MSNBC panelist: I wish we’d finally man up and have a conversation about race

posted at 10:01 am on May 2, 2014 by Guy Benson

Yes, that’s MSNBC’s most glaring flaw: Too few conversations about race.  Morning Joe regular and recovering plagiarist Mike Barnicle nails the diagnosis (via Twitchy):

“You can’t ban racism for life. And it’s endemic in our culture. No matter how many times we say we’re gonna have a conversation about race, we never have that conversation.”

Such low-hanging fruit was too much to bear for the folks at Digitas Daily, who’ve produced a quasi-definitive MSNBC “conversations on race” super-cut.  Enjoy:

It’s tough to pick favorites among the non-news network’s myriad colloquies on racial issues, though the most nuanced ones often involve fast-talking race hustler Michael Eric Dyson.  Who could forget his thoughtful “Jewish Nazi collaborator” analysis of Clarence Thomas’ Voting Rights Act decision?  Or the time he dropped the “white privilege” bomb on a conservative guest who dared to challenge his race-baiting?  Memories.  Here’s the funnest fact about MSNBC-approved “conversations on race:” The act of engaging in them makes one high susceptible to — ta-da! –charges of racism. Those who call most loudly for these discussions are often first up in the queue to denounce people for their unapproved attitudes.*  Knee-jerk racial demagoguery is most frequently directed at conservatives, but when there’s an overriding agenda at stake, no one is safe.

*Just for the record, none of this should be construed as an implicit defense of the high-profile actual racists who’ve been in the news recently.


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Hey, is MSNBC still on air? If the answer is yes, mission is accomplished

Brock Robamney on May 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM

thatsafactjack: https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/1114413-mj-report-rfs-rel1.pdf

thatsafactjack: “An ACLU report, BIASED!!!!”

Rinse repeat…

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM

So you’re your laziness is my fault. Got it.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Your wasted tax-dollars, on black-gayness alone, racist-bigotted rubes. Work harder!

Schadenfreude on May 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM

That’s not laziness. It’s the reasonable expectation of a well written persuasive argument. You know this. You’re a working academic. Remember?

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

He’s going to prove that the war on drugs is the biggest problem that blacks face in getting ahead in life even though most blacks don’t have a criminal record.

And I’m an idiot because I think he’s contradicting himself.

He may not be contradicting himself but if he’s not then his fundamental point is that the war on drugs is having the largest impact but it’s not significant. And that racism isn’t really holding people back.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM

Okay. Quick question. Does that make me a racist or not……….

VegasRick on May 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Notice how libfreeordie never addresses the real cultural issues.

It’s the police. It’s racist laws and murky structural and institutional racism.

He never talks about the very high rate of fatherless homes.
Or any of the other cultural markers that are highly correlated with prosperity – regardless of race.

If you come from an intact family, get married (and only have children afterwards), go to church, and graduate high school you have a good shot at a prosperous life regardless of your race.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM

This is exactly why you have zero credibility. You hurled one link at me and shout some inanity at me.

You can’t blame people for suspecting your arguments if you behave like an urchin on a playground.

Make a persuasive, reasoned argument, cite your sources to support your argument and post the links to back up your claims.

Otherwise, excuse yourself from the conversation.

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

I’m really surprised that MSNBC isn’t the main carrier for the airplane disappearance. Afterall, they cut their teeth on TWA Flight 800.

J_Crater on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

So you’re laziness is my fault. Got it.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Yeah. He’s the lazy one. He’s making all sorts of claims with proof and stuff but not providing any proof and stuff.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Morning J. – do you ever sleep? :)

Schadenfreude on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Yes, because what America needs now is more race hustling …

Whitey Ford on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Okay. Quick question. Does that make me a racist or not……….

VegasRick on May 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Of course you’re racist.

And a homophobe.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

++++++

bazil9 on May 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Schadenfreude on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

I do… but lightly. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2014 at 12:19 PM

Of course you’re racist.

And a homophobe.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Can I hit the trifecta and be a bigot as well?

VegasRick on May 2, 2014 at 12:20 PM

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 11:10 AM

My word, can you provide a more excellent example of just we we’ll NEVER have an honest discussion about race?

YOU, sir, are the problem.

Cleombrotus on May 2, 2014 at 12:21 PM

Okay. Quick question. Does that make me a racist or not……….

VegasRick on May 2, 2014 at 12:15 PM

Of course you’re racist.

And a homophobe.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

And your mother dresses you funny.

bigmacdaddy on May 2, 2014 at 12:21 PM

MSNBC panelist: I wish we’d finally man up and have a conversation about race

Really? Haven’t we been talking about race ad nauseam for the last 6 years, since the time Barack Obama was running for President?

Speaking of the Easy Preezy, when is HE going to man up and start talking about all the people who lost health insurance? Or what is he going to do about the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Or why haven’t people found J-O-B-S in the 5-1/2 years since he’s been President? Or what REALLY happened in Benghazi, and why nobody in government tried to save our Ambassador? Or when are we going to build the Keystone XL pipeline and start drilling for oil offshore?

Man up, Mr. President. We know you’re black–that’s fine with us. Talk about the things that We the People want to discuss!

Steve Z on May 2, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Why is why there are racist incidents on dozens of college campuses across the country every single year…

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Most of the racist incidents on college campuses are white women being physically/sexually assaulted by non-white men.

bw222 on May 2, 2014 at 12:22 PM

Can I hit the trifecta and be a bigot as well?

VegasRick on May 2, 2014 at 12:20 PM

You, sir, are a racist bigoted misogynistic cis-normative homophobe.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:24 PM

A

nd your mother dresses you funny.

bigmacdaddy on May 2, 2014 at 12:21 PM

LOL! My wife lays my clothes out for me everyday. She’s been doing it for so long now that if she stopped I probably couldn’t get my socks to match!

VegasRick on May 2, 2014 at 12:24 PM

As much as I’d like to see a reasonable, well prepared argument from libfree, I don’t have all day… or the inclination… to wait for him to produce it.

I’m going back to work.

Have a good day, everyone. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2014 at 12:24 PM

So, if libfree wants us to use the Don Sterling cultural model can someone explain to me if libfreeordie – as a college professor – is on the tax payers plantation or are we on his plantation?

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM

As much as I’d like to see a reasonable, well prepared argument from libfree, I don’t have all day… or the inclination… to wait for him to produce it.

I’m going back to work.

Have a good day, everyone. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2014 at 12:24 PM

Oh. Fine.

Now who’s going to help clean up this mess?

bigmacdaddy on May 2, 2014 at 12:27 PM

I’m going back to work.

Have a good day, everyone. :)

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2014 at 12:24 PM

See ya! I gotta leave as well. I have to go to work and pick on some minorities or something……………..

VegasRick on May 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM

So, if libfree wants us to use the Don Sterling cultural model can someone explain to me if libfreeordie – as a college professor – is on the tax payers plantation or are we on his plantation?

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM

Well…duh. Don’t you know that white privelege dictates that he’s kept on the plantation?

And it will always be that way because racisim is inherent in our culture, and we can never really solve that because we don’t realize that we’re wrong and he’s right.

bigmacdaddy on May 2, 2014 at 12:30 PM

thatsafactjack: https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/1114413-mj-report-rfs-rel1.pdf

thatsafactjack: “An ACLU report, BIASED!!!!”

Rinse repeat…

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Ok, I lied and took a sneak peek at this.

It focuses on arrests for marijuana possession but lets look at the number of arrests nation-wide for all drug offenses (listed in the paper you linked)

Arrests for all drug offenses: 1,717,064
The US census says the black population is 38,929,319.

Now, those 1.7 million arrests weren’t all black. Most were white.
286,117 were black. So the argument is that this is disproportional. Leaving that aside what this reveals is that less than 1% of the black population were arrested on any drug charges.

Less than 1%.

Ok, fine. For the sake of argument I’ll concede that there is a disproportionate number of black arrests. But this impacts less than 1% of the black population.

This is what you want to hang your hate on? This is THE TOP 5 THINGS HOLDING BACK BLACKS?

Less than 1%?

(And remember I basically agree with you that the war on drugs needs to be curtailed).

You can’t construct a institutional and systemic theory of racism on something that directly impacts less than 1% of the population you’re claiming is oppressed.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Otherwise, excuse yourself from the conversation.

thatsafactjack on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 PM

Well, he keeps doing that. Says he’s leaving HotAir– and always comes back. Masochist streak or something.

de rigueur on May 2, 2014 at 12:55 PM

Most of the racist incidents on college campuses are white women being physically/sexually assaulted by non-white men.

bw222 on May 2, 2014 at 12:22 PM

No, no, no … that’s not ‘assault.’ It’s oppressed non-white males just trying to add some diversity to the white women’s genes so that one day in the future we will all be of one race.

What could possibly be more noble?

fadetogray on May 2, 2014 at 12:57 PM

Ok, I lied and took a sneak peek at this.

It focuses on arrests for marijuana possession but lets look at the number of arrests nation-wide for all drug offenses (listed in the paper you linked)

Arrests for all drug offenses: 1,717,064
The US census says the black population is 38,929,319.

Now, those 1.7 million arrests weren’t all black. Most were white.
286,117 were black. So the argument is that this is disproportional. Leaving that aside what this reveals is that less than 1% of the black population were arrested on any drug charges.

Less than 1%.

Ok, fine. For the sake of argument I’ll concede that there is a disproportionate number of black arrests. But this impacts less than 1% of the black population.

This is what you want to hang your hate on? This is THE TOP 5 THINGS HOLDING BACK BLACKS?

Less than 1%?

(And remember I basically agree with you that the war on drugs needs to be curtailed).

You can’t construct a institutional and systemic theory of racism on something that directly impacts less than 1% of the population you’re claiming is oppressed.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 12:53 PM

Small correction: 286,117 is the number of black arrests for marijuana possession – not all drug arrests.

Still, my point and analysis still stands.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 1:06 PM

To us conversation means “a free and open discussion of multiple viewpoints in a respectful manner”.

At MessNBCe it means “We lecture and you proles heed!”

LaserBeam on May 2, 2014 at 1:42 PM

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 10:28 AM

Slave, your Driver awaits.

Bmore on May 2, 2014 at 2:13 PM

Frankly, I’m sick of talking about race in this country. That seems to be all we talk about. It’s like picking at a scab – the wound never heals because we won’t leave it alone. It is past time to stop talking about race and stop discriminating and reverse-discriminating on the basis of race. Take King’s advice – judge a person by the content of his character and stop obsessing over the color of his skin. Of course, I know the Left/Democrats will only continue to harp about race because the only cards they can use to divide us are race, sex, and class. So, I guess it will continue ad infinitum.

justbob223 on May 2, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Frankly, I’m sick of talking about race in this country. That seems to be all we talk about. It’s like picking at a scab – the wound never heals because we won’t leave it alone. It is past time to stop talking about race and stop discriminating and reverse-discriminating on the basis of race. Take King’s advice – judge a person by the content of his character and stop obsessing over the color of his skin. Of course, I know the Left/Democrats will only continue to harp about race because the only cards they can use to divide us are race, sex, and class. So, I guess it will continue ad infinitum.

justbob223 on May 2, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Slavenowandie doesn’t want the conversation to go where the -real- problem is, namely the deliberate educational malpractice that he and his Resentment Studies colleagues engage in to encourage the lack of interest in authentic education in the African-American community.

He doesn’t even have competent knowledge of his own claimed specialty:

It returns!!

Wellcum bak, perfesser.

VibrioCocci on November 7, 2013 at 8:21 AM

Watch as I make him scurry back to his hole.

Maybe Weld county voters realized that they receive more state revenue than they contribute and that they need to quit their complaining. And sorry conservatives, those northern colorado communities are over 90% white, so you can’t use your silly claim that red states are full of mooches because of racial demographics.

libfreeordie on November 7, 2013 at 8:08 AM

Fascinating, but hard to concentrate on when you still have an outstanding issue you have yet to address:

Here’s a simple question for you. Which of the founding fathers did not subscribe to the communitarian ethos Calhoun deploys to rationalize slavery? *sets sundial*

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:30 AM

None. They weren’t nascent Commies like John C. Calhoun, and full blown Commies like you. Don’t you think you need to provide some proof for such a ridiculous smear there Mr. Calhoun? You’re a history perfesser, right?

NotCoach on August 21, 2013 at 9:36 AM

Oh dear God….hold on, give me 10 minutes.

libfreeordie on August 21, 2013 at 9:45 AM

1,650+ hours now perfesser. Perhaps it’s time to consult one of your fellow gay, black, wymynz studies intemlectualers on this.

NotCoach on November 7, 2013 at 8:31 AM

ebrown2 on May 2, 2014 at 2:58 PM

They don’t want an honest conversation about race, because white people aren’t so willing to sit back and be blamed for every single sin and ill in the world anymore, but are willing to start demanding some accountability and personal responsibility from everyone, minorities included.

RebeccaH on May 2, 2014 at 2:59 PM

thatsafactjack: https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/1114413-mj-report-rfs-rel1.pdf

thatsafactjack: “An ACLU report, BIASED!!!!”

Rinse repeat…

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:14 PM

Care to respond to this report on rampant anti-Caucasian racism, in the state O’bama claims to have been born in?

It’s from my favorite Far-Right source, the Southern Poverty Law Center!

Del Dolemonte on May 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

Care to respond to this report on rampant anti-Caucasian racism, in the state O’bama claims to have been born in?

It’s from my favorite Far-Right source, the Southern Poverty Law Center!

Del Dolemonte on May 2, 2014 at 3:01 PM

I’m sure libfreeordie will be here any moment to explain to us how less than 1% of the black population being arrested on marijuana charges is the biggest obstacle for blacks.

Once again, a libfreeordie link utterly fails to make his basic point.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 3:09 PM

Here’s how I teach it to students. I often will ask “do you believe that a member of the Klan never helped a neighbor? Watched a friend’s kid? Aided someone in need? Taught an elementary school class?” Etc. The point is that racism *ISN’T* antithetical to someone being a good person and an upstanding member of the community.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 10:55 AM

Ridiculous. No different than saying “Some Nazis certainly helped little old ladies cross the street.”

You claim to dislike racism, but you love it. Racism keeps you employed. Racism gives you grist for the mill. Without racism, your classes would have no students. Your papers wouldn’t be published.

Instead of trying to get rid of racism, you’re trying to define it down. You know that honest-to-goodness racists like Sterling are dying out, and that younger generations are far less racist, but you can’t abide by that, becuase it would ruin your narrative. So you define racism down until everyone is a racist, and then you say “well, you can still be a racist and a good person, but you need to admit your racism. Then I’ll tell you what you can do to fix it.”

Good Solid B-Plus on May 2, 2014 at 3:48 PM

Libree is right about college athletes being treated like slaves. Libfree, care to explain why the most liberal institution in America (our university system) talks a big game about equality, hires Marxist professors to teach in their Econ departments, but then exploits and refuses to compensate student athletes that make them hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue?

Of course, the pro sports argument is ludicrous, because pro atheltes are well compensated, able to become free agents, and able to be compensated outside of the team apparatus by securing third-party endorsements. The reserve clause which caused Curt Flood to liken himself to a “well-payed slave” no longer exists in any major sports league.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 2, 2014 at 3:53 PM

And then I grew up and made friends across racial groups based upon shared interest and politics, the end.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 11:48 AM

But how is that possible? Everyone harbors anti-black attitudes, so why would they want to be friends with you?

If I cite a study, all you’ll do is claim it is “biased” and discount it without evaluating any of the evidence.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:00 PM

Last time I asked you to cite a study showing that whites are disproportionately given lower sentences for the same crimes, and you linked to a series of essays about “the future of racism in American criminal justice” that didn’t cite any data at all.

So, yeah, the next time you cite a germane study will be the first.

Wait, your’re serious. You truly don’t understand that those aren’t contradictory statements. Jesus H. Christ.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 11:50 AM

Explain how they’re not. You mock Bill Cosby’s stance because it doesn’t fit the “data,” but the vast majority of blacks will never be arrested for a drug offense.

Good Solid B-Plus on May 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on May 2, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Ha ha ha.

Awesome.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 4:16 PM

“Man-up” is sexist. It must mean MSNBC is filled with bigoted misogynists.

zoyclem on May 2, 2014 at 4:17 PM

A discussion about Barnacle stealing others material might be more interesting…

zoyclem on May 2, 2014 at 4:17 PM

The point is that racism *ISN’T* antithetical to someone being a good person and an upstanding member of the community.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 10:55 AM

When I want an example of racism, I just read one of your posts. You’re one of the most bigoted people on this site.

zoyclem on May 2, 2014 at 4:19 PM

…and all this while I thought that this was the whole raison d’être of MSNBC, to talk about race… The reason they were put on earth…

jimver on May 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM

What counts among progressives as a conversation? Them talking?

newpine on May 2, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Ok, let’s start with the conversation with this. http://predicthistunpredictpast.blogspot.com/2013/07/who-was-first-slave-owner-in-america.html

Zorro Olmer on May 2, 2014 at 4:39 PM

LOL

usejwat on May 2, 2014 at 4:51 PM

What counts among progressives as a conversation? Them talking?

newpine on May 2, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Yes, it’s usually monologues, either that or preaching to the(ir) choires…

jimver on May 2, 2014 at 4:56 PM

Take King’s advice – judge a person by the content of his character and stop obsessing over the color of his skin.

justbob223 on May 2, 2014 at 2:30 PM

Oh come on now Bob – MLK was a registered Republican, and therefore a racist. Why would we want to listen to the advice of anyone who would associate himself with that racist organization?

/ Do I really need the sarc tag?

SubmarineDoc on May 2, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Oh come on now Bob – MLK was a registered Republican, and therefore a racist. Why would we want to listen to the advice of anyone who would associate himself with that racist organization?

/ Do I really need the sarc tag?

SubmarineDoc on May 2, 2014 at 5:02 PM

You don’t need a sarc tag but mentioning that MLK was a Republican might bring libfreeordie back into the thread to rant at you.

gwelf on May 2, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Hell is paved with good intentions.

mixplix on May 2, 2014 at 5:25 PM

Here’s how I teach it to students.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 10:55 AM

When you “teach” your students about racism, do you tell them which political party founded the KKK, and do you tell them that until his death a few years ago a former Keagle in that KKK was a prominent member of the Democrat Party?

You seem to believe that because Bill Cosby is black, his articulation of anti-black ideas are somehow more legitimate. Why?

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 11:20 AM

Er, maybe because Cosby’s son was murdered by a white dude who then bragged about it to his friends?

Or maybe it’s because Cosby himself was raised in inner city Philly, and had a AWOL father like many other black kids?

Nothing I said contradicts the idea that law enforcement needs serious reform in how it deals with black people and racial minorities in general.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:11 PM

Is law enforcement only racist towards minorities? Of course not. Earlier this year here in New Hampshire a white dude was viciously beaten by cops on the (liberal) Seacoast.

Del Dolemonte on May 2, 2014 at 5:41 PM

I don’t even know what a “conversation on race” means, and neither do my friends who are not white. The only people who are in the know are the media and politicians, so put them all in a room let them go at it!

georgekaplan on May 2, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Liberal conversation on race=you’re all racist and we’re not because we say you’re all racists

jaywemm on May 2, 2014 at 7:54 PM

Never heard of them. The end.
 
coolrepublica on April 30, 2014 at 7:28 PM

 

And then I grew up and made friends across racial groups based upon shared interest and politics, the end.
 
libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 11:48 AM

 
That’s odd.

rogerb on May 2, 2014 at 8:00 PM

Drop this hypocrite off in a Chicago West side neighborhood after midnight & interview him in the morning.

RdLake on May 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM

That’s odd.

rogerb on May 2, 2014 at 8:00 PM

That would explain the abject stupidity and desire to just agitate.

Murphy9 on May 2, 2014 at 9:15 PM

So you’re laziness is my fault. Got it.

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM

Isn’t libfree supposed to be some kind of college professor?
Ouch.
Tuition these days is clearly overpriced. My kids had better educators than this in grade school.

talkingpoints on May 2, 2014 at 10:20 PM

The vast majority, over 85% of black people are employed

libfreeordie on May 2, 2014 at 11:30 AM

That’s odd, given that the current employment rate overall in the US is in the 60′s and black unemployment is higher than white unemployment. Any source for that 85%?

talkingpoints on May 2, 2014 at 10:33 PM

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm
The employment rate for the adult non-insitutionalized civilian black population is 54% as of April 2014.

talkingpoints on May 2, 2014 at 10:40 PM

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm
The employment rate for the adult non-insitutionalized civilian black population is 54% as of April 2014.

talkingpoints on May 2, 2014 at 10:40 PM

What’s a 31% error among friends enemies?

ebrown2 on May 3, 2014 at 12:05 AM

So, our 15 hour conversation on race is winding down. And after all the back and forth discussion, the upshot from our resident black is:

1 If you’re white, you’re racist.
2 Whites discussing racism, is racist.
3 All of us arrived where we are in life due to white privilege.
4 White-guilt should guide all of our decisions.
5 Whites are the reason for all black failures.
6 No one understand the ethos of black victimhood.
7 Accusations of racism should be interjected in every thought, word or deed.
Now that was productive, wasn’t it? Well, wasn’t it?

AppraisHer on May 3, 2014 at 1:24 AM

There is a conversation but its a one way conversation!

serbb2 on May 3, 2014 at 6:00 AM

Yeah.
Finally.

TimBuk3 on May 3, 2014 at 12:50 PM

This is from the link I posted above.

‘In the 1640s John Casor was brought from Africa to America, where he toiled as a servant for a Virginia landowner. In 1654 Casor filed a complaint in Northampton County Court, claiming that his master, Anthony Johnson, had unjustly extended the terms of his indenture with the intention of keeping Casor his slave for life. Johnson, insisting he knew nothing of any indenture, fought hard to retain what he regarded as his personal property.

After much wrangling, on March 8, 1655, the court ruled that “the said John Casor Negro shall forthwith be returned unto the service of his master Anthony Johnson,” consigning him to a bitter lifetime of bondage. Given the vulnerable legal status of servants—black and white—in colonial America, the decision was not surprising But the documents reveal one additional fact of interest: Anthony Johnson, like his chattel Casor, was black….’

One of the first people to write about the history of black ownership of slaves in America was Carter G Woodson, whose grandparents and father had been slaves. His book, Free Negro Ownersof Slaves in the United States in 1830, was published in 1924. In it, Woodson provides the names and numbers of slaves owned by black freemen according to the United States Census of 1830.

According to the Census, there were 965 free black slave owners in Louisiana, owned 4,206 slaves. In South Carolina, there were 464 black freeman, who owned 2,715 slaves. All told, there were 3,775 free blacks, who owned 12,740 black slaves, in 1830.

If we must continue to constantly debate the ‘Original Sin’ of the United States, can we at least do it honestly?

Zorro Olmer on May 3, 2014 at 7:20 PM

It would be sexist to “man up and have a conversation about race”.

We have too many conversations, not about race, but with a narrative of how straight white males are responsible for the suppression blacks, gays and women.

It does not matter what the facts are or that there is apparently no discrimination against all other races except blacks.

Blacks are special because of the race-hustling industry built around them that can’t prosper without pan-handling for racial discrimination every day. Of course, they are not concerned about Hispanics or Asians, why would they be?

They don’t want an honest discussion about race because it raises too many obvious problems for them: the most recent example being the Supreme Court ruling on the evident racism of affirmative action.

virgo on May 4, 2014 at 10:45 AM

From the post:

*Just for the record, none of this should be construed as an implicit defense of the high-profile actual racists who’ve been in the news recently.

Oh, you mean like the rich sports team owner from the west coast who Democrats shrilly insist is a Republican, but whose last several heavy political contributions were given to Democrats?

Trochilus on May 4, 2014 at 8:12 PM

Says the pansy who probably lives in a gated community.

RdLake on May 5, 2014 at 9:18 AM

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