WaPo: There’s a new Republican dark horse emerging for 2016

posted at 8:41 pm on May 8, 2014 by Allahpundit

I’m old enough to remember when people thought the GOP had a strong field lined up for the next cycle, with no need for dark horses. Which is to say, I’m more than six months old.

Pencemania?

Pence is also quietly cultivating influential Washington figures such as Bill Kristol and Gary Bauer, while becoming one of the loudest voices attacking Common Core, a set of education benchmarks that has sparked a revolt among tea party activists.

The moves all bear the hallmarks of a potential run for president in 2016 — and some Republican leaders have begun talking up Pence as an under-the-radar standard-bearer who could return the GOP to the White House, according to interviews with more than two dozen prominent Republicans. They say the talk-radio-host-turned-congressman-turned-governor has the capacity to electrify grass-roots voters while uniting the constituencies that make up today’s deeply divided Republican Party.

“Pence could bridge really every group — the social conservatives, the fiscal conservatives, the foreign policy conservatives,” said Chris Chocola, president of the Club for Growth and a friend of Pence’s. “He’s not viewed as a fringe guy.”…

“In the last few months, people have reached out,” Pence said. “I’m listening.”

Actually, the money quote from the article isn’t in that excerpt. It’s this one, from Pence himself: “I am someone who doesn’t believe there is something wrong with the Republican agenda.” That’s an … interesting message to run on as the potential nominee of a party that’s been shellacked two elections in a row and, with great fanfare, engaged in a formal rebranding after the 2012 campaign. The most dynamic Republican pols of the last year are all about changing the party’s agenda. Most obviously, Rand Paul’s been pushing NSA reform and sentencing reforms; less conspicuously, Mike Lee’s proposed several pro-family economic measures. Virtually everyone in the prospective presidential field supports some form of immigration reform. It’d be supremely ironic if, after the rise of the tea party and people like Paul and Lee tugging the GOP in many different new directions, we ended up with a nominee who’s running explicitly on the idea of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”

If you missed it last month, here’s my earlier post on Pence’s candidacy. The smartest critique of him in the WaPo story comes from Grover Norquist, who wonders what Pence’s “big thing” is. Scott Walker’s “big thing” is beating the unions in Wisconsin; if Pence ends up competing with him to be the “compromise candidate,” who’s respected by both the establishment and the grassroots, what has he accomplished to warrant picking him over Walker? (The same can be said for Rubio and Jindal, both of whom may also end up jockeying for the “compromise candidate” slot.) Pence has gotten out in front of opposing Common Core, but people who follow that issue closely like the boss emeritus think his opposition is mostly cosmetic. Maybe Pence’s “big thing” is simply the fact that he’s an exceptionally safe choice, almost to the point of blandness. Everyone else in the field has liabilities that will annoy some Republicans; even Walker, I think, might run into trouble on immigration. But Pence is, famously, a “full-spectrum conservative.” The fact that he’s saying outright that he thinks there’s nothing wrong with the GOP’s agenda might be reassuring to undecided voters faced with hard choices in the primaries between hawks and doves, social moderates and social conservatives, and so forth. I think McCain got nominated in 2008 because GOP voters ultimately decided he was the safest choice; Romney was also the safest in 2012. Maybe all he has to do is jump in, keep his head down while the rest of the field nukes each other, and then accept the nomination when voters decide it’s all too much and they should just stick with the inoffensive conservative guy from the midwest.


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hey maybe we should worry about 2014 before we worry about 2016, is that such a weird idea???

Sachiko on May 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Pence moving up the Hot Air potential candidates list?

He hasn’t been shown much love around here up to this point.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Well if he’s aginst Common Core I could be fer him.

rbj on May 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Common core.

BuckeyeSam on May 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Kinda early for this isn’t it?

workingclass artist on May 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Dark Horse? Dark? Lucky the dude isn’t black.

Bishop on May 8, 2014 at 8:46 PM

hey maybe we should worry about 2014 before we worry about 2016, is that such a weird idea???

Sachiko on May 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM

I’ve been saying the same thing forever but people keep on speculating. You won’t have an election if you don’t get on the ball NOW. Stop election fraud and get control of the government media.

crankyoldlady on May 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM

“In the last few months, people have reached out,” Pence said. “I’m listening.”

Such a hackneyed phrase. I’d love to know exactly who reached out to him. As for listening, that’s Bill Clinton’s schtick, and merely an excuse for doing what a politician wants to do.

Well if he’s aginst Common Core I could be fer him.

rbj on May 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

See MM’s column on Pence, Indiana and CC that’s linked to in the post.

Big Government GOP’s Common Core Rebrand Hustle

INC on May 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM

We live in a vain world, sooo,,, serious question:

Who was the last President with all gray hair on day one?

wolly4321 on May 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM

Maybe all he has to do is jump in, keep his head down while the rest of the field nukes each other, and then accept the nomination when voters decide it’s all too much and they should just stick with the inoffensive conservative guy from the midwest.

Everyone remembers and kept waiting for the kind of nuking of Obama that Romney gave Gingrich in Florida with a tv ad saturation-bombing campaign that wouldn’t quit (an expenditure, in retrospect, that might have been better spent countering Obama’s target-softening campaign to “define” Romney before he got the nomination and could tap into presidential campaign funds, but anyway…)

Just curious, AP, since you’re sizing up 2016 this far out, who do you think will have the Big Money backing– or the personal fortune– this time around to nuke the other GOP candidates? Serious question.

de rigueur on May 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

“I am someone who doesn’t believe there is something wrong with the Republican agenda.” That’s an … interesting message to run on as the potential nominee of a party that’s been shellacked two elections in a row and, with great fanfare, engaged in a formal rebranding after the 2012 campaign.

I disagree. There is nothing wrong with the Republican agenda. The problem is that the message hasn’t been delivered by warriors. In 2012, Mitt’s campaign didn’t attack the slut Sandra Fluke with an religous freedom message. They ignored it completely. In fact, the Romney campaign didn’t challenge the rat-eared wonder on any issue which allowed him to run the table with birth canals, illegals, minorities, and the gays.

The re-branding stuff came from the establishment GOP who wants to cave on the social issues entirely. Pence may offer something other than a GOP in full support of abortion, amnesty, and SSM.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 8:53 PM

See also:

Mike Pence Rebrands Common Core in Indiana

and

Pence Endorses Giant Database to Track Hoosier Students from School to the Workplace

Gee, I’m so thrilled that Governor Mike Pence “repealed” the Common Core in Indiana. *Snort* Now he’s turning his attention to student data.

The Indianapolis Star reports that Indiana will track Hoosier students from school to the workplace…

One of the giant red flags in CC is the longitudinal data mining of children.

INC on May 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM

He is little more than a boil on the ass compared to a few real candidates most here like.

celt on May 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM

The ‘pubs were on the fence; hence, Pence…

vnvet on May 8, 2014 at 8:56 PM

engaged in a formal rebranding after the 2012 campaign.

Rebranding? LOL. The Vichy GOP just moved further left into the arms of the America-hating dems and the third-world retard.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 8, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Oh good for him. If he is lucky he will soon win the hotair primary next time it is held. Good luck pence.

coolrepublica on May 8, 2014 at 8:56 PM

Pence is another one with forked tongue.

Gov Mike Pence -The Pence Index= Common Core under a different name.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/26/Indiana-Unveils-the-Pence-Index

http://washingtonexaminer.com/big-government-republicans-like-mike-pence-pushing-a-phony-common-core-rebrand/article/2547894?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter ARTICLE BY MICHELLE MALKIN^^

There is a bit more to follow

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 8:59 PM

Please. No more bland candidates. Substance is premium, but style counts for a LOT if we want to beat the bad guys in 2016. And we desperately need to beat them.

RockinRickOwen on May 8, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Last week, Pence faced the anger of hundreds of Indiana parents, educators and activists at a public Indiana Business Roundtable meeting to discuss his phony charade. The protesters openly booed Pence’s derision of critics as out-of-staters and elitists. They roared their disapproval when he claimed that his “new” standards were superior and homegrown.

“The proposed standards are simply a cloned version of the Common Core rebranded.”
Indiana native and Hillsdale College professor Terrence Moore, who reviewed the “new” English standards, concluded that if the proposal were turned into him as a college paper, he would give it an F and write “plagiarism” across the top. The “new” regime recycles old Common Core ideology, eschews phonics and fails to define “what constitutes good reading and good literature.”

. Huckabee told his allies at the Gates Foundation-funded Council of Chief State School Officers earlier this year that since Common Core had become “toxic,” the group needed to “rebrand it, refocus it, but don’t retreat.”

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 9:00 PM

Sachiko on May 8, 2014 at 8:44 PM

Actually, it’s not.

And I am SO sick and tired of the LSM trying to shake OUR Republican tree in a vain attempt to guide the LIV to the most socialist Republican it can find.

Newtie and the Beauty on May 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Pence is also quietly cultivating influential Washington figures such as Bill Kristol

.
That one statement defines the ignomy of the Washington Post these days.

Bill Kristol is influential?

Man, if you’ll believe in global warming, you’ll believe anything.

PolAgnostic on May 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

Maybe Pence’s big thing is his record of reliable conservatism. It certainly would make a pleasant change from the ‘I’m willing to make a deal for political expediency’ crowd.

I need to take a look at his record, hear his policy ideas, but based on what I know of Pence, I like him better than most already.

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

From Allah’s earlier piece:

If Walker ends up struggling because of immigration, maybe Pence is the answer. They may be the only two guys with a legit shot to win who can play with both the establishment and the base.

We’ve had enough flash and charisma and not enough steady competence. But Pence is not entirely without charm. He gives a good speech and makes sense when he speaks off the cuff. He’s experienced at dealing with questions and critics and he is good in debate. At this point, Pence is the only guy who meets the criteria the base has for immigration, and he is otherwise reliably conservative.

There is truth to the criticisms of Indiana’s rejection of Common Core. The new state system remains closely aligned with Common Core. I think this is to a large extent the result of the state educational bureaucracy being completely saturated with the same leftists that typify teachers and school administrators nationwide. The state educational establishment and bureaucracy has frequently been at odds with the governor’s office since Mitch Daniels was governor. They didn’t want Common Core dumped, and they are fighting tooth and nail to save it in substance if not in name. At least Indiana has explicitly rejected Common Core, so there will be no federal hurdles to dealing with problems that arise.

In any case, if not having sufficiently killed the Common Core monster is the biggest criticism of Pence, he is in pretty good shape. It’s important, but it doesn’t compare in significance to border security or dealing with our insane federal spending and entitlements time bombs.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 9:04 PM

I’ve been saying the same thing forever but people keep on speculating.

crankyoldlady on May 8, 2014 at 8:50 PM

Wasn’t long ago I seem to remember that some gal said speculating was a good thing.

cozmo on May 8, 2014 at 9:06 PM

these safest choices worked out awesome didn’t they?
amirite???

dmacleo on May 8, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Mike Pence on Illegal Immigration

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:13 PM

As your Republican Party becomes more and more like the opposition – what exactly do you RINO’s hope to win?

DemoCommunism at a slower pace?

Augustinian on May 8, 2014 at 9:13 PM

After seeing his speech at the NRA convention, I’m happy to have him as my governor. I think he would make a good candidate, but I would rather see him skip this cycle and get some more experience.

Sgtmack on May 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Yea… The “electable” old bland white guy compromise guy with perfect hair!

I mean, we’ve never tried THAT before!

/snore

Irritable Pundit on May 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Bill Kristol is influential?

PolAgnostic on May 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM

You missed the point. The full quote is:

Pence is also quietly cultivating influential Washington figures such as Bill Kristol and Gary Bauer

Kristol is representative of the country club Republicans (aka the surrender caucus or the establishment GOP)

Bauer is representative of social conservatives.

It’s a suggestion that Pence is looking to be the bridge candidate that unifies the party.

BTW, I was behind Bill Kristol going through the TSA screening at Reagan National. He is tiny. When he appears on Fox News he must be sitting on a booster seat.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:13 PM

Anything more recent?

lineholder on May 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Blandness..? You mean like Mitt?

d1carter on May 8, 2014 at 9:18 PM

lineholder on May 8, 2014 at 9:17 PM

Still looking. Just started so may take a while. :)

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:20 PM

…not jumping on that horse…unless I have to.

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Yea… The “electable” old bland white guy compromise guy with perfect hair!

I mean, we’ve never tried THAT before!

/snore

Irritable Pundit on May 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

Cruz is still my guy at this point but…. Do you know enough about Pence to snort and dismiss him as an old bland white guy with perfect hair?

The Dems are clearly going to run a birth canal. But that doesn’t mean the GOP has to dismiss qualified candidates just because they don’t have a birth canal.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Yea… The “electable” old bland white guy compromise guy with perfect hair!

I mean, we’ve never tried THAT before!

/snore

Irritable Pundit on May 8, 2014 at 9:16 PM

VS a fat old white woman?

slickwillie2001 on May 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Where did Pence come in on the latest HA poll?

ronval912 on May 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM

Yeah, I can really see people getting FIRED UP over …… Mike *yawn* The White Republican Guy with the White Hair™

You RINO’s are a delusional lot.

Augustinian on May 8, 2014 at 9:21 PM

This post needs some jacked up joana.

RickB on May 8, 2014 at 9:22 PM

RickB on May 8, 2014 at 9:22 PM

SSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

lineholder on May 8, 2014 at 9:23 PM

Jeb Bush is the big pusher behind “Commie” Core along with Huckabee. I have no idea why the big push for this. The Dems have Obamacare and now the Republicans have Common Core. Another way to dumb down students aka redistribution of Education.

Arizona, Iowa and Florida and many many other States as well.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/some-states-rebrand-controversial-common-core-education-standards/2014/01/30/a235843e-7ef7-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html

None of these Governors are listening to the Parents, they just make these changes and try to convince those that oppose C.C., that it’s not C.C.

A skunk still stinks, whether you rename it or not.

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 9:24 PM

He is also a BIG DATA advocate for a cradle to grave database on every Hoosier. It will start with student social profile data, test scores, and eventual employment data including income. Add a few more data fields to the data records over time and it will contain everything about everybody.
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Make him POTUS and you, too, can be a part of his BIG DATA inventory.
.
People need to come up to speed real fast regarding this masked RINO.

Carnac on May 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM

INC on May 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM

You most likely know more about Common Core than anyone. These politicians need to come out and defend it, not lie about it by changing the name.

I read an example of the “new math” under C.C. and I can tell you I never would have learned to add, LOL

Not sure if I kept the link or not, will look.

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Let’s get the Senate first and then worry about 2016.

gophergirl on May 8, 2014 at 9:28 PM

The GOP nominee, whoever that may be, had better be ready to assail Shrillary and bear being tarred a sexist (unless, of course, the candidate is a woman).

All male GOP preezy wannabes: Consider selecting a woman VP.

Philly on May 8, 2014 at 9:32 PM

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:29 PM

Thanks. Last vote on that other list was 2007, and a lots changed since then.

Just wondered where Pence stood on this one.

lineholder on May 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM

Mike Pence for President?

Pence’s name did come up in some conservative circles in the beginning of the 2012 campaign cycle as well, but he rebuffed those entreaties to run for Governor instead. At the time it seemed like a smart move on his part. While Pence’s conservative Republican bona fides are beyond question, he lacked executive experience. Replacing Mitch Daniels in the Indiana Governor’s mansion fills that gap in his resume nicely and, so far, it seems as though he’s having a successful first term. Given that he’s got a re-election bid coming up in 2016, it seems unlikely that he’d throw his hat into the Presidential ring, or that he’d be a viable contender for the Vice-Presidential slot in 2016 either. Indeed, given the timing, the smart thing for Pence to do would be to stay in Indiana for a second term and then look to a Presidential bid in the future, either in 2020 or even 2024, At 54 years of age he’s got more than enough time.

Nonetheless, we’ll probably see more speculation about a Pence candidacy in the coming year or two. At the very least, that likely to help his national profile.

Indeed, we’ve got plenty of time to look him over, kick the tires, wait for indications on policy, and… Mike… we’re listening , too.

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Throw open the orders!

#1 According to an analysis of U.S. government numbers conducted by Terrence P. Jeffrey, there are 86 million full-time private sector workers in the United States paying taxes to support the government, and nearly 148 million Americans that are receiving benefits from the government each month. How long can such a lopsided system possibly continue?

#2 Ten years ago, the number of women in the U.S. that had jobs outnumbered the number of women in the U.S. on food stamps by more than a 2 to 1 margin. But now the number of women in the U.S. on food stamps actually exceeds the number of women that have jobs.

#3 The U.S. government has spent an astounding 3.7 trillion dollars on welfare programs over the past five years.

#4 Today, the federal government runs about 80 different “means-tested welfare programs”, and almost all of those programs have experienced substantial growth in recent years.

#5 Back in 1960, the ratio of social welfare benefits to salaries and wages was approximately 10 percent. In the year 2000, the ratio of social welfare benefits to salaries and wages was approximately 21 percent. Today, the ratio of social welfare benefits to salaries and wages is approximately 35 percent.

#6 While Barack Obama has been in the White House, the total number of Americans on food stamps has gone from 32 million to nearly 47 million.

#7 Back in the 1970s, about one out of every 50 Americans was on food stamps. Today, about one out of every 6.5 Americans is on food stamps.

#8 It sounds crazy, but the number of Americans on food stamps now exceeds the entire population of the nation of Spain.

#9 According to one calculation, the number of Americans on food stamps is now greater than the combined populations of “Alaska, Arkansas, Connecticut, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming.”

#10 According to a report from the Center for Immigration Studies, 43 percent of all immigrants that have been in the United States for at least 20 years are still on welfare.

#11 Back in 1965, only one out of every 50 Americans was on Medicaid. Today, more than 70 million Americans are on Medicaid, and it is being projected that Obamacare will add 16 million more Americans to the Medicaid rolls.

#12 The number of Americans on Medicare is projected to grow from a little bit more than 50 million today to 73.2 million in 2025.

#13 Medicare is facing unfunded liabilities of more than 38 trillion dollars over the next 75 years. That comes to approximately $328,404 for each and every household in the United States.

#14 If the number of Americans enrolled in the Social Security disability program were gathered into a single state, it would be the 8th largest state in the entire country.

#15 In 1968, there were 51 full-time workers for every American on disability. Today, there are just 13 full-time workers for every American on disability.

#16 It is being projected that the number of Americans on Social Security will rise from about 62 million today to more than 100 million in 25 years.

#17 Overall, the Social Security system is facing a 134 trillion dollar shortfall over the next 75 years.

#18 According to the most recent numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau, an all-time record 49.2 percent of all Americans are receiving benefits from at least one government program each month. Back in 1983, less than a third of all Americans lived in a home that received direct monetary benefits from the federal government.

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/18-stats-that-prove-that-government-dependence-has-reached-epidemic-levels

Murphy9 on May 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

lineholder on May 8, 2014 at 9:33 PM

As do I. I’m not voting for a cult of personality. I’m voting strictly on record and policy. That’s why I’m not getting excited by any of the possibilities yet. I’m researching voting records and I want to hear what they’ve got to offer heading into the election.

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

Mike Pence Rebrands Common Core in Indiana

and

Pence Endorses Giant Database to Track Hoosier Students from School to the Workplace

Gee, I’m so thrilled that Governor Mike Pence “repealed” the Common Core in Indiana. *Snort* Now he’s turning his attention to student data.

The Indianapolis Star reports that Indiana will track Hoosier students from school to the workplace…

One of the giant red flags in CC is the longitudinal data mining of children.

INC on May 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Yeah that’s hilarious. He replaced Common Core with Indiana Common Core. But the Tea Party is so dumb they won’t catch on so it doesn’t matter. I’ve always respected Pence. If he had the guts to support Common Core instead of rebranding it, I’d have more respect for him. Have always liked him though.

NoStoppingUs on May 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

WaPo: There’s a new Republican dark horse emerging for 2016

Eh.
Pence isn’t dark enough.
If we nominate someone other than an old white guy, we’ll get an extra 15% of moderates from the start.
And we’ll finally shut the mouths of the fools who say GOP = racist.

Bobby Jindal

has the capacity to electrify grass-roots voters while uniting the constituencies that make up today’s deeply divided Republican Party.

And Jindal

could bridge really every group — the social conservatives, the fiscal conservatives, the foreign policy conservatives”… “He’s not viewed as a fringe guy.”…

itsnotaboutme on May 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

Murphy9 on May 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Thanks, Murphy. Bookmarked. :)

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:37 PM

You’re probably a bit more open-minded in that respect than I am, then. My mind is semi-fixed on Jindal. He’s a problem-solver, and that’s what I see this nation as needing right now.

It’s possible someone could change my mind, I guess.

lineholder on May 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Everyone else in the field has liabilities that will annoy some Republicans

Jindal has no substantive liability.

All some people know of him is that SOTU response five years ago that bombed, but he’s made many awesome barn-burners since then. Jindal just lacked training on how to give a speech to a camera; no doubt he’s prepped on that by now.

Jindal turned a blue state red. He can win moderates & Dems while uniting the GOP’s base.

itsnotaboutme on May 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

looking at 2016 with an analytical viewpoint, not my personal
preference, I really think Rick Perry is going to emerge. He is
a “jobs” guy and too many people are out of work.

He also is a crony capitalist of sorts so big business might
not be threatened by his candidacy like they might with Rand Paul
or Ted Cruz.

I also think the country is ready for a “he man”, not a homosexual or metrosexual type. Skinny, not being able to throw a baseball
to home plate type will not cut it. There are too many people
longing for the good old days when they had a paycheck.

Amjean on May 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

The Washington Post is racist….

viking01 on May 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

The stealth amnesty of Rep. Mike Pence: http://www.wnd.com/2006/06/36590/

No, we don’t need another big govt pusher like Mike Pence pushing Common Core “Lite,” and once an amnesty supporter always an amnesty supporter, by Michelle Malkin: http://washingtonexaminer.com/big-government-republicans-like-mike-pence-pushing-a-phony-common-core-rebrand/article/2547894?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

anotherJoe on May 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

If you want to look to Indiana for a solution, go to West Lafayette and attempt redraft of Mitch Daniels. He has the efficient management skills to de-Obama-ize every federal agency. Likely not to happen, but Pence can’t begin to compare to Daniel’s.

Carnac on May 8, 2014 at 9:47 PM

By the way, The Stealth Amnesty of Mike Pence is by Patrick Buchanan.

anotherJoe on May 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

lineholder on May 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Jindal has come out soft on immigration and for me that’s a deal breaker. Governor Bobby Jindal On Immigration

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Jindal turned a blue state red. He can win moderates & Dems while uniting the GOP’s base.

itsnotaboutme on May 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

I like Bobby. I voted for him in his first run for Congress (and for the record I voted against Vitter when he first ran for this district).

He has experience in federal government, Congress, and as Louisiana’s chief executive. His weak point, IMO, is no national security and foreign policy experience.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

Mike… Mi… *Yawn*… Mik… Zzzzz… Zzzzz… Zzzzz… Zzzz….

I want a Rand Paul/Bobby Jindal ticket. That would be interesting.

Punchenko on May 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 9:28 PM

Well, certainly one of the most vocal! :) And yes, the feints and smokescreens are frustrating and take a while to discern.

and… Mike… we’re listening , too.

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Hey, Jackie!

They often forget that, don’t they? :)

INC on May 8, 2014 at 9:56 PM

INC on May 8, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Good evening, INC.:) Indeed, they do. :)

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:57 PM

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Jindal, in his own words on immigration:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/352983/botching-immigration-again-gov-bobby-jindal

itsnotaboutme on May 8, 2014 at 10:02 PM

Thanks, Murphy. Bookmarked. :)

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

RE: link. I don’t agree with everything on that guy’s site, but he puts together some compelling lists of links/data that make you think.

Murphy9 on May 8, 2014 at 10:02 PM

thatsafactjack on May 8, 2014 at 9:49 PM

What do you see as being the differences between Pence’s stance and Jindal’s stance on immigration?

lineholder on May 8, 2014 at 10:02 PM

anotherJoe on May 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

I don’t give a flying eff what a Joo-hater like Herr Buchanan think.
If Paleo-Pat doesn’t like Pence-then Pence is likely worth voting for.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 8, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Everyone else in the field has liabilities that will annoy some Republicans

Jindal has no substantive liability.

All some people know of him is that SOTU response five years ago that bombed, but he’s made many awesome barn-burners since then. Jindal just lacked training on how to give a speech to a camera; no doubt he’s prepped on that by now.

Jindal turned a blue state red. He can win moderates & Dems while uniting the GOP’s base.

itsnotaboutme on May 8, 2014 at 9:42 PM

I like Bobby. I voted for him in his first run for Congress (and for the record I voted against Vitter when he first ran for this district).

He has experience in federal government, Congress, and as Louisiana’s chief executive. His weak point, IMO, is no national security and foreign policy experience.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 9:50 PM

There aren’t a lot of governors with national security and/or foreign policy experience.
I’d rather have an accomplished governor (with executive experience, obviously) as president than a congressman on some committee involved with foreign policy.

itsnotaboutme on May 8, 2014 at 10:07 PM

We’ll probably end up with Jeb at this rate, because Jindal and Haley will quickly join Pence in the leper colony for having “rebranded” Common Core. And we’ll end up with the dude who loves it to death.

I’m not implying that there isn’t a “rebranding” effort going on. Brewer did that in Az via EO, just renamed the standards, and Scott did the same in Florida. But in Indiana there was a year long process of actually getting rid of Common Core. Including a bill that Paused implementation, another Bill that put it under Review, and a third that ordered new standards.

Now some might say the New standards aren’t sufficiently different enough. And there is some truth to that. The progressives and Teacher unions have controlled education for nearly half a century, and much of the inherent problems of Common Core were created before it was implemented. It will take much more then a year to due away with the rot.

MWC_RS on May 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM

Mike… Mi… *Yawn*… Mik… Zzzzz… Zzzzz… Zzzzz… Zzzz….

I want a Rand Paul/Bobby Jindal ticket. That would be interesting.

Punchenko on May 8, 2014 at 9:52 PM

Jindal/Paul would be better, but Paul’s softness on social issues is very disappointing.

itsnotaboutme on May 8, 2014 at 10:08 PM

I don’t give a flying eff what a Joo-hater like Herr Buchanan think.
If Paleo-Pat doesn’t like Pence-then Pence is likely worth voting for.

Yeah, Buchanan’s objection to Pence’s plan was that illegals could “self-deport” and then come back legally OMG!!! Rage Mode.

I guess some could take exception to the idea that we need a guest worker program, but you can’t slap “amnesty” on the bill itself. Doing so is intellectually dishonest.

Some bills are amnesty , like Rubio-Schumers bill.

Others aren’t, but they’ll still get labeled that way, because if people had to debate the merits of the bill and the nitty gritty details most voters would tune out.

MWC_RS on May 8, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Murphy9 on May 8, 2014 at 9:36 PM

I wish those stats would have listed Americans and Illegal Aliens separately.

Otherwise, it’s quite depressing, but not surprising when we provide all of these benefits for Illegal Aliens.

The crash will be felt world wide.

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 10:12 PM

Whatever the islamists’ friend Grover Norquist says, believe the opposite and your chances of being correct are excellent.

Pence, having at least one successful term as Governor, is already light years ahead of the short pants gang of first-term Senators with no executive experience. He also has the advantage of a solid conservative record, a history of not bashing other Republicans, and a realistic approach.

Adjoran on May 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM

Jindal and Walker are slightly weaker on Immigration then Pence. That is the only thing that sets them apart. That and Walker hasn’t made any moves against Common Core in his state. Jindal is starting to and will likely be cursed for “rebranding” it for his efforts along with Haley who’s doing the same in SC.

MWC_RS on May 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM

I have been singing the praises of Mike Pence ever since he was a Congressman. I would vote for him in a red hot minute.

crosspatch on May 8, 2014 at 10:16 PM

Hmmm, lets see:

Christie — Never! I won’t vote

Bush — Never, ever. I’m not voting

Dole, Rove, McCain, Romney, etc — Put me out of my misery

Pence — I could vote for him

Franklin100 on May 8, 2014 at 10:17 PM

Let’s get the Senate first and then worry about 2016.

gophergirl on May 8, 2014 at 9:28 PM

That is true. However, when so many R’s are working together with the Dems to defeat any Tea Party or Conservative Candidate, not sure what we’ll have even if we get the majority.

McConnell/Rove et al all working to elect more Establishment R’s.

Corruption so deep, I’m not sure if it can be uprooted.

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 10:17 PM

I would like to see his position on corn ethanol as a presidential candidate rather than a governor or congresscritter.

butch on May 8, 2014 at 10:18 PM

Pence moving up the Hot Air potential candidates list?

He hasn’t been shown much love around here up to this point.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 8:45 PM

You have to realize that about a quarter of the commenters here are ActBlue agent provocateurs pretending to be “conservatives” bashing “establishment GOP” and promoting the most ludicrous candidates possible.

crosspatch on May 8, 2014 at 10:18 PM

One reason I think Kristol wants Pence more then say Walker, is because Pence actually has Foreign policy experience from his time in the House.

Kristol has been quietly pushing Pence since 08, he wanted him to run against Bayh in 2010 and then run for Potus in 2012, I wouldn’t be surprised if he signed up on the draft movement in 2012.

As far as politics, the only issue that motivates Kristol on a personal level is National Defense. In one year he could shill for amnesty, in another he could shill for a border hawk. It’s how the man can support both Christie, Bush, Romney etc. But at the same time shill for Ben Sasse, Ted Cruz, and others.

Why he doesn’t spend so much time hating on Palin.

Because similar to Coulter, he’s a one issue pundit, and his one issue is National Defense ( Coulter’s is immigration)
The only person Kristol won’t shill for is Paul.

MWC_RS on May 8, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Yeah that’s hilarious. He replaced Common Core with Indiana Common Core. But the Tea Party is so dumb they won’t catch on so it doesn’t matter. I’ve always respected Pence. If he had the guts to support Common Core instead of rebranding it, I’d have more respect for him. Have always liked him though.

NoStoppingUs on May 8, 2014 at 9:38 PM

The Tea Party organizations and members are against C.C. fyi. Along with many parents & Teachers, but many of the latter are two afraid to speak out for fear of losing their jobs.

I do agree with the Govs need to support C.C. if it’s so great, instead of changing the name. That to me is deceiving the Voters, Parents and the citizens of the State.

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 10:23 PM

The stealth amnesty of Rep. Mike Pence: http://www.wnd.com/2006/06/36590/

No, we don’t need another big govt pusher like Mike Pence pushing Common Core “Lite,” and once an amnesty supporter always an amnesty supporter, by Michelle Malkin: http://washingtonexaminer.com/big-government-republicans-like-mike-pence-pushing-a-phony-common-core-rebrand/article/2547894?custom_click=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

anotherJoe on May 8, 2014 at 9:44 PM

I was just about to post my slew of links about Pence and amnesty so thanks for this. He also just passed in state tuition for illegals this month. Pro amnesty and pro Common Core…. I’ll pass.

TxAnn56 on May 8, 2014 at 10:30 PM

The Indianapolis Star reports that Indiana will track Hoosier students from school to the workplace…

One of the giant red flags in CC is the longitudinal data mining of children.

INC on May 8, 2014 at 8:55 PM

Governors and others are either all in supporting everything C.C. is or not. There is no middle ground.

Something like being pregnant, one either is or isnt:-)

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 10:33 PM

He also just passed in state tuition for illegals this month.

Indiana bars in-state tuition for illegals, and has since Mitch Daniels signed that into law.

Unless you have a credible news source that confirms that statement. And by credible, a local paper, not numbers usa or infowars.

It certainly doesn’t show up on a google search, and it would if there was a credible news source.

MWC_RS on May 8, 2014 at 10:44 PM

As I said before, some people will call Pence’s immigration plan “amnesty” because they’re afraid to actually debate the merits of the bill.

In truth if you look at the details of the bill, all it does is establish a guest worker plan. An illegal is ineligible to apply as long as they are in the United States.

You have to apply from your home country. Hence an illegal immigrant would have to self-deport in order to be eligible. After acceptance he’d be entering the country legal, and thus be a legal immigrant.

MWC_RS on May 8, 2014 at 10:48 PM

anotherJoe on May 8, 2014 at 9:48 PM

Pat told it like it was in that 2006 article & nothing much has changed. Like attracts like and always has.

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 10:59 PM

“In the last few months, people have reached out,” Pence said. “I’m listening. On my NSA headphones.

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S. D. on May 8, 2014 at 11:13 PM

In truth if you look at the details of the bill, all it does is establish a guest worker plan. An illegal is ineligible to apply as long as they are in the United States.

You have to apply from your home country. Hence an illegal immigrant would have to self-deport in order to be eligible. After acceptance he’d be entering the country legal, and thus be a legal immigrant.

MWC_RS on May 8, 2014 at 10:48 PM

“all it does”? Ok, Here is the text of the bill that was passed by the Senate. It’s a PDF, 1,198 pages. There were several Amendments to it also. You can read that and if you want to see the Roll Call Vote, it is here: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00168

PDF location is item #3:http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.744:

I think it contains much more than you think. If you read the Amendments that the R’s introduced and were voted down by Reid & the Democrats you’ll see why.

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Just jumping in. I like Pence.

KCB on May 9, 2014 at 12:02 AM

bluefox on May 8, 2014 at 11:38 PM

(:->)

KOOLAID2 on May 9, 2014 at 12:12 AM

I hope Mike Pence gives it a look..Mike Pence would make a good 2016 candidate..:)

Dire Straits on May 9, 2014 at 12:22 AM

*yawn*

jbspry on May 9, 2014 at 2:32 AM

I was for Pence to get into the 2012 race and thought we lost it when he bowed out by bowing to his wife’s interest. People are just plain stupid to call him bland, as if we need some kind of firebrand to “rekindle” the American spirit. He’s rock solid and would make a great president.

HiJack on May 9, 2014 at 2:39 AM

almost to the point of blandness.

Since he’s not bold enough to put his dog on the car roof, I suppose you could say that he’s even more bland than Oromney?

Don L on May 9, 2014 at 4:34 AM

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