Great moments in education: CA school asks students to ponder whether Holocaust story was just propaganda “for political and monetary gain”

posted at 10:01 am on May 6, 2014 by Ed Morrissey

The school called this “an exercise in critical thinking,” but the most important lesson from this Rialto school is that its educators need instruction in it. This middle school tasked its eighth-graders to study whether the worst genocide of the 20th century actually happened, or whether it was a myth designed for “political and monetary gain.” It also sent students to an Australian Holocaust-denier website for one of its principal sources (via Twitchy):

Take a look at the two other sources assigned to the students for their assignment, too. This point didn’t come up in the video report:

The English/Language Arts assignment, first reported Sunday by the San Bernardino Sun and provided to KTLA by the newspaper, asked students to write an argumentative essay about the Holocaust describing “whether or not you believe this was an actual event in history, or merely a political scheme created to influence public emotion and gain wealth.”

The 18-page assignment instructions included three sources that students were told to use, including one that stated gassings in concentration camps were a “hoax” and that no evidence has shown Jews died in gas chambers.

“With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why this Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded,” states the source, which is a attributed to a webpage on biblebelievers.org.au. “In whatever way you can, please help shatter this profitable myth. It is time we stop sacrificing America’s welfare for the sake of Israel and spend our hard-earned dollars on Americans.”

The other sources were from the websites history.com and about.com.

Really? Why not add Wikipedia in there, too? If the school wanted to teach critical thinking, why not start by teaching students to look for primary sources? Since the earliest days of the commercial Internet, universities and foundations have put those primary sources on line so that students just like these could benefit from the research. Instead, Rialto sends them to non-academic aggregators … and the lunatics.

Why offer this assignment in the first place? The ADL notes that Common Core requires a project on critical thinking:

The ADL posted a statement, including the quotes from Friedman, on its blog on Monday.

“ADL does not have any evidence that the assignment was given as part of a larger, insidious, agenda,” the blog post read. “Rather, the district seems to have given the assignment with an intent, although misguided, to meet Common Core standards relating to critical learning skills.”

Perhaps we should add a requirement that educators have to pass any curriculum standard before they apply it to their students.

It’s not that teaching critical thinking is bad, or even age-inappropriate for young teens. In fact, it’s a darned good idea. However, the subject matter should be something where critical thinking actually applies — like, say, global-warming hysteria or moral relativism, just to name a couple of topics. It should involve a healthy process, like a resort to primary sources and academic discipline. Finally, it would be best confined to areas where eyewitness testimonies have not already documented the industrialized mass murder of millions.

Let’s give the final grade on Rialto’s educators to a leading expert on the Holocaust:

In an interview, Rabbi Abraham Cooper, associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, noted a section in the assignment that stated Anne Frank was a fraud.

“Pedagogically, socially, morally — an F,” Cooper said of the assignment.

They have invited Rialto’s students to the center for an education on the Holocaust. It might be the only one available to them.


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EVIL!

workingclass artist on May 6, 2014 at 10:03 AM

Words fail.

Wisdom_of_Homer on May 6, 2014 at 10:06 AM

No words……

Wow

cmsinaz on May 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM

Interim Superintendent Mohammad Z. Islam

forest on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

So, the Sophists won, then.

Axe on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Try to imagine the same school district giving eighth graders a Common Core “critical thinking’ assignment on why the South was correct in their claim of states’ rights in the Civil War. Think none of the junior high staff or the administration in the Rialto district would have objected, and all would have thought the assignment was perfectly fine from the moment it was proposed until the assignment papers were handed out?

jon1979 on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

The interim super and his spokesperson have muslim names.
Holocaust denial runs rampant in the muslim community.
It’s that simple.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

“ADL does not have any evidence that the assignment was given as part of a larger, insidious, agenda,” the blog post read. “Rather, the district seems to have given the assignment with an intent, although misguided, to meet Common Core standards relating to critical learning skills.”

Sorry, I don’t buy that appeasing perspective. It’s indulgent of a crooked, closed society called Common Core Public Education.

Those “students” are required by the curriculum, as limited by it more accurately, to “agenda-ize” the issue per what they’ve been exposed to in the class (books, instructors’ statements).

So, what they “know to write about” as to the Holocaust (as also other issues) is already prescribed to them, laying the groundwork for funneling pre-arranged perspectives, ideas, “facts”.

It’s the way of propaganda and the use of the Holocaust, in this case, is cryptic.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

These people are evil. Not just wrong, EVIL.

Naturally Curly on May 6, 2014 at 10:09 AM

All you need to know if that the principal’s name is Mohammed Z. Islam. I kid you not.

Hucklebuck on May 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM

I have got to get out of this lunatic state.

MikeinPRCA on May 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Just another, albeit extreme, which of the rabid anti-semitism which has always been a characteristic of the left.

tommyboy on May 6, 2014 at 10:12 AM

Was there a project to debate whether Muhammad was real..?

d1carter on May 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Actually, this is a great exercise in critical thinking: it is showing us that we need to think critically about common core and just how bad it is.

And Jeb Bush supports common core.

How does this lesson pass so many layers of review? And if there aren’t any layers of review, that is a problem as well.

rbj on May 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Public school instructing on what the Holocaust was, under direction of Mr. Islam, Principal…something doesn’t seem right about this.

I wonder how Mr. Islam feels about parental involvement in the understanding these children have about this, uh, ‘issue’.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:13 AM

Holy shit.

Midas on May 6, 2014 at 10:15 AM

However, the subject matter should be something where critical thinking actually applies — like, say, global-warming hysteria or moral relativism, just to name a couple of topics.

Most lefties are more sympathetic to the notion that The Holocaust was a fraud than that global warming is. At least in my anecdotal experience. Bring up the tiniest criticism of global warming and the hysteria begins. Bring up Holocaust denial and they’re likely to say that the deniers have legitimate grievances and some good points. Although they’ll be quick to point out that they themselves don’t deny the Holocaust. Oh no. Such a tragedy, we should see that it doesn’t happen again. Especially not in Israel’s backyard where those viscous Jews are oppressing the saintlike Palestinians.

Fenris on May 6, 2014 at 10:15 AM

Is there any concern from parents?

AnnaS on May 6, 2014 at 10:16 AM

No words… no words.

upinak on May 6, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Credit where credit is due: the San Bernardino Sun has performed a great service.

cbenoistd on May 6, 2014 at 10:16 AM

Interim Superintendent Mohammad Z. Islam was set to talk with administrators to

Darksean on May 6, 2014 at 10:16 AM

And there was no complaints from parents..?

d1carter on May 6, 2014 at 10:17 AM

In Germany, wouldn’t this get them thrown in jail?

Ward Cleaver on May 6, 2014 at 10:17 AM

ADL does not have any evidence that the assignment was given as part of a larger, insidious, agenda,” the blog post read. “Rather, the district seems to have given the assignment with an intent, although misguided, to meet Common Core standards relating to critical learning skills.”

LOL!

William Eaton on May 6, 2014 at 10:21 AM

Years ago I got sick of watching holocaust stuff on TV. It seemed endless overkill.

When things like this come up years later it is obvious I was very wrong. I can’t believe people question the evil of this. Or the reality of it.

CW20 on May 6, 2014 at 10:21 AM

The interim Superintendent of the Rialto school system is Mohammad Z. Islam, who claimed that the assignment was a mistake…an 18 page long mistake.

Yeah, right.

Next up: Israel will disappear from all maps, as it has in the Middle East.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:22 AM

This middle school tasked

I stopped reading right there.

corona79 on May 6, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Interim Superintendent Mohammad Z. Islam

forest on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Someone buried the lead.

the_nile on May 6, 2014 at 10:23 AM

In a counter balance I give you my kid’s junior high, their 7th grade classes deeply study the Holocaust including a viewing of “Schindler’s List” with a parental opt-out. I’ve seen the study material and it’s no-holds barred, my daughter was aghast and we have had long discussions about general evil in the world because of it.

Bishop on May 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

The first question I would ask is how did an individual
with this Name become Interim Superintendent?

Yeah, I went there…..the parents of School students
in this country are so far removed from their children’s
education process, that individuals such as this man, and
Thousands more like him have found their way into positions
of authority in our US Education System.

THIS insane Lunacy will continue unabated UNTIL our Nation
awakens, and decides that IPHONES, MyBook, YouBook, FaceBook,
Twitter, Skype, SnapChat,and God knows what else are LESS
important than the Education of our Children…..

ToddPA on May 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

The interim super and his spokesperson have muslim names.
Holocaust denial runs rampant in the muslim community.
It’s that simple.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

I view increasing incidents of blatant antisemitism as a ‘canary in the coal mine’ indicator of a failing society and culture, part of an incremental progression toward authoritarianism and statist absolutism. First the Jews, followed soon after by those brave (or imprudent) enough to speak out.

I must admit to some surprise at the ADL’s ‘nothing to see here’ attitude. There’s plenty to see here, starting with the name of the principal.

troyriser_gopftw on May 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

The divide in this country is really the have’s vs the have not’s. The have’s have common sense, and the have not’s are lacking.

Tater Salad on May 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Common Core will ensure that within 5-10 years we will be living in complete Idiocracy.

That is the goal.

Just dumb down kids and gather all their info and give it to large corporations.

tetriskid on May 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:22 AM

Are you some sort of Cray/Human cyborg hybrid, how the hell do you find this stuff; I feel incomplete in comparison.

Bishop on May 6, 2014 at 10:25 AM

Move along, nothing to see here. There is no liberal indoctrination involve with Common Core. Move along./

vcferlita on May 6, 2014 at 10:26 AM

Interim Superintendent Mohammad Z. Islam

forest on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Someone buried the lead.

the_nile on May 6, 2014 at 10:23 AM

Democrats always defend each other; it’s more important to them than preventing another Holocaust.

Fenris on May 6, 2014 at 10:27 AM

Interim Superintendent Mohammad Z. Islam was set to talk with administrators to

Darksean on May 6, 2014 at 10:16 AM

I figured you were just being funny…

:)

William Eaton on May 6, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Interim Superintendent Mohammad Z. Islam
forest on May 6, 2014 at 10:08 AM

Yeah. I caught that too. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence.

EvilMonk on May 6, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Mohammed Z Islam has instructed the staff to substitute the Holocaust Hoax assignment with one named:

Fire Doesn’t Melt Steel: How The United States and Israel Conspired To Commit 9/11 And Blame The Muslims.

Bonus credit will be given to students who discuss the ’5 Dancing Jews’ in front of the WTC.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:28 AM

For me the question is,
Did the Jews merely fake their deaths, by moving out & taking German names?; or
Did they carry the Zyklon B into the showers with themselves, to make the Germans look bad?

These are questions I think that need to be answered…. also, Bush, LIHOP/MIHOP?-Discuss.

JFKY on May 6, 2014 at 10:29 AM

And yet you will never see a Common Core assignment ask into students to “exercise their critical thinking” by questioning whether global warming is a real phenomenon or “merely a political scheme created to influence public emotion and gain wealth.” Questioning whether the Holocaust ever happened is fair game in academic circles, but daring to question global warming dogma? HERESY!!!

Shadow on May 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

In a counter balance I give you my kid’s junior high, their 7th grade classes deeply study the Holocaust including a viewing of “Schindler’s List” with a parental opt-out. I’ve seen the study material and it’s no-holds barred, my daughter was aghast and we have had long discussions about general evil in the world because of it.

Bishop on May 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

My earliest and most profound instruction in what the Holocaust was was from a film called “Remember Us” that was shown decades ago on tv. My parents asked me to view it and sat with me through it to answer questions, since the material was so brutal, as was the Holocaust in practice and theory. I was in gradeschool, around fifth grade or so.

“Schindler’s List” was a very, very moderate film by comparison.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

How’s about an assignment to write a paper on how slavery in America never happened. It’s all a big conspiracy by the Congressional Black Caucus and The New Black Muslim party to smear and besmirch the genteel and honorable ‘Old’South and it’s traditions. How’s about that…hmmmm?

Oldnuke on May 6, 2014 at 10:32 AM

I live in Europe and a significant number of the people would agree with this position. Norway and the Netherlands are now effectively anti- Jewish States.

celtic warrior on May 6, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Considering that most kids in the CA public ed system are poor and foreigners they will believe what their white progressive masters running the schools want them to believe.

These kids’ parents don’t have the critical thinking skills or courage themselves to call out bullsh!t like holocaust revisionism. The elite elect a new people.

And republican sheeple will vote for pols who want to open the border and give a permanent majority to the wrong side. I guess it is our fault in the end, living in the 80′s still.

FrankT on May 6, 2014 at 10:33 AM

Some people really hate it when they get caught saying what they actually think.

The only reason anyone even came up with this question was that they wanted to promote Holocaust denial-ism, while maintaining some leeway to pretend that that was not what they were in fact actually doing. “What?! I was just trying to promote critical thinking!”

I had an ongoing battle years ago with an “English” teacher doing the exact same thing with the moon landings. She would peddle all the standard conspiracy theories as as “critical thinking”, but in the end all roads lead to the predetermined conclusion that they were fake.

Then I’d get them in history class and fix it with some real science and real history. She outwardly tried to pretend that she was neutral, but the proof she wasn’t was how enraged she got that I kept educating her little acolytes out from under her.

Ah, good times.

damage done on May 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM

“Schindler’s List” was a very, very moderate film by comparison.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

Ditto. I don’t remember the names of the films, but what they showed us in Jr. High was more graphic than Schindler’s list.

Fenris on May 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM

The Headline thread has some folkz who explained this is a perfectly reasonable assignment, not because they were Holocaust Denier, but because they thought it was a “teachable mo’”.

Were I to debate or rather ask for a paper on the examination of evidence, I’d use the history f plate tectonics or the bacteriological basis of ulcers. Both of those are very recent debates, which we now “know” the answer to, but until just a few years ago, what we “knew” was ENTIRELY wrong… So if I were trying to get people to think about how to think, how about topics like that where there was debate, doubt, dissension & finally a consensus… or the amyloid plaques in Alzheimer, cause or consequence of the disease. There are things you can address that do not involve such an absurd notion.

JFKY on May 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM

In education, even as an intellectual exercise, there are some lines we shouldn’t cross. One Jewish scholar suggests even to ASK why the Holocaust happened is an obscenity, that it was just unexplainable evil. But I think that’s a worthy topic. A recent book suggests that in Germany then, the Jews were educated, prosperous, professionals, so that the lower classes envied them. So that they were the 1%ers of their day. That’s worth considering.

But entertaining the Holocaust didn’t happen. What’s comparable to that? Discussing when it’s OK to rape a woman, or have sex with children, or when it’s OK to beat your wife if she won’t have sex with you?

Marge Schott was banned from baseball in a large part for saying “Hitler was good in the beginning, but then he went too far”. Even that doesn’t seem so outrageous in light of this.

LashRambo on May 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

My kids get full use of the photos I took of Dachau to show their classes and last year a child brought a great uncle(?) who was a camp survivor to talk to the class and show their number tattoo.

These douchebags who actually think the Holocaust was a hoax make me ashamed to share the same species as them.

Bishop on May 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Bishop on May 6, 2014 at 10:24 AM

My earliest and most profound instruction in what the Holocaust was was from a film called “Remember Us” that was shown decades ago on tv. My parents asked me to view it and sat with me through it to answer questions, since the material was so brutal, as was the Holocaust in practice and theory. I was in gradeschool, around fifth grade or so.

“Schindler’s List” was a very, very moderate film by comparison.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

And, being a child from suburban Southern USA, mostly all Protestant environment, I had no idea at that age who “Jews” were and what the issues were as to why such horrors happened. My first question DURING watching “Remember Us” was, “what’s a ‘Jew’ and why did this happen”?

Children learn these significant differences among human beings and cultures best with parental supervision in almost all cases, if not all cases. For those raised in urban environs, especially more contemporary ones from my own young experiences, it’s likely difficult to know that some of us didn’t even realize these basic things and had to ask…

San Bernardino is largely Hispanic immigrant and sounds like, lately, also Muslim. So there’s going to be cultural bias to contend with…

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Eisenhower was prophetic.

When the Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, and for the German people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps and even made to bury the dead. He did this because he said in words to this effect:

“Get it all on record now – get the films – get the witnesses – because somewhere down the road of history some bastard will get up and say that this never happened.”

Deano1952 on May 6, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Are any of us really surprised?

I am not, nor will I ever be surprised at what has happened to our schools. We turned over control to the Marxists/communists and this is the natural end results.

No one from the school, the administrators, the teachers AND not a DAMN single parent objected. That should shock me but alas, not even that shocked me. We all should have seen this coming but we mostly turned a blind eye to it and let it happen.

Everything that is wrong with our country right now, we let happen.

It may just be too late to save it at this point but I’ll be damned if I don’t go down fighting.

May God save the good people of California but I won’t shed a tear if the whole state was to disappear someday. It is our own version of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Sorry if this was harsh but I just read about Jazz’s dog passing and it put me in a dark mood.

D-fusit on May 6, 2014 at 10:36 AM

I guess I’m in the mood to play devil’s advocate today, because I actually do think it is an exercise in critical thinking to ask them to look at all the evidence and then argue it didn’t happen. Yes, it’s outrageous to believe it is a fraud, but you can gain something by taking a ‘side’ that is ridiculous, that you don’t agree with, and trying to argue in favor of that position. When I was in school, this was common in classes featuring debates.

Granted, though, that this isn’t the best topic for that as it’s offensive to the millions who perished in those camps to suggest that it didn’t happen, even under the guise of critical thinking. A better one would be arguing that the moon landing was a fraud.

changer1701 on May 6, 2014 at 10:37 AM

The sad part of this is that this administration wants all history that doesn’t meet their “standards” to be retaught. I grew up with surviving holocaust victims and I never forget Dwight Eisenhower saying that they would need lots of pictures to verify this really happened because there will come a time when it would be denied!

My father escaped the pogrom in Russian where even more Jews were murdered.

Yep, thanks to Common Core, more and more of this will be happening!

Roselle on May 6, 2014 at 10:37 AM

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM

My kids get full use of the photos I took of Dachau to show their classes and last year a child brought a great uncle(?) who was a camp survivor to talk to the class and show their number tattoo.

These douchebags who actually think the Holocaust was a hoax make me ashamed to share the same species as them.

Bishop on May 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Yes, I agree: “douchebags who actually think the Holocaust was a hoax make me ashamed to share the same species as them.”

Good for you for such caring and leadership with your kids.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Today’s sampling of ‘Git da Joooooooooooos (and their supporters)!’ – Part I:

Egyptian TV: Old Simpsons Episode Proof Jihad In Syria An American Conspiracy…

James Zogby: Tony Blair A “Neocon Zionist-Israeli” Out To “Demonize Muslims”…

Obama State Department Sponsoring Abu Dhabi Book Fair Selling Anti-Semitic Books…

Note: All are headlines TODAY. More in next post and tune in tomorrow for another tonne of moonbattery from members of a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigoted, child-abusing, xenophobic, tribalistic, antisemitic, Christophobic, maniacal, thin-skinned, homicidal, suicidal, totalitarian, 7th century death cult.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:38 AM

I guess I’m in the mood to play devil’s advocate today, because I actually do think it is an exercise in critical thinking to ask them to look at all the evidence and then argue it didn’t happen….

changer1701 on May 6, 2014 at 10:37 AM

The basis for what these children even know begins and ends with the class material. That is, they are limited to discussion,, from what I understand about this Common Core framework, to referring to materials they’ve been exposed to, required to access, WITHIN the curriculum. So therein lies the root of NON critical thinking, unfortunately.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:40 AM

I remember a line from a documentary I watched years ago, they asked an old German about the Holocaust. He replied, “I don’t think it happened. And even if it did happen, I wouldn’t believe it.”. That sums up what we’re talking about here. Whether someone’s sentiments and emotions are so strong that they’re (even fully consciously) willing to deny reality rather than change how they feel.

I suspect there’s some major league anti-Jewish sentiment behind this exercise. Doesn’t it sound related to some of the anti-Jewish propaganda floating around the Islamic world, like children’s cartoons saying Jews are pigs?

LashRambo on May 6, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Mohammed Z Islam has instructed the staff to substitute the Holocaust Hoax assignment with one named:

Fire Doesn’t Melt Steel: How The United States and Israel Conspired To Commit 9/11 And Blame The Muslims.

Bonus credit will be given to students who discuss the ’5 Dancing Jews’ in front of the WTC.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:28 AM

It’s sad that without a sarc tag I can’t tell for sure if this is a joke or not in America today.

Wisdom_of_Homer on May 6, 2014 at 10:40 AM

I’d like to participate in that assignment…my grandfather was taken by the Nazi’s in the middle of the night and never seen again…and he wasn’t a Jew…just head of the local opposition political party…

What a bunch of a$$holes…this will be happening in this country in the not too distant future, and when it does, the next generation will have been indoctrinated by Common Core…they will just stand by and watch it happen…

Hope I don’t live long enough to see it happen…

PatriotRider on May 6, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Saw this on Ace last night and was utterly disgusted and enraged.

Throat Wobbler Mangrove on May 6, 2014 at 10:41 AM

As cliché as it is… the Holocaust is NOT about Jews… it’s about what can happen to ANY group. In fact, the period 1942-45 was hardly a Jewish Holocaust… by the numbers SLAV’s died in greater numbers… by proportion the Rom died more (something like 2/3 of the Gypsies perished in that period). The 1930′s-40′s show what can happen when an ideology abrogates/takes power unto itself & demonizes the “out group” be they Kulaks, Jews, the mentally challenged, Slavs or the Gypsies. It is a cautionary tale to ANYONE, not merely Jews. I figure you know this, but I just had to say it.

JFKY on May 6, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Some people really hate it when they get caught saying what they actually think.

The only reason anyone even came up with this question was that they wanted to promote Holocaust denial-ism, while maintaining some leeway to pretend that that was not what they were in fact actually doing. “What?! I was just trying to promote critical thinking!”…

damage done on May 6, 2014 at 10:34 AM

I agree. And that was my first impression when I read these headlines about Mr. Islam, Principal…

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Anyone in the educational bureaucracy who had ANYTHING to do with the approval of this travesty has proven to be unfit to serve in that capacity. They should be dismissed immediately. what is the meaning of the word “accountability”? If this is not a fireable offense, I cannot imagine what is. Union or nonunion, this requires dismissal with prejudice. Every parent in this district (as well as non parents)should demand it.

TimsTruth on May 6, 2014 at 10:43 AM

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:31 AM
when I was born and as a small child-my father worked for some Jewish organizations. We had quite a few books on the Shoah/ Jew-hatred.
for me though-the big realization happened while I was watching the miniseries ‘Holocaust’ with my dad. I was maybe 7 or 8.
It was the episode that dramatized the huge mass murder that occurred @ Babi Yar in 1941.
I asked my dad why the ‘men’ were jumping in the pits. He explained that the men were actors-but that those they were portraying would’ve fallen-down into the pits because they had been shot.
I asked why someone would’ve shot them.
His answer was that the people would’ve been shot because they were Jews.
I was a little wisp of a thing-with blonde hair and almost black brown eyes. I didn’t look Jewish at all.
I looked up at my dad-who also didn’t look Jewish-and asked if the ‘bad people’(I was 7 or 8) would’ve killed me too.

He looked down sadly at me.

‘Yes’.

annoyinglittletwerp on May 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM

The basis for what these children even know begins and ends with the class material. That is, they are limited to discussion,, from what I understand about this Common Core framework, to referring to materials they’ve been exposed to, required to access, WITHIN the curriculum. So therein lies the root of NON critical thinking, unfortunately.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:40 AM

Well, if we’re talking a curriculum that is based on Holocaust denial then yeah, of course that is absurd and completely beyond the pale.

changer1701 on May 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM

yet a majority of Jews vote for the lunatics that make this happen

Doyle Hargrave on May 6, 2014 at 10:42 AM

We’re all vulnerable human beings, vulnerable to vanity, lusts, gratuitousness, the whole schemer.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM

I originally wrote: “the whole s.c.h.m.e.e.r” <– spellcheck in 10:44 AM comments "corrected" that original comment wrongly.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:45 AM

I guess I’m in the mood to play devil’s advocate today, because I actually do think it is an exercise in critical thinking to ask them to look at all the evidence and then argue it didn’t happen…

changer1701 on May 6, 2014 at 10:37 AM

The chance that this was a legitimate exercise in critical thinking is zero. This was an effort to indoctrinate “young skulls full of mush” that Jews are evil lying b@stards.

Fenris on May 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM

And, being a child from suburban Southern USA, mostly all Protestant environment, I had no idea at that age who “Jews” were

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Me neither. In fact, around age 8, I remember believing “you dirty Jew” was a general insult like “you stupid jerk”. I didn’t even know the word “Jew”, just the phrase “you dirty Jew”. Apparently there was some anti-semitism in the neighborhood!

LashRambo on May 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM

Note: All are headlines TODAY. More in next post and tune in tomorrow for another tonne of moonbattery from members of a misogynistic, racist, homophobic, bigoted, child-abusing, xenophobic, tribalistic, antisemitic, Christophobic, maniacal, thin-skinned, homicidal, suicidal, totalitarian, 7th century death cult.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:38 AM

Good list, but you forgot self-detonating.

Wisdom_of_Homer on May 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Yep, thanks to Common Core, more and more of this will be happening!

Roselle on May 6, 2014 at 10:37 AM

I have wondered what happens when these common core children go to college? I didn’t have to wait long to find out. This past spring semester a kid in a history course started screaming at the Prof. that he was lying about the Jews, the death camps and so on. Screaming! This was a History 102 (1865-today) course. I spoke to the Prof. a week later and the kid dropped, and his parents came in and talked to the Prof. saying they had no clue that their child was being taught in high school that there was denial, and apologized to him. The Prof. is very worried about it happening more often. The sad part was the kid started screaming when the Prof. started showing pictures of the camps.

upinak on May 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM

annoyinglittletwerp on May 6, 2014 at 10:44 AM

Yes, grim. World’s a hard place to understand, especially as to this big issue. Tough to comprehend the “why” for children…

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:35 AM

Me neither. In fact, around age 8, I remember believing “you dirty Jew” was a general insult like “you stupid jerk”. I didn’t even know the word “Jew”, just the phrase “you dirty Jew”. Apparently there was some anti-semitism in the neighborhood!

LashRambo on May 6, 2014 at 10:46 AM

I wasn’t exposed to that but I did hear a lot of use of “don’t Welsh on the debt”.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Today’s sampling of ‘Git da Joooooooooooos (and their supporters)!’ – Part II:

Hamas TV Kids Show Features Giant Bee Imploring Children To Kill “All The Jews”…

Islamic Cleric From Michigan Is a Top Online Figure for Jihadists in Syria

Shariah Law: ‘Sex Jihad’ Fatwa Permits Incest in Syria

Kerry Rails Against Terrorists: ‘They Don’t Offer a Health Care Plan’

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Changer1701, I’ll repeat what oldnuke said in the headline thread… The Holocaust happened. There’d no debating it. You can debate issues surrounding the Holocaust, such as did Eretz Ysrael “exploit” the Holocaust for political/diplomatic purposes? What was the psychological need/underpinning of the Nazi & Anti-Semitic European worldview that allowed/demanded the Holocaust? Just how much he Holocaust diver Germany’s war-effort? One could debate, as I alluded to above, as to whether the Holocaust was “uniquely” Jewish; I would contend, No-(Editor’s Note: I have accounts of my Jewish Polish relatives being murdered by the Nazi’s, so leave the anti-Semite cr@p at home.)

But we cannot debate the existence of the Holocaust. Should we debate the existence of the Moon?

JFKY on May 6, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Good list, but you forgot self-detonating.

Wisdom_of_Homer on May 6, 2014 at 10:47 AM

Lolz. Duly noted.

I love those workplace accidents when they detonate prematurely.

Last year – at a terrorist school – the master bombmaking instructor blew himself and dozens of his students straight up into the welcoming arms of a platoon of virginal Bella Abzugs. lol

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM

And when in 2016 the GOP controls the Congress and the White House, the Islamization of the country will continue apace. Because, you know, they will want to be civil and play by the rules invented specifically against them by the Democrats. We need our own version of Le Pen.

Rix on May 6, 2014 at 10:56 AM

I live in Europe and a significant number of the people would agree with this position. Norway and the Netherlands are now effectively anti- Jewish States.

celtic warrior on May 6, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Don’t overlook Sweden. Finland AND Sweden, particularly, were heavy believers in “Nazi-ism”. A well kept history, unfortunately.

Lourdes on May 6, 2014 at 10:56 AM

All you need to know if that the principal’s name is Mohammed Z. Islam. I kid you not.

Hucklebuck on May 6, 2014 at 10:10 AM

Things that “make ya go hmmm”. I mean, if one is looking for some kind of classroom assignment which engages critical thinking… how does one arrive upon “the Holocaust was a Hoax”???? Who thinks like that? How would something like that even arrive in the brain pan?

It’s not really credible that there’s an innocent answer for this. There aren’t many ideologies so antisemitic as to allow for a topic like that to occur in one’s mind. Kind of hard to believe it’s a coincidence.

The school board out there needs to fire some people.

Murf76 on May 6, 2014 at 10:57 AM

As cliché as it is… the Holocaust is NOT about Jews… it’s about what can happen to ANY group. In fact, the period 1942-45 was hardly a Jewish Holocaust… by the numbers SLAV’s died in greater numbers… by proportion the Rom died more (something like 2/3 of the Gypsies perished in that period). The 1930′s-40′s show what can happen when an ideology abrogates/takes power unto itself & demonizes the “out group” be they Kulaks, Jews, the mentally challenged, Slavs or the Gypsies. It is a cautionary tale to ANYONE, not merely Jews. I figure you know this, but I just had to say it.

JFKY on May 6, 2014 at 10:41 AM

Let’s not forget homosexuals. IIRC they had to wear little pink triangles instead of yellow Stars of David. Matter of fact the Nazis had all manner of undesirables stuck into those camps and they each had distinctive identifying badges.

Oldnuke on May 6, 2014 at 10:58 AM

RWM, 10.54…I feel bad about that. I think there needs to be some kind of Federal Program to help fold like that practice SAFE BOMB-MAKING, possibly USAID or the State Department could run it…I think, for worker safety, it would be worth a $10-15 million program.

JFKY on May 6, 2014 at 10:58 AM

Well, YEAH-UH Oldnuke, because we had to know WHY we were killing you…I guess. Were I a Gay Jew, did I get to the head of the line? Which line did I get to fall into? I’m sure they had a procedures handbook to help sort those questions out… being thorough Germanic sorts.

JFKY on May 6, 2014 at 11:01 AM

Mark your calendars, everyone: common core just invoked Godwin’s Law.

The Schaef on May 6, 2014 at 11:01 AM

I have come to believe the best thing you can do for your children or grandchildren is send them to a good private school. The cost is painful since you are already paying for the public schools but if you value your kids future it is the only way to go.

Fifty years ago I went to a public school system and feel that I got a great education. But now with a few exceptions I think it is almost impossible.

JLyons on May 6, 2014 at 11:04 AM

Great moments in education: CA school asks students to ponder whether Holocaust story was just propaganda “for political and monetary gain”

The 6 million slaughtered souls answered with a unanimous NO!

rukiddingme on May 6, 2014 at 11:06 AM

I live in Europe and a significant number of the people would agree with this position. Norway and the Netherlands are now effectively anti- Jewish States.

celtic warrior on May 6, 2014 at 10:32 AM

Absolutely. I wrote a piece on Norway a few years ago that you might like:

Norway: A Tolerant, Inclusive, Diverse, Multicultural Society For Everyone…Except Jews

And, for those who don’t live in Europe, are not from there, or rarely follow what is going on, this will chill you to the bone:

Hitler’s Ghost Haunts Europe

Consider just this one example:

In 2010 in Odense, Denmark, superintendent Olav Nielsen announced he would no longer admit Jewish children to the local school because of complaints from Muslims.

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Scary exit question: how many students would have argued the Holocaust was a hoax?

rcpjr on May 6, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Excercise in citical thinking

NEXT ASSIGNMENT:

SLAVERY WAS A HOAX

and note, the assignment can not be racists since the school does not think it to be racists to make light of the genicide in their first assignment.

huntingmoose on May 6, 2014 at 11:08 AM

I guess in the scheme of things it doesn’t matter but the picture Ed shows in his commentary of women in camp uniforms were not Jews but Polish Christians in Auswi

celtic warrior on May 6, 2014 at 11:09 AM

Resist We Much on May 6, 2014 at 10:54 AM

You ought to love this then. They don’t blow themselves up here but it’s definitely a WTF moment for them. All the way through it I kept thinking “Man I hope they didn’t hurt the goats.” Be warned it’s very graphic.

Oldnuke on May 6, 2014 at 11:10 AM

What do you think the chances are that the next question for the students will be if climate change is just propaganda for political and monetary gain?

HiJack on May 6, 2014 at 11:10 AM

It needs to be pointed out that what went on here was vastly more outrageous than anything Donald Sterling said in a private conversation. It was not just questioning the Holocaust but the language “… or was it an attempt to influence public emotion and gain wealth” shows it was a deliberate attempt to indoctrinate schoolkids with anti-Semitism. And yes his name is really Mohammad Z. Islam.

FOAF on May 6, 2014 at 11:10 AM

No mention of the Superintendent, huh?

CVMA-Dredd on May 6, 2014 at 11:12 AM

I meant Auschwitz

celtic warrior on May 6, 2014 at 11:12 AM

Wow

Bmore on May 6, 2014 at 11:14 AM

As usual you are spot on RWM.

celtic warrior on May 6, 2014 at 11:15 AM

Meow, your take?

Bmore on May 6, 2014 at 11:15 AM

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