Rand Paul to GOP: Our voter ID push is “offending people”

posted at 4:41 pm on May 9, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’ve been waiting three hours since I saw this tweet for the NYT to publish a transcript or story about what he said, but no dice as I’m writing this. If it happens tonight, I’ll update with a link. The quote’s almost certainly not out of context, though: Remember, Paul told David Axelrod a few weeks ago that he thinks the GOP might be overemphasizing the issue. What’s newsy about this is the tone. Sounds like he’s gone from “maybe this isn’t a great idea” to “let’s drop it, quickly.”

An interesting reply from lefty Benjy Sarlin:

And Paul’s evolution, needless to say, is no accident:

Meeting with black pastors and breaking with the party orthodoxy on voter ID is less important to Rand in building his base for the general election than it is in preemptively defusing the “Paul’s a racist” attacks that will begin the instant he emerges as a serious threat for the nomination. The left (and maybe not just the left) is going to kitchen-sink him on that — his old comments on the Civil Rights Act, his father’s newsletters, having the “Southern Avenger” on staff, even agreeing with Cliven Bundy about federal land-use practices before quickly denouncing him after his comments about blacks went viral. Between Paul’s voter ID skepticism, his outreach to black leaders, and his criticism of racial bias in drug law enforcement and sentencing, he’s trying to vaccinate himself from the “racism” attacks that are assuredly coming, at least to the extent that reporters are forced to mention all of Paul’s conciliatory measures towards minority voters when relaying Democratic talking points on him.

How does this play in the primaries, though? Voter ID is of a piece with immigration reform, I think, in that righties see both issues as very basic rule-of-law stuff. (Whereas lefties, naturally, see them as proxies for racism.) If you can enhance the integrity of elections by imposing a simple ID requirement, you do it; if you can reduce the risk of illegal immigration in the future, even as a condition to a mass amnesty right now, you do it. If Paul’s conceding on one of those issues because he’s eager to impress a core Democratic constituency from whom he’s unlikely to win many extra votes, it opens him up to speculation that he might concede on other important issues once in office. That is to say, in the name of vaccinating himself in the general election, he might be giving himself a bug in the primaries. And there is, of course, a potential rival who’ll be only too happy to make him pay for it: Not only has Ted Cruz praised GOP candidates for defending voter ID, he tried to attach a voter ID measure of his own to the Gang of Eight’s immigration bill last year. Cruz could use this as a proxy issue to convince conservatives that, when push comes to shove, Paul simply can’t be trusted to stand on principle. He has too many liabilities and he’s a bit too eager sometimes to try to atone for those liabilities. (Interestingly, if Paul’s recent flirtation with hawkishness towards Russia continues, some of his libertarian fans may agree.) But that raises a problem of its own:

Right. One of the reasons Perry got nuked in 2012 was his “you don’t have a heart” comment on in-state tuition for illegals. He got pounded for it in the primaries, including by Mitt “Self-deportation” Romney, and then Democrats turned around and pounded Romney on immigration. You might see the same thing on voter ID. Rand calls for a stand-down, Cruz or Rubio or Jeb or whoever tears him apart over it en route to the nomination, and then in the general election Democrats tear that guy apart for tearing Rand apart. They’ll be desperate in 2016 to maintain the high level of black turnout that Obama saw in 2008 and 2012. A GOP civil war on voter ID could be just what they need.


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Meow. Does it offend you?

Bmore on May 10, 2014 at 6:13 PM

I’m offended that you were the first to comment on this page.

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM

You should be. Meow is. ; )

Bmore on May 10, 2014 at 6:20 PM

A voter ID system to prevent fraud should appeal to both sides of the isle. No one wants to be cheated. Right? So who on earth could possible find offense with it?

Bmore on May 10, 2014 at 6:12 PM

Er, the political Party that cannot win on its ideas alone? Said Party needs dishonest elections in order to win close races.

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2014 at 6:20 PM

The pastors are being paid to oppose voter ID laws and to pretend as if their flock do also.

baldilocks on May 10, 2014 at 6:21 PM

John Conyers is offended:

Longtime Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.) didn’t submit enough valid signatures to qualify for the ballot this year, Wayne County, Michigan, officials said in a report released on Friday.
Conyers, who has represented Detroit in the House for 49 years, came up more than 400 signatures shy of qualifying for the ballot because his signature-gatherers were not registered voters, according to the Detroit News.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/john-conyers-ballot-michigan-106537.html#ixzz31M0bykBj

kcewa on May 10, 2014 at 6:22 PM

600 comments. yeah!

coolrepublica on May 10, 2014 at 6:25 PM

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2014 at 6:20 PM

Some of the truest words spoken in the last three pages or so of this thread. Thanks Del.

Bmore on May 10, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Rand Paul is offending ME. Does that matter?

The left has to ask a question before giving the answer;

Q: Are you black?
A: No, I’m not.
Q: Then what you think and say doesn’t matter. Go away, you racist.

Diluculo on May 10, 2014 at 6:30 PM

600 comments. yeah!
 
coolrepublica on May 10, 2014 at 6:25 PM

 
We missed you on the
 

Known as the health insurance tax or HIT, this is a new discriminatory tax on small businesses and their employees that will raise the premiums by as much as $500 per policy per year.

 
thread.

rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 6:32 PM

It blows my mind that we let the Left trash this issue. Either you are legal to vote or you are not. Opposing voter ID means one simple thing — you are in favor of illegal voting. This “my favorite minority member can’t get an ID” crap is… crap.

Rand Paul has forever lost my support over this bellwether issue.

Humphrey on May 10, 2014 at 6:55 PM

Er, the political Party that cannot win on its ideas alone? Said Party needs dishonest elections in order to win close races.

Del Dolemonte on May 10, 2014 at 6:20 PM
Some of the truest words spoken in the last three pages or so of this thread. Thanks Del.

Bmore on May 10, 2014 at 6:27 PM

Heard just a few days ago on some station that this is what Putin is using to win “Ukranian” votes to rejoin Russia.

Original, huh? /sarc

All commies stick together.

avagreen on May 10, 2014 at 6:57 PM

That people thinkDemocrats claim African Americans are too stupid or lazy to obtain a free ID. Their racism is offensive to me.

crrr6 S.D. on May 9, 2014 at 4:51 6:54 PM

Custom performance job, courtesy of…

S. D. on May 10, 2014 at 7:01 PM

It should be. From what I’ve read so far, voter ID is nothing but a race issue.

Netclimber on May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM

I actually don’t mind people asking for id before voting, but republicans have made it into a race issue and they seem oblivious to that fact.

coolrepublica on May 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Only because you’re a f*cking idiot. Republicans *never* have cast this in a racial context – *your* shitwitted party is the one who can *only* cast it in racial terms.

Go straight to f*cking hell, you piece of shit.

Midas on May 10, 2014 at 7:16 PM

In all seriousness, what sort of voter fraud numbers are we talking about?

Something extremely low like 100,000 nationwide?

rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

More like ten or so. In the last fifteen years.

righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Bottom line no matter who our candidate is he/she will be branded as a racist,anti gay,anti black,anti hispanic anti woman, anti any voter group the left has.
ITs now time to stand on or own two feet and simply tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.
This is the sign of a true leader.
Finger in the wind got us where we are and it isn’t a pretty place.

rodguy911 on May 10, 2014 at 7:30 PM

If you are a black guy, hispanic or woman and look around 17 or 18 years old and try and buy ad can of beer you can bed dam sure they will check your id at the 7-11. When that stops we can stop checking ids at the voting booth not until.
Dam this is not rocket science.

rodguy911 on May 10, 2014 at 7:34 PM

NO… Senator Paul. It is the people you are now allowing to bend your ear and you accepting as influence that is “offending people”.

Willys on May 10, 2014 at 7:40 PM

More like ten or so. In the last fifteen years.

righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 7:23 PM

Zero.

There has never been any voter fraud.

Ever.

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Man, you are freakin’hilarious!

S. D. on May 10, 2014 at 8:09 PM

The pastors are being paid to oppose voter ID laws and to pretend as if their flock do also.

baldilocks on May 10, 2014 at 6:21 PM

Thoroughly enjoy your comments. Wish you were here
more…..

ToddPA on May 10, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 7:55 PM

What about the Poll Worker in Ohio that served about five minutes of her sentence?

Cindy Munford on May 10, 2014 at 8:21 PM

I actually don’t mind people asking for id before voting, but republicans have made it into a race issue and they seem oblivious to that fact.

coolrepublica on May 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

“Against (your) Stupidity, the Gods themselves
contend in Vain”

ToddPA on May 10, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Offending a mexican drug lord is never a bad thing.

sorrowen on May 10, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Another one bites the dust .
Not too shocked as he’s been leaning left
for a few weeks now .
What do you think they have on him ?
Don’t get the strategy Rand .

Lucano on May 10, 2014 at 8:39 PM

What about the Poll Worker in Ohio that served about five minutes of her sentence?

Cindy Munford on May 10, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Pigment of your imagination.

All those stories were planted by the evil Republicans.

Voter fraud has never happened.

Never will happen.

Ever.

It’s not possible.

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 8:54 PM

In all seriousness, what sort of voter fraud numbers are we talking about?
 
Something extremely low like 100,000 nationwide?
 
rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

 
More like ten or so. In the last fifteen years.
 
righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 7:23 PM

 
Glad to see you’re okay, righty45. You’re citing the NAACP’s “proven” “in person voter fraud” number, correct?
 

That number the organization used is very specific for a 12-year period. The NAACP figure deals only with “in-person voter fraud.” And only with cases that have been “proven.” This type of voter fraud, experts say, is extremely rare.
 
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2012/sep/19/naacp/-person-voter-fraud-very-rare-phenomenon/

 
So does anyone have any actual numbers on voter fraud?

rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Illegal aliens alone:

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens.

Consider that a valid sample and extrapolate to the roughly 100m voters in a general election and you get around 3 million illegal alien voters.

slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM

So does anyone have any actual numbers on voter fraud?

rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

WHAT DON’T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND?

IT NEVER HAPPENS!

GET IT!

NEVER!

THERE IS NO WAY THAT VOTER FRAUD COULD EVER EXIST!

EEEEEVVVVEEEERRRR!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Illegal aliens alone:

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens.

Consider that a valid sample and extrapolate to the roughly 100m voters in a general election and you get around 3 million illegal alien voters.

slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM

Obviously a ploy by Republicans.

In fact, Republican’s probably planted the numbers.

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Illegal aliens alone:
 
In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens.
 
Consider that a valid sample and extrapolate to the roughly 100m voters in a general election and you get around 3 million illegal alien voters.
 
slickwillie2001 on May 10, 2014 at 9:30 PM

 
But the NAACP said the person has to be caught and charged for it to actually be illegal.
 
10 times in the last 15 years, racist.

rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM

Glad to see you’re okay, righty45. You’re citing the NAACP’s “proven” “in person voter fraud” number, correct?

I’m fine, thanks. Are you ok? Looks like you’ve been talking to yourself quite a bit in that old thread.

Anyway, according to the link you cited, that number comes from:

a nationwide analysis of 2,068 cases alleging election fraud that were reviewed by News21, a Carnegie-Knight investigative reporting project staffed by college journalism students.

It also rates the claim as mostly true. Thanks, hadn’t seen that article before. Very helpful.

That number the organization used is very specific for a 12-year period. The NAACP figure deals only with “in-person voter fraud.” And only with cases that have been “proven.” This type of voter fraud, experts say, is extremely rare.

Yes, exactly. Extremely rare. Thanks again for the link.

righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM

But the NAACP said the person has to be caught and charged for it to actually be illegal.

10 times in the last 15 years, racist.

rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:40 PM

That’s the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People to you.

And don’t you forget it.

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Yes, exactly. Extremely rare. Thanks again for the link.

righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM

By extremely rare, you mean never?

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 9:46 PM

This type of voter fraud, experts say, is extremely rare.

 
Yes, exactly. Extremely rare. Thanks again for the link.
 
righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM

 
You should read more closely.
 
You’re a lawyer, right?

rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:48 PM

I’m fine, thanks. Are you ok? Looks like you’ve been talking to yourself quite a bit in that old thread.
 
righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM

 
Yep, no one else was reading and forming opinions.
 
Thanks for helping us get the actual Obamacare numbers, btw. Did you see the margin of error from the White House, btw?
 
Potentially only 2 million newly-covered (including Medicaid) as a result of Obamacare.
 
Have a good night.

rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:53 PM

You should read more closely.

Why’s that? Be specific please.

You’re a lawyer, right?

rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Yep.

righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 10:13 PM

Well, he’s just living up to fringy Libertarian form. They’re open borders guys at their extreme end. Want to get pissed off at Rand Paul, get him in a candid conversation on the border. They’re also pro-aborts as they don’t see the fetus as a person (victimless crimes, they’ll bunch that in with smoking pot). The Libertarians aren’t a panacea, and while I lean strongly toward Libertarianism, I can’t switch.

John_G on May 10, 2014 at 10:28 PM

righty45′s baby nuts were pummeled into slovakian mush for consumption from the local Cheka.

They slurped that shiz dizzown.

Murphy9 on May 10, 2014 at 10:48 PM

My brother is a polling officer and every year at his polling station he sees people trying to use recently deceased votes and obvious fakes all the time. His station is vigorous about policing the lists….imagine others that simply ignore it or encourage it.

After all, like politicians, cops, pilots, u name it, poll workers are in the end, just people.

I’m sorry Rand, I like you but this is too deep to see the way down. The corruption is rampant and will only get worse unless someone has the guts to stand up to it.

What will allow them to get away is the (as usual) horrific job the GOP does on explaining the issues and providing the proof.

Perhaps if they spent less money and effort fight Tea Party folk and more time and money on figuring out how to deliver this message. I believe this is a winning issue if they hammered the truth daily.

itsspideyman on May 10, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Rand Paul to GOP: Our voter ID push is “offending people”

Can we just never have another Rand Paul post here, or is it going to be like the others where they say something we like occasionally and they’re just soooo the BOMB and simply MUST run for president…and then a few days later they something Libtard and they suck…and then back to hero worship and so on?

But I guess without incoherent ramblings from various racketeering Dumocrats and reports on RINOs sometimes paying lip service to the Conservatives, there’d be little more here than updates on the Vatican, zombie shows, and sports.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 10, 2014 at 11:11 PM

The apple doesn’t fall fall far from the tree. Rand is almost as crazy as his lunatic father. He is right about twice a day just like a broken clock. When you get right down to it most of us are not libertarians who believe that we should all be left alone to do what we damn well please regardless of the consequences. Rand’s theory that we leave all of the rest of the world alone and that we will all be fine is nonsense. We are seeing now what happens when the rest of the world does not fear the US or respect the word of our president. In two more years we will be lucky if we are not in WW III. We need a clear talking no nonsense leader who will make it clear that we are not nation building but that we will not tolerate despotism from anyone. If we don’t Russia and China will become the cancers of our time.

inspectorudy on May 11, 2014 at 12:10 AM

Bigbullets,

Have you personally endured a UES process? I was born in Corona, CA. But I was required to prove that. I had to have the right papers. Sound familiar?

Netclimber on May 11, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Rand Paul is a moron.

SansJeux on May 11, 2014 at 12:27 AM

I always suspected Rand didn’t have the balls to be a good Potus.
Pretty obvious he doesn’t. Voter ID is a fundamental necessity.

I have no use for any politician unwilling to make Nation wide voter ID a reality.

Ted Cruze 2016

RockyJ. on May 11, 2014 at 1:08 AM

Rand Paul to GOP: Our voter ID push is “offending people”

So….Rand Paul is in FAVOR of voter fraud???

So disappointing.

landlines on May 11, 2014 at 2:06 AM

Give me Sarah Palin 2016 . Palin is the Real Deal .
Rand Paul is a phony . Ted Cruz isn’t the answer ,

Sarah Palin is the answer. Palin2016

Unaffiliated4P on May 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM

Do leftists (they call themselves progressives but I choose to retain their more accurate title) not understand how paternal and racist it is to presume that only black people (or do they include Hispanics as well — it’s not always possible to tell) can’t figure out how to get an ID? That carrying identification is simply above their intelligence level?

It’s offensive. At least it should be.

Or, maybe it’s simply a claim that every American has a right to commit voter fraud.

IndieDogg on May 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM

Give me Sarah Palin 2016 . Palin is the Real Deal .
Rand Paul is a phony . Ted Cruz isn’t the answer ,

Sarah Palin is the answer.Palin2016

Unaffiliated4P on May 11, 2014 at 2:08 AM

Rand Paul is a phony . Paul rails against big business and yet grovels before Woody Johnson and the Mitt Romney big donors .

Rand Paul is FOR AMNESTY and is questionable on Abortion .

Unaffiliated4P on May 11, 2014 at 2:10 AM

Voter ID is the issue here. Is it so hard to concentrate on one single issue?

Netclimber on May 11, 2014 at 2:32 AM

Chris Christie
Jeb Bush
Rand Paul

Man, I wish we ha some better talent going into this. I like Perry but he can’t communicate and signed the dream act. Walker has done a good job but he is also wobbly on immigration and hasn’t graduated from college. Mike Pence? Nikki Haley? Bobby Jindal?

Anyone who has served in the military? Ran a successful business? Anyone who isn’t a career politician?

V7_Sport on May 11, 2014 at 4:21 AM

Murphy9 on May 10, 2014 at 10:48 PM

Lolz!

Bmore on May 11, 2014 at 4:30 AM

Do we really think that supporting voter ID will bring hordes of big-government addicted into the rank and file?

Don L on May 11, 2014 at 5:57 AM

Ooops I asked that question backward should have been in “not” supporting voter ID.

Don L on May 11, 2014 at 6:07 AM

In all seriousness, what sort of voter fraud numbers are we talking about?
 
Something extremely low like 100,000 nationwide?
 
rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

 
More like ten or so. In the last fifteen years.
 
righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 7:23 PM

 

The NAACP figure deals only with “in-person voter fraud.” And only with cases that have been “proven.” This type of voter fraud, experts say, is extremely rare.

 
Yes, exactly. Extremely rare. Thanks again for the link.
 
righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM

 

You should read more closely.
 
rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:48 PM

 

Why’s that? Be specific please.
 
righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 10:13 PM

 
Having to abandon a math discussion because it threatens a belief in a young earth makes a bit more sense, I suppose. Read slowly and see if you can catch it. FWIW, I think voter ID laws are a state issue.
 
Quick! To your DeLorean!

rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM

Notwithstanding Paul’s candidacy is a folly to begin with, you’ve conflated several issues.

Voter ID is about preserving the integrity of our electoral system. I realize Democrats want to tie everything possible to illegal immigration, because Republican are racists! (says the party of slavery, Jim Crow and who blocked the Civil Rights Act for years) but that is tangential to its purpose.

Voter ID spans the population of, well, voters. Last time I looked that is a pretty diverse group, including people voting illegally. Look at who has gotten caught. There seems to be more “dead” people and others deliberately voting twice, than illegals.

Democrats can’t make a logical, intelligent argument against voter ID because the true purpose resonated with real voters. So they demonize it and make fallacious pathos arguments- which is what they do with every issue- create distractions.

Thanks for helping them with your illogical conclusions again, allah-p.

Marcus Traianus on May 11, 2014 at 6:58 AM

I see Rand Paul’s face and I hear Dana Carvey’s voice saying, “Not. Gonna. Happen.”

Annie21LA on May 11, 2014 at 7:32 AM

Bmore on May 10, 2014 at 6:13 PM

.
I’m offended that you were the first to comment on this page.

Bigbullets on May 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM

.
I’m offended by your ‘offense’ !

listens2glenn on May 11, 2014 at 8:15 AM

Finger-print everyone, as they vote.
.
Almost everyone would get it on the same finger, on the same hand.
.
Exceptions would include persons who are missing the particular finger (or hand, or arm) in question.
.
But then we’d have to be afraid of the government using our fingerprint to “frame” us for some kind of crime, like in the second ‘Jason Bourne’ movie.
.
Never mind . . . . . seemed like a good idea, at first.

listens2glenn on May 11, 2014 at 8:27 AM

Done with this POS. Just like a RINO. Too bad.

RWRFAN on May 11, 2014 at 9:36 AM

It doesnt take long when ambition takes over & selling your Conservative principles has no importance.

RdLake on May 11, 2014 at 9:58 AM

Instead of trying to do these big complex plans. Just have a plan and stick to it.

gwhh on May 11, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Having to abandon a math discussion because it threatens a belief in a young earth makes a bit more sense, I suppose.

What are you talking about? You are a very strange person.

Read slowly and see if you can catch it. FWIW, I think voter ID laws are a state issue.

rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM

I would really prefer that you write actual words to form an affirmative argument, rather than block quoting a bunch of posts and asking that I guess as to what you’re getting at. Can you please try that? If you think you’re right this really should be no problem at all. Thanks.

righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 1:08 PM

Bigbullets,

Have you personally endured a UES process? I was born in Corona, CA. But I was required to prove that. I had to have the right papers. Sound familiar?

Netclimber on May 11, 2014 at 12:20 AM

Your posts become more and more strange as they careen into irrelevance.

You suggest that thumbprints are better than ID’s. But have failed to explain all the pesky little details involved in your suggested plan.

Until you do that, I have no choice but to treat this all as some kind of joke on your part.

Bigbullets on May 11, 2014 at 1:16 PM

I would really prefer that you write actual words to form an affirmative argument, rather than block quoting a bunch of posts and asking that I guess as to what you’re getting at. Can you please try that? If you think you’re right this really should be no problem at all. Thanks.

righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 1:08 PM

You’re probably the only one who doesn’t get what he’s asking.

hawkdriver on May 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM

You’re probably the only one who doesn’t get what he’s asking.

hawkdriver on May 11, 2014 at 1:50 PM

Well then, it should not be easy for him to make his argument in a sentence or two. I think I know what he’s getting at, and it’s wrong. But I want him to make his wrong argument himself. I am not doing it for him. I do not think that is very much to ask.

righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Well then, it should not be easy for him to make his argument in a sentence or two. I think I know what he’s getting at, and it’s wrong. But I want him to make his wrong argument himself. I am not doing it for him. I do not think that is very much to ask.

righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM

righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 2:45 PM

Having to abandon a math discussion because it threatens a belief in a young earth makes a bit more sense, I suppose.
 
rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM

 
What are you talking about? You are a very strange person.
 
righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 1:08 PM

 
Just some old thread. Seriously, though, you really don’t get the reference? You’re considered a doctor, right?
 
I know you just told us you weren’t good at this, but let’s line a couple up and give it another try
 
1) There were only 10 instances of a very specific form of voter fraud proven in the last fifteen years, so only 10 instances of voter fraud occurred.
 
2) The oldest tree is a 4300 year old bristle cone pine, so the earth can’t be much older.
 
You even came right out and admitted you held your position based off of what some holy man or one of your sacred texts had told you without examining the truth for yourself.
 

It also rates the claim as mostly true. Thanks, hadn’t seen that article before. Very helpful.
 
righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 9:44 PM

 
That’s 100% dinosaurs-coexisted-with-man-because-that-guy-in-the-robe-told-me-and-then-we-had-a-casserole-in-the-gym faith right there.

 

Read slowly and see if you can catch it. FWIW, I think voter ID laws are a state issue.
 
rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM

 
I would really prefer that you write actual words to form an affirmative argument, rather than block quoting a bunch of posts and asking that I guess as to what you’re getting at. Can you please try that? If you think you’re right this really should be no problem at all. Thanks.
 
righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 1:08 PM

 
Are you time traveling again?
 
What argument? Do you mean when I asked if anyone had any estimates for total numbers of voter fraud nationwide?
 

In all seriousness, what sort of voter fraud numbers are we talking about?
 
Something extremely low like 100,000 nationwide?
 
rogerb on May 9, 2014 at 6:21 PM

 

So does anyone have any actual numbers on voter fraud?
 
rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:23 PM

 
As an attorney, you do understand that those are questions and not arguments, correct?
 
Regardless, sorry. Again, I thought you were capable of following along with the rest of us and that it would be more helpful to you to see where you missed it.
 

You should read more closely.
 
rogerb on May 10, 2014 at 9:48 PM

 
Why’s that? Be specific please.
 
righty45 on May 10, 2014 at 10:13 PM

 
Because I’d asked about “voter fraud” and you replied about “this type of voter fraud”.
 
Did anyone else have a problem understanding the difference between those two, or was it just the faithful?
 
Show of hands, please?

rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Just some old thread.

Erm, ok.

Seriously, though, you really don’t get the reference? You’re considered a doctor, right?

No and no.

Because I’d asked about “voter fraud” and you replied about “this type of voter fraud”.

Right, that’s what I thought. Thanks for spelling that out. Now, let me clear this up for you.

This thread is about voter ID laws. It says so right in the title:

Rand Paul to GOP: Our voter ID push is “offending people”

Now, voter ID laws are designed to address one narrow type of voter fraud: in person voter fraud. Again, the only type of voter fraud that voter ID laws target is in-person voter fraud. To the extent they exist, other types of voter fraud (e.g., ballot stuffing by election workers, voting in multiple states) simply would not be stopped by voter ID laws. For example, requiring that voters present a picture ID would not stop an election worker from falsifying and stuffing a ballot box with a bunch of votes after the polls close. Nor would it stop someone from voting in Virginia, then driving down to Maryland and voting again the same day, so long as they present a picture ID both times. So the only type of fraud relevant here is in person voter fraud.

And according to the link you cited, proven cases of in person voter fraud have occurred a grand total 10 times. Since 2000.

Anyway, thanks again for typing words to actually take a position / form an argument, even if it’s wrong. It’s much more constructive than block quoting posts over and over again, and talking to yourself. I know we’ve been talking about you making improvements in that regard for quite awhile (maybe a year now?). Good to see progress, even if it’s in baby steps.

Have a good one.

righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 4:24 PM

Rand Paul is certainly learning to pander to morons as well as the Democrats

TexasJew on May 11, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Just some old thread.

 
Erm, ok.
 

Seriously, though, you really don’t get the reference? You’re considered a doctor, right?

 
No and no.
 

Because I’d asked about “voter fraud” and you replied about “this type of voter fraud”.

 
Right, that’s what I thought. Thanks for spelling that out. Now, let me clear this up for you.
 
This thread is about voter ID laws. It says so right in the title:
 

Rand Paul to GOP: Our voter ID push is “offending people”

 
Now, voter ID laws are designed to address one narrow type of voter fraud: in person voter fraud. Again, the only type of voter fraud that voter ID laws target is in-person voter fraud. To the extent they exist, other types of voter fraud (e.g., ballot stuffing by election workers, voting in multiple states) simply would not be stopped by voter ID laws. For example, requiring that voters present a picture ID would not stop an election worker from falsifying and stuffing a ballot box with a bunch of votes after the polls close. Nor would it stop someone from voting in Virginia, then driving down to Maryland and voting again the same day, so long as they present a picture ID both times. So the only type of fraud relevant here is in person voter fraud.
 
And according to the link you cited, proven cases of in person voter fraud have occurred a grand total 10 times. Since 2000.
 
Anyway, thanks again for typing words to actually take a position / form an argument, even if it’s wrong. It’s much more constructive than block quoting posts over and over again, and talking to yourself. I know we’ve been talking about you making improvements in that regard for quite awhile (maybe a year now?). Good to see progress, even if it’s in baby steps.
 
Have a good one.
 
righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 4:24 PM

 
tips@hotair.com, doc.
 
Be sure you let AP know that someone asked a question about overall voter fraud on page 7 of a thread about voter ID fraud.

rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 6:57 PM

And so the pandering begins. Is there one single Republican who won’t sell her or his soul to get votes? Can any one of them be trusted when they spout off all those lovely conservative talking points that go to the wayside as the next election draws near? I don’t think so. This pandering by Paul illustrates one of the main reasons I will never vote for a Republican again. Tea Party or nothing, conservatives.

blackgriffin on May 12, 2014 at 12:53 AM

Rand Paul is certainly learning to pander to morons as well as the Democrats

TexasJew on May 11, 2014 at 5:10 PM

Why do you repeat yourself?

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 1:05 AM

I think voter ID laws are a state issue.

rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM

Then Holder should leave all states alone.

Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 1:10 AM

Alana Biden and seven others voted illegally in New Hampshire. How much voter fraud is necessary before politicians pull their heads out?

btw Gunny Ermey is hosting a new show on the Sportsman’s channel. “Saving Private K9″ It’s on the 15th.

dogsoldier on May 12, 2014 at 5:31 AM

I think voter ID laws are a state issue.
 
rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 6:18 AM

 
Then Holder should leave all states alone.
 
Schadenfreude on May 12, 2014 at 1:10 AM

 
Racist.

rogerb on May 12, 2014 at 6:23 AM

Rand Paul supports giving 20+ million undocumented Democrats a pathway to voting, but doesn’t support anyone proving who they are to vote. Brilliant, right? How’s that going to workout for the two-party system and the red states in the south?

When you take all sides on all issues this is what you end up as…. mush! Rand lost me when he was telling Texas if they don’t support amnesty they will turn blue in the next decade, and then attacked Ted Nugent for expressing himself. Someone that idiotic is apparently trying to step into McCain’s shoes. If you examine McCain’s record over the years, he’s been on the right side of economic issues for the most part, but everything else is why I consider him the worst Republican of modern times. Either way this unprincipled phony should stay in Kentucky where he can actually win.

CommieJuice on May 12, 2014 at 7:19 AM

To the extent they exist, other types of voter fraud (e.g., ballot stuffing by election workers, voting in multiple states) simply would not be stopped by voter ID laws.

To the extent they would not be stopped by voter ID laws, they would be hindered by validating the registration rolls.

A practice which, I will note, is also staunchly opposed on the premise that it is nothing but racist voter-purging.

This causes me to question whether people actually want their electoral process to be legitimate.

And according to the link you cited, proven cases of in person voter fraud have occurred a grand total 10 times.

Yes, it’s staggering how few people actually state openly that they commit voter fraud on a regular basis, and how many fewer still are tried and convicted under a lax set of verification laws.

Anyway, thanks again for typing words to actually take a position / form an argument

righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 4:24 PM

There’s nothing in his last post that he did not say numerous times prior. Your condescension is not impressing anyone.

The Schaef on May 12, 2014 at 11:04 AM

The Kabuki theatre of Shane Osborne, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Mike Huckaphony, and Rand Paul. So entertaining…

Brock Robamney on May 12, 2014 at 12:11 PM

In Rand Paul’s defense, this is consistent with his libertarian leanings, similar to being against a national ID card.

cimbri on May 12, 2014 at 7:20 PM

How to commit political suicide 101

Brock Robamney on May 12, 2014 at 8:42 PM

righty45 on May 11, 2014 at 4:24 PM

This. /+

S. D. on May 13, 2014 at 12:06 AM

rogerb on May 11, 2014 at 6:57 PM

Lolz! ; )

Bmore on May 13, 2014 at 11:16 AM

coolrepublica on May 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

You were asked a question directly. Here. You elected to flee the thread or at least pose to appear as if you had left. Yet you commented again on this very thread again a short time later. Why? I will ask you this the next time I see you, just a heads up, so you will know why. I will direct you back to this place when I see you next. Please have the courtesy to answer.

Bmore on May 13, 2014 at 11:26 AM

Just so you have it at hand, an excerpt of your comment. I did this to isolate the part of your comment I am curious about. Emphasis added to be clear.

I actually don’t mind people asking for id before voting, but republicans have made it into a race issue and they seem oblivious to that fact.

coolrepublica on May 10, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Bmore on May 13, 2014 at 7:30 PM

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