Quotes of the day

posted at 10:01 pm on May 7, 2014 by Allahpundit

Stephanie stood by the grave being dug for her for 20 minutes. Lockett shot her, but his gun jammed. So he walked back to the truck to fix it, listening to Stephanie cry, “Oh God! Please! Please!” The three men laughed at her.

Then he returned and shot her again. But Stephanie was still breathing — so Lockett told the others to bury her anyway. She coughed as dirt was heaped on her face. She was buried alive…

In addition to plotting hits against the four witnesses against him, while in prison, Lockett repeatedly threatened guards, was caught with homemade weapons, destroyed prison property, and threw feces and urine at officers bringing him food…

Lockett was so violent that other prisoners refused to be housed in the same cell with him, even though they could be punished for their refusal…

This is the murderer whose recent execution has thrown liberals into deep despair.

***

The real surprise in all these numbers is that while the South still accounts for most executions, it also accounts for a great deal of the drop. (When you start at the top, you have a long way to fall.) Compare the 1990s with the present, and capital sentencing turns out to be declining even in former Southern strongholds. In North Carolina, where concerns about racial fairness actually led to legislative action, no one has been executed in eight years. And there’s another Southern, red-turning-purple state that leaps out here: Virginia. In the last six years, only two defendants have received sentences for capital murder in the state. (One of the two asked for this.) Also, there are only eight people sitting on Virginia’s death row…

For starters, the politics shifted. “Most people are still ‘for it,’ but no one votes for or against a political candidate because of the death penalty anymore, which means that prosecutors can settle almost any case without suffering any political fallout,” a Virginia defense lawyer told me. In Virginia, juries know they can impose a sentence of true life without parole, a punishment that addresses both the fear of putting a murderer back on the streets and the desire for retribution. For the families of victims, life without parole can provide far more closure than a death sentence, which involve 15 years of appeals on average—not to mention the prospect that the killer of your child or brother or mother could become a kind of martyr. “If Oklahoma had given Lockett life without parole, he would have never been heard of again,” Stephen Bright, president and senior counsel at the Southern Center for Human Rights, pointed out to me…

Clayton Lockett’s nightmarish execution in Oklahoma exposed the flaw in the American system of state-imposed death that is actually the easiest to fix. If lethal injection becomes untenable, states bent on execution can bring back the firing squad. The problems that are much harder to address are the ones President Obama listed after Lockett died: racial bias, uneven application, and the haunting but real prospect of accidentally executing the innocent. These deep injustices have persisted for decades. And they tend to be worst in the holdout states, which is also where there’s little or no support for a functional system of defense lawyers. That’s why the American death penalty should fall of its own rotten weight.

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[W]e now know with near certainty that innocent people have been put to death. For example, Texas in 2004 executed Cameron Todd Willingham, who was convicted of the murder of his three children by arson. Experts have now concluded that the original investigation in his case was seriously flawed and did not prove that that arson even took place. And just this year, it was discovered that Willingham’s prosecutor made a deal with a jailhouse informant in exchange for his testimony that Willingham had confessed the murder to him—a deal the prosecutor never disclosed to the defense at trial.

Similarly, DNA tests conducted in 2010, in conjunction with a key witness recanting his testimony, raised serious doubts that Texas death row inmate Claude Jones committed the murder for which he was convicted. Jones was executed in 2000…

Why does America’s criminal justice system continue to convict and execute innocent people? Eyewitness accounts, long considered the gold standard in criminal jurisprudence, have proven to be unreliable. Many defendants are represented by lawyers who are completely unprepared to handle death-penalty cases, and too often, courts have been either unable or unwilling to re-examine cases in which defendants were not provided with adequate representation.

Even forensic science is riddled with error, despite what many Americans believe from watching CSI. In fact, 50 of the first 225 wrongful convictions overturned by DNA testing involved unproven or improper forensic science, according to research compiled by the Innocence Project, and the Department of Justice and the National Institute of Standards have now formed a new commission to develop standards for improving forensic science.

***

For one, is it just? Starting from a pro-life point of view, it hardly seems consistent with a culture that values life. In fact, a couple of Republicans in Kentucky are reconciling that very notion right now. State Rep. David Floyd introduced a bill to repeal the state’s death penalty, arguing in the Louisville Courier-Journal that conservatives “should not support a state government program that can kill innocent people.”…

In the absence of any evidence that proves the death penalty reduces crime, we should continue asking serious questions about our commitment to it. (And might I remind fellow conservatives that we are quick to point out that there’s no evidence gun control reduces gun crime; we should apply the same level of scrutiny here.)…

In some states, a death penalty case can bankrupt a county. Seattle Times writer Jonathan Martin found that in Washington state, criminal justice costs consume 80% of county budgets, and administrators routinely worry about the financial devastation a capital case will cause.

Worse, states pay for the death penalty whether they use it or not. In New Jersey, prior to abolishing it, taxpayers spent more than a quarter-billion dollars on a capital punishment system that, over 23 years, executed no one.

***

No one is immune to these emotions, but we should recognize them as such. The emotional urge to kill as a palliative to disconsolate pain is real and not rare. Does it work? I am lucky not to know.

Rationally, there is no redeeming return on a death warrant. Instead, by condoning state executions, especially under such controlled, calculated circumstances, we are passively complicit in the taking of a defenseless life. We don’t inject the cocktail, obviously, but by our consent to murder — even if we call it justifiable — we are part of the lion’s den. This is what concerns me most.

For the more practical-minded, there’s ample evidence that the death penalty doesn’t deter criminals. And though I’m amenable to the argument that the death penalty at least deters this particular killer from committing another crime, we are still trading one eye for another.

To my own vengeful eye, life in prison is far more excruciating than a 43-minute execution. Far worse is a confined life without privilege or diversion — except perhaps for books because reading keeps the mind sharp, all the better to remain alert to one’s malignant fate.

***

Let’s have no illusions about what we’re doing when the state carries out the killing of captive prisoners. I imagine support for the death penalty would decline rather quickly once heads started rolling…

Even if there’s a case where there’s absolute certainty that the condemned is guilty, the execution still requires an executioner. Insofar as in individual takes on that role, he does damage to himself. (It’s no accident that firing squads are organized so that no one knows who fired the fatal shot.) And insofar as the executioner acts on behalf of society generally, he undermines that most crucial moral norm, the inviolability or sanctity of life.

This punishment isn’t worth the costs it imposes on us.

So let’s bring back the guillotine—and once it forces us to confront the barbarity of needlessly killing people who pose no threat to us, let’s abolish the death penalty. Countries without the death penalty get along just fine, and I don’t think Americans will be able to stomach it once they look it squarely in the face.

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Would Jesus Christ oppose the death penalty if he were present today? According to a recent Barna poll, most Americans think so. Only five percent of Americans believe Jesus would support the government’s ability to execute the worst criminals. This includes 2 percent of Catholics, 8 percent of Protestants, and 10 percent of all practicing Christians. Christian leaders, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, have also been some of the most outspoken opponents of executions. But overall, a majority of Americans back the death penalty…

Christians who support the death penalty often cite passages from the Old Testament that allowed for capital punishment. But Jesus told his followers not to observe the Jewish law that allowed for retributive justice: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also.”…

Many forget that Jesus once served as a one-man jury on a death-penalty case. In a famous New Testament story, an adulterous woman was dragged to Jesus’ feet. The woman was guilty of a capital offense and had been caught in the act by at least one witness. The law mandated her death but Jesus prescribed a different response: “Let whoever is without sin cast the first stone.” He was teaching that only a perfect being—only God—should have power over death and life.

With Jesus’s stark words and example, no wonder early Christians opposed military service and the government-sanctioned killing of anyone for at least 300 years. “Our warfare is to make the dead to live, not to make the living dead,” St. John Chrysostom said.

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Can there be anything Obama does not know about capital punishment? The man was trained at an elite law school (Harvard) and later served as a law professor. The issue has been around since, probably, the first stoning, and nothing new can be said about it. Lockett, after all, is not the first condemned man to die slowly. It took the state of Ohio about 25 minutes — 20 minutes longer than usual — to kill Dennis McGuire last January. We now know it can be exceedingly difficult to kill the killers…

Capital punishment is totally a matter of one’s conviction. There is no science to it. George W. Bush’s convictions were well known. He adhered to a primitive eye-for-an-eye belief that was resistant to reason. As with almost everything — including the making of war — if Bush was comfortable with it, he did it.

With Obama, it’s just the opposite. His convictions regarding capital punishment waver. He supports it, but only when the crimes are, as he said last week, like “mass killings, the killings of children.” Still, his statements are so laden with caveats and conditions that it seems fair to say that Obama, as befits his background and education, would not weep if the United States joined most of the world and abolished capital punishment. We keep interesting company — North Korea, China, Saudi Arabia and some others. This is not our crowd.

Obama’s position may be evolving, as it did with same-sex marriage.

***

The most cynical argument against the death penalty is to point out how slow and expensive the process is. But it is slow and expensive at least in part because its opponents have made it slow and expensive, so they can complain about how slow and expensive it is.

As for humaneness, Lockett’s execution was botched — “inhumane” — in part because Oklahoma had to use a new drug regimen because death-penalty opponents had successfully lobbied the maker of a component of an earlier formula to stop making that drug available for executions.

Some believe the best argument against the death penalty is the fear that an innocent person might be executed. It’s hotly debated whether that has ever happened, but it’s clear that innocent people have been sent to death row. Even one such circumstance is outrageous and unacceptable.

But even that is not an argument against the death penalty per se. The FDA, police officers, and other government entities with less constitutional legitimacy than the death penalty (see the Fifth and 14th amendments) have made errors that resulted in innocent deaths. That doesn’t render these entities and their functions illegitimate. It obligates government to do better.

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the rain is petering out here…
damnit

OmahaConservative on May 8, 2014 at 1:51 AM

…the storm too?

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2014 at 1:55 AM

yup. damnit…

OmahaConservative on May 8, 2014 at 1:58 AM

good evening HA..
hope you are all well

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:01 AM

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 1:51 AM

I wish Cindy was here. She is a big metal head. (No kidding!)

My all time Motorhead fave:

Ace Of Spades

If you like to gamble, I tell you I’m your man,
You win some, lose some, all the same to me,
The pleasure is to play, makes no difference what you say,
I don’t share your greed, the only card I need is
The Ace Of Spades

Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it’s all the game to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split,
The Ace Of Spades

You know I’m born to lose, and gambling’s for fools,
But that’s the way I like it baby,
I don’t wanna live for ever,
And don’t forget the joker!

Pushing up the ante, I know you wanna see me,
Read ‘em and weep, the dead man’s hand again,
I see it in your eyes, take one look and die,
The only thing you see, you know it’s gonna be,
The Ace Of Spades

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:01 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:02 AM

Was he sentenced to Death?

Yes.

Did he Die?

Yes?

Did he get buried alive in a shallow grave after being shot to bleed out?

No

THEN THERE Was No Problem – Right?!

williamg on May 8, 2014 at 2:02 AM

This butt has a butthurt. It’s so truly schadenfreudig.

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2014 at 1:12 AM

Yup, that sounds like Vlad the Impaler grade butt hurt…

oscarwilde on May 8, 2014 at 1:30 AM

I am thoroughly enjoying the Demoncrat rhetoric over Benghazi and Lois Lerner. =)

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:06 AM

evening DS…
you just get here too?..

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:07 AM

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:07 AM

Just walked in the door..:)

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:10 AM

today, one of California’s best growers…
Caymus..

http://www.caymus.com/

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:13 AM

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:10 AM

Kansas for the Cup cars
and
the infield road course at Indy..Saturday
for the IRL cars..
any favs?? picks??..

Trucks are somewhere too…arnt they??

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:15 AM

American Woman

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:15 AM

DS and g2m

Paul McCartney And Wings – Let ‘Em In

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:18 AM

Watermelon…….In Easter Hay…….

williamg on May 8, 2014 at 2:18 AM

its raining from Omaha to Scottsbluff
so OC should be happy.. evening

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:19 AM

evening non-non…
nova..
williamg..
KA2..

hope all is well wherever you all are..cheers.

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:21 AM

williamg, too

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:21 AM

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:21 AM

(adopts Dire voice)

Good evening.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:22 AM

the rain fell mainly on the plains g2m. we missed much of it here in hilly omaha…

OmahaConservative on May 8, 2014 at 2:22 AM

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:15 AM

I would go with Johnson @ Kansas..Castroneves @ Indy..I don’t keep up enough with the trucks..:)

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:23 AM

I wish Cindy was here. She is a big metal head. (No kidding!)

My all time Motorhead fave:

Ace Of Spades

If you like to gamble, I tell you I’m your man,
You win some, lose some, all the same to me,
The pleasure is to play, makes no difference what you say,
I don’t share your greed, the only card I need is
The Ace Of Spades

Playing for the high one, dancing with the devil,
Going with the flow, it’s all the game to me,
Seven or Eleven, snake eyes watching you,
Double up or quit, double stake or split,
The Ace Of Spades

You know I’m born to lose, and gambling’s for fools,
But that’s the way I like it baby,
I don’t wanna live for ever,
And don’t forget the joker!

Pushing up the ante, I know you wanna see me,
Read ‘em and weep, the dead man’s hand again,
I see it in your eyes, take one look and die,
The only thing you see, you know it’s gonna be,
The Ace Of Spades

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:01 AM

That is one of their very best for sure.

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:23 AM

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:22 AM

Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:24 AM

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:21 AM

…hi g2m…was just going to crash…but The Three Musketeers (1948) just came on…and the tunes here have dwindled…trying to keep the peepers open!

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2014 at 2:25 AM

I’m the king of Kansas City, no thanks, Omaha, thanks a lot

Roger Miller – Kansas City Star

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:25 AM

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:18 AM

Good tune..Brings back memories..:)

PS..Good evening..:)

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:26 AM

hope all is well wherever you all are..cheers.

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:21 AM

williamg, too

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:21 AM

……:-) !

williamg on May 8, 2014 at 2:28 AM

OmahaConservative on May 8, 2014 at 2:22 AM

snow on your western boarder..
besides what flows in the Platte and Missouri
flows thru your way.. so you’ll get the water..

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:28 AM

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2014 at 2:25 AM

Lana Turner…!!!..
and that guy named Gene.. the one that dances…

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:30 AM

I would go with Johnson @ Kansas..Castroneves @ Indy..I don’t keep up enough with the trucks..:)

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:23 AM

I like your 48 vote.. chad/jimmy always run well there..

but the 3 car??.. helio??.. I dunno.. Dixon was fast in practice..
and they have never run this road course before
so we have no history to go by..

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:21 AM

…yep…haven’t seen this one …since my 20′s…and I don’t think the 3 or 4 that followed were this good.

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM

“Sometimes We Cry”

Sometimes we know, sometimes we don’t
Sometimes we give, sometimes we won’t
Sometimes we’re strong, sometimes we’re wrong
Sometimes we cry

Sometimes it’s bad when the going gets tough
When we look in the mirror and we want to give up
Sometimes we don’t even think we’ll try
Sometimes we cry

Well we’re gonna have to sit down and think it right through
If we’re only human what more can we do
The only thing to do is eat humble pie
Sometimes we cry

‘Fore they put me in a jacket, and they take me away
I’m not gonna fake it like Johnnie Ray
Sometimes we live, sometimes we die
Sometimes we cry

Sometimes we can’t see anything straight
Sometimes everybody is on the make
Sometimes it’s lonely on the lost highway
Sometimes we cry, sometimes we cry

Gonna put me in a jacket, and take me away
I’m not gonna fake it like Johnnie Ray
Sometimes we live, sometimes we die
Sometimes we cry, sometimes we cry

Sometimes we live, sometimes we die
Sometimes we cry, sometimes we cry

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:36 AM

it also has june Allison and van Heflin… frank Morgan (wizard of OZ)

so it has a strong cast.. its a great lil movie..

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:37 AM

The Guess Who – Hand Me Down World

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:38 AM

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:24 AM

Good evening, my old friend.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:38 AM

Yeah, I know it’s too long. Listen anyway. Or bookmark and be sure to go back later.

JJ Cale & Leon Russell at the Paradise Studios, LA 1979

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:42 AM

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:33 AM

I’m mainly going off team..I have much respect for Penske..:)

PS..I wish Penske could have given it a go with the Saturn buyout..I think he had a good shot at making it work..But what do I know..:)

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:46 AM

NASA Now Streaming Live HD Camera Views of Earth from Space

in case you are daydreaming about living on the ISS..

http://www.space.com/25797-nasa-hd-earth-from-space-video-webcasts.html

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:47 AM

Jimi Hendrix – Wait Until Tomorrow

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:47 AM

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:42 AM

Thumbs up..Good stuff..:)

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:48 AM

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:46 AM

my family has known Roger since the 60′s..
he is very bright.. but he stole my mothers toaster…
and it was a 4 slice one too…the thief..

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 2:49 AM

Dire Straits on May 8, 2014 at 2:48 AM

I thought you would like that one.

I love you tube.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:53 AM

frank and joana

Carly Simon – You’re So Vain

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:55 AM

Cale and Knopfler both have the ability to take a theme and -play out all its permutations, without becoming repetitive.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:57 AM

ms J played this the other day…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLR_bSzPTiY

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 3:01 AM

Cale and Knopfler both have the ability to take a theme and -play out all its permutations, without becoming repetitive.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 2:57 AM

JJ, or John? =)

John Cale – Gun

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 3:04 AM

This is the murderer whose recent execution has thrown liberals into deep despair.

As we all know civil rights are only for nice people. And if the state really really wants to torture you to death it should totally have that power.

How can you guys at the same time wet yourselves thinking the gubmint is going to take you off to re-education centers and at he same time have no problem with the literally unconstitutional actions of cruel and unusual punishment?

Tlaloc on May 8, 2014 at 3:08 AM

that ISS web cam has 23,000K ppl watching now..
with almost 8 million hits already..

are 23,000 ppl that thrilled to see a round blue orb at this hour?

whoever we run is 16 might want to consider
some form of a Space platform..

cuz I can tell you that all of the conservative blogs
put together right now don’t have collectively
23,000 ppl online now…

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 3:10 AM

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 3:04 AM

I was referring to JJ Cale.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 3:12 AM

I was referring to JJ Cale.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 3:12 AM

I was just having some fun. =)

Have you heard this one? My favorite version of it.

John Cale – I Keep a Close Watch

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 3:17 AM

frank and joana

Carly Simon – You’re So Vain

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 2:55 AM

…wouldn’t that ^ be…a lovely couple!

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2014 at 3:21 AM

As we all know civil rights are only for nice people. And if the state really really wants to torture you to death it should totally have that power.

How can you guys at the same time wet yourselves thinking the gubmint is going to take you off to re-education centers and at he same time have no problem with the literally unconstitutional actions of cruel and unusual punishment?

Tlaloc on May 8, 2014 at 3:08 AM

You illiberals always think you’re such experts at defining what terms like “cruel and unusual punishment” meant to those who first used them, don’t you? lol

You punks are all purely emotional and unintellectual, and incapable of realizing it. Only those who already agree with you take you seriously. You’re brats who have never grown up.

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 3:26 AM

…wouldn’t that ^ be…a lovely couple!

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2014 at 3:21 AM

They would make for a good reality TV show. =)

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 3:27 AM

Blind Man

Gotta hit the rack. Good night, all.

novaculus on May 8, 2014 at 3:30 AM

I wasn’t even going to try and explain to that idiot
when you decide to kill someone,
you have also decided to forfeit your rights,
now society chooses what to do with you..

compared to what that little girl suffered..
that clown got off easy…

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 3:32 AM

thanks for the tunes nova…sleep well..

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 3:32 AM

They would make for a good reality TV show. =)

non-nonpartisan on May 8, 2014 at 3:27 AM

…they would have each other’s hands…around the other’s throat…half-way through the first episode!(both of them yelling like Finch… in the Network movie…”I’m mad!… and I’m not going to take it anymore”!)
(:->)

KOOLAID2 on May 8, 2014 at 3:35 AM

in the .. you knew it had to be Florida file..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10814098/marriage-gay-marriage-mac-wedding-computer-Florida-Utah.html

exit question
will Sparky petition to wed his newly painted bandsaw?

going2mars on May 8, 2014 at 3:47 AM

Who writes this crap? Both Willingham and Jones are guilty. I’m sick of this one sided “we report anything the thuglovers tell us to report” bs on hotair.

Blake on May 8, 2014 at 3:56 AM

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. It’s supposed to be 85 today. I have a doctor appointment later.

They are looking for a woman and her 2 year old here. She threatened to kill both of them. Volunteers are searching for the body of another little one. He and his mother were killed and the murderer killed himself. They found her body in the local river but the little boy is still missing.

Sorry to be depressing this early but anybody who feels sorry for a murderer has misplced priorities.

crankyoldlady on May 8, 2014 at 5:09 AM

The morning joe panel upset the gop is fundraising on 4dead Americans….Nevermind the dems do the EXACT same thing

Hypocrites

Morning everyone

cmsinaz on May 8, 2014 at 6:09 AM

The big donors on the left is not in it to make money….the big donors on the right are just in it for the money
-harry Reid

Even the mj crew knows that is total BS

cmsinaz on May 8, 2014 at 6:12 AM

Morning COL

cmsinaz on May 8, 2014 at 6:13 AM

Bring back honest prosecutors and the rope. Problem solved!

Lonetown on May 8, 2014 at 6:31 AM

Thanks Cms for updating on the morning show. I can’t watch that stuff myself.

crankyoldlady on May 8, 2014 at 6:39 AM

Morning COL

cmsinaz on May 8, 2014 at 6:13 AM

Good morning COL and cmsinaz. High today will be 86F again, but a cool trend is coming next week. Watched a school bus being driven like the driver was ex NASCAR. Oldest daughter spent the night and she has gone gaga for Hello Kitty? Well, I did buy her a Hello Kitty clock and fruit wraps!

Time to read the rest of the thread.

Everyone have a good and safe day and hope your visit to the DR. is just routine COL.

HonestLib on May 8, 2014 at 7:02 AM

HonestLib on May 8, 2014 at 7:02 AM

morning :)

hello kitty….nice :)

cmsinaz on May 8, 2014 at 7:05 AM

Good Morning, Patriots! And, Trolls.

The two times the Beltway Elite Republicans actually seem to pay attention to the wishes of Americans in the Heartland is when we melt the Congressional Phone Lines down and threaten their well-paying jobs…and, come Election Time. – KJ

My take: Palin Warns GOP Establishment: “Keep Gloating…No Voting”

kingsjester on May 8, 2014 at 7:14 AM

KJ-

I’ve got to slightly quibble with you. You say the two times the surrender caucus cares about what goes on outside I-495 is when we threaten their well-paying jobs and come election time. That’s one and the same thing. The reason these critters are so accomodating of the enemy’s demands is that they know they will see each other on the cocktail circuit for decades.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 7:29 AM

How can you guys at the same time wet yourselves thinking the gubmint is going to take you off to re-education centers and at he same time have no problem with the literally unconstitutional actions of cruel and unusual punishment?

Tlaloc on May 8, 2014 at 3:08 AM

Multitasking?

HonestLib on May 8, 2014 at 7:31 AM

HN – we threaten their jobs when we stand up on our hind legs and melt down the Congressional Switchboard, as we have done several times, such as when Hillary tried to ran her version of National healthcare down our throats.

That is why they are trying so hard to discourage us.

kingsjester on May 8, 2014 at 7:34 AM

For the children of the late 80s…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8X_DPy9KSU

libfreeordie on May 8, 2014 at 12:12 AM

Libster, sorry I missed you two nights in a row. You mentioned Michael Jackson two nights ago. I used to watch the Jacksons Variety Show and of course remember the big hit ABC.

Fast forward to 1983 and a friend of my told me I had to buy two albums; one was from Stevie Ray Vaughan titled “Texas Flood” from 1983 and the other was; “Thriller” by Michel Jackson which came out in 1982. Very different albums and both were equally good in their own right.

Thanks for the hitchhike down memory lane. Hope all is well and very glad to see you in the QOTD.

HonestLib on May 8, 2014 at 7:43 AM

How can you guys at the same time wet yourselves thinking the gubmint is going to take you off to re-education centers and at he same time have no problem with the literally unconstitutional actions of cruel and unusual punishment?

Tlaloc on May 8, 2014 at 3:08 AM

Multitasking?

HonestLib on May 8, 2014 at 7:31 AM

No, the fact of the matter is that Tlaloc is setting up a false premise and then acting in outrage that conservatives would say something like “that” even though it never was the truth. It’s a standard in the liberal playbook.

Fact of the matter is that the death penalty is not cruel and unusual punishment. That old chestnut is always trotted out by those who try to get off vermin be they murderers, cop-killers, or the surviving Boston Marathon bomber.

But you want to know what is cruel and unusual punishment? Kidnapping, drugging, raping, duct-taping, shooting, and burying alive a young girl. I wish folks like Tlaloc would show one-tenth as much compassion for the victim as they show the criminal. That young girl’s ordeal was far longer than the 43 minutes it took to put down her killer.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 7:43 AM

HN – we threaten their jobs when we stand up on our hind legs and melt down the Congressional Switchboard, as we have done several times, such as when Hillary tried to ran her version of National healthcare down our throats.

That is why they are trying so hard to discourage us.

kingsjester on May 8, 2014 at 7:34 AM

Well, I suspect we may have to go full meerkat before long over some sort of House amnesty plot.

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 7:47 AM

Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 7:47 AM

Yep.

kingsjester on May 8, 2014 at 8:13 AM

I wish folks like Tlaloc would show one-tenth as much compassion for the victim as they show the criminal. That young girl’s ordeal was far longer than the 43 minutes it took to put down her killer.Happy Nomad on May 8, 2014 at 7:43 AM

I was trying to be cute with my multitasking comment!!! Chuckle!

I see the above as two separate events and while it is shallow of me; all my compassion in this horrible death is focused on the young girl and her family and friends.

HonestLib on May 8, 2014 at 9:08 AM

Many forget that Jesus once served as a one-man jury on a death-penalty case. In a famous New Testament story, an adulterous woman was dragged to Jesus’ feet. The woman was guilty of a capital offense and had been caught in the act by at least one witness. The law mandated her death but Jesus prescribed a different response: “Let whoever is without sin cast the first stone.” He was teaching that only a perfect being—only God—should have power over death and life.

Don’t you just love how secular people try to cite Jesus to support their argument, and then completely blow it because they don’t understand Scripture.

Here’s my response…

Actually, this article is incorrectly citing Jesus and the woman caught in adultery. In the case of adultery, both the woman AND man were supposed to be stoned. They only brought forth the woman. Where was the man who was also caught in adultery? Who was the man? The people who brought forth the woman were deliberately twisting the law to use to their advantage (trap Jesus). Is it any wonder that Jesus opposed them?

Also, there is a clear difference between individuals and government. They have very different roles (as defined in both the Old AND New Testaments). In Romans 13, the government is to be the sword of justice, who punishes wrongdoers. But as individuals, we are to forgive people.

Going back to the woman caught in adultery, they were taking the law into their individual hands and twisting it. They were interfering in the province of government, and acting as vigilantes.

dominigan on May 8, 2014 at 10:03 AM

So let’s bring back the guillotine—and once it forces us to confront the barbarity of needlessly killing people who pose no threat to us, let’s abolish the death penalty. Countries without the death penalty get along just fine, and I don’t think Americans will be able to stomach it once they look it squarely in the face.

And I recommend that every supporter of abortion, especially the women who want one, should watch a video of an abortion from beginning to end. No averting of eyes allowed.

Finally, it’s funny how his defintion of execution, “…barbarity of needlessly killing people who pose no threat to us…” seems to fit for abortion also.

I also “don’t think Americans will be able to stomach it once they look” [abortion] “squarely in the face.”

NavyMustang on May 8, 2014 at 10:21 AM

How can you guys at the same time wet yourselves thinking the gubmint is going to take you off to re-education centers and at he same time have no problem with the literally unconstitutional actions of cruel and unusual punishment?

Tlaloc on May 8, 2014 at 3:08 AM

Stephanie stood by the grave being dug for her for 20 minutes. Lockett shot her, but his gun jammed. So he walked back to the truck to fix it, listening to Stephanie cry, “Oh God! Please! Please!” The three men laughed at her.

Then he returned and shot her again. But Stephanie was still breathing — so Lockett told the others to bury her anyway. She coughed as dirt was heaped on her face. She was buried alive…

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2014 at 11:04 AM

I have noticed that some folks gloss over the horrible death of the young WOMAN. In a way I get it because evil exists and folks just try to get on with their lives. What I don’t get is that the same folks will then notice an execution of a MAN that went terribly wrong and be outraged. I am not comparing or equating the two events.

What I am wondering; is there a true “war on women” hiding in plain sight?

HonestLib on May 8, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Must read

Cheers, HL.

Schadenfreude on May 8, 2014 at 2:38 PM

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