MSNBC host: No, seriously, “Animal Farm” is about corporate plutocracy, sort of

posted at 9:01 pm on May 6, 2014 by Allahpundit

Via Twitchy and Mediaite, which has a transcript in case the thought of sitting through even three minutes of this on video is too much. Last week she claimed that “Animal Farm” was about fatcat capitalist vampires keeping the working man down; this week she acknowledges that it’s technically about communism, but now that the commies are all gone, the book can safely be repurposed for other leftish ends. Because if there’s one thing George Orwell stood for, it’s distorting the plain meaning of words to advance your collectivist political agenda.

He wrote another book in which that theme figured prominently, in fact. “1984,” about the horrors of libertarianism.

At its heart, Animal Farm is about tyranny and the likelihood of those in power to abuse that power. It’s clear that tendency is not only found in the Soviet communist experience. In fact, if you read Animal Farm today, it seems to warn not of some now non-existent communist threat but of the power concentrated in the hands of the wealthy elites and corporations…

As new research shows that we already live a sort of oligarchy that the preferences of the masses literally do not matter and that the only thing that counts is the needs and desires of the elites, Animal Farm is a useful cautionary tale warning of the corruption of concentrated power, no matter in whose hands that power rests.

No, it’s really not, and if it were it wouldn’t be remembered. “Concentrated power is dangerous” is so prosaic an “insight” that it barely qualifies as one. The special insight of “Animal Farm” is that utopian left-wing solutions to concentrated power can and will produce even more dangerous concentrations. In the name of “progress” and “equality,” the utopians end up building a system more oppressive than the one it replaced. That this book is being used on this network to obscure that point rather than illuminate it is itself Orwellianism 101. Coming soon to MSNBC: A disquisition on how “Fahrenheit 451″ reminds us that some speech is dangerous and should probably be banned as hate crimes.

And now that we’re done with that, I’m going to send you over to Twitter to spend some time with “Krystal Ball’s Book Club.” Exit quotation from C.J. Ciaramella: “Animal Farm might be the worst analogy for the problems of late capitalism. A better example might be that our system has produced someone with the critical reading skills of a potato, and then allowed her to rise to the position of a national TV news host, mostly by virtue of her membership in the entrenched political class.”


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Didn’t Krystal Ball win the Adult Video Producers Star of the Year award a couple of years ago?

platypus on May 6, 2014 at 9:03 PM

She is incredibly dumb, and incapable of admitting she’s wrong, which is why she keeps digging. A perfect Obama supporter, iow. She could fill in nicely for Carney if he ever leaves.

non-nonpartisan on May 6, 2014 at 9:03 PM

What an idiot.

KMC1 on May 6, 2014 at 9:04 PM

1984 = the horrors of libertarianism.

Well done, AP.

rbj on May 6, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Because if there’s one thing George Orwell stood for, it’s distorting the plain meaning of words to advance your collectivist political agenda.

Heh.

Good stuff, AP …

ShainS on May 6, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Translation: I will contort any fact to suit my purpose, which is to twist reality to appear that I’m not as dense as a post and shallow as a dish pan, and wasn’t completely wrong about the meaning and intent of ‘Animal Farm’, never having actually, you know, read the book.

thatsafactjack on May 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Animal Farm is a useful cautionary tale warning of the corruption of concentrated power, no matter in whose hands that power rests.

Your check is signed by MSNBC, as in “Microsoft” and “National Broadcasting Company”, not exactly small entities in their particular fields.

If you plan on being an attractive airhead then at least have the decency to flip the top for a string of beads.

Bishop on May 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM

No, it’s really not, and if it were it wouldn’t be remembered. “Concentrated power is dangerous” is so prosaic an “insight” that it barely qualifies as one. The special insight of “Animal Farm” is that utopian left-wing solutions to concentrated power can and will produce even more dangerous concentrations. In the name of “progress” and “equality,” the utopians end up building a system more oppressive than the one it replaced. That this book is being used on this network to obscure that point rather than illuminate it is itself Orwellianism 101. Coming soon to MSNBC: A disquisition on how “Fahrenheit 451″ reminds us that some speech is dangerous and should probably be banned as hate crimes.

Just when you think you don’t like AP, he goes and writes something like this. Very good indeed, AP. Bravo.

ddrintn on May 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM

…hate to use the term “Dumb Broad”…but hey!

KOOLAID2 on May 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM

I stopped reading at “MSNBC host:“.

listens2glenn on May 6, 2014 at 9:08 PM

Doubling-down on stupid.

Next up from Krystal: “1984 is a parable about the evils of IBM’s Big Blue supercomputer …”

ShainS on May 6, 2014 at 9:10 PM

See what happens when you take away a bimbo’s pole ?

burrata on May 6, 2014 at 9:12 PM

I think she gets her literary insights through twitter and cocktail party chatter. You really can’t blame her. Those fat cat capitalists pay her to remain insipid.

thatsafactjack on May 6, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Plutocracy mouthpiece whining about plutocracy?

MSLSD, you smoke some good choom.

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 9:12 PM

Next up from Krystal: “1984 is a parable about the evils of IBM’s Big Blue supercomputer …”

ShainS on May 6, 2014 at 9:10 PM

Next up from Krystal: ” Gone With The Wind”
is about Bush killing black people with Hurricane Katrina

burrata on May 6, 2014 at 9:14 PM

Just when you think you don’t like AP, he goes and writes something like this. Very good indeed, AP. Bravo.

ddrintn on May 6, 2014 at 9:07 PM

Even shooting fish in a barrel, his aim is exquisite.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:14 PM

I would have dated her. Back in the day. I think if kept busy she wouldn’t say such stupid stuff.

butch on May 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Leif ‏@Funkorific 4h

@lachlan Jaws: A tale of a shark who learns to laugh and love with the inhabitants of a New England beach community. #KrystalBallBookClub

Neal ‏@Neal_Dewing 4h

“The Stand,” an important, inspirational tale of how humanity finally solves the problem of overpopulation #KrystalBallBookClub

Funny stuff.

Southernblogger on May 6, 2014 at 9:20 PM

While it’s refreshing to see a change from the cynical misappropriation of Orwell’s indictment of Stalinism, Ball’s analysis is not especially sophisticated.

A much more detailed and serious debunking of the right wing lie that Animal Farm is anticommunist was given by Andy Reiss in 1999.

An excerpt:

Orwell’s book is a skilful metaphor about the degeneration of the Soviet Union which accords in many respects to Trotsky’s analysis. Thus when Snowball (that is, Trotsky) after the great battle demands that pigeons are sent to neighbouring farms—to bring about revolutions there as well—Napoleon (Stalin) disagrees. This refers to Trotsky’s insistence on world revolution, to which Stalin opposed his concept of “Socialism in one country”.

Read the whole thing at:

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/11/anim-n12.html

Trotsky on May 6, 2014 at 9:20 PM

I can’t believe this blithering idiot made it through UVA. Mr Jefferson must be spinning at roughly 500 rpm.

Slab Bulkhead on May 6, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Doubling-down on stupid.

Next up from Krystal: “1984 is a parable about the evils of IBM’s Big Blue supercomputer …”

ShainS on May 6, 2014 at 9:10 PM

MSNBC host’s lefty spin on Orwell’s ‘Animal Farm’ inspires formation of #KrystalBallBookClub

non-nonpartisan on May 6, 2014 at 9:24 PM

More like, Krystal extremely Lyte.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 9:24 PM

Workers Struggles, reporting from picket lines across the world, and inviting workers to write in about their experiences

lol

Murphy9 on May 6, 2014 at 9:25 PM

Next up from Krystal: ” Gone With The Wind”
is about Bush killing black people with Hurricane Katrina

burrata on May 6, 2014 at 9:14 PM

That’s good … ;-)

Funny stuff.

Southernblogger on May 6, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Yep. My fave so far:

Ryan Renfro ‏@Ryan_Renfro 10m

The Chronicles of Narnia – a masterpiece of Islamic allegory. #KrystalBallBookClub

ShainS on May 6, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Orwell’s book is a skilful metaphor about the degeneration of the Soviet Union which accords in many respects to Trotsky’s analysis. Thus when Snowball (that is, Trotsky) after the great battle demands that pigeons are sent to neighbouring farms—to bring about revolutions there as well—Napoleon (Stalin) disagrees. This refers to Trotsky’s insistence on world revolution, to which Stalin opposed his concept of “Socialism in one country”.

Read that again, and remember, Trotsky was the one who was killed.

That’s the point.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Trotsky on May 6, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Right. Directly from a socialist website.

Barred on May 6, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Because if there’s one thing George Orwell stood for, it’s distorting the plain meaning of words to advance your collectivist political agenda.

That’s…Just…Great! Says it all.

Rancher on May 6, 2014 at 9:30 PM

COME ON ALLAH PUNDIT…

DON’T YOU KNOW THAT “ANIMAL FARM” IS A BREATHING DOCUMENT?

Just like the Constitution it can be interpreted to mean whatever goes through a person like Krystal’s head…

Washington Fancy on May 6, 2014 at 9:31 PM

I would have dated her. Back in the day. I think if kept busy she wouldn’t say such stupid stuff.

butch on May 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM

She still would have. Only not as often. =)

non-nonpartisan on May 6, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Fox News ✔ @FoxNews

BREAKING: Thom Tillis, the North Carolina House speaker, wins the state’s Republican Senate primary.

CoffeeLover on May 6, 2014 at 9:32 PM

Krystal Ball: Ronald Reagan was really for communism, sorta.

terryannonline on May 6, 2014 at 9:32 PM

dude, but she’s so Hott!

beselfish on May 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM

OOPS OT should be on other thread :(

CoffeeLover on May 6, 2014 at 9:33 PM

The Cat in the Hat was clearly a cautionary tale about how climate change will lead to destructive influences in society.

malclave on May 6, 2014 at 9:34 PM

Trotsky on May 6, 2014 at 9:20 PM

While cynically misappropriating Animal Farm as Orwell’s indictment of Communism, I also have understood Snowball to be Trotsky. And a loser. That’s Orwell’s point: a Napoleon will win every time (think that name, taken from the true heir of the French Revolution, and used for Stalin was an accident?). Ergo, Stalinism IS Communism– historically, in Orwell’s fable, and inevitably under any conceivable circumstance. The Revolution always eats its children. The (cute fluffy white) Snowballs always lose to the cynical, scheming, co-opters-of-every-revolution: the Napoleons.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:35 PM

non-existent communist threat

Probably the most effective meme that the Communists themselves have developed over the last century. Even most Conservatives view the John Birch Society as a bunch of conspiracy theorist kooks, and many also feel that Senator McCarthy was a raving lunatic out to further his own political career through hysteria mongering and hyperbole.

And now we have Barack Hussein Obama in the White House for two terms.

Thank you, thank you all you level-headed normalcy biased sheeple out there, both past and present.

Still waiting for that “pendulum” to swing back the other way. Still waiting for the reincarnation of Ike or Ronnie. Still waiting for the hands of the clock to start spinning backwards and we’ll celebrate with cookouts on the lawn, rock ‘n roll and lots of beer with the BIG GAME playing on the color tee vee.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 6, 2014 at 9:35 PM

That’s the point.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 9:27 PM

Should have just re-posted yours.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM

MSNBC should just stick to insulting Mexicans. That’s a winning strategy at which they excel.

Philly on May 6, 2014 at 9:36 PM

Well that is what her communist teachers told her and student for 60 years, so it must be true.

tjexcite on May 6, 2014 at 9:38 PM

I don’t think she read the book to understand anything, other than what the teleprompter told her.

A nothing story.

upinak on May 6, 2014 at 9:38 PM

” It takes a village ” is a book about how many people it takes to get the Mooch ready every morning

burrata on May 6, 2014 at 9:39 PM

The arrogant smugness is what gets me.

You know damned well she never read it.

wolly4321 on May 6, 2014 at 9:42 PM

I wonder how our illustrious hosts feel about the new troll spamming about his glorious socialist workers’ website on their dime.

CurtZHP on May 6, 2014 at 9:42 PM

Let’s not even ask what she makes of Moby Dick.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Sigh. So much stupid.

Just a few things pop off my head.

1) Is she saying that Mitt Romney is really the President? Cuz that would be a huge deal.

2) Corporations (read: The Kooooooch brothers) couldn’t run the country under some regime without a big government. I’m not quite sure which nuanced point she’s getting at when she warns that corporations can be just as bad as big government. Watch out people. Target might start collecting taxes on your property.

3) The jab at Frank Luntz was just lolzy. Proves she doesn’t have a clue what she’s talking about.

chris0christies0donut on May 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Next up from Krystal: ” Gone With The Wind”
is about Bush killing black people with Hurricane Katrina

burrata on May 6, 2014 at 9:14 PM

With spike lee making the remake :)…

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Let’s not even ask what she makes of Moby Dick.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Why does it have to be a white whale? Is this a book that is safe for kids? Should we ban it due to the violence of fiction? What do you mean that Moby Dick is based on a factual story? You mean it isn’t like animal farm, where the whales are libertarians going after the sailors who are the corporations?

/

upinak on May 6, 2014 at 9:45 PM

Ciamarella’s comment about Krystal’s skills compared to potatoes is insulting and demeaning.

No potato should endure the indignity of being compared to an anencephalic organism like the execrable talking head in question.

orangemtl on May 6, 2014 at 9:46 PM

And…

“the Lord of the Flies” is about “how moral absolutism leads to juvenile delinquency.”

“the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe” is “how Christianity harms the environment by causing climate change.”

“the Lord of the Rings” is about inequality, symbolized by the callous discarding of precious jewelry. “Let them eat lembas!”

RockinRickOwen on May 6, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Krystal Ball? You’re kidding, right?

Cleombrotus on May 6, 2014 at 9:46 PM

someone with the critical reading skills of a potato

LMAO!

With apologies to potatoes!

GarandFan on May 6, 2014 at 9:48 PM

While cynically misappropriating Animal Farm as Orwell’s indictment of Communism, I also have understood Snowball to be Trotsky. And a loser. That’s Orwell’s point: a Napoleon will win every time (think that name, taken from the true heir of the French Revolution, and used for Stalin was an accident?). Ergo, Stalinism IS Communism– historically, in Orwell’s fable, and inevitably under any conceivable circumstance. The Revolution always eats its children. The (cute fluffy white) Snowballs always lose to the cynical, scheming, co-opters-of-every-revolution: the Napoleons.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:35 PM

You are correct to admit to being cynical and dishonest here. Yes, Trotsky lost. His error was to underestimate the threat from within until it was too late. But the fact that the revolution was betrayed once does not mean such a betrayal is inevitable. Quite the contrary, with the guidance of parties such as the SEP, and our educational resources (found through wsws.org), the working class is unlikely to be caught off guard again.

Finally, your attempt to mock Trotskyism as some naive idealism is laughable in the face of the historical record. When faced with the intransigence of Tsarist and later capitalist reaction, Lenin and Trotsky knew what needed to be done and were not afraid to do it.

Trotsky on May 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Let’s not even ask what she makes of Moby Dick.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

What Mooch calls her ” battery operated” friend ?

burrata on May 6, 2014 at 9:52 PM

“Well, Conservatives lost their minds over that.”

I especially like the part where she says “profundity”…it’s cute…like she almost knows what that means.

I noticed she manages to call business leaders and conservatives “Pigs” at the end…wow; how very droll and clever.

Anyone that can misconstrue ‘Animal Farm’ in any way should be put to sleep,
and this is the weakest stretch in history to appear smart while defending a Galactically stupid analogy.

And the f*cking LAST person I ever need to be lectured by, on the dangers of tyranny, is a witless, split-tail, adult film reject, that spends her days in servitude of a tyrannical state that would make Leni Reifenstahl blush.

This vapid tw*t is clearly, blissfully free of the ravages of thought, and wouldn’t know a mind if she accidentally sucked one down her throat…while making a buck the hard way.

a5minmajor on May 6, 2014 at 9:53 PM

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:35 PM

True. Revolutionaries don’t tolerate revolution against themselves. And neither do opportunists like Bonaparte.

But the great myth concerning revolution is the idea of the Patriot. It just depends on what side of the fence you’re on, and who wins. Our own government would not tolerate armed (or even civil and economic) insurrection anymore than did the Parliament in London…we clearly saw that in the Civil War.

At some point, the oppressed always becomes the oppressor. Our own Founding Fathers, great men that they were, were careful not to allow us too much freedom. The yoke of the Enlightenment is easy, but it’s still there around our necks.

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 6, 2014 at 9:55 PM

Oh, I’d also like to see a match between her and SE Cupp.

…lol…I can’t even keep a straight face long enough to write the dirty part of this post…

a5minmajor on May 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM

She’s cute, so I forgive her stupidity.

lorien1973 on May 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM

Is this Trotsky poster serious? lol

non-nonpartisan on May 6, 2014 at 9:57 PM

You are correct to admit to being cynical and dishonest here.

Trotsky on May 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM

I refuse to use /sarc tags. You’re just going to have to acquire a sense of irony and humor. Something for which communists are not particularly noted. (Although we all loved Stalin’s knee-slapper: “And how many divisions does the Pope have?” uttered mere half-century before the spiritual father of a two-centuries old institution played his part in bringing down Stalin’s 70-year-old empire.)

Yes, Trotsky lost. His error was to underestimate the threat from within until it was too late. But the fact that the revolution was betrayed once does not mean such a betrayal is inevitable.

Yes, it is. Every time in history we’ve seen it.

Quite the contrary, with the guidance of parties such as the SEP, and our educational resources (found through wsws.org), the working class is unlikely to be caught off guard again.

Right on! What working class are you talking about, btw? The classic Marxist working class is well-nigh extinct.

Finally, your attempt to mock Trotskyism as some naive idealism is laughable in the face of the historical record. When faced with the intransigence of Tsarist and later capitalist reaction, Lenin and Trotsky knew what needed to be done and were not afraid to do it.

And Trotsky’s assassin knew right where to plunge the ice pick. Trotsky was a dead man the moment he met Lenin. But I’m not laughing. Merely shaking my head, sadly, at the naiveté of his even less-intelligent and accomplished acolytes.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:58 PM

Let’s not even ask what she makes of Moby Dick.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

that Ahab’s chase is metaphor of the war on terror :) and the attempts to pursue an apparently uncatchable enemy, a story designed to reflect America’s imperial ventures, the getting of the oil that lit and lubricate the Western world :)….or maybe she’ll link it to the moratorium on the hunting of great whales :)…

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Dirty balls.

TinFin on May 6, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Is this Trotsky poster serious? lol

non-nonpartisan on May 6, 2014 at 9:57 PM

I find his neo-communist honesty endearing. Wish more liberals were more open with their true beliefs.

lorien1973 on May 6, 2014 at 10:01 PM

And the f*cking LAST person I ever need to be lectured by, on the dangers of tyranny, is a witless, split-tail, adult film reject, that spends her days in servitude of a tyrannical state that would make Leni Reifenstahl blush.

a5minmajor on May 6, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Were you talking about Krystal or Trotsky? ;-)

ShainS on May 6, 2014 at 10:02 PM

Let’s not even ask what she makes of Moby Dick.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Her and I did go out on a date once.

Wait. What?

lorien1973 on May 6, 2014 at 10:02 PM

She’s cute, so I forgive her stupidity.

lorien1973 on May 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM

There are valid uses for decent looking airheaded bimbos – but news “reporter” isn’t one of them.

dentarthurdent on May 6, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Wow. My kids and I just had a laugh together at the stupidity on display with this chick. It’s clear she has never read the book.

Ellis on May 6, 2014 at 10:06 PM

He wrote another book in which that theme figured prominently, in fact. “1984,” about the horrors of libertarianism.

I so wanna be Allahpundit when I grow up…

JohnGalt23 on May 6, 2014 at 10:07 PM

Since she still doesn’t understand Animal Farm, I suggest she should go work for awhile, doing “research” of course at The Bunny Ranch or The Mustang Ranch.
Maybe she’ll learn something about capitalism….

dentarthurdent on May 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM

You are correct to admit to being cynical and dishonest here. Yes, Trotsky lost. His error was to underestimate the threat from within until it was too late. But the fact that the revolution was betrayed once does not mean such a betrayal is inevitable.

Trotsky on May 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM

It is forever inevitable because of the concentration of power in any socialist/communist/fascist system. And you are a fool to put your faith in men. They will disappoint you every time. That is why the only feasible system with any hope of enriching and freeing the masses is one that promotes limited government, and individual liberty.

NotCoach on May 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM

I find his neo-communist honesty endearing. Wish more liberals were more open with their true beliefs.

lorien1973 on May 6, 2014 at 10:01 PM

Agreed. Don’t know if he hangs around QOTD, but they should adopt him.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM

There are valid uses for decent looking airheaded bimbos – but news “reporter” isn’t one of them.

dentarthurdent on May 6, 2014 at 10:03 PM

Definitely not the position i’d put her in.

lorien1973 on May 6, 2014 at 10:10 PM

Read the whole thing at:

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/11/anim-n12.html

Trots on May 6, 2014 at 9:20 PM

Just did, and I got the trots from all of your verbal dysentery. Time to repair to the reading room.

By the way, Radio Habana Cuba is booming in most nights these days up here in Socialist Northeast New England. Go to the Evil Capitalists at Radio Moscow Shack and get a cheap radio!

FORWARD-

Del Dolemonte on May 6, 2014 at 10:11 PM

Finally, your attempt to mock Trotskyism as some naive idealism is laughable in the face of the historical record. When faced with the intransigence of Tsarist and later capitalist reaction, Lenin and Trotsky knew what needed to be done and were not afraid to do it.

Trotsky on May 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Yeah, they knew so well what needed to be done, the current result is in front of your eyes: Russia lead by Putin lool :)) waaay to go, geniuses! :)… that revolution must have been truly a disaster if all they can show for after more than a century is…Putin and his regime :)…might as well bring the tsar back :)… So, yeah, big Fail, Lenin and Trotski, Russia could have come up with that loser (Putin that is) on its own, without a bloody revolution and the killings of millions by Stalin in the process…but ipdeluded idiots such as yourself don’t care about or value human life, it’s all about the greater (a d generally lost) causes…but then, looser will be loosers, I suppose….you chose your monicker well :)…

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:14 PM

That is why the only feasible system with any hope of enriching and freeing the masses is one that promotes limited government, and individual liberty.

NotCoach on May 6, 2014 at 10:09 PM

Exactly.

Government is inherently evil because it possesses a “legal” monopoly on the use of force. [h/t Ayn Rand]

ShainS on May 6, 2014 at 10:19 PM

Ugh,..The InfoBabe NeverEnding Story(s)!!
(sarc)

canopfor on May 6, 2014 at 10:20 PM

Let’s not even ask what she makes of Moby Dick.

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 9:43 PM

Capitalism!!! Exploitation of the worlds Resources!!! Whale Killers!!!!!!!

A white Knight arises to smash the pathetic Bourgeois Class!!!! But is eventually trampled underfoot by the sheer greed of a man who thought others could be swayed by gold as well.

That was always my take.

What?

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 10:21 PM

butch on May 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM

Yeah but keeping her quiet would allow her to spawn and while you were off being productive she would teach your children to be something less than desirable. Better she stay at a fading network who still employs an avowed racist while their sports division worries about some drunk on a twitter feed.

And Trots has to be a gag. Though he does have the excuses out front. What system has killed more people than any other in history? Why it would be the one espoused by Marx. And lampooned in 1984. Though the left will always try to deflect. Because when you have no facts, BS gets their voters to the polls every time.

Zomcon JEM on May 6, 2014 at 10:23 PM

Trotsky on May 6, 2014 at 9:49 PM

Right on. Robespierre agrees wholeheartedly.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 10:27 PM

His error was to underestimate the threat from within until it was too late.

Yes. His error was to NOT understand human nature. Like all idealists.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 10:28 PM

the working class is unlikely to be caught off guard again.

There is NO inflation. Gold is a barbarous relic.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 10:31 PM

His error was to underestimate the threat from within until it was too late.

Yes. His error was to NOT understand human nature.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 10:28 PM

He should have read Hobbes :)

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM

I would have dated her. Back in the day. I think if kept busy she wouldn’t say such stupid stuff.

butch on May 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM

You all can stop posting on this thread. We have our winner.

ToddPA on May 6, 2014 at 10:34 PM

the working class is unlikely to be caught off guard again.

In your definition the ‘working class ‘ includes the massive non-working, welfare recipients? Just curious…

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:35 PM

We must have read different books. Since when do Plutocrats start off by agitating their fellow lower class members in the name of equality, only to use their status as community organizers to propel themselves into positions that benefit from the exploitation of those they formerly called equals?

In the Liberal play-book, don’t plutocrats inherit their wealth from their families, and use it to keep the plebs down while enriching themselves? There’s no hypocritical appeal to equality in that story.

LancerDL on May 6, 2014 at 10:36 PM

He should have read Hobbes :)

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Or Machiavelli. I mean, can you even imagine how naive Trotsky had to be to think he was safe… in Mexico?!

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 10:38 PM

Is her name for real ? :)…

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:41 PM

He should have read Hobbes :)

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Or Machiavelli. I mean, can you even imagine how naive Trotsky had to be to think he was safe… in Mexico?!

de rigueur on May 6, 2014 at 10:38 PM

If by naive you mean downright stupid….

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:43 PM

He should have read Hobbes :)

jimver on May 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM

Calvin and Hobbes would have been a better choice…..

dentarthurdent on May 6, 2014 at 10:55 PM

At least MSNBC is trying to improve ratings with good looking strippers. I’m pretty sure with a name like Krystal Ball and her good looks she can make plenty as a featured performer.

Tater Salad on May 6, 2014 at 11:07 PM

She grew up in King George, Virginia. That’s why she believes that’s what it’s about.

rightside on May 6, 2014 at 11:22 PM

Calvin and Hobbes would have been a better choice…..

dentarthurdent on May 6, 2014 at 10:55 PM

Wasn’t Spaceman Spiff the driving force behind the Soviet space program?

malclave on May 6, 2014 at 11:25 PM

Ahh nuts, Trots, I forgot my favorite.

It’s not like we’ll ever have to pay it back.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 11:44 PM

Or, wait for it…..

Everyone should go to college. Those student loans will pay for themselves.

WryTrvllr on May 6, 2014 at 11:50 PM

Personally I’m looking forward to a whole host of book reviews from her. I bet she could do wonders to the Sally, Dick and Jane series.

jaywemm on May 7, 2014 at 12:05 AM

some now non-existent communist threat

Pass the purple Kool Aid.

Kenosha Kid on May 7, 2014 at 12:06 AM

“the Lord of the Rings” is about inequality, symbolized by the callous discarding of precious jewelry. “Let them eat lembas!”

RockinRickOwen on May 6, 2014 at 9:46 PM

Oh, come on! Lord of the Rings is about brave ACLU hobbits fighting against conservative Supreme Court represented by nine Nazguls.

Rix on May 7, 2014 at 12:24 AM

No she is not dumb. Her statement about the book being repurposed is right out of the playbook written byJacques Darrida and Michel Foucault and their theory of literary and cultural deconstruction. Basically it means there no narrative. That anything written or passed on represents the views of the ruling class. It is the revolutionary’s duty to use their words against the rulers. The doctrine claims that the reader takes ownership of any thing he reads or hears or sees. He can make it mean anything that will suit he goal of the revolution . Deconstruction became the gospel of the Modern Language Association. The MLA is one of the most leftwing and influential groups in American education. It hides beneath the publicity garnered by the NEA and AFT but it is far more influential and indeed sinister than either.

xkaydet65 on May 7, 2014 at 12:34 AM

Did she mention how the clever spider saved the piglet’s life?

viking01 on May 7, 2014 at 12:45 AM

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