Seattle is probably going to enact a $15/hour minimum wage

posted at 8:41 am on May 2, 2014 by Erika Johnsen

Last November, Seattle elected a straight-up socialist to their City Council who, among other economic/social-justice aspirations, included the already popular idea of a minimum wage hike to $15/hour in her campaign platform. Evidently, the fact that that is now very likely going to happen in a gradual phase-in over the next few years isn’t quite good enough for her, via the NYT:

Mayor Ed Murray presented on Thursday what he described as an imperfect but workable plan to increase the city’s minimum wage to $15 an hour, more than twice the federal minimum wage and one of the highest anywhere in the nation, through a series of complex and phased-in stages. Just as crucially, he said, the plan has broad political support, with a coalition of labor and business groups ready to push hard for it at the City Council, starting with the first hearings next week.

But the plan, which in many other cities might be seen as a liberal Democratic agenda at the frontier of social and economic engineering, was immediately attacked not from the mayor’s right, but from his left.

Kshama Sawant, a Socialist Alternative Party member who was elected to the Seattle City Council last year on a single-minded drive to raise wages, said the plan had been “watered down” by business interests on the mayor’s 24-member committee on income inequality, of which she was also a member. In a packed news conference at City Hall right after Mr. Murray’s, she called on her supporters to continue their effort to gather signatures for a possible ballot initiative on wages this fall. The campaign might also put pressure on the Council to make the mayor’s plan better for workers, she suggested. “Every year of a phase-in means yet another year in poverty for a worker,” Ms. Sawant said. “Our work is far from done.”

A handy 21 of the city’s 24 council members are on board with the plan, which designates that large Seattle-based employers (with 500+ employees, no matter where those employees are in the country) start paying the $15/hour rate as soon as 2017 with smaller businesses phasing in by 2021 — and all this despite the fact that Washington already has the highest minimum wage in the country:

Washington is home to the nation’s highest state minimum wage, at $9.32 an hour. As of April 8, 38 states had considered minimum wage bills in 2014, with 34 of them considering increases, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Minnesota and West Virginia have passed increases. Hawaii is expected to join that list after legislators approved a future hike Tuesday to $10.10, the level President Obama has pushed for nationwide. Workers in several states will see minimum wages of at least $10 in several states within a few years.

States and cities have led the charge as federal legislation has languished. San Francisco started the year with a $10.74 minimum wage, while Sante Fe’s hit $10.66 on March 1. A $15 minimum wage went into effect for some workers on Jan. 1 in SeaTac, the small city that is home to Seattle–Tacoma International Airport.

I might add that, while a “coalition of business and labor groups are ready to push hard” for the hike, there are other groups equally ready to push hard against it:

Seattle’s push to become the first big U.S. city with a $15-an-hour minimum wage has hit a snag: opposition from waiters and bartenders. …

“People are talking about moving to a European system of tipping,” says Maloney, 28, meaning less automatic and not as generous. She has become a spokeswoman for a group called Tips Are Wages, appearing in the Seattle Times, KIRO Radio, and other local media to argue for a carve-out that keeps tipped workers at a lower minimum. “I have built a life around the current model of tipping,” she says. …

Restaurants have warned they might boost menu prices as much as 25 percent or force servers to share more of their tips with cooks, dishwashers, and other back-of-the-house staff. …

Kshama Sawant, a socialist elected to the council on her own $15 pledge, calls those suggestions “fear mongering” and says people who cling to tips miss the point. “We don’t want any worker to be beholden to the mood of the customer on any given day,” she says.

Well. So much for the “service” industry.

I would estimate that Seattle will eventually come to regret this decision in the long run, but hey, that’s what federalism and local governance are for, I suppose — a notion that desperate Democrats in Washington are currently refusing to grasp.


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A friend of mine who works for Amazon was allowed to go home early because the Marxists and Univeristy “Anarchists” were rioting for this job killing wage hike.

jawkneemusic on May 2, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Seattle meet Detroit, Detroit – Seattle.

You two should get to know each other.

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 10:33 AM

And in future news, Seattle no longer has fast food restaurants.

SoulGlo on May 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM

And in future news, Seattle no longer has fast food restaurants.

SoulGlo on May 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Or any other retail stores of any kind.

Guess they have to learn the hard way though.

But hey, be my guest Seattle, since I don’t live there, it’ll be a glaring example of what NOT to do. Oh, and of course yet another example in the VERY long list, as to why we should NEVER elect DimocRats or even listen to a word you all say.

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 10:40 AM

“We don’t want any worker to be beholden to the mood of the customer on any given day,”

Hmmm – Does anyone know the actual definition of the term “customer service”?

I think this is GREAT!!! Go for it Seattle.
I want everyone to see what happens when the gubmint does this.

And I Still have lots of Cub Scout popcorn available….

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 10:47 AM

And in future news, Seattle no longer has fast food restaurants.

SoulGlo on May 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Depending on which movie future you subscribe to, eventually either Taco Bell or Carl’s Jr will own ALL restaurants….

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 10:49 AM

And in future news, Seattle no longer has fast food restaurants.

SoulGlo on May 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM

They do, but they are 95% automated. A computer takes your order, another puts in in the microwave, another puts it in a bag, another takes your money.

There is one human a shift in case one of the computers has a problem.

However, teenage unemployment in Seattle is now 95%.

talkingpoints on May 2, 2014 at 10:50 AM

Henry Ford’s $5 a day was seen as dangerous. And yet nowadays $10 an hour isn’t enough for people to live on.

Raising the minimum wage simply lowers the value of each dollar. the marxists now that but they believe you don’t so they seize on that to gain power.

rbj on May 2, 2014 at 8:47 AM

That’s why the Marxists do it. The liberal elite that votes for this crap does so purely to make themselves feel better. They do it for the same reason conservatives give to a charity. The difference of course is whose money you are being generous with.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2014 at 10:51 AM

Has anyone bid $100 an hour yet?
I think that would be a fair wage for everyone.

He11 – I might even move to Seattle and get into the fast food business for that kind of money – much better than what I make as a DoD systems test engineer of 30 years….

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 10:52 AM

I’m all for this. Matter of fact I can’t think of a place more deserving of an experiment of this type.

Bmore on May 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM

Jack up prices 25% and I am sure the mood of the customer will be obvious. I just can’t imagine how stupid people are to think that artificially raising the cost of labor and thus the price of goods will somehow make economic sense. Fewer jobs and higher prices do not help the poor. This is high school level basic economics.

Ellis on May 2, 2014 at 10:53 AM

That’s why the Marxists do it. The liberal elite that votes for this crap does so purely to make themselves feel better. They do it for the same reason conservatives give to a charity. The difference of course is whose money you are being generous with.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2014 at 10:51 AM

The flip side of this “spending other peoples’ money” is some of the people who get those handouts.
As my half-sister said to my Mom (not her Mom) when buying high-priced deli foods with food stamps – “it’s not my money, so why shouldn’t I have the best?”
My Mom’s response was – “BECAUSE it’s not your money!!!”

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 10:56 AM

And in future news, Seattle no longer has fast food restaurants.

SoulGlo on May 2, 2014 at 10:36 AM

Or any other retail stores of any kind.

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 10:40 AM

I think y’all grossly underestimate the ingenuity and capacity for innovation of the American entrepreneur.

Automate the McDonalds’, the gas stations, the supermarkets. And at $15+/hr, employ people capable of managing the automated environment.

As far as people who can’t generate $15 of value per hour? Hey, Tacoma’s just down the road…

JohnGalt23 on May 2, 2014 at 11:00 AM

JohnGalt23 on May 2, 2014 at 11:00 AM

See, the problem is, when the level of service goes down, so does the volume of business.

Not to mention that, but when all the retail and fastfood businesses have to raise their prices by 50%, they’re going to go out of business, there just is no other way around that. That’s the reality.

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 11:06 AM

It can’t. This is all just political theater. It would be like NYC trying to impose a minimum wage on Citigroup which has 50,000 employees and only about 2000 of them in New York.

rockmom on May 2, 2014 at 10:07 AM

That is what I’m thinking too – surely Seattle can’t set wages for employees outside Seattle and this isn’t even going to get off the ground. It just wouldn’t pass.

But I’m not sure that’s exactly what is going on – as other commenters have said, it’s unclear. Maybe only Seattle workers are affected and they really are just that dumb.

Missy on May 2, 2014 at 11:08 AM

…it’s an economic stimulus!
…business will flock to Seattle!

KOOLAID2 on May 2, 2014 at 11:16 AM

Let’s pay all public employees in Seattle the minimum (no maximum allowed because it would violate the law) $15.00 an hour, and their take home pay is what remains after all applicable taxes.

Understand, every public employee of Seattle, starts at the minimum of $15.00 an hour. Pay Increases can start the year following implementation. Pay increases can not be more than 10% of $15.00 an hour and is based on performance or merit.

For example, an employee saved the employer (tax payers) $150,000. Using the total allocation to the employee’s unit determine the percentage the $150,000 savings represents, (not to exceed 10%) equals the employee’s raise. This raise will be the employee’s base pay for the remainder of their employment and as long as the employees money saving idea continues to produce savings.

Then I will support increase of the Minimum Pay ruling.

MSGTAS on May 2, 2014 at 11:19 AM

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 11:06 AM

Not to mention that, but when all the retail and fastfood businesses have to raise their prices by 50%, they’re going to go out of business, there just is no other way around that. That’s the reality.

Okay, that is simply not true. I live in a place where at fast food places, we often a pay what I call a “Marin tax”, a higher menu cost (often as much as 30% higher) combined with elimination of promotions found everywhere else in the US (outside SFO, NYC, Hawaii and Alaska). This is brought on by a combination of a high minimum wage, and high real estate costs and high taxes. The higher prices are just baked into the cake of a high cost of living.

See, the problem is, when the level of service goes down, so does the volume of business.

For some things, that is simply not an option. High salary workers in Seattle are still going to demand McDonald’s for lunch, and aren’t going to want to drive all the way to Tacoma to fill up their gas tanks. Those businesses are going to have to find some economic way to supply that demand.

Now, some portion of it may be higher prices. But at some point, the cost of labor exceeds the cost of automation, and businesses will, rather than raise prices to meet rising labor costs, will sink money into automation, doing away with most of the labor costs. Now this will, of course, have adverse effects on low-skill workers in Seattle. Not everyone is capable of keeping up in a high-tech environment, even one dedicated to providing burgers and coffee.

Which is why I point out that Tacoma is right down the road…

JohnGalt23 on May 2, 2014 at 11:22 AM

Too many customer service reps already have the “not beholding to customers” mindset. Unfortunately, the business itself depends on it and without it there would be no jobs !

alQemist on May 2, 2014 at 11:25 AM

Starbucks corp offices in South Seattle (different municipality)
Microsoft in Redmond
Boeing marginally in Everett

Not many evil corporations actually have their HQs in Seattle proper. This proposal will have little effect until the small business aspect kicks in.

In fact, Seattle has more public employees than private. So, all the businesses move to the burbs and Seattle becomes exclusively a liberal enclave.

Ace ODale on May 2, 2014 at 11:27 AM

So, all the businesses move to the burbs and Seattle becomes exclusively a liberal enclave.

Ace ODale on May 2, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Popcorn!! Get yer popcorn here!!!
Special deal for libtards – $1 a bag, 2 for $5….

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM

So, all the businesses move to the burbs and Seattle becomes exclusively a liberal enclave.

Ace ODale on May 2, 2014 at 11:27 AM

Where will all those greedy government workers that work in those office buildings go for lunch? Where will all the envirofascists from the Big Green multinat headquarters go for their three-cocktail meetings?

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2014 at 11:33 AM

Let’s hope it happens.

Great entertainment.

Moesart on May 2, 2014 at 11:37 AM

The stupid, it burns!

Effay5 on May 2, 2014 at 11:49 AM

people who cling to tips miss the point. “We don’t want any worker to be beholden to the mood of the customer on any given day,” she says.

Versus the mood of the elected politicians and not elected bureaucrats that seems to change on a daily basis these days when it comes to regulations and laws.

The kicker here is WA has NO INCOME TAX. So no duh those waiters don’t want to lose tips. They only have to pay Fed income taxes. I loathe tipping simply because it has become baked into wages and thus now waiters expect or even demand it despite how good of a service they offer.

These idiots are either ignorant or know darn well that their policies cause more harm than good. Get rid of income taxes (a form of slavery) on the state levels and especially the Fed level.

oryguncon on May 2, 2014 at 11:54 AM

JohnGalt23 on May 2, 2014 at 11:22 AM

People will only pay so much for something. The cost of living has increased easily 25% over the last 6 years in most places around the country. All while wages have been AT BEST stagnant, for those few that still have jobs.

Businesses WILL NOT “find some way” to keep their doors open when this happens. Small businesses WILL go OUT of business. And big chains that employ low wage workers WILL close them down, because their costs will dictate that.

All the big chains will see is every single store they have in the Seattle area just went majorly in the RED. They’ll shut them down because costs are too high, period.

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 11:55 AM

I suspect that all those voting for the increase have golden parachutes.

This will ease the nagging conscience, I’m sure.

Cleombrotus on May 2, 2014 at 12:03 PM

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 11:55 AM

Not to mention that it just adds another “drip” to that “drip …drip…drip” of an increasingly stress filled life which is primarily motivated by the demand to just make more and more money just to live.

Cleombrotus on May 2, 2014 at 12:10 PM

$15 is perfect. We should make it the national rate.

The unholy alliance of business and Democrats wants to screw us with amnesty, so let’s screw them both with this.

Why not $15, Democrats? Why not? Why do you hate poor people? Why do you want them to work for slave wages?

fadetogray on May 2, 2014 at 12:25 PM

Who cares what Seattle does? They will rapidly join LA, and the rest of California, in bankruptcy. Let’s not forget Detroit as someone has mentioned. Hell, the table is set for the whole damn country to join them, unless we come to our senses.

tomshup on May 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Buddahpundit on May 2, 2014 at 9:08 AM

I’m with you, but cut it to $250,000. They’ll still take it.

Jaibones on May 2, 2014 at 12:29 PM

Who cares what Seattle does?
tomshup on May 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM

I do!!!
Watching Seattle self-destruct is going to be VERY entertaining to watch.

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 12:29 PM

How did the Marxist decide on $15 an hour? Why not $50 an hour or more? I’ve never heard rationale from these proponents of raising the minimum wage as to why they choose the hourly rate that propose.

RUReady2RNR on May 2, 2014 at 12:30 PM

How did the Marxist decide on $15 an hour? Why not $50 an hour or more? I’ve never heard rationale from these proponents of raising the minimum wage as to why they choose the hourly rate that propose.

RUReady2RNR on May 2, 2014 at 12:30 PM

And why are they insistant on making it nationwide?
$15 / hour is big time rich livin’ in Banjo Holler, Arkansas and many other rural areas.
$15 / hour won’t even get you a decent place to live in the worst ghettos of NY City, San Fran, LA, or any other high cost of living cities.

It’s complete idiocy to think ANY specific wage level is the same kind of “living wage” across the entire country.

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 12:38 PM

“Every year of a phase-in means yet another year in poverty for a worker,” Ms. Sawant said.

Actually…she’s absolutely right.

Since business outlays are already being made, plans being canceled, and dreams of new businesses forgotten, all based on the $15 minimum wage, every day that goes by without the raise really *is* needless for the fewer workers that will be allowed to keep their jobs.

How did the Marxist decide on $15 an hour? Why not $50 an hour or more? I’ve never heard rationale from these proponents of raising the minimum wage as to why they choose the hourly rate that propose.

RUReady2RNR on May 2, 2014 at 12:30 PM

It’s based on the highest number that doesn’t sound arbitrarily absurd to the rabble.

HitNRun on May 2, 2014 at 12:40 PM

How did the Marxist decide on $15 an hour? Why not $50 an hour or more? I’ve never heard rationale from these proponents of raising the minimum wage as to why they choose the hourly rate that propose.

RUReady2RNR on May 2, 2014 at 12:30 PM

They think Seattle can bear it. Even the loons there realize a $50 minimum wage would destroy Seattle.

fadetogray on May 2, 2014 at 12:42 PM

No more need to tip!

BL@KBIRD on May 2, 2014 at 12:46 PM

Say hello to your new McD’s burger-flipper. It doesn’t eat, breathe, sweat, spit in customers food, expect tips, complain about overtime or unionize:

http://singularityhub.com/…/robot-serves-up-340…/

Alberta_Patriot on May 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Alberta_Patriot on May 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM

Which goes to our point exactly. You get to a point, where it’s more cost effective to ELIMINATE your employees. If the min wage is raised to that point, all the employees WILL go bye-bye.

They may replace them with technology, or they may not. They may just close the location, which is much more likely.

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 1:03 PM

Raising the minimum wage simply lowers the value of each dollar. the marxists now that but they believe you don’t so they seize on that to gain power.

rbj on May 2, 2014 at 8:47 AM

The minimum wage in no way contributes as much to inflation and destruction of the dollar’s value as the Fed Printing Press.

I suppose some weak-minded businesses will not be able to adapt and only see increased wages needing to be balanced with higher prices.

That is not true. There are many ways to skin a cat, and one is changing business models. Why, there was a whole thing in Australia about how their workers get a much higher minimum wage but their fast food prices are not much higher.

antisense on May 2, 2014 at 1:07 PM

Phase 1: Raise Minimum Wage
Phase 2: Restaurants go under, retail stores struggle
Phase 3: Mass layoffs, enrollment on to govt benefits/healthcare
Phase 4: Ban smoking, junk food
Phase 5: People maintain huge gardens/farms on govt land
Phase 6: Ban guns
Phase 7: Everyone now completely reliant on govt assistance
Phase 8: Socialist Utopia

Good luck Seattle…but hey, reap what ya sow.

nextgen_repub on May 2, 2014 at 1:24 PM

Say hello to your new McD’s burger-flipper. It doesn’t eat, breathe, sweat, spit in customers food, expect tips, complain about overtime or unionize:

http://singularityhub.com/…/robot-serves-up-340…/

Alberta_Patriot on May 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM

went to your link … did not see anything … I was going to post
this http://www.gizmag.com/hamburger-machine/25159/

conservative tarheel on May 2, 2014 at 1:42 PM

Texas welcomes you, Seattle, for sending more jobs their way!

LancerDL on May 2, 2014 at 1:50 PM

This is what happens when Californian hippies relocate. They turn what you used to be great places into Orwellian hellholes.

Oh Seattle, Portland, Boulder, Madison, (insert other big college town here), we hardly knew ye!

LaserBeam on May 2, 2014 at 1:57 PM

Why stop at $15.00 per hour? Heck, how about $1,000.00 per hour. Just think how rich every one will be! Oh happy day! Economics is so easy. Why can’t people just get it?

xrayiiis on May 2, 2014 at 2:10 PM

Get the heck out of there businesses if you want to survive!

sadsushi on May 2, 2014 at 2:21 PM

Why is it that liberals think money comes from the “horn of plenty” and there’s no shortage of it to spread around on all of their leftist programs?

Sure, Seattle, go ahead, raise that minimum wage – but when you start losing your small businesses, fast food restaurants, etc. en masse because they cannot pay your government-mandated inflated wages, guess what? All your career loser fast-food employees will simply leave their dead-end jobs for the welfare rolls.

Good thinking, ya’ know? \s\

kcruiser on May 2, 2014 at 2:29 PM

Gov. Perry to Seattle…

Gig Em’

workingclass artist on May 2, 2014 at 2:56 PM

went to your link … did not see anything … I was going to post
this http://www.gizmag.com/hamburger-machine/25159/

conservative tarheel on May 2, 2014 at 1:42 PM

The way HA truncates long URLs buggered it up. The link you provided is the one I’m referring to.

What gets me is that none of the bleeding hearts could see this coming. Robots have been replacing auto workers for thirty years now. Unlike the welds coming loose in an SUV at highway speeds, no one dies if a pickle slides off a meat patty.

People are reading this thread on cell phones that in the 1970s would have cost more than the entire US aircraft carrier fleet (computer memory in 1972 cost about a dollar a byte, my phone has 48 billion bytes of memory) and they really think that burger flippers and baristas can’t be replaced?

Alberta_Patriot on May 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

Kshama Sawant, a socialist elected to the council on her own $15 pledge, calls those suggestions “fear mongering” and says people who cling to tips miss the point. “We don’t want any worker to be beholden to the mood of the customer on any given day,” she says.

Oh yes, I will always take economic advise from a genius who thinks ‘F@#& the Customer!’ is a good business model. What could go wrong? The voters who put her on the council deserve their prize…. good and hard.

CapnObvious on May 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM

Alberta_Patriot on May 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

That just means more unemployed Dem voters dependent on gubmint handouts.
Win – Win!!!

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 3:13 PM

Wouldn’t surprise me if they passed it. Of course, this will most assuredly lead to higher prices and higher unemployment in their state. However, it will never be blamed on the minimum wage hike. Liberals never admit to failures of their policies. It’s the intentions that matter.

Bob Davis on May 2, 2014 at 3:20 PM

Meople on May 2, 2014 at 11:55 AM

The cost of living has increased easily 25% over the last 6 years in most places around the country.

The inflation calculator disagrees with you, It calculates the cumulative effect of inflation since 2008 has been 9.7%.

Businesses WILL NOT “find some way” to keep their doors open when this happens.

Considering the sunk costs of opening a business, especially in a big city like Seattle, they’ll do their damndest to keep the doors open.

Small businesses WILL go OUT of business.

They are teh most likely to, as they are probably the least capable, financially, of taking the risk associated with a major redesign necessary for automation.

And big chains that employ low wage workers WILL close them down, because their costs will dictate that.

Big chains are exactly the businesses who will change their business model. First of all, they usually have large sunk costs, in the form of ownership of property, or long term leases. Second, they can afford labor cutting automation, and can afford the risk associated with uncertainty (yeah, there’s a risk the city turns back the min wage, and you’ve committed to expensive automation changeover).

McDonald’s isn’t giving up on Seattle, any more than they gave up on NYC or SFO…

JohnGalt23 on May 2, 2014 at 3:25 PM

So, in Seattle, the new phrase replacing “the customer is always right” will be “the entitled worker has priority over the customer”.

Yeah, that’ll work out just fine.

Diluculo on May 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM

This is ridiculous! Fifteen dollars an hour is only $30,000 per year, hardly enough to lift a family out of poverty. The minimum wage should be set at least at $40 per hour. that will insure that poor folks would be able to live a normal life.

Of course, it will also collapse the job market and raise prices to the point that nobody can buy anything, making the poor worse off than ever, but secure in the knowledge that plenty of others are joining their plight.

ronaldpass on May 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Of course, it will also collapse the job market and raise prices to the point that nobody can buy anything, making the poor worse off than ever, but secure in the knowledge that plenty of others are joining their plight.

ronaldpass on May 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Well – misery loves company – and misery votes Dem…..

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM

Who cares what Seattle does?blockquote>

I do! I live here and have to put up with these morons! Breaks my heart to see people like this drive my city into the gutter….

Shadow on May 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM

I think the part I like best is when they get to explain to the shift leaders, assistant managers etc. who worked their butts off to get a raise to $15 are suddenly back sharing the bottom rung.

Ooh, ooh, or even better, then the even MORE qualified $20/hour managers get cut to $15 an hour because the business can’t afford it, and they get to share the bottom rung with the other 2. What a great reward for years of making the extra effort to advance themselves!

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

CapnObvious on May 2, 2014 at 3:55 PM

Of course, it will also collapse the job market and raise prices to the point that nobody can buy anything, making the poor worse off than ever, but secure in the knowledge that plenty of others are joining their plight.

ronaldpass on May 2, 2014 at 3:40 PM

Well, ya know, you gotta crack a few eggs to make a bowl of rice….

dentarthurdent on May 2, 2014 at 3:58 PM

Fine. Just raise apartment prices to match.

If the current minimum wage there is, for the sake of argument, $10 an hour, and the average monthly rent for a one bedroom apartment is, again, for the sake of argument, $1000 a month, then when the minimum wage goes up to $15, rent automatically raises to $1500 a month.

Minimum Wage jobs aren’t meant to provide enough money for you to afford a living space, even if you work it full-time.

If you don’t have the degree or practical skills to make it on one full-time job, pull your lazy bootstraps up and get a second one on top of the first.

That’s what my family always told me.

“If Bruce Williams (Host of the old “TalkNet” radio show) can work two full-time jobs and go to college at the same time, so can you.”

Of course, I didn’t… but that’s my own fault.

HikaruKitsune on May 2, 2014 at 4:37 PM

I encourage this, it should be very instructive. I will go out on a limb and predict that raising the minimum wage to $15/hour will have no adverse effects, especially if it has seriously adverse effects.

PersonFromPorlock on May 2, 2014 at 5:20 PM

Just as crucially, he said, the plan has broad political support, with a coalition of labor and business groups ready to push hard for it

Death wish.

whatcat on May 2, 2014 at 5:40 PM

The engines may sputter and backfire. The plane may shake. It may lose altitude because it can’t really carry the load.

BUT until the plane crashes there will always be those who say “it’s still flying”.

Kshama Sawant, a socialist elected to the council on her own $15 pledge, calls those suggestions “fear mongering” and says people who cling to tips miss the point. “We don’t want any worker to be beholden to the mood of the customer on any given day,” she says.

She’s doing it because she believes in it and that there will be no negative effects. After all, she is not going to be affected by the minimum wage or what happens.

Russ808 on May 2, 2014 at 6:37 PM

People are reading this thread on cell phones that in the 1970s would have cost more than the entire US aircraft carrier fleet (computer memory in 1972 cost about a dollar a byte, my phone has 48 billion bytes of memory) and they really think that burger flippers and baristas can’t be replaced?

Alberta_Patriot on May 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

:) Problem with that being that the taxpaying population overal will have to pony up and extend some form of welfare (for life :) to these redundant barristas and burger flippers…they won’t go quietly into the proverbial night without a healthy 99% OWS-style fight :), now that they have Picketty to lend credence to their fight :)….look what’s happening in san fran and how they shame, terrorize and blackmail the techies in Sillicon Valley there to put more money into the ciity coffers (cuz apparently their presence there drove the prices up and people can’t afford to live there anymore :)…not that it’s not fun to watch how they’re scratching their heads trying to figure how to deal with this situation, they brought it upon themsleves, they are all rabid leftists in Sil Valley….the latest thing that cracked me up, the local population is outraged coz these young techies are hauled to work by buses (from san fran proper to Sil Valley), buses that are paid for and operated by their comonaies of course…the locals call thiem ‘luxury buses’ because they are fitted with wi-fi :)…So you get it, going to work by bus is considered a luxury according to the revolted 99% san fran crowd, as opposed to driving in the comfort of your own car :)…what happened to urging the people to carpool or use public transport to save the environment :)…cognitive dissonance, much…anyways, I digress… my point being that either that, or minimum wage, we end up paying them anyways…

jimver on May 2, 2014 at 6:43 PM

It’s ‘Santa Fe,” not ‘Sante Fe.’

BillCarson on May 2, 2014 at 6:50 PM

Fine, Seattle. Raise the minimum wage, and we’ll see how many service industry types continue to have jobs after that. But that’s not anything that I can do something about; there’s no law against being stupid, and you’ll just have to live with the consequences of your decision.

But whether some of your jobs are lost or not, if you do this then the cost of providing a meal or a drink or a hotel stay will go up in your city. And although you will almost surely increase the costs of those services to compensate for the wage increase, I have no corresponding obligation to support your earnest foolishness.

So here’s what I’m going to do: the next time I’m in town, I’ll simply deduct the differential imposed by that ‘democratic’ choice (as reflected in the amount of the bill) from the amount that I had previously intended to tip. After all, it’s only fair. Unlike Seattle, my ability to pass along costs isn’t unlimited, and it’s MY choice to visit.

Clioman on May 2, 2014 at 7:01 PM

We don’t want any worker to be beholden to the mood of the customer on any given day

This quote is an illustration of why I cannot bring myself to hate Democrat politicians anymore. People are told things like this in their face, and they are like: well, I guess, it’s a good point. We need to look in the mirror because we are degenerating as a country.

PBH on May 2, 2014 at 7:33 PM

Pffttt!!!

Cheapskates!!! Go for $150 per hour as the minimum wage. Come on, do it for the children!!!

patch on May 2, 2014 at 9:05 PM

Why not short circuit all the interim changes and just go straight to $50 an hour.That way everyone could plan on buying a home, etc and not have to worry about where the money was coming from. I mean if every business can afford $15, then there’s no reason they can’t forego profits for a few more years and go ahead and make sure there employees are well cared for.

Redteam on May 2, 2014 at 9:11 PM

Small businesses insisted on delaying the increased min wage because “Most of us have leases to run out and it will take time to find a new location outside the city limits”. Or words to that effect.

I sure wish I owned commercial/retail business space just outside Seattle city limits!

EXODUS!

Seattle: 83.9 square miles surrounded by reality.

Tard on May 2, 2014 at 9:53 PM

So, what this ends up doing is pushing people who can’t produce $15 an hour out of the city, or onto whatever dole they have. Business models will change to shift to use more skilled labor that costs that much anyway — technicians to service automated product lines, etc.

Well, better that they do it at as small a level as possible. Few things are worse than the enactment of a national minimum wage.

Count to 10 on May 2, 2014 at 9:56 PM

This marxist council-thing, Kshama Sawantoruinmybusiness will move onto her next job crippling idea.

Every day it rains in Seattle, employees have a choice to stay home and take a fully paid “rain day”. The amount of rain days taken per year will be limited…..say 30 to 90 days. However, no rainy days can be denied if the an employee exceeds the set limit.

Seattle is open for business…..(echo)…..I said Seattle is open for business!!….(echo)….KShama said Seattle is open for business!!!!……(echo)…..

Kshama sad. Kshama wonders where everyone gone.

StubbornGreenBurros on May 2, 2014 at 11:13 PM

Messrs. Gates, Allen, & Bezos, what say you?

diogenes on May 2, 2014 at 11:39 PM

Each town, city, county or state setting its own minimum wage is a good idea. The Feds need to get out of the minimum wage setting business.

Let the local governing authority take the risk for setting and raising minimum wage. This will promote competition between the different areas the country for good workers – and thoroughly test the Dem theory of higher minimum wage = more prosperity.

So, Seattle, go ahead and do it. We’ll all be watching.

oakland on May 3, 2014 at 7:17 AM

If you want to keep us workers from being beholden to the moods of an increasingly stupid and entitled public, give businesses a legal fig leaf or three to fire abusive and gold-digging customers instead of being legally obligated to serve every mouth-breather unless they try to rob the place with a gun instead of lawsuit threats.

If the customers at my business knew that repeated verbal abuse could net them, say, a cancellation of their contract and service and THEY paid the early-termination fees, I assure you the wanton a$$hattery and ‘deal-seeking’ (gimme more discounts or I quit) would drop like a lead balloon.

We can’t even require that current customers not slam us on Facebook for not giving their entitled behinds more discounts – and I can darn well assure you that us EMPLOYEES either have to put on Stepford-smiler masks online or use some serious track-covering.

LawfulGood on May 3, 2014 at 12:27 PM

Bye, bye Starbucks! Heck, even Bill Gates may move M’soft out of Washington.

Hey, leftist Democrats, try to grocery shop in, say two years! Oh, what about those poor people who will bear the burden of price increases to pay higher wages?

The left is just nuts.

MN J on May 3, 2014 at 1:20 PM

And in future news, Seattle no longer has fast food restaurants.

Sure they will. You walk in, put your credit card in a slot, push a button, and a robot cooks your selection for you.

Socratease on May 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Sure they will. You walk in, put your credit card in a slot, push a button, and a robot cooks your selection for you.

Socratease on May 3, 2014 at 1:49 PM

Seattle 2020 – Carl’s Jr.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW-4LU79qbU

StubbornGreenBurros on May 3, 2014 at 3:09 PM

This can’t help Seattle’s vagrant problem either – IE fewer jobs. Panhandling there is rampant.

diogenes on May 3, 2014 at 3:27 PM

Working at Ft. Lewis last year, Mrs Hawkdriver visited and asked to go to the Seattle Fish market.

Sorry. Complete freak show.

hawkdriver on May 3, 2014 at 5:17 PM

JohnGalt23 on May 2, 2014 at 3:25 PM

Sounds like you support a minimum wage hike.

hawkdriver on May 3, 2014 at 5:19 PM

“For some things, that is simply not an option. High salary workers in Seattle are still going to demand McDonald’s for lunch, and aren’t going to want to drive all the way to Tacoma to fill up their gas tanks. Those businesses are going to have to find some economic way to supply that demand.”

At every income, there is a point of choice vs. value. Brownbags and lunch pails will make a return. Like most progressive ideas. the IDEA is better than the actual outcome and consequences….

BamaXray on May 3, 2014 at 5:47 PM

Seattle just put twenty dollar hamburgers and robot waitresses on a fast track.

Moesart on May 3, 2014 at 7:30 PM

Henry Ford’s $5 a day was seen as dangerous. And yet nowadays $10 an hour isn’t enough for people to live on.

Raising the minimum wage simply lowers the value of each dollar. the marxists now that but they believe you don’t so they seize on that to gain power.

rbj on May 2, 2014 at 8:47 AM

The difference between Henry Ford and the City of Seattle was that in one case you had a CEO doing it with money from the company.

Granted… perhaps Henry Ford had to get that past the Board of Directors to get that done but no one was holding a gun to anyone’s head.

The City of Seattle on the other hand CAN hold a gun to your head.

Chaz706 on May 3, 2014 at 9:02 PM

LOL…that giant sucking sound will be large businesses FLEEING Washington, and laying off people.

p51d007 on May 3, 2014 at 9:19 PM

May the “watering-down” continue to the point where the only people mandated to be $15 per hour are city Councillors.

I have a hard time believing they can mandate a minimum wage to Seattle businesses operating in other states. The fog of medical marijuana in City Hall must be very dense.

virgo on May 4, 2014 at 10:58 AM

the pilgrims thought that socialism was a great idea until they implemented it and learned the hard way with hunger that it did not work.
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the Europeans learned the hard way that including tips resulted in lousy service.
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And we learn that doped up Seattle is too stupid to learn a lesson from other people’s mistake.

huntingmoose on May 4, 2014 at 12:38 PM

The difference between Henry Ford and the City of Seattle was that in one case you had a CEO doing it with money from the company.

Granted… perhaps Henry Ford had to get that past the Board of Directors to get that done but no one was holding a gun to anyone’s head.

The City of Seattle on the other hand CAN hold a gun to your head.

Chaz706 on May 3, 2014 at 9:02 PM

Exactamundo; there is a Grand Canyon-sized gulf between the two.

Ford cottoned on to the notion that you couldn’t buy crap with sweatshop wages and paid his workers accordingly. Seattle is a mass of economic illiterates with fairy-floss notions of fantasy.

LawfulGood on May 4, 2014 at 12:46 PM

“We don’t want any worker to be beholden to the mood of the customer on any given day,”

that’s right! the customer doesn’t do squat but give you their hard earned money so the business you work for can pay your salary….in fact, they are so worthless in the business equation, we’ll just raise prices on them so high so they stop coming to our business that pays our salary! BRILLIANT!

dk0sntrukt on May 4, 2014 at 7:32 PM

Seattle is probably going to enact a $15/hour minimum wage

Can homes selling for $100 and a police chief experiencing a carjacking be far behind in Seattle?

Dr. ZhivBlago on May 4, 2014 at 9:53 PM

Detroit….. hahahahahahaha….. hope it doesn’t take too long.

ultracon on May 4, 2014 at 10:06 PM

Next up workers own the company they work for. You will no longer own your business.
You as the employer will be owned by your employees.
That idea has been out there for a long time. It will come to the forefront soon.
Evil employers profiting off of the backs of the workers.
These people aren’t trying to be secretive anymore.
They want everything to be seized by the state.

Badger40 on May 5, 2014 at 8:29 AM

and thoroughly test the Dem theory of higher minimum wage = more prosperity.

oakland on May 3, 2014 at 7:17 AM

There you are. Oh I’ve missed your wisdom so much.
Bcs it’s not like this ‘theory’ or rather past-repeated-fail hypothesis has ever been tested for reals.
I honestly do not know how you go through life like this.
I do, however, agree with your local control mindset. By all means let local governments go all out socialist if they want. Let them defecate in their own beds and wallow in it.

I love it when you heartless h8er rethuglikkans complain about paying people a living wage. It just shows how heartless and full of hate you really are. You’d pay $0.01/hr if you had your way you greedy heartless h8ers.

Murphy9 on May 2, 2014 at 8:53 AM

Post & run. Offer no solutions to problems.
BTW, have you ever owned your own business? It’s clear you have not.
I actually realize I’m wasting my time here with you bcs from that statement it is clear you’re not interested in thoughtful discourse.
There have been thousands of coherent, fact filled arguments based upon real evidence. The minimum wage experiment has been repeated all over the country for decades and the same results happen: huge unemployment for low/no skill employees. Huge black American unemployment. Huge Native American unemployment. Huge adolescent unemployment. Huge special needs adults unemployment. Removed the lower rungs of the ladders to success & fewer will be able to leap high enough to grab at success.
Automation is the response to this sort of thing. Small businesses will either go out of business or higher fewer employees to do MORE. Or the small business owner will just work longer hours bcs they cannot afford to hire another employee. Running our own business, we understand the costs of doing business. Something you clearly do not understand.
Businesses that are charitable with their resources without trying to make profits actually go out of business. They are not neverending wells of free money.
The fact that you think so is truly mind boggling.
But then as a teacher, I’ve noticed the vast swath of humanity are only ever capable of performing at below avg level. Your plans for min wage condemn these people to a life of bondage to the govt for support. You, Sir, are the vil POS in all of this & people like you.

Badger40 on May 5, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Badger40 on May 5, 2014 at 9:03 AM

Oh Badger I was bishing on that one(it was sarcasm) and you swallowed the hook.

Hows the ranching this season? Outlook good?

Murphy9 on May 5, 2014 at 9:47 PM

Makes me wish for two things. One, that I owned a business in Seattle that I could shut down and send all my employees the home addresses of the Seattle City Council, and two, that I could change my birth certificate. Glad I now live on the dry side of the state but, unfortunately, we are getting too much influence from the dope smoking, tree hugging, bunny kissing liberals on the wet side.

Lammo on May 6, 2014 at 12:29 AM

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