though.

And, by the way, where is that evidence of voter fraud?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

You have proof that there is voter fraud in rural communities ?

burrata on May 9, 2014 at 5:40 PM

I’m sure there’s no racial aspect to the always baseless claims, though.

And, by the way, where is that evidence of voter fraud?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

It’s as if you WANT everyone to think you’re a clown:

Former Milwaukee ACORN employee Kevin L. Clancy (pictured above) was convicted of election fraud a few days ago. Clancy’s conviction brings the total number of convictions for former ACORN workers to at least fifteen so far in 2010.

Clancy entered a guilty plea to playing a part “in a scheme to submit fraudulent voter registration applications,” said Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen. Clancy acknowledged submitting multiple voter registration applications for the same persons and registering himself and other voter registration canvassers to vote repeatedly while employed at ACORN during the 2008 election cycle.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:41 PM

A sure sign of a sore loser — or an idiot — is full-on embrace of wild conspiracy theories despite overwhelming evidence that they are misguided.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Yeah, because small-scale voter fruad is a “wild conspiracy theory.” It has never happened, it’s never been decoumented, and its existence would require such a tremendous cabal of evil conspirators as to be a logistical impossibility. Yup, you’re the logical one UE. In fact, why require any oversight of voting? Since fraud is a “wild conspiracy theory,” we should just run it on the honor system. If someone says this is their first vote, we should believe them.

Isn’t it amazing how conservatives focus on small-scale voter fraud that is much more likely/much easier to achieve (yet can still be consequential in close elections), yet liberals latch onto things like votes being changed on Diebold machines by the VRWC? I guess they’re just all idiots and sore losers.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM

For all of you who don’t know the difference between a conservative and a libertarian, Rand Paul is teaching a valuable lesson. On most issues, libertarians are liberals. Only on some economic and privacy issues are they conservative.

fight like a girl on May 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM

How do black people or any other aggrieved minority folks buy alcohool in this country? Just curious…

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 5:38 PM

Not only that but people are buying booze far more often than voting which only comes around every few years. Every time a dude wants to get a bottle he needs to pull out the effin card? Really?

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 5:43 PM

You know, whenever someone starts railing about voter fraud, it always seems to take place in the inner city, black or Hispanic precincts, or among illegal immigrants. I’m sure there’s no racial aspect to the always baseless claims, though.

And, by the way, where is that evidence of voter fraud?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

That’s a pretty lame dodge.

So all the accusations of voter fraud in Minnesota were targeting minority communities? All the ballots found in the trunk of someone’s car? All the votes from felons/prisoners? That’s specifically referring to minorities?

Where is the evidence of voter frauds? NotCoach is schooling you. Go google it – there are lots of instances of it.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:45 PM

Here is an example of why the Hot Air comment section is the worst in all of conservative media.

Bleed_thelizard on May 9, 2014 at 5:36 PM

Here, have a hanky.

katy the mean old lady on May 9, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Why do you treat black people like children?

Does your racism disgust you or are you comfortable with it?
 
gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:15 PM

 
I didn’t mention race, you did. Why do you treat black people like criminals?
 
urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

 

And, if it’s all about ballot security, how come Republicans also began targeting early voting, Sunday voting and voter registration drives — all of which are broadly believed to encourage minority participation?
 
urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:25 PM

 
Can anyone beat ten minutes, or is it safe to call it already?

rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 5:47 PM

It’s a good thing voter-ID laws are horribly unpopular, so they’ll never take hold and poison us with their risible, endemic racism.

Oh, and by that I mean that 78% of Americans are in favor of them. Keep tilting at those windmills, Don Quixote UE!

Good Solid B-Plus on May 9, 2014 at 5:47 PM

You know, whenever someone starts railing about voter fraud, it always seems to take place in the inner city, black or Hispanic precincts, or among illegal immigrants. I’m sure there’s no racial aspect to the always baseless claims, though.

And, by the way, where is that evidence of voter fraud?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:34 PM

Yeah, like when conservatives say “I think there may have been voter fraud in Al Franken’s Minnesota Senate election,” that’s a dog whistle for “I hate and distrust brown people.”

I mean, weather aside, Minneapolis is basically identical to Brazzaville.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 9, 2014 at 5:49 PM

I’m over you!

You’re pandering is offensive.

Jayrae on May 9, 2014 at 5:50 PM

How do black people or any other aggrieved minority folks buy alcohool in this country? Just curious…

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 5:38 PM

I personally haven’t been carded in a liquor store in decades. But, again, irrelevant.

I’m also curious how these voter ID laws target blacks but not whites.

Also note that urban elitist also admits that these measures don’t actually suppress voters.

In fact Georgia which has had these laws for years has seen an INCREASE in the black voter turn out. Us white folks will have to figure out a better way of suppressing the white vote – apparently when the lefties told us they couldn’t figure out how to get ID they were wrong.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:35 PM

There is such a thing as “disparate impact,” you know. These laws are passed with the idea that it will diminish Democratic turnout — hence the overwhelming Republican support; the addition of provisions to restrict early and Sunday voting, efforts to suppress the youth vote (no pre-registration, gun licenses accepted but not college IDs); and the occasional “did I say that out loud?” moments of locally prominent politicians.

It is funny to see the efforts of the Confederate rear guard backfire in places like Georgia, due to a black candidate at the head of the ticket and a general and laudable rebellion against obvious efforts to discourage black voting. It doesn’t the intent, though, which is clearly to discourage a (disproportionately poor, young and minority Democratic base from turning out.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Daddy must have told Rand that anything is justified if it gets you elected.

Sometimes it’s really hard to figure out what Rand is for.

katiejane on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Meeting with black pastors and breaking with the party orthodoxy on voter ID is less important to Rand in building his base for the general election than it is in preemptively defusing the “Paul’s a racist” attacks that will begin the instant he emerges as a serious threat for the nomination.

OR maybe he just thinks the GOP should be emphasizing how their policies can help black Americans. The voter ID over-emphasis is playing right into the dems hands.

shubalstearns on May 9, 2014 at 5:52 PM

As with any politician trying to position themselves into the most popular populist position possible, rand is becoming more of a jerk by the day, and losing more support every time he tries to gain using this failed political theory.

Diluculo on May 9, 2014 at 5:53 PM

Wow, what a bummer. A year ago I was open minded to voting for Paul.

What happened to him?

This is pathetic. What is wrong with politicians in the republican party. Every one is out to humiliate, alienate, and destroy conservatives.

Ugh

Franklin100 on May 9, 2014 at 5:54 PM

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

You’re a hoot.

There’s no systemic voter fraud and you can’t prove it!1!!!!1!!1eleventy!!!!!

But there is a vast rightwing conspiracy to suppress the black vote!!!1!!!1!!eleventy1!!1!!11

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:54 PM

It is funny to see the efforts of the Confederate rear guard backfire in places like Georgia, due to a black candidate at the head of the ticket and a general and laudable rebellion against obvious efforts to discourage black voting. It doesn’t the intent, though, which is clearly to discourage a (disproportionately poor, young and minority Democratic base from turning out.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Ah, that’s where my bad faith went! I thought I misplaced it, but it simply was transferred to UE’s pathetic argument.

Of course, 72% of Democrats said that Voter ID was a “good thing” only a year ago, but it can’t be that both sides have an interest in fair and honest elections. Nope, there’s only one explanation: The GOP hates brown people and doesn’t want them to vote. That’s not UE’s opinion, that’s ****ing science.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 9, 2014 at 5:56 PM

There is such a thing as “disparate impact,” you know. These laws are passed with the idea that it will diminish Democratic turnout — hence the overwhelming Republican support; the addition of provisions to restrict early and Sunday voting, efforts to suppress the youth vote (no pre-registration, gun licenses accepted but not college IDs); and the occasional “did I say that out loud?” moments of locally prominent politicians.

It is funny to see the efforts of the Confederate rear guard backfire in places like Georgia, due to a black candidate at the head of the ticket and a general and laudable rebellion against obvious efforts to discourage black voting. It doesn’t the intent, though, which is clearly to discourage a (disproportionately poor, young and minority Democratic base from turning out.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Huh, I wonder why a gun license would be accepted but not a college ID.

I’ll have to think about that for a while before I can come up with the answer. I just can’t quite put my finger on it….

(And thanks for beclowning yourself and your argument by showing how lame all the lefty thinking is on this – the laughable ways in which the vote is supposedly being suppressed).

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Ah, that’s where my bad faith went! I thought I misplaced it, but it simply was transferred to UE’s pathetic argument.

Of course, 72% of Democrats said that Voter ID was a “good thing” only a year ago, but it can’t be that both sides have an interest in fair and honest elections. Nope, there’s only one explanation: The GOP hates brown people and doesn’t want them to vote. That’s not UE’s opinion, that’s ****ing science.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 9, 2014 at 5:56 PM

Hey, UE only deals in hard facts. He’s said that voter ID is broadly considered as a means of suppressing the minority vote so that must mean 72% of Democrats are vile racists.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:58 PM

It doesn’t the intent, though, which is clearly to discourage a (disproportionately poor, young and minority Democratic base from turning out.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

How tight is your tinfoil hat?

jimver on May 9, 2014 at 5:59 PM

You’re a hoot.

There’s no systemic voter fraud and you can’t prove it!1!!!!1!!1eleventy!!!!!

But there is a vast rightwing conspiracy to suppress the black vote!!!1!!!1!!eleventy1!!1!!11

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:54 PM

The more you talk, the less evidence of fraud you produce. And, while we clearly disagree on interpretation, I can point to partisan majorities voting in strictly partisan fashion to make it more difficult to vote in the name of ending fraud that neither you nor they can show exists.

Huh, I wonder why a gun license would be accepted but not a college ID.

because gun owners vote Republican and College students vote Democrat. Obvs.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 6:00 PM

IDs are needed to vote in every land on Earth, from Angola to Zimbabwe, even in HA-Jeantel’s Cuba.

Funny how all the racists always gather on the HA threads on idiocy but are never present when their party is ridiculed into the core.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:02 PM

because gun owners vote Republican and College students vote Democrat. Obvs.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Seriously, trigger warnings. The stupid makes my eyes bleed.

NotCoach on May 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM

It doesn’t the intent, though, which is clearly to discourage a (disproportionately poor, young and minority Democratic base from turning out.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Wow, so you assume that they are all stupid?

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM

because gun owners vote Republican and College students vote Democrat. Obvs.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Yeah that’s it.

The more you talk, the less evidence of fraud you produce. And, while we clearly disagree on interpretation, I can point to partisan majorities voting in strictly partisan fashion to make it more difficult to vote in the name of ending fraud that neither you nor they can show exists.
urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Oh, so you can refute the multiple examples of voter fraud brought up in this thread?

Or is this where you jump to “hey man, I said systemic voter fraud, sure there’s localized voter fraud going on…”.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM

There’s always Liberia.

Murphy9 on May 9, 2014 at 6:04 PM

It is funny to see the efforts of the Confederate rear guard backfire in places like Georgia, due to a black candidate at the head of the ticket and a general and laudable rebellion against obvious efforts to discourage black voting. It doesn’t the intent, though, which is clearly to discourage a (disproportionately poor, young and minority Democratic base from turning out.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Jeebus, I know, these Confederates are just trash, aren’t they? Get a load of this dude, he’s right out “Mississippi Burning”:

In response to multiple voter fraud complaints from his own constituents in Providence, Sen. Harold Metts, a black Democrat, led the charge in favor of a new photo voter identification law that is now operative in the Ocean State *Rhode Island*

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 6:04 PM

Next time obama visits, try to get in, without showing IDs, racists.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:04 PM

It doesn’t the intent, though, which is clearly to discourage a (disproportionately poor, young and minority Democratic base from turning out.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:51 PM

Wow. You really think that low of poor people, young people, minorities, and Democrat voters in general that you think they can’t be held to the same standards as rich people, older people, majorities, and Republican voters in general?

Wilmsch on May 9, 2014 at 6:05 PM

Has anyone gone to Disneyland, lately? How did you get in, if you are a minority? Were you waved in, just ’cause?

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:05 PM

[Sigh.] Why is it that Democrats and liberals never “evolve” to become more conservative?

It’s because in morals, as in the physical universe, the Second Law of Thermodynamics only runs one way.

Rand, what you don’t get is that ANYONE who stands up for standards and the rule of law is going to be criticized as “harsh.” Stand you ground, make a case, and come to term with the fact that when you stand for principle, some people will vigorously oppose you.

Whitewolf7070 on May 9, 2014 at 6:06 PM

Have any of the minority college students gotten in without IDs?

I’m very curious about the answer. Please enlighten.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:07 PM

If you can’t answer in the “negative”, then shut up and vote, unless you are illegal or dead, or a dog.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:07 PM

Sen. Harold Metts, a black Democrat

Just another tool of the White Man, most likely.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Rather in the “positive”, then shut up and vote.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Apparently democrats do not go to the doctor or to the hospital because valid ID is required. Try going to college without a valid ID. Try opening a bank account without a valid ID. The list goes on and on. Democrats would have us believe when it is time to vote, no one has an ID. What rubbish.

birdwatcher on May 9, 2014 at 6:08 PM

It probably cost Romney Pennsylvania.

rockmom

Yeah, that’s what did it, lol.

Jesus Christ, the stupid is running rampant amongst republicans.

The voter ID over-emphasis is playing right into the dems hands.

shubalstearns

Surrendering on every issue out of fear of what dems might say is what’s playing right into the dems hands. Rand is so pathetic, he’s not even willing to stand up for an idea that even a majority of blacks support.

I’m just glad he can’t stop revealing himself as the fool he is BEFORE getting the nomination instead of after. It means we won’t have to worry about him getting nominated or winning the White House. So, for that I say thank you, Rand. Keep up the good work.

xblade on May 9, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Just another tool of the White Man, most likely.

Bishop on May 9, 2014 at 6:08 PM

Uncle Metts

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:09 PM

This is great. urban elitist is surely in support of lessening the checks in place to owning and purchasing a firearm. He wouldn’t want to keep them out of the hands of minorities, students and the poor would he? That’s preventing them from exercising their Constitutional rights.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 6:09 PM

For all of you who don’t know the difference between a conservative and a libertarian, Rand Paul is teaching a valuable lesson. On most issues, libertarians are liberals. Only on some economic and privacy issues are they conservative.

fight like a girl on May 9, 2014 at 5:42 PM

Yep. Rand has been steadily declining in my estimation. He is basically another Romney. Not interested in conservative votes but instead trying to attract the moderate republican, libertarian and fiscal-minded democrat votes. I stopped looking seriously at him a while ago.

KickandSwimMom on May 9, 2014 at 6:09 PM

It is the ultimate form of racism to treat minorities any different than non-minorities, no matter what color.

Regurgitate this for a time.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Depending on the honesty and scruples of Democrats is a sure way to realize disappointment.

oldennis on May 9, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Rand Paul will make a fine Surgeon General, one with a brain and experience, not the kind of obama-idiot-donors of today.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:11 PM

because gun owners vote Republican and College students vote Democrat. Obvs.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Translation :
Resposible taxpayers vote Republican
and
Clueless dimwitted parasites vote Democrat.
amirite ?

burrata on May 9, 2014 at 6:11 PM

The more you talk, the less evidence of fraud you produce. And, while we clearly disagree on interpretation, I can point to partisan majorities voting in strictly partisan fashion to make it more difficult to vote in the name of ending fraud that neither you nor they can show exists.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 6:00 PM

Except that both parties when surveyed broadly support Voter ID laws, so it isn’t a “strictly partisan fashuon.”

Evidence of voter fraud? Okay:

Here’s one from the Carnegie-Knight Initiative on the Future of Journalism Education, not exactly a conservative bastion. These are cases of stone-cold fraud, not “suspected,” not “likely,” but documented and in some cases prosecuted fraud. There’s quite a few of them.

Here’s True the Vote which also includes suspected cases of fraud and registration oddities.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 9, 2014 at 6:12 PM

It is the ultimate form of racism to treat minorities any different than non-minorities, no matter what color.

Regurgitate this for a time.

Schadenfreude on May 9, 2014 at 6:10 PM

Shad your white privilege is showing.

If you were a liberal you’d know that your white privilege empowers you in ways you aren’t even conscious of. Like getting ID. This may seem like a simple task to you but to black people – who don’t have your white privilege – it’s difficult.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 6:13 PM

Oh, so you can refute the multiple examples of voter fraud brought up in this thread?

Or is this where you jump to “hey man, I said systemic voter fraud, sure there’s localized voter fraud going on…”.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 6:03 PM

Perhaps I missed it. All I recall is that useless North Carolina thing you linked to.

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 6:14 PM

I am unsure why any group would be offended by the GOP accusing them of stealing elections — despite a complete lack of evidence of any systematic fraud — and then going out of their way to make it harder for them to vote. Rand’s just overreacting.

urban effetist on May 9, 2014 at 5:12 PM

LOL, Bill Clinton taught you well on the selective parsing of words in order to say absolutely nothing.

A+

But your entire premise is fatally flawed, because:

1. It totally ignores all of the documented evidence of Democrat Voter and Vote Fraud, going all the way back to JFK stealing the 1960 election in Illinois and Texas.

2. It totally ignores all of the cases of Democrat election fraud that do not require what you quaintly describe as “systematic fraud”. After all, your Democrats managed to steal a Senate election for Al Franken, and the final difference in votes was relatively tiny (just over 300 votes out of the 1.2+ million votes Franken got.)

You do the math on what percent of 1.2 million that 312 votes is. Hint: it’s infinitesimal. But it was enough to steal that election.

Same with the 2000 Presidential election recount in Florida; if your Democrats had been able to manufacture just 538 votes more, than your man Algore would have been the one who inherited the 9/11 attacks from his boss.

Thanks for playing!

F-

Del Dolemonte on May 9, 2014 at 6:14 PM

Why do you treat black people like criminals?

urban elitist on May 9, 2014 at 5:18 PM

Why do you treat them like incompetents?

PersonFromPorlock on May 9, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Go home Rand Paul . Rand Paul is a Liberal Republican and occassional libertarian . We know he’s also for amnesty too .

Give Sarah Palin 2016 . Rand Paul is still an unprincipled Ron Paul when the mask comes off

Unaffiliated4P on May 9, 2014 at 6:17 PM

Rand “the panderer.” I am beginning to believe this guy has no more core values than Nancy Pelosi or Harry Greed.

It isn’t racist to ask for a photo ID when people board a plane, apply for a post office box or a bank account, apply for welfare, buy tobacco or alcohol, attend a Barack Obama rally or an NAACP rally opposing voter ID. It’s only racist to ask for a voter ID to prevent fraud.

bw222 on May 9, 2014 at 6:18 PM

Imagine for a moment you’re a liberal so you can view this issue properly: without your white privilege you’re a functional retard, with the intellect of a child. Getting ID is very hard.

gwelf on May 9, 2014 at 5:27 PM

And for some reason non-whites are incapable of obtaining ID.

Can someone explain what exactly it is that non-whites have or don’t have that causes this affliction?

Do liberals believe that it is beyond their abilities?

kim roy on May 9, 2014 at 6:19 PM

Hey, Rand, the only people who don’t like it are those who are engaged in voter fraud. Clean up your act. Stop going along with the establishment or a huge number of people won’t vote for you for dog catcher.

crankyoldlady on May 9, 2014 at 6:19 PM

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