Palin: Stop gloating over last night’s primaries, establishment Republicans

posted at 7:21 pm on May 7, 2014 by Allahpundit

C’mon. RINOs can’t do a little high-fiving after their guy (who’s not much of a RINO, by the way) pulled off a big win in North Carolina? Granted, granted, some of the celebrating is excessive, but let’s be real. If Ben Sasse nukes Shane Osborn next week and then Matt Bevin upsets Mitch McConnell, there’ll be fireworks lit throughout tea-party America. Why wouldn’t there be?

Her full statement is at the first link above, but here’s the meat of it:

Congratulations to candidates in yesterday’s small pool of state primary elections who will now move on to their respective general elections. Now, knock off the gloating. The GOP establishment must ratchet any kind of arrogance way down and get in touch with independent, constitutional conservatives who build the base of the party. They do the thankless work to put boots on the ground for your campaigns, and they show up to vote if you give us good reason to vote. Anything less and we will not secure victory for America this fall.

Surely, politicians and high paid D.C. consultants, you realize we all need to work together after these valuable competitive primaries that offer good debate and clear awareness of candidates’ positions, right? It’s extremely off-putting to witness post-primary smugness. Well-funded campaigns that rub a victory in the face of primary challengers’ supporters sure don’t endear the winning campaign to voters who are beyond tired of the selfish political games that have gotten the country into the mess we’re in. Your gloating causes apathy, if not downright disgust, among concerned citizens who want to remind you: “It’s not about you.”

You’re perpetuating an “us versus them” mentality with this gloating. That does our cause of defending our republic and all our freedoms and opportunities no good. Are we not on the same side, standing firm on all platform planks that empower the people instead of growing government? The people you’re mocking comprise the base of your own party, remember? To paraphrase the great Ronald Reagan: Rein it in and humbly learn how much we can accomplish together for America when we don’t care who gets the credit.

I dunno. If I were an amnesty shill, I’d be hugging every illegal in sight this morning to celebrate Renee Ellmers’s victory in NC-2. Pop the champagne, Mark Zuckerberg! Reform is coming. But seriously — there is, most assuredly, an “us versus them” mentality between donor-class Republicans and grassroots conservatives, and it goes both ways. There wouldn’t be a tea party without it. How many posts have I written this year alone about Boehner strategizing to stab the base in the back on immigration? The donor class is socially moderate, supports big business and government cronyism as needed, is very much unwilling to tolerate shutdowns or debt-ceiling standoffs even in a noble cause, and of course is proudly pro-amnesty. Grassroots righties are socially conservative, disdain cronyism, are willing to stand on principle even it hurts the party or the economy in the short term, and oppose amnesty. (Foreign policy is more of a muddle.) The two sides agree broadly on lowering taxes and deregulation; that’s the linchpin for the whole coalition, but it’s a cold peace maintained by sides that see each other as culturally and philosophically suspect. You’re bound to see that on display to some extent after contested primaries. Again, imagine the roars of exultation on the right if Bevin beats McConnell. QED.

If you want to tweak a gloating RINO today, Molly Ball, Matt Lewis, and Dave Weigel have a better way to do it: Remind them that, thanks to the tea party, even the “establishment” candidates are more conservative than they used to be. The entire center of gravity in the party has moved right — not so far right that congressional Republicans are willing to hit the debt ceiling but sufficiently far right that Boehner feels he now has no choice but to appoint a select committee on Benghazi. Tea partiers aren’t where they want to be with their representation inside the Beltway, but they’ve made undeniable progress. That’s a reason for even righties to celebrate today.


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I see “I refuse to endorse. I’m taking my ball and going home. I might even endorse the democrat” happening all the time – from TruCons here on HotAir, for example.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 7:52 PM

I only know of two or three posters who admitted to voting for Obama, and for most other cases, people aren’t in the state or district that is being discussed.

If by “taking our ball and going home” you mean not donating time and money, sure, but that’s our choice. No one is forced to endorse a candidate or work for their election just because they play for Team R.

I remember a few people stating they would donate to Chris Coons if O’Donnell won the primary, but I doubt any of them actually did.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

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astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:08 PM

Oh, this is good.

TinFin on May 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

While Sarah Palin sometimes makes some good points, what’s the purpose of her sniping at fellow Republicans here? What good did she do by supporting Joe Miller against Lisa Murkowski in 2010, only to have Murkowski win in a write-in campaign? Now that there’s a Democrat Senator up for re-election in Alaska (Mark Begich), why isn’t she running against him in her home state, instead of sniping at Republicans in North Carolina?

Steve Z on May 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

For anyone else, none of them endorsed the Democrat and Lugar endorsed Mourdock:

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Lugar makes Senate endorsement … in Massachusetts
October 14, 2012|On the Record, Off the Cuff

Many prominent Indiana Republicans, including U.S. Sen. Dan Coats, aligned their support behind Richard Mourdock after he beat incumbent Sen. Richard Lugar in the party’s May primary.

Lugar, however – though he has said he hopes Mourdock beats Democrat Joe Donnelly in November — isn’t campaigning for him.

“I’ve not been a factor in the campaign, and I do not intend to do so,” Lugar said in September, according to the Associated Press. Lugar, first elected to the Senate in 1976, also criticized Mourdock on primary night, saying, “He and I share many positions, but his embrace of an unrelenting partisan mindset is irreconcilable with my philosophy of governance and my experience of what brings results for Hoosiers in the Senate.

Coats and others have pressed Lugar to get off the sidelines and support the Republican Senate nominee.

Well, earlier this month Lugar did just that … in Massachusetts.

He praised Sen. Scott Brown — the man who energized the GOP nationwide when he won the late Democrat Ted Kennedy’s former seat in a 2010 special election.

Lugar’s reason for backing Brown? He’s bipartisan.

Lugar took his ball and went home.

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Senator Richard Lugar

Mike Castle

No answer yet Joanie?

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Also, who was the older guy who was replaced by Mike Lee in the Utah primary? Didn’t he go pout in a corner?

butch on May 7, 2014 at 8:12 PM

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:01 PM

Not so fast.

I live in Indiana. Lugar is a two-faced, back-stabbing crybaby. He did exactly nothing of substance to help Mourdock.

Lugar’s sour grapes straining Mourdock’s Indiana Senate bid

novaculus on May 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Steve Z on May 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

I live in NC, and this is actually wise advice she’s offering to the GOPe.

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Jayrae on May 7, 2014 at 7:53 PM

His point was a conciliatory one when he argued with the Dem on TV this am that Tillis’ victory was not an establishment victory but a Republican one.
What AP stated is correct: that the Tea Party (of which I am a member)has pulled the Republican party to the right; even if we get raspberries instead roses for our ideas and candidates we keep the Rep establishment watching their backs. I predict Ben Sasse a great candidate who has charged from behind will win the Rep Nebraska Senate primary because of the social conservatives and big name Tea Partiers no matter how much McConnell’s boys’ PAC wishes it weren’t so. We have put up some folks who just couldn’t pull it off…remember Nevada, MO and IN…those were deadly losses we can’t repeat. They were too stuck on social and that’s not Tea Party terrain.

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Also, who was the older guy who was replaced by Mike Lee in the Utah primary? Didn’t he go pout in a corner?

butch on May 7, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Yep. Bob Bennett.

Took his ball went home and stomped his feet.

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:14 PM

Tillis was apparently being ratfscked by Hagan in the primary, and is probably a lot less of a RINO than is being advertised.

If you don’t like my Atlantic link, there’s some coverage of it on Townhall.

It is incumbent on the insurgent Tea Party to make the case *for* their candidates to Republican primary voters, not just that the voters’ Congresscritter of 10+ years is the RINOiest RINO that ever RINOed a RINO, because he criticized Ted Cruz’s tie one day. Strong, good candidates help with this effort. A lot.

Sekhmet on May 7, 2014 at 8:14 PM

I see “I refuse to endorse. I’m taking my ball and going home. I might even endorse the democrat” happening all the time – from TruCons here on HotAir, for example.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Senator Richard Lugar

Michael Castle

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 7:55 PM

Senator Lisa Murkowski

ShainS on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Excuse me, but I’ve said nothing about Lugar. Check the comments again.

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 8:09 PM

Then who are those “establishment!!!11″ types that have endorsed Democrats in the past after losing primaries?

You claim it was, wait for it, “the standard pattern of political behavior in the past”!

Surely you can come up with a few names?

Hint: if you can’t name anyone that is an example of what you believe to be the standard pattern of political behavior in the past, perhaps it’s time you start to worry about your health.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Steve Z on May 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Hey Sparky ponder me this…..

Tom Cotton’s campaign manager, Justin Brasell, just placed more than $100,000.00 in advertising in Nebraska to attack Ben Sasse.

Does Tom Cotton want the Democrats to win? If not, is he cool with his campaign manager attacking a Republican just as he is headed into a general election against the Democrats?”

http://www.redstate.com/2014/05/05/does-tom-cotton-want-democrats-to-win/

idesign on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

why isn’t she running against him in her home state, instead of sniping at Republicans in North Carolina?

Steve Z on May 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

Easiest question in the world.

Because she’s deathly afraid she might have lost. She’s not the commodity she once was in her home state (her resignation didn’t help her at all there) and her endorsement of the untested Miller made her look weak.

Sarah Palin’s strength within the party comes from the undying belief held by her adherents that she’ll one day run for office again and beat the pants off all the challengers. A loss in a comparatively Mickey Mouse race like the Senate would have shattered that facade.

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Why are you people (tinfin, asteroni, et al) derailing the thread with infighting? Is there any legitimate reason that you want HotAir readers to abandon this thread? Or is it that you simply don’t like the topic?

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Steve Z on May 7, 2014 at 8:11 PM

She is doing a much nicer version of the shut the f^ck up and sit the hell down that the big government progressive scum of the Republican party does after elections when they win.

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Rossi lost that race by a narrow margin. Did Didier’s non-endorsement make the difference?

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:10 PM

I already gave you homework.

The nerve of this woman.

I could go back and extract any one of her Facebook posts crowing about the victories of her failed candidates over the evil tyrannical Hated Establishment.

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 7:42 PM

You volunteered to pick through Palin’s facebook posts and prove all her gloating over tea party victories.

Now go. Come back when you’ve brought evidence to back up you can back up your garbage.

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:17 PM

I live in Indiana. Lugar is a two-faced, back-stabbing crybaby. He did exactly nothing of substance to help Mourdock.

novaculus on May 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Now the standard is “doing something of substance”?

Fine enough. What will Brannon do of substance to support Tillis? What have defeated “TruCon” candidates done of substance?

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Also, you want an example of an “establishment” candidate who “took their ball and went home”?

Dede Scozzafava.

At least Mike Castle didn’t endorse Coons after the primary, though he refused to endorse O’Donnell.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:17 PM

So have these two gems changed their minds since January?

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:17 PM

Ooo, oooo .. Someone threw out the ‘Christian’ thang !
Yup, she did.

pambi on May 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Why are you people (tinfin, asteroni, et al) derailing the thread with infighting? Is there any legitimate reason that you want HotAir readers to abandon this thread? Or is it that you simply don’t like the topic?

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Joana = one of us? LOL!

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Fine enough. What will Brannon do of substance to support Tillis? What have defeated “TruCon” candidates done of substance?

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:17 PM

If Brannon is as toxic as his opponents claim, wouldn’t his best support tactic be to just stay out of it/say nothing?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Senator Lisa Murkowski

ShainS on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

The list grows. The Old School party hacks that get thrown out in the primaries (the one Joana gets all angry about when we mention) that won’t help the party when they lose.

Bob Bennett Utah
Dick Lugar Indiana
Lisa Murkowski Alaska
Mike Castle Deleware

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:19 PM

idesign on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

If you’ve gotten to the point where you’re putting Tom Cotton on trial by proxy for heresy, you’re absolutely screwed.

People like Cotton – strong conservatives who are acceptable to the moderate faction – are the key to ultimate conservative victory. And the holier-than-thou jackholes in the movement (the fact that Erick Erickson is in front of this surprises me not a whit) have nothing better to do than talk them down ahead of an election we can’t afford to lose.

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:19 PM

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 7:57 PM

Don’t forget Warner, or is he too senile to count?

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:19 PM

I think someone above asked “who’s gloating?”

This may help what Palin’s referring to:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/06/Establishment-Gloats-After-Primary-Victories

Though it’s probably inevitable, it isn’t helpful. Her advice is sound here, GOP…

cs89 on May 7, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Why are you people (tinfin, asteroni, et al) derailing the thread with infighting? Is there any legitimate reason that you want HotAir readers to abandon this thread? Or is it that you simply don’t like the topic?

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Joana is the HotAir Pinata. Has been for years.

Except it’s not candy that falls out.

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Considering that Snowbunny got used as a floor mop by Bachmann, is she really the person we should be listening to?

Bishop on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

asteroni, don’t feed the troll. What do you think about RINO endzone dancing? Will it lose any chance in Republicans retaking the Senate?

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

If Brannon is as toxic as his opponents claim, wouldn’t his best support tactic be to just stay out of it/say nothing?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:18 PM

Perhaps. Of course, if defeated “establishment!1!!” candidates are so toxic as their opponents claim, perhaps the best support tactic is to just stay out of it, no? Making the complaints, besides fictional, also schizophrenic?

If not, you don’t need to limit yourself to Brannon; you can address this other question:

Now the standard is “doing something of substance”? What have defeated “TruCon” candidates done of substance?

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:20 PM

Really!?! I missed noticing here for years?!? Man, i’m getting too old for this shit.

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Don’t forget Warner, or is he too senile to count?

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Good catch. Oh man. How could I forget. The list is long and growing.

The Old School party hacks that get thrown out in the primaries (the one Joana gets all angry about when we mention) that won’t help the party when they lose.

Bob Bennett Utah
Dick Lugar Indiana
Lisa Murkowski Alaska
Mike Castle Deleware
John Warner Virginia

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

I just talked to someone from NC02, and Repubs there are actually considering voting for Clay Aiken over Ellmers in November.

GOPe has no idea of how much they LOST by yesterday’s shenanigans.

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 7:50 PM

I hope so.

AH_C on May 7, 2014 at 8:22 PM

A Palin thread and that nut, joana, running around like a one legged dog in a park full of hydrants.
Establishment hacks. 2008 and 2012. Your **** doesn’t stick.

TinFin on May 7, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Bumped :)

22044 on May 7, 2014 at 8:22 PM

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

joana, it is no secret that the GOPe has not attacked Conservatives candidates, but deliberately and intentionally undermined them if they thought that one of the good-old-boy candidates of the GOPe was being threatened. We’re seeing that in action now several GOPe candidates. That’s the repetitive pattern.

That’s nothing new. It’s been going on for years.

But yesterday in NC and the gloating that has occurred since then…that’s been IN YOUR FACE SUCKAS from the GOPe to Conservatives.

Why do think people are so ticked off? Then they’ll expect us to rally around their chosen candidate in November, put boots on the ground to get voters to the booth, and donate money…so they can continue berating us (much in the same way that you’ve been doing BTW) and ridiculing us.

There’s only so much of that people are willing to take, and it may be that there are voters who simply aren’t willing to settle for that any more.

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Really!?! I missed noticing here for years?!? Man, i’m getting too old for this shit.

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

LOL. She’s part of the MITT flower girl parade. Defending the Moderate/Liberal Vichy Republicans at any turn.

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:23 PM

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 8:22 PM

“has not attacked Conservatives candidates” should be “has attacked Conservative candidates”

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM

idesign on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Well, I’ll be damned. A real team player, huh? Glad you posted this.

butch on May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM

asteroni, don’t feed the troll. What do you think about RINO endzone dancing? Will it lose any chance in Republicans retaking the Senate?

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

It has not done anything in the last hundred elections. I say let em gloat all they want. I would if we won.
I do think it turns people off of them that are already marginal at best. Like me. I find it pretty hard to vote for the progressives of the party. I am pretty sure I will no longer do so. But being human, I might stumble and fail.

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Then who are those “establishment!!!11″ types that have endorsed Democrats in the past after losing primaries?

You claim it was, wait for it, “the standard pattern of political behavior in the past”!

Surely you can come up with a few names?

Hint: if you can’t name anyone that is an example of what you believe to be the standard pattern of political behavior in the past, perhaps it’s time you start to worry about your health.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:15 PM

Dede Scozzafavva

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Sarah Palin for President 2016 . Crush the amnesty machine and the Chamber of Capitalism . Nuke Jeb Bush , Marco Rubio , Scott Walker , Paul Ryan , Chris Christie , Rick Perry , Bobby Jindal , Rand Paul, and Mike Huckabee .

We need Sarah Palin , now more than ever .

Unaffiliated4P on May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM

Allah,

In my opinion, if (and that’s a big ‘IF’) the GOPe thinks they can take back the Senate without the TEA Party, they can ditch being conciliatory and spike the football, back-slap and toast victories ’til the cows come home.

Let’s look, however, at the various constituencies they can court and those constituencies ‘trigger issues’:

Amnesty- The Left has a lock on this with the Latinos. This, despite the fact that $ can come in to the GOPe from businesses likely to benefit from low-wage workers–the voting block is loyal to the Lefties. Courting Latinos through amnesty disenfranchises conservative republicans and independents–As to other independents, they already lean left on this issue. Result: GOPe loses the voter #s on this item.

Repeal/Replace- The Administration’s lapdogs have been instrumental in getting in front of this with the voters. They want ‘free’. With O-Care, they get free- or subsidized via massive wealth reallocation (taxes!). Businesses have already figured in the penalties (employer sponsored plans will be too high due to unsubsidized premiums–carry a limited plan with high premium, everyone opt for the ‘marketplace’). So, no differentiating traction with business, the Low-Info Voters lean left.

Racism– Well, no matter what kind of economic or gang warfare prison the left puts the Blacks in, they’ll love them Dems.

The three hot-button issue peal away voters from the GOP. They’ll never overcome the demographics (increased minorities in the ‘new voters’) with being ‘Dem Lite’. Tweak the noses of the TEA Party, they’ll sit out…Look at Romney 2012– Rove and his team vilified the TEA Party after they made middling progress in 2010 (see the House, you idiots). Romney played “Left of Bush” and chose to ignore a vibrant grassroots org– alas, he couldn’t surmount The Messiah’s lead.

One definition of insanity is to do the same thing, but expect different results. Does the GOPe understand this concept? Or, just not care?

socalcon on May 7, 2014 at 8:24 PM

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:17 PM

You parse words like Bill Clinton.

You got busted passing BS, and you haven’t got the fortitude to admit you were just dead wrong.

novaculus on May 7, 2014 at 8:25 PM

LOL. She’s part of the MITT flower girl parade. Defending the Moderate/Liberal Vichy Republicans at any turn.

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:23 PM

Eh, there are so many of them… It is hopeless! Well, now that I know she is a long termer, I think I will just try to be strong and ignore her more.

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Don’t forget Warner, or is he too senile to count?

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:19 PM

Isn’t she charming? Such delightful manners. I’m sure your grandchildren are so proud of you.

Perhaps you’re confused -if Harry Reid is, so are you- but Warner hasn’t been a Republican senator for years and was never defeated in a primary.

The crazies are grasping at straws.

There are so many establishment Republicans defeated by Tea Partiers in primaries that endorse Democrats that they can’t find a single one.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Nevada, MO and IN…those were deadly losses we can’t repeat. They were too stuck on social and that’s not Tea Party terrain.

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM

Why mention those 3 that spanned over 2 years and not the 7 Rove-backed establishment candidates that all lost in 2012 alone?

tcufrog on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

John Warner Virginia

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

John Warner didn’t lose any primaries, dopey. He retired after a long career in the Senate.

Don’t let that stop you, though. As long as you’re making stuff up, here are some other fictional names and states you can use to make yourself sound smarter.

Alistair Walker – South Virginia
John Forsythe – Oklabraska
Brad Garrett Jr. – Oregano
Mary McClanahan – Lower Dakota

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Let’s not act like either side of this fight is full of benificent, selfless actors who are simply doing their best to improve the standing of the GOP.

Christine O’Donnell wasn’t running against Mike Castle to pull the national GOP to the right, she was doing it to improve her own brand/career.

Lisa Murkowski didn’t mount a write-in campaign after losing a primary because she thought Joe Miller would weaken the national GOP, she did it because she likes the perks/fame of being a Senator and didn’t want to give it up until she exhausted every possible avenue.

This is politics, not charity. We don’t really have “public servants” or “citizen legislators” anymore, at least not at the national level. Politics is a career choice like any other, and it’s one with a pretty long shelf life if you know how to play it right. Just ask Dingell, Conyers, et al.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

You aren’t too old, it’s just the Dale Carnegie group that only comes out during elections. It’s now time for the big “charm” offense.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

When have you seen that?

I see “I refuse to endorse. I’m taking my ball and going home. I might even endorse the democrat” happening all the time – from TruCons here on HotAir, for example.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 7:52 PM

Cantors chief of staff Boyd Marcus,another GOP operative Ray Allen also employed by cantor, Republican National Committee finance chairman Dwight Schar and Judy Ford Wason, a GOP strategist who worked for outgoing Republican Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnel ALL WORKED AGAINST Cuccinelli and FOR Democrat Terry McAuliffe to beat Republican Ken Cuccinelli in Virginia’s gubernatorial election race.

Project much?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/05/Eric-Cantor-s-ex-chief-of-staff-helped-Terry-McAuliffe-beat-Ken-Cuccinelli

Garyinaz66 on May 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM

What’s that you say Miss Mouth Off at every opportunity? Please.

scalleywag on May 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

It’s okay with me if you don’t want to claim John Warner as a Republican, I never did. But how come you let Lugar off the hook for Georgia?

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM

There are so many establishment Republicans defeated by Tea Partiers in primaries that endorse Democrats that they can’t find a single one.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

HEY dumbazz for the second time:

DEDE SCOZZAFAVA..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/01/scozzafava-endorses-democrat-dropping-ny-congressional-race/

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 7:50 PM

has clay even won yet?

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Bishop on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Sarah Palin is still standing and is the leader of the anti-establishment . The establishment and their drones can try to demean Palin . Sarah Palin lives . Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio are dead politically. Chris Christie is also dead politically . Sarah Palin is a Top 5 Contender and likely Top 3 .

Run Sarah Run

Unaffiliated4P on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Yeah not buying what she’s selling here.

antisense on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Good catch. Oh man. How could I forget. The list is long and growing.

The Old School party hacks that get thrown out in the primaries
(the one Joana gets all angry about when we mention) that won’t help the party when they lose.

Bob Bennett Utah
Dick Lugar Indiana
Lisa Murkowski Alaska
Mike Castle Deleware
John Warner Virginia

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Bob Bennett never endorsed a Democrat.

Dick Lugar never endorsed a Democrat.

Lisa Murkowski actually run as an Indy.

Mike Castle never endorsed a Democrat.

John Warner never lost a primary in his entire life – that you include him in the list shows the worrying condition of your mental health.
And you should be ashamed for treating a WW II veteran in those terms. Pathetic.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

tcufrog on May 7, 2014 at 7:56 PM

I meant WE as in the real we. All Americans.
Sadly, negativity sells and if we actually started treating people with civility once again it wouldn’t be as much fun. I suppose.

mike_NC9 on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM

Go easy on the Cat Lady.

Bishop on May 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

John Warner didn’t lose any primaries, dopey. He retired after a long career in the Senate.

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

So if a Congressman retires instead of getting kicked out in a primary, they have carte blanche to shiv the party in the ribs after they get their gold watch?

If anything, Senators who retire should be far more willing to toe the party line. Someone who just lost a primary might refuse to endorse the candidate who beat them out of pure spite, which is at least understandable. It sucks to endorse the guy who just kicked you in the teeth.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

He’s still a Republican endorsing the current Sen. Warner, a Democrat. Probably thinks he’s his son.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Bob Bennett never endorsed a Democrat.

Dick Lugar never endorsed a Democrat.

Lisa Murkowski actually run as an Indy.

Mike Castle never endorsed a Democrat.

John Warner never lost a primary in his entire life – that you include him in the list shows the worrying condition of your mental health. And you should be ashamed for treating a WW II veteran in those terms. Pathetic.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

No, they just actively undermined the Conservative nominee just so they could claim how wrong “we all were” for nominating one.

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:31 PM

asteroni, My worry is that the endzone dances will bring back the “let it burn” mentality. Were that to happen again, what will it mean for 2016? I’m really bothered by this and I find myself becoming a “marginal” Republican supporter at this point. In my state there is a libertarian candidate for most offices, and if I’m going to waste my vote, I may just vote third party down the entire ballot.

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:31 PM

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

Hey, Munford is a Hot Air regular, not an election year shill. How about you back your shit up and watch your mouth.

hawkdriver on May 7, 2014 at 8:31 PM

How did this congressional primary turnout compare to 2012?….Or even 2010?….Anyone have a link(s) I can peruse that can answer that for me?…Much appreciated….Or should I say — “Appreciated me much”?

tanked59 on May 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

Go easy on the Cat Lady.

Bishop on May 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Sorry it is my Mark Levin trucon tin foil hat going off again.

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

Oh look, isn’t that the same thing KingGold said. Why, it’s almost like they know each other.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

That’s a good question. The information I’ve gotten is from people who live in that district, but I didn’t confirm it for myself. They are the ones who informed me that it will be Ellmers versus Aiken in November for NC02

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 8:33 PM

Garyinaz66 on May 7, 2014 at 8:27 PM

Don’t be so ridiculous. Campaign operatives work for whoever pays them.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

asteroni, don’t feed the troll. What do you think about RINO endzone dancing? Will it lose any chance in Republicans retaking the Senate?

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

If I may jump in. I suspect many of us could live with a majority in both Houses of Congress and Hillary as pres, rather than losing the Senate and voting for an establishment pubbie for president. So, if the Beltway types think the 2014 elections reflect that all’s well,….2016 might be drilling in a dry hole.

butch on May 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM

i tried so hard to forget dededededed scuz but u had to go and bring it up all over again. Hoffman never made it in, did he? What happened to dede? Did she die? Is dede dead?

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

So if a Congressman retires instead of getting kicked out in a primary, they have carte blanche to shiv the party in the ribs after they get their gold watch?

If anything, Senators who retire should be far more willing to toe the party line. Someone who just lost a primary might refuse to endorse the candidate who beat them out of pure spite, which is at least understandable. It sucks to endorse the guy who just kicked you in the teeth.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

I wasn’t making a value judgment on John Warner’s endorsement decisions, though he was well known to have been collegial with members of both parties throughout his whole career.

I was simply pointing out the devil-may-care attitude of the poster to whom I was responding, to whom facts and research appear to be the enemy, and who stated that Warner lost a primary before he endorsed a Democrat.

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Palin’s wasting her time with Republicans. Clearly, they prefer safe, lifetime, politicians who never move the ball. And these two groups can’t stand each other. These are irreconsilable differences. Eventually, she and other conservatives will have to make the hard choice of leaving the party. RINO’s don’t want to have anything to do with us, outside of our votes, and I’m starting to care less if this party gains any control ever again.

Dongemaharu on May 7, 2014 at 8:35 PM

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

The answer is yes

lineholder on May 7, 2014 at 8:35 PM

Why are you people (tinfin, asteroni, et al) derailing the thread with infighting? Is there any legitimate reason that you want HotAir readers to abandon this thread? Or is it that you simply don’t like the topic?

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:16 PM

Oh shut up.

TinFin on May 7, 2014 at 8:36 PM

Oh look, isn’t that the same thing KingGold said. Why, it’s almost like they know each other.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

You and about twenty other posters are falling all over yourselves to say the exact same thing in this thread. Do you all know each other?

And, by the way, the reason we both said it is because it’s an objective fact, one that none of you cared to check before you made your assertions. Kind of tough to put political spin on a historical line item.

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:37 PM

Hey, Munford is a Hot Air regular, not an election year shill. How about you back your shit up and watch your mouth.

hawkdriver on May 7, 2014 at 8:31 PM

Deal with it, little one.

He’s still a Republican endorsing the current Sen. Warner, a Democrat. Probably thinks he’s his son.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:30 PM

Can you please stop making crude statements about a WWII and Korean War veteran like John Warner? Are you capable of showing any sort of respect for those who put their lives in jeopardy to protect your liberty? Your comments on veterans health are one of the vilest things I ever read. You should be ashamed of yourself.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:38 PM

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:29 PM

You’re starting to creep me out. Really, you should go and find help.

pambi on May 7, 2014 at 8:38 PM

i tried so hard to forget dededededed scuz but u had to go and bring it up all over again. Hoffman never made it in, did he? What happened to dede? Did she die? Is dede dead?

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:34 PM

LOL– Just like all the other loyal RINOS Spector, Chaffee and Christ– She came out of the closet and became a Democrat.

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Perhaps. Of course, if defeated “establishment!1!!” candidates are so toxic as their opponents claim, perhaps the best support tactic is to just stay out of it, no? Making the complaints, besides fictional, also schizophrenic?

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:21 PM

Except that a defeateed incumbent has name recognition in-state (and also nationally, for fundraising purposes), and may even have some crossover appeal for indies. Since most “establishment” candidates that are targeted in primaries are moderates, their endorsement could actually help sway independent voters towards the GOP candidate for the general election. Refusing to make an endorsement at all feeds the standard Dem line of argument, that the newly crowned GOP candidate must be so crazy and/or evil and/or stupid that even their own party mate won’t back them!

The party unity card fits in both hands, but the impact isn’t commensurate. Will anybody remember the name of the guy who Boehner just beat in the primary in a month? Will anybody care about his endorsement? Will out-of-state/out-of-district supporters be hinging possible donations on the opinion of Whatshisname McWhoshisface, the unknown neophyte who lost in the primary?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

c

Oh look, isn’t that the same thing KingGold said. Why, it’s almost like they know each other.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

The crazy things that if you point out that John Warner wasn’t defeated in a primary it’s because it’s a conspiracy.

Not a historical fact pretty much everyone who pays a modicum of attention to politics knows.

Nope.

We know each other.

You need help.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Dongemaharu on May 7, 2014 at 8:35 PM

I’ve been leaning this way for awhile now, too.

Any political solution to save the country at this point has to be radical — i.e., cutting large swaths of government/laws/regulations/spending/departments/dependence/et. al.

It won’t be pretty, but the alternative is sure to be bloody …

ShainS on May 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

You should be ashamed of yourself.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:38 PM

And yet….I am not.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:32 PM

You can’t win. She’s completely incoherent.

gh on May 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Can you please stop making crude statements about a WWII and Korean War veteran like John Warner? Are you capable of showing any sort of respect for those who put their lives in jeopardy to protect your liberty? Your comments on veterans health are one of the vilest things I ever read. You should be ashamed of yourself.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Don’t bother, joana. Appeals to human decency didn’t work during the last set of witch trials, either.

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:26 PM

I’d rip you a new one for dissing Cindy, but she is perfectly capable of doing that herself. I suspect your about to get a new orifice.

At the rate you’re winning friends and influencing people, you’re going to be elected Queen of the May.

novaculus on May 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

portlandon on May 7, 2014 at 8:07 PM

Not only that, Lugar is supporting Michelle Nunn the democrat running for senate here in Ga.

Barred on May 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Can you please stop making crude statements about a WWII and Korean War veteran like John Warner? Are you capable of showing any sort of respect for those who put their lives in jeopardy to protect your liberty? Your comments on veterans health are one of the vilest things I ever read. You should be ashamed of yourself.

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:38 PM

Aww look at the crazy shrill woman sticking up for Veterans..

And then you turn around and talk to an actual Veteran like this:

Deal with it, little one.

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

butch, The point is that the Chamber of Commerce Republicans are seemingly trying to lose any grass roots support that they can. Lets hope Hillary keeps talking gun control. There is no way she gets the presidential nomination with that as a platform point. But there are worse Dems than her who could run, and RINOs who seem to always do everything possible to ensure the Democrat would win.

I’m a worry wart.

PoliTech on May 7, 2014 at 8:41 PM

became a Democrat.

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I was kinda right…it’s a terminal disease.

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Don’t bother, joana. Appeals to human decency didn’t work during the last set of witch trials, either.

KingGold on May 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Drama meet Queen

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:41 PM

I actually agree with Allah. There really wasn’t much chance Tea Partiers were going to take down these incumbents. But they could, and did, force them rightward. That’s a win.

Missy on May 7, 2014 at 8:42 PM

I was kinda right…it’s a terminal disease.

gracie on May 7, 2014 at 8:41 PM

Yep, and isn’t it funny that we aren’t supposed to call anyone a RINO even though the GOPe has a long history of switching sides.

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:42 PM

Palin tells it like it is. some people can’t handle that….

idesign on May 7, 2014 at 8:42 PM

It’s okay with me if you don’t want to claim John Warner as a Republican, I never did. But how come you let Lugar off the hook for Georgia?

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:28 PM

I think you quoted the wrong person/time stamp.

astonerii on May 7, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Let me add, though, if amnesty passes, all these incumbents are screwed and rightly so.

Missy on May 7, 2014 at 8:43 PM

Except that a defeateed incumbent has name recognition in-state (and also nationally, for fundraising purposes), and may even have some crossover appeal for indies. Since most “establishment” candidates that are targeted in primaries are moderates, their endorsement could actually help sway independent voters towards the GOP candidate for the general election. Refusing to make an endorsement at all feeds the standard Dem line of argument, that the newly crowned GOP candidate must be so crazy and/or evil and/or stupid that even their own party mate won’t back them!

The party unity card fits in both hands, but the impact isn’t commensurate. Will anybody remember the name of the guy who Boehner just beat in the primary in a month? Will anybody care about his endorsement? Will out-of-state/out-of-district supporters be hinging possible donations on the opinion of Whatshisname McWhoshisface, the unknown neophyte who lost in the primary?

Good Solid B-Plus on May 7, 2014 at 8:39 PM

I think every defeated candidate should endorse the primary winner, incunbent or not, “establishment1!!1″ or not.

As a minimum, those who lose should abstain from endorsing the Democrats or threatening to stay at home and not vote.

Do you agree with me?

joana on May 7, 2014 at 8:43 PM

melle1228 on May 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM

Excellent point, she had no problem with trying (because I know she can’t) insult hawkdriver.

Cindy Munford on May 7, 2014 at 8:43 PM

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