Sen. Kay Hagan doubling down on the bogus claim that her top opponent supports ObamaCare as North Carolina primaries begin

posted at 1:21 pm on May 6, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

The Republican primary to select the candidate that will officially challenge Democrat Kay Hagan for her U.S. Senate seat this November is going down today, and all signs are currently pointing to Thom Tillis, the speaker of North Carolina’s House of Representatives. Via the NYT:

The Republican Party will watch nervously on Tuesday when the first of a series of key primaries to select Senate nominees is held in North Carolina, one of the states where the races are likely to determine which party controls Congress. …

Recent polls suggest that Mr. Tillis has a comfortable lead over his three opponents, but it is not clear whether he can win the 40 percent he needs to prevent a runoff in July. …

The possibility of a runoff worries the Republican leadership. For one thing, it would force Mr. Tillis and outside groups like Crossroads to spend more money on the nominating process, siphoning resources from the general campaign. And as long as the nomination is unsettled, many national groups are likely to withhold their endorsements and money. …

“If Tillis is tied up in a runoff till mid-July, it knocks a few points off his chances of beating Hagan in November,” said Charlie Cook, the editor of The Cook Political Report, which tracks congressional races.

Team Hagan, however, would just love for that Republican runoff scenario to happen, the better to drag out the primary and potentially take her eventual opponent down a few pegs in the eyes of the public in the process. That’s why her campaign has been involving itself in the primary proceedings by doubling down on a deliberately misleading, out-of-context portrayal of Tillis as a supporter of ObamaCare. Via WaPo:

The fliers landed in the mailboxes of Republican voters here last week with a warning likely to unnerve many conservatives.

Thom Tillis, the Republican front-runner for a U.S. Senate seat, once called President Obama’s health-care law “a great idea,” the mailer said. The assertion echoed recent radio ads that also seem to question Tillis’s adherence to the orthodoxy of a party that has made its opposition to the Affordable Care Act a centerpiece of its midterm-election strategy.

But the warnings didn’t come from any of the seven opponents Tillis will face in Tuesday’s GOP primary, where he has been regularly attacked as not conservative enough. Instead, they were paid for by Sen. Kay Hagan, a Democrat who will face the eventual GOP nominee in November.

Hagan supports the health-care law but she is taking the unusual step of spending money on advertisements designed to appeal to Republican voters who are skeptical of the measure. The maneuver is apparently intended to undermine enthusiasm in the GOP base for the Republican who is considered her strongest potential challenger in November.

Just for the record, here’s what Tillis actually said during the February radio interview to which Team Hagan is disingenuously referring:

“The majority of the stuff that is in Obamacare is bad, because it’s not fiscally sustainable. It’s a great idea that can’t be paid for. Let’s focus on the net problem versus a policy that’s creating as many problems as it fixes in terms of healthcare, and then it’s also policy that’s creating the most devastating problem of a deficit that we can’t afford.”

I think all reasonable people can easily recognize that Tillis was just making the point that, sure, universal health coverage certainly sounds like a lovely idea in theory, but the execution thereof through a top-down federal program is neither workable, sustainable, nor affordable, and that it actually creates more and bigger problems than it solves. Obviously. That Team Hagan is trying to square that out-of-context quote with, oh, I don’t know — her actual “yes” vote for ObamaCare — is a sure sign of just how desperate they really are.


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I would be happy with either Tillis or Hagan. Both are more aligned with the center and open to change.

Extreme Moderate on May 6, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Unicorns and rainbow skittles are also “great ideas”, Kay. You’re treading on Grayson territory now, weasel.

John the Libertarian on May 6, 2014 at 1:29 PM

Goebbels loves this scumhag.

She fits right in with Pelosi, Carney, Wasserman-Schmutz and the HA Guinea worms.

Schadenfreude on May 6, 2014 at 1:30 PM

Don’t live in NC, know anything about the candidates, but this news would have me voting for Tillis. Hagan has got to go.

crrr6 on May 6, 2014 at 1:30 PM

So, a campaign based entirely on projection. Might actually work.

After all, Obama got elected the first time on “Hope and Change”. Neither of which mean anything at all and vary entirely from person to person.

And the second time, he was elected on even less. He just wore his Santa Clause suit around all over the country and promised not to stop the gravy train.

So yeah, a projection campaign by Hagan might just be the ticket for her.

Meople on May 6, 2014 at 1:33 PM

A lib taking stuff out of context…. color me shocked!

watertown on May 6, 2014 at 1:33 PM

Perhaps Tillis should respond with factual pro-Obamacare ads against Hagan.

It’s an “assumptive” strategy, as in he assumes a victory today or in a runoff in July – but it allows him to campaign against the actual “competitor” – Hagan, while exposing her as a liar early – which could give him GOP cred and dollar commitments for any runoff. in July and beyond.

Odie1941 on May 6, 2014 at 1:34 PM

O/T I just met,”Little Peggy March” in Paris. Kay Hagen looks just like Peggy. For you young folks she was a one hit wonder in the 60′s.

celtic warrior on May 6, 2014 at 1:35 PM

Hagan sent out an attack flyer to registered Republicans in the state stating Tillis supported ObamaCare.

Hagan forgets she was the deciding vote.

I’m voting for the Tea Party candidate since we know him- Dr. Brannon

Valiant on May 6, 2014 at 1:35 PM

I would be happy with either Tillis or Hagan. Both are more aligned with the center and open to change.

Extreme Moderate on May 6, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Kay Hagan is “aligned with the center”?! Well, I’ll give you that – it’s one elegant way to call a woman “c**t”.

Rix on May 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Look, a Democrat is lying. If I had a nickel…

changer1701 on May 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

This is terrible. Whe Romney pulled the “you didn’t build that” sound bite completely out of context and used it to attack Obama, it failed miserably. Why Hagan is stealing tactics from loser Republicans is beyond me.

urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

But these Obamacare posts are about whistling past the graveyard, by next Novemeber Democrats will be openly running on the ACA. Mark my words.

libfreeordie on December 20, 2013 at 10:14 AM

slickwillie2001 on May 6, 2014 at 1:38 PM

Yet another lying Dem trying to manipulate an ignorant electorate.

paul1149 on May 6, 2014 at 1:40 PM

I would be happy with either Tillis or Hagan. Both are more aligned with the center and open to change.

Extreme Moderate on May 6, 2014 at 1:28 PM

Kay Hagan voted with Obama 97% of the time. You say “she” is aligned with the center? Actually, both of them are “status quo” establishment candidates, i.e., continued spending and deficits, more and more centralized power in Washington D.C., amnesty, etc.

TarheelBen on May 6, 2014 at 1:42 PM

“you didn’t build that” sound bite completely out of context

True Believer™
Together We Thrive™

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM

Romney/Jeb are backing Tillis, Rand Paul and Mike Lee are supporting Brannon

the choice is obvious, despite Erika’s handwringing about a runoff

commodore on May 6, 2014 at 1:44 PM

disingenuous

^ This is a disingenuous way of referring to liars.

Axe on May 6, 2014 at 1:45 PM

All I need to know is that Tillis has the Dems here in NC absolutely frothing at the mouth. I am very proud of our General Assembly. And to see that he’s the one Hagan fears the most is just another reason he’ll get my support today.

GinaC on May 6, 2014 at 1:47 PM

GinaC, why would support the Rove/Jeb backed candidate over the Paul/Lee backed candidate?

commodore on May 6, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Doing what Dems do best – projection.

dentarthurdent on May 6, 2014 at 1:50 PM

I’m a WNC resident and Tillis voter. Hagan must go. But I do believe Tillis has the best chance of unseating her, middle-of-the-roader, or not.

vnvet on May 6, 2014 at 1:52 PM

commodore on May 6, 2014 at 1:49 PM

The libs always show you who they fear…

ladyingray on May 6, 2014 at 1:53 PM

If it goes to a run-off, it goes to a run-off. As a staunch conservative, I would vote for the most conservative candidate on the ballot in the primaries, and then let the chips fall where they may. And, if Tillis becomes the nominee–then vote for him. If the voters of North Carolina then elect Hagan again over Tillis, they’ll get what they deserve.

Bob Davis on May 6, 2014 at 1:54 PM

Commodore, I did agonize for a good while! I guess I just fear that we’re going to “pull a Missouri” with the other candidates. Brannon has a conviction for misleading some investors in a business, and the thought of a campaign devoted to him explaining that away just sounds like a fiasco. Also, he has said he didn’t vote for Romney, and I just have big problems with someone who wants to be the Republican nominee not being willing to vote for someone who would repeal Obamacare just because his person didn’t win the primary. I don’t doubt that I would like the way Brannon would vote in the Senate, but Tillis seems much more tested. I hear all these things about him, but as I said, I just think he’s done a phenomenal job as Speaker in our GA.

GinaC on May 6, 2014 at 1:54 PM

This is terrible. Whe Romney pulled the “you didn’t build that” sound bite completely out of context and used it to attack Obama, it failed miserably. Why Hagan is stealing tactics from loser Republicans is beyond me.
 
urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

 
Dude, this was like two years ago.

rogerb on May 6, 2014 at 1:57 PM

First, she is lying. Second, her obunglercare vote gave America the obunglercare disaster. She is a disgrace to NC, kick her to the curb.

Whitey Ford on May 6, 2014 at 2:01 PM

My heart was with Dr Brannon, but head said Tillis !
Tillis has better chance.
We just need to get her out!!

plasticwolf on May 6, 2014 at 2:01 PM

I voted for Mark Harris, who was endorsed by my local tea party group. He’s a good man. But if Tillis wins the primary, I will vote for him in November. Hagan has to go.

TarheelBen on May 6, 2014 at 2:01 PM

Only two years ago? People here are still whining about Kennedy’s campaign. At any rate, kind of a dog bites man story.

urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Dude, this was like two years ago.

rogerb on May 6, 2014 at 1:57 PM

It is likely ignorant about your reference. And its core beliefs are informed by its moral relativism, therefore the unit will not comprehend any irony or hypocrisy.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM

You can’t spell Hagan without Hag….

viking01 on May 6, 2014 at 2:07 PM

Only two years ago? People here are still whining about Kennedy’s campaign. At any rate, kind of a dog bites man story.

urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Gawd, you’re stupid.

If you’re a member of the “elite,” it’s no wonder this country is in the toilet.

sentinelrules on May 6, 2014 at 2:09 PM

“Whining” about which Kennedy campaign?

The one who killed Mary Jo or the two Kennedys who killed Marilyn?
(not to mention the Skakel creep)

viking01 on May 6, 2014 at 2:09 PM

and

(not to mention the other Kennedy-Smith and the apparent rape in Florida)

viking01 on May 6, 2014 at 2:11 PM

and

(not to mention Papa Joe K and all the Irish mafia and competition bootleggers he probably whacked)

viking01 on May 6, 2014 at 2:12 PM

Dude, this was like two years ago.
 
rogerb on May 6, 2014 at 1:57 PM

 
Only two years ago? People here are still whining about Kennedy’s campaign. At any rate, kind of a dog bites man story.
 
urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM

 

Dude, this was like two years ago.
 
rogerb on May 6, 2014 at 1:57 PM

 
It is likely ignorant about your reference. And its core beliefs are informed by its moral relativism, therefore the unit will not comprehend any irony or hypocrisy.
 
Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM

 
Ha.
 
Nicely done, both of you.

rogerb on May 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

All these folks know is lying…and hoping that repeating those lies endlessly it is the lie that becomes the meme in the voters head at the polls.

workingclass artist on May 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Speaking as someone who does live in NC, Tillis is the Establishment candidate…pro-Chamber of Commerce, pro-amnesty, pro-Common Core.

Turn out is down in my area. Don’t know how well that agrees with turn out across the state.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 2:17 PM

This is terrible. Whe Romney pulled the “you didn’t build that” sound bite completely out of context and used it to attack Obama, it failed miserably. Why Hagan is stealing tactics from loser Republicans is beyond me.

urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Give it a rest. That quote meant exactly the same thing in context as out: nobody can do anything unless the government enables them for success, because roads and teachers.

The Schaef on May 6, 2014 at 2:18 PM

And I wouldn’t worry too much about Kay Hagan.

She didn’t just support Obamacare…she painted herself as Saint Kay the Benevolent providing all-powerful health care to the people of NC.

To say that she went overboard with it is an understatement.

Lots of videos out there that can be used going into the general election.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 2:20 PM

ladyingray on May 6, 2014 at 1:53 PM

Fear or not, they aren’t that far apart in positions. Both of them are big-government people.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 2:27 PM

Fear or not, they aren’t that far apart in positions. Both of them are big-government people.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 2:27 PM

But our big government guy is better than theirs.

RickB on May 6, 2014 at 2:29 PM

This is terrible. Whe Romney pulled the “you didn’t build that” sound bite completely out of context and used it to attack Obama, it failed miserably. Why Hagan is stealing tactics from loser Republicans is beyond me.

urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

Romney told people to read the whole quote because it meant exactly what Obummer said. But since you are so indignant, could you please enlighten me as to the correct context?

Also, the saintly Dems never take anything out of context. Binders full of women! Romney hasn’t paid taxes in 10 years!

Naked Emperor on May 6, 2014 at 2:31 PM

Hey, Kay Hagan. I just got home from voting for your soon-to-be opponent in the general election: Greg Brannon (I hope!). I refused to vote for Thom Tillis, the establishment Republican guy today, but will vote for him in the general if I have to. Anyone but Kay!

ConservativeMom on May 6, 2014 at 2:31 PM

GinaC, why would support the Rove/Jeb backed candidate over the Paul/Lee backed candidate?

commodore on May 6, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Let’s see:

Tillis is a life-long conservative, with a great voting record, who was instrumental in getting rid of Perdue -and being able to build majorities to override her vetoes- and then turned the NC House one the most conservative state legislature of the entire country. Why can’t know-nothings like you attack Tillis with more than babbling “establishment” and “Rove”? He was a model legislator who passed numerous arch-conservative priorities. If Tillis isn’t conservative, who isn’t? And why exactly isn’t he a conservative? The proof is in the pudding.

Brannon, on the other hand, has no record to speak of besides being a former Ron Paul supporter and donor. None. Zero. Glitch. There was also this $$454,631 jury verdict against him for misleading investors. Where the courts find facts like this:

“The civil trial came just as Brannon sought traction for his Senate bid, but it sidelined him for a week as he sat in a courtroom. Piazza, a friend from medical school, took the stand to say he felt betrayed by Brannon. Lampuri told jurors how Brannon touted the investment opportunity during his pregnant wife’s appointments at his medical clinic.”

Oh, he also won’t say if he’s a 9/11 Truther. At least he has some sympathy for the nutjobs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g-u4CCzzTo

“These are questions that have to be asked?” Really?

And he’s a gaffe-prone who has a penchant to say outrageous and over-the-top things. Like, I don’t know, saying democracy is socialism:

“Senator Hagan says we got to have a nice debate and discussion (about gun control) about what to do. See that’s called a democracy which is actually socialism which is called majority rule.”

I actually understand his point -democracy without limits is nothing but a tyranny of the majority, the US are a Republic, etc- but this is simply not the way of putting things. If you want to go around making nuanced points on political theory as a candidate, you need to make them with nuance and sophistication, not as if you’re commenting on an internet blog comments.

So, one one side, we have a guy with financial problems, convicted of fraud by a jury of his peers, sympathetic to 9/11 Trutherism, gaffe prone, absolutely no political record and, who would have guessed, supported by the Democrats.

On the other side, we have the guy who lead the most conservative state legislature in the country.

The TruCon choice? The first one of course. Because herp derp Rove durr.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:34 PM

Glad to see a lot of people in this thread are going with the “I am supporting Tillis because he is electable” tripe and playing right into the hands of the establishment.

Polling shows that Brannon performs better head-to-head vs. Hagan than Tillis does

Brannon is a conservative.

Tillis is an establishment big government rubber stamp.

tcufrog on May 6, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Dude, this was like two years ago.

rogerb on May 6, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Only two years ago? People here are still whining about Kennedy’s campaign. At any rate, kind of a dog bites man story.

urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 2:02 PM

Dude, this was like two years ago.

rogerb on May 6, 2014 at 1:57 PM

It is likely ignorant about your reference. And its core beliefs are informed by its moral relativism, therefore the unit will not comprehend any irony or hypocrisy.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 2:03 PM

Ha.

Nicely done, both of you.

rogerb on May 6, 2014 at 2:14 PM

Not only was “it” completely clueless about Roger B’s reference, “it” contradicts itself by bringing up something from two years ago:

This is terrible. Whe Romney pulled the “you didn’t build that” sound bite completely out of context and used it to attack Obama, it failed miserably. Why Hagan is stealing tactics from loser Republicans is beyond me.

urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

UltimateBob on May 6, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Tillis is a life-long conservative, with a great voting record, who was instrumental in getting rid of Perdue -and being able to build majorities to override her vetoes- and then turned the NC House one the most conservative state legislature of the entire country. Why can’t know-nothings like you attack Tillis with more than babbling “establishment” and “Rove”? He was a model legislator who passed numerous arch-conservative priorities. If Tillis isn’t conservative, who isn’t? And why exactly isn’t he a conservative? The proof is in the pudding.

Brannon is doing better in polling vs. Hagan than Tillis

Aren’t you always the one who says we need to nominate the more electable candidate?

What say you about that?

tcufrog on May 6, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Oligarchs/Status Quo 2016.

Get in line serfs!

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Also, isn’t the TruCons newest thing to claim Rand Paul a RINO and a sell-out to the establishment or something?

Doesn’t that make Brannon suspect too?

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Also, isn’t the TruCons newest thing to claim Rand Paul a RINO and a sell-out to the establishment or something?

We got trucons and socons.

What kind of con are you patriot?

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Also, isn’t the TruCons newest thing to claim Rand Paul a RINO and a sell-out to the establishment or something?

Doesn’t that make Brannon suspect too?

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:37 PM

Cute, but clueless.

Rand’s fall is of his own making. When he chooses to use strawmen to explain his positions (and those on his side), then he loses credibility.

Besides, Brannon is endorsed by Lee.

nobar on May 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Brannon is doing better in polling vs. Hagan than Tillis

Aren’t you always the one who says we need to nominate the more electable candidate?

What say you about that?

tcufrog on May 6, 2014 at 2:36 PM

No, I never say that. I say we need to nominate the most conservative candidate. Then again, nobody has ever praised your reading comprehension.

Oh, and how surprising is that, genius? Really, who would have guessed such a thing? So was Akin! The Democrats and Brannon are BOTH attacking Tillis simultaneously! Wait till they start making adds about Brannon’s conviction of fraud, 9/11 Trutherism and multiple gaffes.

And this is the reason these Democrat tactics work. Because people who are stupid enough to have that kind of reasoning actually exist. They bomb the most electable candidate from both sides, get him down on the floors and suddenly the know-nothings will argue the guy they give a pass is the most electable one. Amazing.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Hagan cast the deciding vote for Obamacare. What a scumhag.

ramesees on May 6, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Brannon is a conservative.

Tillis is an establishment big government rubber stamp.

tcufrog on May 6, 2014 at 2:36 PM

Why don’t you show us the legislation that makes Tillis is a big government rubber stamp and Brannon a conservative?

Also, I’d like to read your comments on Brannon’s conviction as a fraudster and his 9/11 Trutherism.

Time to go beyond talking points. Explain what exactly makes Tillis a big government when the man is fresh of leading the most conservative legislature in the country.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Rand’s fall is of his own making. When he chooses to use strawmen to explain his positions (and those on his side), then he loses credibility.

nobar on May 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM

Nice, but then what exactly makes Tillis a big government rubber stamp?

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:46 PM

If Mark Levin endorses Greg Brannon that is good enough for me.

tcufrog on May 6, 2014 at 2:46 PM

What kind of con are you patriot?

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 2:40 PM

Two horned rino.

RickB on May 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM

If Mark Levin endorses Greg Brannon that is good enough for me.

tcufrog on May 6, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Exactly. That’s exactly the problem. You’re a lap dog, incapable of speaking for yourself. Of course, Mark Levin will never tell you anything about Brannon’s problems – I’m sure you aren’t aware of all Brannon’s problems, from being a convicted fraudster who might have to campaign from the state prison to being a 9/11 Truther.

That’s why you’ll pathetic run away from any debate on the merits and just utter empty talking points.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:48 PM

I’m just here for the abuse.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 2:50 PM

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:46 PM

Do you live in NC? If so, go vote your choice. And let other people exercise their right to do so the same in the manner they choose.

It’s the primaries, for crying out loud. You vote your choice.

In the general is when you usually have to bite the bullet if your choice didn’t win the primaries.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

stealing tactics from loser Republicans is beyond me.

urban elitist on May 6, 2014 at 1:36 PM

…that’s not surprising!

KOOLAID2 on May 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Do you live in NC? If so, go vote your choice. And let other people exercise their right to do so the same in the manner they choose.

It’s the primaries, for crying out loud. You vote your choice.

In the general is when you usually have to bite the bullet if your choice didn’t win the primaries.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 2:51 PM

What’s exactly your point? That I can’t express my opinion on a primary, talk about the candidates strengths and weaknesses? What exactly do you have against informed choices?

Most people here are low-info voters. They have no clue of who Tillis or Brannon are. They’ll just parrot the stuff they hear on talk radio shows. So it’s important to inform them. Of course it’s their choice, but it can be a better informed choice, no? Since when I’m not letting people exercise their right by commenting on an electoral race? The kind of things TruCon stay get crazier by the day.

TruCons are supporting a 9/11 Truther. A convicted fraudster. A nutcase who says foodstamps are slavery and democracy is socialism. Against the guy who lead the most conservative legislature in the country.

Why isn’t there a single TruCon in here willing to debate this case on the merits?

Because Mark Levin told them that Brannon is it, so as the good braindead lapdogs they are, they’ll do as told.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

1) You don’t get to decide for other people how to vote
2) This is May 6th. Primary vote is today. And you’re wasting what’s left of it berating people who might vote for Brannon rather than telling them why they should vote for Tillis?

Tell me who is messed up there, joana

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:01 PM

I trust Mark Levin enough to point to the conservative candidate.

He has written many conservative books. He is opposed to statism and the RINO establishment.

He endorsed Ted Cruz in early 2011 before anyone knew who Cruz was.

He knows what he is talking about more than a hack like Karl Rove.

tcufrog on May 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Why isn’t there a single TruCon in here willing to debate this case on the merits?

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

By using that word you prove you don’t want a debate, you just want an opportunity to call names.

RickB on May 6, 2014 at 3:04 PM

Don’t listen to them!

Listen to me!

For some reason, I believe in my heart of hearts that the world disappoints Obama joana.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 3:05 PM

Most people here are low-info voters.
joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

Way to class up the place by calling HA readers LIVs.

airupthere on May 6, 2014 at 3:09 PM

1) You don’t get to decide for other people how to vote
2) This is May 6th. Primary vote is today. And you’re wasting what’s left of it berating people who might vote for Brannon rather than telling them why they should vote for Tillis?

Tell me who is messed up there, joana

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:01 PM

1) Neither do you. Or Mark Levin. Your point?

2) I’ve told them why they should vote for Tillis – multiple times. Isn’t the fact Hagan and the liberals are desperately trying to stop him proof enough of who they fear? And anyone who votes for a convicted fraudster and 9/11 truther with the complicity of the Democrats deserves to be berated.

Again, I’m here to discuss the merits of the candidates. You’re here to call me names apparently. Why don’t you explain why Republicans should vote for the conspiracy theorist and fraudster who will lose to Hagan in November?

I trust Mark Levin enough to point to the conservative candidate.

He has written many conservative books. He is opposed to statism and the RINO establishment.

He endorsed Ted Cruz in early 2011 before anyone knew who Cruz was.

He knows what he is talking about more than a hack like Karl Rove.

tcufrog on May 6, 2014 at 3:03 PM

Good boy.

TruCons in a nutshell.

Such a good boy. doing as told. Perhaps you can ask Levin to pat your head one of these days?

Levin will support whoever allows him to scream “anti-establishment” and keep his lavish lifestyle by fooling the simpletons who listen to him and Brannon is a 9/11 Truther and convicted fraudster who stands zero chances of winning the general election.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Tillis did not participate on votes expanding charter schools. So bold of him.

nobar on May 6, 2014 at 3:12 PM

By using that word you prove you don’t want a debate, you just want an opportunity to call names.

RickB on May 6, 2014 at 3:04 PM

I’m called names all the time, far worse than that, and I don’t whine about it. It seems TruCons believe they’re the only ones allowed to call names. They can dish but they can’t take. Pathetic.

If you want to debate without name-calling, I’m fine with that – I apologize to you personally for my past transgressions. I’ve written a long post explaining why Brannon is a totally unacceptable choice. Why don’t you explain where I’m wrong?

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Kay Hagan voted with Obama 97% of the time. You say “she” is aligned with the center? Actually, both of them are “status quo” establishment candidates

…um, sin’t a long running status quo the defacto center at that point in time?

Tlaloc on May 6, 2014 at 3:15 PM

Since 2011, the general assembly has blown through a checklist of conservative priorities like an ace shot at target practice. Constitutional ban on gay marriage? Done. Estate tax? Gone. Photo ID for voting? Required. Abortion restrictions, funding for vouchers and charter schools, looser restrictions for fracking, and cuts to unemployment insurance? All are now North Carolina law three years after Republicans took over the general assembly and
installed Tillis as House speaker.

^ Establishment RINO, of course /TruCon

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM

It isn’t always about who the Dems fear, joana. People are different. They approach things from different viewpoints.

But hey, since berating people seems to be your approach of choice, by all means pursue it. You won’t win people to your point of view that way, but if that’s how you choose to spend your time, that’s your choice.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM

Way to class up the place by calling HA readers LIVs.

airupthere on May 6, 2014 at 3:09 PM

What do you call someone willing to voter for a 9/11 Truther and fraudster with no conservative record over the leader of the most conservative political body in the entire nation because “Mark Levin told me to”?

A segment of HA readers are low-info voters. It’s quite obvious. See the comments on this race. They have no clue whatsoever of who the candidates are. They’ll just parrot the same talking points about “establishment” and “true conservatives” they listen to on talk radio.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM

Association with Chamber of Commerce? Position on amnesty? Position on Common Core?

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:16 PM

The consitiutional amendment on gay marriage was a ballot measure.
But as long as you seem obsessed with Tillis/Brannon primary, does this indicate that you’d support McCrory for pres?

nobar on May 6, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Gov. Mitt Romney Endorses Thom Tillis For US Senate

Gov. Jeb Bush Endorses Thom Tillis For US Senate In North Carolina

LMFAO. Yeah, winner winner Chicken dinner.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 3:21 PM

It isn’t always about who the Dems fear, joana. People are different. They approach things from different viewpoints.

But hey, since berating people seems to be your approach of choice, by all means pursue it. You won’t win people to your point of view that way, but if that’s how you choose to spend your time, that’s your choice.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM

If you’re so worried about the state of the debate, why don’t you start discussing the issues here instead of talking about me? Take on your own advice.

Do you think Brannon is an acceptable nominee? Yes or no? And why?

I actually don’t expect you to answer this. Or anyone else here, for that matter. Everybody understands that Brannon is an awful candidate after knowing the facts about him – those same facts Levin won’t tell. But they can’t bring themselves to admit “I was wrong and I was fooled by the “establishment vs TruCon” rhetoric, I need to start informing myself better instead of just believing on whatever talk radio hosts tell me”. . They lack the humility for such a thing. Fearless prediction: nobody will prove me wrong.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/the-gop-has-finally-found-a-way-to-defeat-the-tea-party-20140501

Electability was trumping ideological purity—just as the establishment had planned.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 3:24 PM

There is no God!

I’m sure the media will be just as outraged by this as by the much fairer charge leveled at her in 2008.

Sorry, Kay. Maybe you could pray over it.

HitNRun on May 6, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Association with Chamber of Commerce? Position on amnesty? Position on Common Core?

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

You need to ask? A low info voter, no?

Association with Chamber of Commerce? What does that even mean? Tillis is endorsed by them, as Ted Cruz and Mike Lee were.

He’s against amnesty and against Common Core.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:25 PM

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:23 PM

I’m going to take it that this is your way of avoiding this

Association with Chamber of Commerce? Position on amnesty? Position on Common Core?

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM

What do you call someone willing to voter for a 9/11 Truther and fraudster with no conservative record over the leader of the most conservative political body in the entire nation because “Mark Levin told me to”?

A segment of HA readers are low-info voters. It’s quite obvious. See the comments on this race. They have no clue whatsoever of who the candidates are. They’ll just parrot the same talking points about “establishment” and “true conservatives” they listen to on talk radio.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:19 PM

That’s not what you said up above:

Most people here are low-info voters.
joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:58 PM

I don’t live in NC, but I would seriously question voting for anyone you are promoting based on how you are conducting yourself here.

If your attempt is to persuade people, you are failing miserably.

airupthere on May 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM

Americans have a real respect for flexibility when it comes to athletes and, um, cheerleaders. In politicians? Not so much. Today, the shih-tzu gives us a pretty good look at how flexible state House speaker Thom Tillis has been in his positions on the issues:

• On the federal health care law, the House under Tillis’ leadership advanced HB 115 in 2011 to create a state-based insurance exchange as a way to “protect state-based authority.” The effort died in the Senate, and two years later, lawmakers approved a measure to reject any ties to “Obamacare.”

• On Common Core, Tillis said recently in a Senate debate that he supports a repeal of the national education standards, which are loathed by some conservatives who consider them an intrusion into local decision-making. But in 2011, the House approved Senate Bill 479 to direct the state to participate in Common Core.

• On renewable energy standards, as a freshman legislator, Tillis voted with Democrats in 2007 to support Senate Bill 3, which required at least 12.5 percent of retail power sales by electric utilities come from renewables and energy efficiency programs by 2021. Republican efforts to repeal these standards died in 2013. But amid the campaign, Tillis said he supports their repeal.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 3:27 PM

The consitiutional amendment on gay marriage was a ballot measure.
But as long as you seem obsessed with Tillis/Brannon primary, does this indicate that you’d support McCrory for pres?

nobar on May 6, 2014 at 3:20 PM

What the heck? These people are totally deranged. Since when commmenting on this race implies I’d support McCrory for President? I mean, I can’t even start to understand. Because he’s the state governor or something? Seriously, what’s exactly the thought process that produced that question? I’m actually curious – and admittedly a bit scared.

Some of you need help. You don’t know you do, but you do.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:28 PM

Let’s not forget amnesty. Team Tillis swears their man is not for amnesty. Yet, he spoke to the NC Farm Bureau using some of the familiar ‘code words’ of the pro-amnesty crowd. Tillis has warmly embraced some Super PACs that have campaigned aggressively FOR gay marriage and FOR amnesty. Speaker Thom has also been endorsed by pro-amnesty warriors like Renee Ellmers and Jeb Bush — who has described illegal immigration as “an act of love.”

A source of mine, who has a vote on the floor of the General Assembly’s upper chamber, threw in his two cents about working with Tillis:

“We’d try to get together with him and his team to work together on certain issues. He’d tell us they were on board and ready to work with us. Then, he’d apparently go talk to his campaign folks and find out this position might not poll well in the Senate race, and he’d leave us hanging out to dry. We got hung out to dry time and again on things like repealing the Racial Justice Act. A promise of teamwork up front does not necessarily mean yeoman’s effort to the very end. In the end, with Thom Tillis, it’s not about what’s best for North Carolina. It’s what’s best for him and his ambitions.”

http://dailyhaymaker.com/?p=7839

Read up on joana’s boy. He seems like a total loser.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 3:29 PM

The Republican establishment portion of the Republican Party and illegal cheap labor and amnesty supporters such as the Chamber of Commerce are promoting and funding the campaigns of US Senate candidate Thom Tillis and 7th NC Congressional District candidate David Rouzer……guess why??

The Republican primary opponent of Thom Tillis, Dr. Greg Brannon, scares the Republican establishment with his strong immigration enforcement positions and stand to be a Senator who will not be a puppet. And note that Thom Tillis has also recently received significant campaign contributions from the political fund of Senator John (amnesty) McCain of Arizona.

http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/thom-tillis-and-david-rouzer-supported-by-groups-favoring-amnesty/

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 3:31 PM

airupthere on May 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM

In fairness to joana, I’ve wondered from time to time if perhaps she is a political operative. It’s fairly normal for them to start showing up at political website about this time during an election season. And some of them have had it reinforced into their minds that the best way to sway public opinion is through negative reinforcement.

They base this on the so-called effectiveness of the negative campaign ads that are run on TV and radio…if it works in that media form, then it will work on a blog, right?

Except that it doesn’t, because on TV and radio, it’s mass media. On a blog the interaction is much more personal, and all that constant negative reinforcement manages to accomplish is to set up the backs of people who read it.

lineholder on May 6, 2014 at 3:31 PM

I don’t live in NC, but I would seriously question voting for anyone you are promoting based on how you are conducting yourself here.

If your attempt is to persuade people, you are failing miserably.

airupthere on May 6, 2014 at 3:26 PM

I’m not. And do you know why I’m not: you can’t see a single comment defending a vote for Brannon or defending him from my attacks.

Shame is a powerful motivator. They won’t admit to being fooled, as I said. But anyone who’s read this quickly understood that a gaffe prone, 9/11 Truther and fraudster without a single piece of conservative legislation to his name is an unacceptable choice. And some of them are feeling betrayed for not being told Brannon was this terrible. And that’s a good thing because hopefully the next time around they’ll question what they’re told by their Masters.

I’m not sure why do you see an antinomy between most of the readers and a segment of the readers, but I don’t think that matters much.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:31 PM

The struggle for control of the Republican Party is getting an early voter test in North Carolina, where former presidential nominee Mitt Romney and tea party favorite Rand Paul on Monday pushed their own candidates for the right to challenge Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan in November.

On the eve of Tuesday’s primary, Romney, the 2012 GOP presidential nominee, assured Republicans that House Speaker Thom Tillis is “a conservative” with deep roots in the state. Paul, meanwhile, called his candidate, obstetrician Greg Brannon, a “dragon slayer” and the “true believer” in an eight-person race watched nationally for its influence over the party and the makeup of the U.S. Senate.

Even Hagan, one of the Democrats’ most vulnerable incumbents, got involved in the Republican primary by taking a page out of her party’s political playbook. In a mailing, she hit Tillis, the fundraising leader in the GOP pack, for saying President Barack Obama’s controversial health care law is “a great idea,” even as he campaigns to repeal it. Tillis’ full quote called the law “a great idea that can’t be paid for.” Hagan voted for “Obamacare.”

More…

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I believe that Thom Tillis is North Carolina’s best politician. His knowledge of the political process is unmatched as proven by his incredible amount of Governor Bev’s veto overrides. He will hit the ground running when elected to the Senate and bring home the bacon for North Carolina.

And?

He will represent the Republican Party over the people. Kay Hagan was a disgrace to North Carolina since her election on the coattails of the Obama wave. Whoever wins the Republican primary will beat her. Will Dr. Brannon be effective in Washington, D.C.? Tea Party Nation’s article made it clear that he will not. But isn’t Dr. Brannon the Tea Party candidate? How can Tea Party Nation not support him?

We really don’t need an article detailing the divisions in the Tea Party factions. This primary in North Carolina is a referendum on our future. Will the people vote for the establishment GOP candidate or will they vote for a Constitutional candidate who will act in the best interest of the people?

I have no doubt that we will have two GOP senators after the November elections in North Carolina. I hope that at least one will represent the people instead of the party.

David DeGerolamo

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 3:32 PM

Since when commmenting on this race implies I’d support McCrory for President?

Accusation:

when the man is fresh of leading the most conservative legislature in the country.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 2:44 PM

Since you call Tillis’ session the “most conservative legislature”, it would seem logical to look at the same states Governor (2016 talking point is: more governors, less senators). Would it not?

nobar on May 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Perhaps Tillis should respond with factual pro-Obamacare ads against Hagan.

Odie1941 on May 6, 2014 at 1:34 PM

He did. His ad mentioned Hagan’s vote for Obamacare and her participation in the “lie of the year”. Also how Harry Reid and the Democrats were trying to meddle in the Republican primary. The ad said, “When you hear those sleazy attack ads against Thom Tillis, just remember who’s paying for them.”
I was hearing constant dueling ads for awhile.

lynncgb on May 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

Tillis is a corporate-style, moderate Republican.

In fact, it has been reported elsewhere that he was originally a protege of the moderate North Carolina former Republican leader Richard Morgan.

I see a pretty strong case against Tillis becoming the nominee. Consider the following:

1. As Speaker of the North Carolina House of Representatives, Tillis often has been found watering down or otherwise opposing more conservative legislation that originated in the North Carolina Senate. Or his House might have been passing legislation that was less conservative than what the Senate would pass. One of the justifications we heard was that the re-election prospects of Republican House members from urban areas had to be protected.

2. Tillis has been unwilling to undergo vetting with conservative/ constitutionalist groups throughout the state. In fact, some groups have even placed an empty chair on the platform during forums and debates to illustrate his non-participation. But a very illuminating comment was released by the Tillis campaign on this issue:

We’ll look at making sure the events we do commit to have an ability to reach a broad range of voters, whether that’s through traditional media or otherwise….We’re trying to make decisions now based on scheduling and strategy.

What does this mean? Apparently, Tillis is more willing to undergo vetting through the liberal media than through the state’s conservative/ constitutionalist base.

3. The state’s mainstream media is currently embracing Tillis as the Right Kind of Republican. But if he were to be nominated, they will quickly turn against him and do everything they can to help Kay Hagan. At that point, the state’s media/left complex will be able to pin the recent output of the North Carolina General Assembly directly on Thom Tillis. And they will do this even though state spending has not even shrunk; and even though much more overall needs to be done by conservatives at the state level.

4. Tillis originally supported the idea of establishing an Obamacare state-based insurance exchange in North Carolina. His people now claim that later information led him to change his position. But in fact, information about the damaging nature of the state-based exchanges was quite available much earlier. What had been happening in the state of North Carolina at the time Tillis was supporting the exchange? The state’s pharmaceutical industry, hospital industry and the North Carolina Chamber of Commerce were all pushing for it.

5. Recently published information suggests that Tillis possesses an erroneous, passive stance toward opposing those who misuse the United States Constitution. After reading his statement, it makes me feel that he will quickly fold when there is a battle that needs to be fought regarding federal over-reach. This is a historic moment when our nation’s constitutional republic has been lost; when our nation has taken a sharp left turn, and adopted socialism; and when the culture has also been nearly lost. In addition, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is spending $50 million to defeat Tea Party-aligned candidates. Even the nation’s corporate community is leaning heavily toward socialism and secular relativism! This is not an environment in which we should elect politicians who will reflexively surrender. Instead, we need someone who is willing to fight hard and to take risks.

6. Tillis has embraced tolls on North Carolina’s interstate highways. I think if the people knew about this, it would be politically radioactive. How many people really want this?

7. A fundraiser for Tillis was hosted by the leader of a lending corporation that had an interest in legislation protecting that industry at the state level. The bill had been passed only a week earlier.

8. The Daily Haymaker has done some yeoman’s work uncovering various special interest connections with lobbyists, law firms, and certain corporations. Examples?

His alliance with former Speaker Harold Brubaker, and support of his lobbying clients in the beer wholesaling and home health industries. There was also work to support broad exemptions from E-Verify. This would enable the importation of seasonal foreign workers, and assist another client.
Another Brubaker client, a coastal environmental concern, fights for extra protections that would hurt the fishing industry in eastern North Carolina; and has apparently had some success.
Clients of a Massachusetts law firm owned by Tillis’ kin have apparently done quite well in Raleigh.
Large, “shadowy” super-PAC donations have come from those with interests in automobile dealerships; and also energy/telecom. Other large donations have come from those with interests in commercial real estate, the pharmaceutical industry and various lobbyists. (In Greensboro, we saw the help he got from real estate magnate Roy Carroll.)
Tesla, represented by his brother-in-law’s firm, was a beneficiary of efforts to kill certain legislation; a company represented by his father-in-law benefits from highway tolls advocated by Tillis; and Tillis apparently supported Time Warner Cable (a client of his brother-in-law’s firm) over a small local provider. Tillis also favored incentives for out-of-state moviemakers, and received large contributions from them.
9. A scandal that occurred a couple of years ago raised lots of questions. Two of Tillis’ staff members– including one with whom he shared an apartment– were discovered to have had “inappropriate relationships” with lobbyists.

10. We need to motivate the state’s conservative/ constitutionalist base to work and donate and turn out in this senatorial election. Remember that, in order to win, a sharp contrast with the awful Kay Hagan would be most helpful. Tillis will not credibly provide the strong contrast with Hagan that would most effectively motivate North Carolina’s conservative base.

Overall, I think our state can do much better than Thom Tillis. It is imperative that North Carolina conservatives and constitutionalists bypass Tillis’ candidacy, and settle on a better candidate in the primary. “More of the same” in Washington will not be sufficient to reverse our nation’s disastrous decline.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 3:35 PM

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:31 PM

Good on you for sticking to your guns.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, so I was simply pointing out my negative perception of you. I think a majority here would likely agree with me.

You attack fellow conservatives like Clintons attack Bill’s sexual assault victims.

Just keep at it. I’m sure all these low information voters will come around.

airupthere on May 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM

Since you call Tillis’ session the “most conservative legislature”, it would seem logical to look at the same states Governor (2016 talking point is: more governors, less senators). Would it not?

nobar on May 6, 2014 at 3:33 PM

It doesn’t even make sense to think of McCrory as a presidential candidate in 2016. And I don’t care for talking points. Talking points are for lemmings.

Down the road, sure, I could see myself supporting McCrory in a presidential election – surely in the general. He’s the kind of guy who gets conservative things passed while being able to attract centrist voters.

joana on May 6, 2014 at 3:44 PM

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