Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on May 7, 2014 by Allahpundit

Stephanie stood by the grave being dug for her for 20 minutes. Lockett shot her, but his gun jammed. So he walked back to the truck to fix it, listening to Stephanie cry, “Oh God! Please! Please!” The three men laughed at her.

Then he returned and shot her again. But Stephanie was still breathing — so Lockett told the others to bury her anyway. She coughed as dirt was heaped on her face. She was buried alive…

In addition to plotting hits against the four witnesses against him, while in prison, Lockett repeatedly threatened guards, was caught with homemade weapons, destroyed prison property, and threw feces and urine at officers bringing him food…

Lockett was so violent that other prisoners refused to be housed in the same cell with him, even though they could be punished for their refusal…

This is the murderer whose recent execution has thrown liberals into deep despair.

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The real surprise in all these numbers is that while the South still accounts for most executions, it also accounts for a great deal of the drop. (When you start at the top, you have a long way to fall.) Compare the 1990s with the present, and capital sentencing turns out to be declining even in former Southern strongholds. In North Carolina, where concerns about racial fairness actually led to legislative action, no one has been executed in eight years. And there’s another Southern, red-turning-purple state that leaps out here: Virginia. In the last six years, only two defendants have received sentences for capital murder in the state. (One of the two asked for this.) Also, there are only eight people sitting on Virginia’s death row…

For starters, the politics shifted. “Most people are still ‘for it,’ but no one votes for or against a political candidate because of the death penalty anymore, which means that prosecutors can settle almost any case without suffering any political fallout,” a Virginia defense lawyer told me. In Virginia, juries know they can impose a sentence of true life without parole, a punishment that addresses both the fear of putting a murderer back on the streets and the desire for retribution. For the families of victims, life without parole can provide far more closure than a death sentence, which involve 15 years of appeals on average—not to mention the prospect that the killer of your child or brother or mother could become a kind of martyr. “If Oklahoma had given Lockett life without parole, he would have never been heard of again,” Stephen Bright, president and senior counsel at the Southern Center for Human Rights, pointed out to me…

Clayton Lockett’s nightmarish execution in Oklahoma exposed the flaw in the American system of state-imposed death that is actually the easiest to fix. If lethal injection becomes untenable, states bent on execution can bring back the firing squad. The problems that are much harder to address are the ones President Obama listed after Lockett died: racial bias, uneven application, and the haunting but real prospect of accidentally executing the innocent. These deep injustices have persisted for decades. And they tend to be worst in the holdout states, which is also where there’s little or no support for a functional system of defense lawyers. That’s why the American death penalty should fall of its own rotten weight.

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[W]e now know with near certainty that innocent people have been put to death. For example, Texas in 2004 executed Cameron Todd Willingham, who was convicted of the murder of his three children by arson. Experts have now concluded that the original investigation in his case was seriously flawed and did not prove that that arson even took place. And just this year, it was discovered that Willingham’s prosecutor made a deal with a jailhouse informant in exchange for his testimony that Willingham had confessed the murder to him—a deal the prosecutor never disclosed to the defense at trial.

Similarly, DNA tests conducted in 2010, in conjunction with a key witness recanting his testimony, raised serious doubts that Texas death row inmate Claude Jones committed the murder for which he was convicted. Jones was executed in 2000…

Why does America’s criminal justice system continue to convict and execute innocent people? Eyewitness accounts, long considered the gold standard in criminal jurisprudence, have proven to be unreliable. Many defendants are represented by lawyers who are completely unprepared to handle death-penalty cases, and too often, courts have been either unable or unwilling to re-examine cases in which defendants were not provided with adequate representation.

Even forensic science is riddled with error, despite what many Americans believe from watching CSI. In fact, 50 of the first 225 wrongful convictions overturned by DNA testing involved unproven or improper forensic science, according to research compiled by the Innocence Project, and the Department of Justice and the National Institute of Standards have now formed a new commission to develop standards for improving forensic science.

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For one, is it just? Starting from a pro-life point of view, it hardly seems consistent with a culture that values life. In fact, a couple of Republicans in Kentucky are reconciling that very notion right now. State Rep. David Floyd introduced a bill to repeal the state’s death penalty, arguing in the Louisville Courier-Journal that conservatives “should not support a state government program that can kill innocent people.”…

In the absence of any evidence that proves the death penalty reduces crime, we should continue asking serious questions about our commitment to it. (And might I remind fellow conservatives that we are quick to point out that there’s no evidence gun control reduces gun crime; we should apply the same level of scrutiny here.)…

In some states, a death penalty case can bankrupt a county. Seattle Times writer Jonathan Martin found that in Washington state, criminal justice costs consume 80% of county budgets, and administrators routinely worry about the financial devastation a capital case will cause.

Worse, states pay for the death penalty whether they use it or not. In New Jersey, prior to abolishing it, taxpayers spent more than a quarter-billion dollars on a capital punishment system that, over 23 years, executed no one.

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No one is immune to these emotions, but we should recognize them as such. The emotional urge to kill as a palliative to disconsolate pain is real and not rare. Does it work? I am lucky not to know.

Rationally, there is no redeeming return on a death warrant. Instead, by condoning state executions, especially under such controlled, calculated circumstances, we are passively complicit in the taking of a defenseless life. We don’t inject the cocktail, obviously, but by our consent to murder — even if we call it justifiable — we are part of the lion’s den. This is what concerns me most.

For the more practical-minded, there’s ample evidence that the death penalty doesn’t deter criminals. And though I’m amenable to the argument that the death penalty at least deters this particular killer from committing another crime, we are still trading one eye for another.

To my own vengeful eye, life in prison is far more excruciating than a 43-minute execution. Far worse is a confined life without privilege or diversion — except perhaps for books because reading keeps the mind sharp, all the better to remain alert to one’s malignant fate.

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Let’s have no illusions about what we’re doing when the state carries out the killing of captive prisoners. I imagine support for the death penalty would decline rather quickly once heads started rolling…

Even if there’s a case where there’s absolute certainty that the condemned is guilty, the execution still requires an executioner. Insofar as in individual takes on that role, he does damage to himself. (It’s no accident that firing squads are organized so that no one knows who fired the fatal shot.) And insofar as the executioner acts on behalf of society generally, he undermines that most crucial moral norm, the inviolability or sanctity of life.

This punishment isn’t worth the costs it imposes on us.

So let’s bring back the guillotine—and once it forces us to confront the barbarity of needlessly killing people who pose no threat to us, let’s abolish the death penalty. Countries without the death penalty get along just fine, and I don’t think Americans will be able to stomach it once they look it squarely in the face.

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Would Jesus Christ oppose the death penalty if he were present today? According to a recent Barna poll, most Americans think so. Only five percent of Americans believe Jesus would support the government’s ability to execute the worst criminals. This includes 2 percent of Catholics, 8 percent of Protestants, and 10 percent of all practicing Christians. Christian leaders, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, have also been some of the most outspoken opponents of executions. But overall, a majority of Americans back the death penalty…

Christians who support the death penalty often cite passages from the Old Testament that allowed for capital punishment. But Jesus told his followers not to observe the Jewish law that allowed for retributive justice: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.”…

Many forget that Jesus once served as a one-man jury on a death-penalty case. In a famous New Testament story, an adulterous woman was dragged to Jesus’ feet. The woman was guilty of a capital offense and had been caught in the act by at least one witness. The law mandated her death but Jesus prescribed a different response: “Let whoever is without sin cast the first stone.” He was teaching that only a perfect being—only God—should have power over death and life.

With Jesus’s stark words and example, no wonder early Christians opposed military service and the government-sanctioned killing of anyone for at least 300 years. “Our warfare is to make the dead to live, not to make the living dead,” St. John Chrysostom said.

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Can there be anything Obama does not know about capital punishment? The man was trained at an elite law school (Harvard) and later served as a law professor. The issue has been around since, probably, the first stoning, and nothing new can be said about it. Lockett, after all, is not the first condemned man to die slowly. It took the state of Ohio about 25 minutes — 20 minutes longer than usual — to kill Dennis McGuire last January. We now know it can be exceedingly difficult to kill the killers…

Capital punishment is totally a matter of one’s conviction. There is no science to it. George W. Bush’s convictions were well known. He adhered to a primitive eye-for-an-eye belief that was resistant to reason. As with almost everything — including the making of war — if Bush was comfortable with it, he did it.

With Obama, it’s just the opposite. His convictions regarding capital punishment waver. He supports it, but only when the crimes are, as he said last week, like “mass killings, the killings of children.” Still, his statements are so laden with caveats and conditions that it seems fair to say that Obama, as befits his background and education, would not weep if the United States joined most of the world and abolished capital punishment. We keep interesting company — North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia and some others. This is not our crowd.

Obama’s position may be evolving, as it did with same-sex marriage.

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The most cynical argument against the death penalty is to point out how slow and expensive the process is. But it is slow and expensive at least in part because its opponents have made it slow and expensive, so they can complain about how slow and expensive it is.

As for humaneness, Lockett’s execution was botched — “inhumane” — in part because Oklahoma had to use a new drug regimen because death-penalty opponents had successfully lobbied the maker of a component of an earlier formula to stop making that drug available for executions.

Some believe the best argument against the death penalty is the fear that an innocent person might be executed. It’s hotly debated whether that has ever happened, but it’s clear that innocent people have been sent to death row. Even one such circumstance is outrageous and unacceptable.

But even that is not an argument against the death penalty per se. The FDA, police officers, and other government entities with less constitutional legitimacy than the death penalty (see the Fifth and 14th amendments) have made errors that resulted in innocent deaths. That doesn’t render these entities and their functions illegitimate. It obligates government to do better.

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I haven’t been following … did anyone else already mention the DRUDGE Headline ?

listens2glenn on May 7, 2014 at 10:53 PM

crankyoldlady on May 7, 2014 at 10:51 PM

Lubbock is a different sort of college town.
Heck-even our ‘occupiers’ a few years back were friendly-(mostly) and had in their camp a properly displayed US flag.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2014 at 10:54 PM

I do believe joana is probably one of the most insulting dumb beatches I’ve ever seen on here.

Let’s insult everyone.
It’s pathetic.

wolly4321 on May 7, 2014 at 10:29 PM

…I think her v@gina is sewn shut!
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*GLARES*

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM

…they told me it’s ok!…only on QOTD though!
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PointnClick on May 7, 2014 at 10:42 PM

…well then how come I enjoy reading you more than others…and have had to go ‘cold turkey’…when you take the long ‘extended’ breaks ?…I ran out of archives …long ago! (:->)

KOOLAID2 on May 7, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Okay, I’m going to indulge in some nepotism right off the bat. The band the youngest Boy Wonder is in latest video.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 10:27 PM

That was intense. Kinda like Metallica meets Brian Seltzer and runs into dead Elvis. Or maybe not, but I like it very much and give the boy my thumbs up.

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 10:57 PM

listens2glenn on May 7, 2014 at 10:53 PM

Their Scandals are closing in. They are desparate, and that makes them dangerous. Put on your seatbelts and make sure your seats and trays are in the upright position. It’s gonna get bumpy.

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Bass player.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 10:52 PM

Watched it again. He needs to talk to the camera man. There are not any shots where you can really see him. Are you the cheerleader?

I liked the music more the second time through.

gh on May 7, 2014 at 10:58 PM

Stephen Jay Gould, 1942-2002
In Memoriam

Punctuated equilibria

^ Old clipping. David Berlinski noting the passing of Gould. I admire Berlinski anyway, but this brief note is an interesting piece of paper to hold and feel for me. Berlinski the mathematician, critic of current Evolutionary theory, noting the passing of Gould, the paleontologist and reluctant patron of Punctuated Equilibrium.

Just finally filing it. :)

End tonight’s spam.

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 10:59 PM

If I were the father that savage never would have reached the gurney, in fact he would never have made it to prison.

Bishop on May 7, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Somewhat long, but wholly worth it.

Horatia on May 7, 2014 at 11:00 PM

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 10:49 PM

Sometimes packaging is perception. :)

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:01 PM

Dave Matthews Band – You & Me

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 10:50 PM

Keep posting DMB songs and I will get in my Star Wars theme VW van and spill my slop jar out the window just for fun. I’m still grumpy and just might to it anyway!

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:03 PM

Why a 3 drug ‘cocktail’? Enough Phenobarbital will put you to sleep and you won’t wake up.

But a .45 to the back of the head is a lot cheaper and faster.

GarandFan on May 7, 2014 at 11:04 PM

gh on May 7, 2014 at 10:58 PM

First rule of rock band, the singer is the star. Cheerleader? I can’t chew gum and walk. But I will be right there at the CD release on Saturday at Jack Rabbits. Nothing says cool like old people in the crowd.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:04 PM

PointnClick on May 7, 2014 at 10:42 PM

I know you don’t post a lot on your site, but I check every couple of days. I like your style. My mutt is only Seven, but he is a large breed (German Shepherd). His muzzle is going grey. He isn’t my first, so I am fully aware of where this story ends. I appreciated the eulogy you posted for Riley. Sounds like the kind of mutt I would have liked to spend a decade with.

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 10:48 PM

You guys can read it here.

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 11:04 PM

If I were the father that savage never would have reached the gurney, in fact he would never have made it to prison.

Bishop on May 7, 2014 at 10:59 PM

I don’t know how any father could sit in a courtroom and watch this stuff.

crankyoldlady on May 7, 2014 at 11:05 PM

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 10:57 PM

Any touch of Metallica gets a big thumbs up from his mom. I’ll pass along the good review.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:05 PM

GarandFan on May 7, 2014 at 11:04 PM

But it’s so messy and uncivilized and there’s blood that comes out and there’s a gun involved. Why can’t we keep pumping toxic chemicals into our deathrow prisoners like the humane people that we are?

Horatia on May 7, 2014 at 11:06 PM

Hmmm… Not sure why this comment got eaten… Let’s try again…

I tried to say that a paying gig where wasted b!tches don’t berate me or hit me and people didn’t yak in my car would be nice… I don’t picture Ed or AP wasted drunk and upchucking at the keyboard…

Know what my secret fantasy is? I fantasize that MKH and KatieP secretly read my blog with every new post… A guilty pleasure they never admit to…

I’d lose it if the Hammer got flustered and quoted me on O’Reilly… LOL

PointnClick on May 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Not always

gh on May 7, 2014 at 11:08 PM

Can there be anything Obama does not know about capital punishment? The man was trained at an elite law school (Harvard) and later served as a law professor.

And yet, he is thoroughly ignorant when it comes to the U.S. Constitution.

There’s no reason to believe he has a better grasp on any other legal subject.

malclave on May 7, 2014 at 10:22 PM

Cohen is spreading the Obama myth machine manure. His classmates reported that while otherwise totally unaccomplished he was the biggest suck-up in Harvard Law. They invented the Obamamometer, a scale to measure the magnitude of boot-licking and ass-kissing.

And he was no professor, either. He was the beneficiary of a job created entirely to burnish his resume, i.e., a “lecturer” or what we used to call a “reader”. He just taught a class for which the syllabus had already been set.

He has never accomplished a single notable act of academic achievement. He has never published a single thing, highly unusual for anyone connected to the Harvard Law Review. Of course, he was “president” of the Review, a nugatory excrescence created as a sop to the race mongers because the Editors of the Review were historically pale.

novaculus on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Okay, I’m going to indulge in some nepotism right off the bat. The band the youngest Boy Wonder is in latest video.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 10:27 PM

Nicely done, looks like your youngest has some very good prospects.

oscarwilde on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Doobie Brothers – Minute By Minute

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I’d lose it if the Hammer got flustered and quoted me on O’Reilly… LOL

PointnClick on May 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM

LOL! It could happen! She gets in here and reads. Shout out to MKH! Shout back????

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Keep posting DMB songs and I will get in my Star Wars theme VW van and spill my slop jar out the window just for fun. I’m still grumpy and just might to it anyway!

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:03 PM

I am singing to someone who loves DMB. If you please.

And I fear no van. I have a Chewb@cca shirt that would startle anyone with taste, terrify any metrosexual, and possibly put any homosexual man into therapy.

Don’t make me go get Chewb@cca.

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Maybe if we built a pipeline . . . . .

listens2glenn on May 7, 2014 at 10:40

PM

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Are you a Texan, too?

8 weight on May 7, 2014 at 10:46 PM

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Nope … just another American disgusted by the amount of influence the “useful idiots” enjoy when it comes to us trying to build useful pipelines.

It was a sarcastic remark on my part, that missed it’s point.

listens2glenn on May 7, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Charles Warner, 46 years old, is awaiting the death penalty here in Oklahoma. He was scheduled to follow Lockett, but his attorney has sued for an ‘indefinite stay’ on the grounds that the drug combination used on Lockett might cause him discomfort.

Charles Warner raped and murdered Adrianna Waller, an eleven month old girl, daughter of his live in girlfriend. She left him alone with the child, and his own children, while she went grocery shopping. When she returned home, she found her daughter’s lifeless body lying naked on the floor. There was a six inch fracture in her skull, three ribs were broken, her liver and spleen were lacerated, her lungs were bruised.

Warner has a history. He assaulted his ex-wife and sexually assaulted her five year old daughter. His own seven year old son testified that he had witnessed Warner, his father, sexually assaulting Adrianna on several occasions before the fatal attack occurred.

Unless those who have qualms about the death penalty can guarantee society that when a life sentence, natural life, whole life, or life and a day, is passed on such and individual there will be no parole, no time off for ‘good behavior’, no commutation of sentence for any reason, no pardon for any reason,no opportunity for that offender to rape and/or murder again, the death penalty is the only means we have to see that murderers and rapists never have the opportunity to harm anyone else.

Clayton Lockett will never again harm another person. That’s the point of the death sentence.

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:11 PM

novaculus on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

I’m surprised that his academic records haven’t been released, exposed or whatever you want to call it by now. The protection is stronger than I realize, I guess.

8 weight on May 7, 2014 at 11:11 PM

If I were the father that savage never would have reached the gurney, in fact he would never have made it to prison.

Bishop on May 7, 2014 at 10:59 PM

Our oldest daughter just came home for a day out of the blue. Something is up, but for now all the other snot slingers are loving on her. She knows when she needs dad.

Been a wild two weeks.

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Hmmm… Not sure why this comment got eaten… Let’s try again…

I tried to say that a paying gig where wasted b!tches don’t berate me or hit me and people didn’t yak in my car would be nice… I don’t picture Ed or AP wasted drunk and upchucking at the keyboard…

Know what my secret fantasy is? I fantasize that MKH and KatieP secretly read my blog with every new post… A guilty pleasure they never admit to…

I’d lose it if the Hammer got flustered and quoted me on O’Reilly… LOL

PointnClick on May 7, 2014 at 11:07 PM

Coulter does that. :) Picks someone in particular to “write to.”

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:11 PM

If I were the father that savage never would have reached the gurney, in fact he would never have made it to prison.

Bishop on May 7, 2014 at 10:59 PM

I don’t know how any father could sit in a courtroom and watch this stuff.

crankyoldlady on May 7, 2014 at 11:05 PM

I couldn’t, which is why I wouldn’t. Bishop outlines
what I would do…and Yes, I’d go to Prison, knowing
every damn day, I did what was needed to be done….

ToddPA on May 7, 2014 at 11:11 PM

First rule of rock band, the singer is the star. Cheerleader? I can’t chew gum and walk. But I will be right there at the CD release on Saturday at Jack Rabbits. Nothing says cool like old people in the crowd.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:04 PM

Dick Dale doesn’t sing.

RickB on May 7, 2014 at 11:12 PM

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:11 PM

Need to bring back hangin’ in the public square.

8 weight on May 7, 2014 at 11:12 PM

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Mike McDonald…still love his voice. Did you know he released an international album of old Motown?

CoffeeLover on May 7, 2014 at 11:14 PM

Nicely done, looks like your youngest has some very good prospects.

oscarwilde on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Sigh, her son is not the cheerleader you buffoon. Chuckle!

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:14 PM

CoffeeLover on May 7, 2014 at 11:14 PM

No I didn’t. He’s got the sultry kind of voice to pull it off, though.

I’ve always enjoyed listening to him, too.

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:17 PM

Any Evil Goon/GoonEtte who takes a life, as cruel or horrendous
of any act, should have there life taken by same manner!!

Gassing, electrocution, whatever, works for me!!

canopfor on May 7, 2014 at 11:17 PM

I startle anyone with taste, terrify any metrosexual, and possibly put any homosexual man into therapy.

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:09 PM

Okay….okay…okay, but I ain’t drinking any of your Chocolate Milkshakes. Geez, I do have SOME standards.

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Signed Sealed Delivered.

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Dave Matthews Band – Crush

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:14 PM

I was living in Chicago when his bus driver voided the sanitary tanks of DM’s tour bus through a grated bridge over the Chicago River onto a passing tour boat.

A driver for the Dave Matthews Band admitted Wednesday that he emptied his bus’ septic tank over the Chicago River last summer, drenching passengers on an architectural boat tour with 800 pounds of human waste.

Totally monged that architectural tour, no?

Murphy9 on May 7, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Train – Drops of Jupiter

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:19 PM

the perverse nature in me would have liked to see him raped, shot (not fatally) and buried alive…

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Stephanie stood by the grave being dug for her for 20 minutes. Lockett shot her, but his gun jammed. So he walked back to the truck to fix it, listening to Stephanie cry, “Oh God! Please! Please!” The three men laughed at her.

Then he returned and shot her again. But Stephanie was still breathing — so Lockett told the others to bury her anyway. She coughed as dirt was heaped on her face. She was buried alive…

Lethal injection is way too merciful.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM

8 weight on May 7, 2014 at 11:12 PM

I understand your sentiment. However, that suggests that witnessing the execution would have something of a deterrent effect on those who hold the lives of others without value. I don’t believe it works as a deterrent.

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM

the perverse nature in me would have liked to see him raped, shot (not fatally) and buried alive…

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:19 PM

Nothing perverse about it.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM

Signed Sealed Delivered.

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Perfect, Ken.

Good evening hooligans of HA :)

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:21 PM

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 11:18 PM

Heh! Yeah, there’s that white-haired devil.

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:22 PM

In the USA, today

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Hopey the Twit:

2012 Democratic Presidential Nominee
Current President of the United States

Barack Obama
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Obama position on Capital Punishment
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Obama feels utmost caution should be taken on the subject of capital punishment, and it should be reserved only for ‘heinous crimes’.

“I believe that the death penalty is appropriate in certain circumstances. There are extraordinarily heinous crimes, terrorism, the harm of children, in which it may be appropriate. Obviously we’ve had some problems in this state, in the application of the death penalty and that’s why a moratorium was put in place and that’s why I was so proud to be one of the leaders in making sure that we overhauled it, death penalty system that was broken.

For example, passing the first in the nation videotaping of interrogations and confessions in capital cases. We have to have this ultimate sanction for certain circumstances in which the entire community says this is beyond the pale”

October 21, 2004, Illinois State Debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcl-T0P7xYU
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“While the evidence tells me that the death penalty does little to deter crime, I believe there are some crimes—mass murder, the rape and murder of a child—so heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate punishment.”

Page 35, ‘Audacity of Hope’

http://2012.presidential-candidates.org/Obama/Capital-Punishment.php

canopfor on May 7, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Totally monged that architectural tour, no?

Murphy9 on May 7, 2014 at 11:19 PM

dude, that was nasty…

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:22 PM

RickB on May 7, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Well, okay but when there is a singer, they usually like to be the center of attention.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Nothing perverse about it.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:20 PM

yeh. he got off easy, didn’t he?

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Totally monged that architectural tour, no?

Murphy9 on May 7, 2014 at 11:19 PM

^ Jackie, I’m using the word Mong now, by the way. It’s awesome. To aggressively assault, as: “jen-jis Khan monged those suckers.”

“OK, but that girl will totally mong the bar, dude.”

“Let’s mong the festivities this evening, eh what?”

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I went out for a run after I posted that tornado warning. Glad its just T-storms. They had baseball sized hail in texas I hear.

47m
Photo: Strong winds knock over dozens of train cars during severe storm in Galva, Kan. – @BrittanyGlasKSN

Murphy9 on May 7, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Murph9:0
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Train vs. Tornado – Spectacular!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azV5bC2br-Q

canopfor on May 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM

I haven’t been following … did anyone else already mention the DRUDGE Headline ?

listens2glenn on May 7, 2014 at 10:53 PM

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Their Scandals are closing in. They are desparate, and that makes them dangerous. Put on your seatbelts and make sure your seats and trays are in the upright position. It’s gonna get bumpy.

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 10:57 PM

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If they’re going to insist that the ‘DRUDGE REPORT’ qualifies as a “right-wing” political organization, then you’re damn right it’s gonna get “bumpy”.

The whole reason for the Second Amendment is to protect the FIRST.

If the FCC, and IRS seriously attempt this, it’s gonna really get “bumpy.”
Ain’t no way we’re gonna tolerate this.

listens2glenn on May 7, 2014 at 11:26 PM

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Ya’ gotta be a proud grizzly mama, darlin’

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:28 PM

Just want people to know that for reasons that still escape me, some troll has created a what appears to be a parody account of me. A search only turned up one post earlier today… Not sure why or how I earned the ire of some jackass, but please note the name…

Sincerely,

The original fuggin’ PointnClick

PointnClick on May 7, 2014 at 10:25 PM

The fugger must be a cheap bastid.

The real PointnClick, I owe you an apology. The other night, absent minded, I read that you “lost your dog”. I took it to mean that the dog was with you on a route and you lost him. I understood later that it was more dire. I am sincerely sorry for my misunderstanding and sympathize deeply with your loss.

You are one of the best and should really, really pursue publishing your writings, making a go of it, for dough. There are good people here who can help you. Self-publishing is not a bad way to go…even on Amazon…One of the QotD could be dedicated to just this topic (c/b hijacked to the topic, but who cares?).

Be well good mensch and ignore the cheap one, for now.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:29 PM

Matchbox Twenty – If You’re Gone

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM

I think the language is quite beautiful and the most expressive on the planet. However, who am I to stand in your way?

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Train vs. Tornado – Spectacular!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azV5bC2br-Q

canopfor on May 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM

:0 is right! That was nuts! That tank car just kept coming!

Murphy9 on May 7, 2014 at 11:31 PM

RickB on May 7, 2014 at 11:12 PM

Well, okay but when there is a singer, they usually like to be the center of attention.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Generally speaking that does tend to be the rule, though there are plenty of examples where the vocalist/frontman isn’t the center of attention.

oscarwilde on May 7, 2014 at 11:31 PM

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:11 PM

I sure hope he gets his, and soon. This should make him think about what he did too.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Wasn’t Hu Flung Pu a famous mong?

gh on May 7, 2014 at 11:31 PM

gh on May 7, 2014 at 11:08 PM

There are always exceptions, and in fairness this kid is really nice.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:32 PM

“I couldn’t convince her not to tell,” Lockett describes on the tape.
Clayton Lockett seemed to show no remorse as he remembered the murder he committed. KFOR Clayton Lockett seemed to show no remorse as he remembered the murder he committed. Enlarge
Lockett smoked a cigarette as he described how he and two friends kidnapped several people and killed Neiman during a botched burglary. KFOR Lockett smoked a cigarette as he described how he and two friends kidnapped several people and killed Neiman during a botched burglary. Enlarge

At times during the 30-minute confession, he even stops to insert other facts he forgot to mention during the chronological telling of the chilling crime.

He says he shot Neiman twice with a shotgun before the other two men buried her, still alive, in a shallow grave.

“I could hear her breathing and crying and everything,” Lockett recounts.

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:32 PM

I think the language is quite beautiful and the most expressive on the planet. However, who am I to stand in your way?

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:30 PM

I’m totally monging standard English, bruh.

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:33 PM

Okay, this is last out for me….Good night to all.

Early morning tomorrow.

Lifehouse – You and Me

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:33 PM

We are getting t-storms, Thank God…

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 10:08 PM

OC: Correct you are:0
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http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/central-us-severe-weather-outbreak-may-7-9-2014/

Central US severe weather outbreak, May 7-9, 2014
5m
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Windows reported blown out by combination of large hail, wind on buildings near Fort Cobb, Okla. – @stormchaser4850
end of alert
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https://twitter.com/stormchaser4850

canopfor on May 7, 2014 at 11:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azV5bC2br-Q

canopfor on May 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Oops!

davidk on May 7, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Wasn’t Hu Flung Pu a famous mong?

gh on May 7, 2014 at 11:31 PM

Prolly. I’m no expert.

Axe on May 7, 2014 at 11:34 PM

Love Train

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Okay, this is last out for me….Good night to all.

Early morning tomorrow.

Lifehouse – You and Me

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:33 PM

lineholder: Night,..:)

canopfor on May 7, 2014 at 11:35 PM

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:31 PM

It looks as though he’ll get the ‘indefinite stay’ while they ‘investigate’ Clayton Lockett’s execution.

He’s been on death row since 2003. Eleven years of appeals. This ‘stay’ could drag out for years as his attorneys, that the people of Oklahoma are paying for, keep suing the state and appealing the means of execution.

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Well, Newtie is here spinning the records…girl you Rock.

Good night all.

ToddPA on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

If the new PointAndClick didn’t know about the double, it can be forgiven, but should take another nom.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

I think the language is quite beautiful and the most expressive on the planet. However, who am I to stand in your way?

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:30 PM

Psst, it’s okay to admit that you also pretend to understand our dear friend Axe.

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

g’night canada…
taking ratso out for a soak, errr, smoke…

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Nite ToddPA

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thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

I hope he suffers with every breath.

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Well, Newtie is here spinning the records…girl you Rock.

Good night all.

ToddPA on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Just saw you and I wish you the best.

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:37 PM

Well, okay but when there is a singer, they usually like to be the center of attention.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 11:23 PM

Not necessarily. With or Without a singer, I think your son would appreciate this bassist.

gh on May 7, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Psst, it’s okay to admit that you also pretend to understand our dear friend Axe.

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Pretend is the key word. No one understands Axe, not even Axe :)

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:38 PM

g’night todd and line…

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:38 PM

canopfor on May 7, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Impressive.

Even a little ominous percussion with the debris hitting the metal. I see musical potential here.

Horatia on May 7, 2014 at 11:38 PM

I’ve got a touch of heat exhaustion…and work tomorrow. Smell ya later.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 7, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Nite Canada

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:38 PM

Acknowledging that despite a list of accomplishments that there is still a “disquiet around the country” as well as “an anxiety, and a sense a frustration,” Obama said that “the challenges out there remain daunting and we have a Washington that’s not working.”

“Those who don’t believe government can do anything are empowered, gridlock reigns, and we got this downward spiral of even more cynicism and more dysfunction, and we have to break out of that cycle and that’s what this election is all about,” Obama said in remarks that lasted about 15 minutes.

http://variety.com/2014/biz/news/president-obama-at-hollywood-fundraiser-politics-needs-to-break-out-of-cycle-of-dysfunction-1201174779/

davidk on May 7, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Night nocturnal maniacs. I’ll be strictly diurnal for some time thanks to some changes at the olde factory. 8D

Murphy9 on May 7, 2014 at 11:39 PM

g’night twerp

OmahaConservative on May 7, 2014 at 11:39 PM

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Axefellow and I are old friends, HonestLib, and I rarely need a translator. :)

Good evening. :)

thatsafactjack on May 7, 2014 at 11:40 PM

HonestLib on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Who can’t understand Axe?

KCB on May 7, 2014 at 11:40 PM

You are one of the best and should really, really pursue publishing your writings, making a go of it, for dough. There are good people here who can help you. Self-publishing is not a bad way to go…even on Amazon…One of the QotD could be dedicated to just this topic (c/b hijacked to the topic, but who cares?).

Schadenfreude on May 7, 2014 at 11:29 PM

No apologies necessary… As to publishing, there was a “Headlines” post a while back about people writing tawdry novellas about alien rapes and quasi-romance novels about innocent college girls getting lost in the woods and being ravaged by Bigfoot… Lots of “throbbing loins” and “heaving breasts“… if I recall, Axe and Jackie were hilarious on that thread. The writer of the Bigfoot sagas was making thousands, three bucks at a time…

The reason I post so infrequently is time… I work 50 or 55 hours a week, and my co-workers call me “the part timer”… and when I’m not working, I’m trying to get caught up around the house. But I have thought about it… If I only had more time…

PointnClick on May 7, 2014 at 11:41 PM

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 11:33 PM

ToddPA on May 7, 2014 at 11:36 PM

Niters and sleep well, you two!

Newtie and the Beauty on May 7, 2014 at 11:41 PM

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