Carney: We dispute the GOP’s paid enrollment numbers for ObamaCare, and no, we don’t have any numbers of our own

posted at 4:21 pm on May 1, 2014 by Allahpundit

Have a laugh at the headline but there’s a fair critique hidden in his shpiel about that bombshell 67 percent figure that was dropped by the House Energy and Commerce Committee yesterday. I already gave you one potential flaw in the Committee’s analysis in my post on that — namely, it may be that populous states like California and New York, which operate their own independent state exchanges, are seeing higher rates of payment among enrollees. That data wasn’t included in the Committee’s analysis because they looked only at the federal exchange. If a big state like California, say, is seeing an 85 percent payment rate, that’s going to drag the total national payment rate up from 67 percent. And in fact, according to a report in March, that’s exactly what California’s seeing — 85 percent. That’s red flag number one.

Red flag number two is Carney’s point here about the surge in enrollment right before the deadline. Here’s Peter Suderman, making the same argument:

April 15 [the as-of date used by the Committee] is just too early to measure anything close to a final payment rate. A huge portion of Obamacare exchange sign ups came in the last few days of open enrollment, for coverage that doesn’t begin until the first day of May. More people signed up later in the month, in the law’s special open enrollment period, and in some cases their coverage won’t start until June. Since the first payments aren’t due until the first day coverage starts, or even as long as 10 days after, that means that lots of people who have signed up still have time to pay. The deadline hasn’t arrived yet. And one thing the end of March sign up spike revealed is that when it comes to health insurance under Obamacare, lots of people wait until the very last minute to take action.

In other words, the fact that 33 percent hadn’t paid as of April 15th doesn’t mean that most of them are deadbeats. What it could mean, given the huge spike in sign-ups in late March, is that a bunch of them simply hadn’t received their first bill yet or were waiting to pay their first bill during the second half of April. They’re not late in paying, they simply haven’t cut the check yet. That may explain the discrepancy between the shocking 67 percent payment rate detected by the Committee and the 80 percent payment rate that insurers have been whispering about for months. Maybe the 13 percent difference is just people who signed up on March 31st and were planning to pay on, say, April 20th. They wouldn’t show up in the Committee data, which ended on April 15th, but they’re valid enrollees nonetheless. For what it’s worth, WellPoint, a major insurer, says the payment rate among its customers is in the ballpark of 90 percent. Hmmmm.

If this is what’s happening, why would the Committee float a bombshell number that may very well turn out to be wrong? Could be it’s just their way of planting an extra seed of doubt in the public’s mind about O-Care: Even if the 67 percent figure is incorrect, it’ll stick in some voters’ minds. Seems awfully stupid, though, to give the White House a chance to say “I told you so” if the final payment rate ends up being much higher. By lowering public expectations to 67 percent, now the White House can spin an 80 percent rate as a “success” rather than the PR black eye that it is. (Twenty percent nonpayment would mean more than a million people would be tossed from the rolls.) I hope this doesn’t blow up in the Committee’s face.


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I wouldn’t call them “deadbeats – don’t you think it’s possible that more than a few people decided to sign up to meet the mandate, but later will claim that they can’t afford the premiums and thus avoid a penalty?

corona79 on May 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Iowahawk turned this into a hilarious twitter tag #jaycarneystyle

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Wife: why are you covered in glitter and smell like alcohol and stripper perfume?
Me: I reject the premise of your question.
#JayCarneyStyle

Defenestratus on May 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM

It’s rrally amazing you guys keep listening to the same people who keep getting proven wrong, over and over again.
 
The insurance companies are already reporting 90+% payment rates not even a month after the enrollment closed.
 
They’re also reporting a healthy mix at or higher than exoectations, meaning no significant premium hikes are coming.
 
Why do you guys intentionally ignore reality in favor of listening to the proven lies of congresspeople?
 
everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 4:08 PM

 
Fresh from the garden.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM

I already saw a 32% premium hike. Is that significant to you Twinkie-filling for brains?

Murphy9 on May 1, 2014 at 4:28 PM

namely, it may be that populous states like California and New York, which operate their own independent state exchanges, are seeing higher rates of payment among enrollees.

The two states with the most leeches could see a higher payment rate than others?

Did you even think before writing that?

BobMbx on May 1, 2014 at 4:29 PM

Yeah, California, I’m sure they will boost the risk pool with loads of young illegals…

PatriotRider on May 1, 2014 at 4:29 PM

The insurance companies are already reporting 90+% payment rates not even a month after the enrollment closed.

They’re also reporting a healthy mix at or higher than exoectations, meaning no significant premium hikes are coming.

Why do you guys intentionally ignore reality in favor of listening to the proven lies of congresspeople?

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Care to share one of these reports that are nowhere on MSNBC or CCN?

Johnnyreb on May 1, 2014 at 4:30 PM

Ever wonder why Carney stays in this job? Has to be tough to be a serial liar but then again he is a lib, being a liar is a desirable trait to them.

major dad on May 1, 2014 at 4:33 PM

I never thought I would see the degree of dishonesty from an administration to the American people. Any person who still has faith in the Obama administration or the Democratic party is too stupid or dishonest themselves to believe.

TXMomof3 on May 1, 2014 at 4:35 PM

Why do you guys intentionally ignore reality in favor of listening to the proven lies of congresspeople?

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Not a nice way to talk about Elanor Holmes Norton.

itsspideyman on May 1, 2014 at 4:38 PM

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

weedisgood on May 1, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Alphapundit the numbers are falsified period there is no 8 million erollees also the state exhanges are only marginally better then the federal by marginally I mean they are sucking millions of dollars with zero results…

sorrowen on May 1, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Any person who still has faith in the Obama administration or the Democratic party is too stupid or dishonest themselves to believe.

TXMomof3 on May 1, 2014 at 4:35 PM

It’s judicial blindness and it is indicative of horrible, horrible things to come.

It’s beyond girding time.

Murphy9 on May 1, 2014 at 4:39 PM

There are no enemy tanks in Baghdad! There are no enemy tanks in Baghdad!

Texas Zombie on May 1, 2014 at 4:40 PM

Also it’s “enrollment” with a promise ring…

sorrowen on May 1, 2014 at 4:41 PM

The fact that the Regime won’t release any actual data tells me everything I need to know.

forest on May 1, 2014 at 4:41 PM

“Sure, we track every phone call, text, etc. of every American and numerous foreigners…. but, no, we don’t know how many people have bought insurance nor do we have any demographic breakdown of those who have purchased insurance on the exchanges.”

I can’t figure out why the government “trust” level is at an all time low.

chuckfinlay on May 1, 2014 at 4:42 PM

major dad on May 1, 2014 at 4:33 PM

He is absolutely perfect in this job for this administration. Obama would be wise to keep him til the end of his term so as to keep all of the lies straight. A replacement might give away some truths.

Brat on May 1, 2014 at 4:42 PM

Anymore, Carney reminds me of a scene from an episode of M*A*S*H about 40 years ago. Hawkeye and Trapper travel to Seoul to attend a press briefing held by some general. After the two of them grill the general about how poorly the field hospitals are supplied, all the reporters jump in and start asking pointed questions.

To which the general replies, “This is a press conference. The last thing I want to do is answer a lot of questions!”

BuckeyeSam on May 1, 2014 at 4:43 PM

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

weedisgood on May 1, 2014 at 4:39 PM

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/26/andrew-breitbart-offers-10000-to-united-negro-college-fund/

Still waiting. Hurry up you could get lots a bucks for your weed.

MontanaMmmm on May 1, 2014 at 4:46 PM

Also I do think they have the data but the administration does not want it out there and unlike Alphapundit I know these high sign up numbers are BS. And Carney lies all the time look at the Benghazi thing dude lies through his teeth.

sorrowen on May 1, 2014 at 4:47 PM

Jay Carney (D-Bag)

Joe Mama on May 1, 2014 at 4:48 PM

I wonder how he goes home at night and looks at his wife and kids. His wife must know that he is nothing more than a prostituted liar at this point. His kids are also old enough to know. I bet his conscience keeps him up at night and I also bet he medicates just to get some sleep. I hope his dreams haunt him as well.

He deserves nothing less!

D-fusit on May 1, 2014 at 4:48 PM

Math = racism.

Joe Mama on May 1, 2014 at 4:49 PM

Carney: We dispute the GOP’s paid enrollment numbers for ObamaCare, and no, we don’t have any numbers of our own

.
The very definition of stall tactics.

ExpressoBold on May 1, 2014 at 4:50 PM

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

weedisgood on May 1, 2014 at 4:39 PM

Still waiting for this one, get going the burden is on you.

http://michellemalkin.com/2010/03/26/andrew-breitbart-offers-10000-to-united-negro-college-fund/

MontanaMmmm on May 1, 2014 at 4:53 PM

Carney, just keep lying. Everyone knows that everything that comes out of you and your bosses mouth is a lie. You do nothing but reinforce that perception everyday.

Tater Salad on May 1, 2014 at 4:54 PM

test

MontanaMmmm on May 1, 2014 at 4:54 PM

and no, we don’t have any numbers of our own.

In other words, the fact that 33 percent hadn’t paid as of April 15th doesn’t mean that most of them are deadbeats.


My thoughts in reverse order

3) The Eeyore known as AP has returned.

2) How, at this point, can ANYONE possibly read the first quoted item and then stumble into Unicorn Land while WRITING the second quoted item as if the track record of Lying Liars was not the daily norm for the last 5+ years?

1) Sarah Palin needs to broaden her “if I was in charge” mantra to include the use of waterboarding as a means of getting the Lying Liars to FINALLY tell the truth.

PolAgnostic on May 1, 2014 at 4:54 PM

Fresh from the garden.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM

So everClear is Jay Carney??

ToddPA on May 1, 2014 at 4:55 PM

The burden of proof is on the accuser.

Dave’s Still Not Here on May 1, 2014 at 4:39 PM

“Bush Lied about WMD’s!” comes to mind…

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2014 at 4:55 PM

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 4:08 PM

Fresh from the garden manure spreader.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 4:26 PM

Slightly edited to reflect reality.

Del Dolemonte on May 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM

I can only imagine what must go into Carney’s press briefing prep. Maybe 5-10 professional, serial liars-without-conscience gaming out the various lies they plan to push out for the day.

“So Jay, what can you say to make them believe __________? Well, if I say it this way, _________, they can’t pin that to anything because it’s too vague and ambivalent. That usually works. But Jay, what if they ask _____________? Well, then I’ll just refer them to another department for an answer, or use my “as we have always said,______” lines. That’s always hard for them to refute on the fly and ends the question.” on and on infinitum.

We are being ruled by sociopathic criminal Chicago mobsters who lie without conscience, rob us blind without guilt, and impose their fascism and tyranny on us with utter impunity.

The WH Press corps are their knowing and eager accomplices to blatant criminality, because they know in the end “they’ll be taken care of.” My hatred for these people grows daily.

Harbingeing on May 1, 2014 at 4:58 PM

Red flag number two is Carney’s point here about the surge in enrollment right before the deadline.

Excuse me. If they don’t have data of their own, how in the he!! do they know there was a huge rush of enrollees at the end? How can you dispute Congress’ numbers by saying numbers we don’t have or won’t provide show something else??? They won’t provide data on anything, that’s the point.

Erich66 on May 1, 2014 at 4:59 PM

…except for the part where Team Obama has lied to our faces constantly regarding every aspect of Obamacare. Kind of makes me doubt them now.

mitchellvii on May 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Insurance companies say 90% have paid, GOP congressmen say 66% have paid.

Hmmmm, who should i believe?

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Well how could you not dispute that which is the unknown?

Bmore on May 1, 2014 at 5:02 PM

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Good afternoon fool.

Bmore on May 1, 2014 at 5:02 PM

Oh Le-a (Ledasha)darling, can you expound upon your unfounded claim?

Murphy9 on May 1, 2014 at 5:03 PM

The real key isn’t even how many pay the first month. Presumably it will end up higher than 67% – why bother enrolling and finishing the process if you aren’t going to pay at all?

The problems will come when the people who are paying these premiums begin to seek services through the year. They will find their “plan” carries such high deductibles and co-pays that most will end up paying at least as much as their annual premiums AGAIN before they start seeing any benefits (except the mandated “free” tests).

How long will healthy people pay inflated amounts?

Adjoran on May 1, 2014 at 5:06 PM

If this is what’s happening, why would the Committee float a bombshell number that may very well turn out to be wrong? Could be it’s just their way of planting an extra seed of doubt in the public’s mind about O-Care: Even if the 67 percent figure is incorrect, it’ll stick in some voters’ minds. Seems awfully stupid, though, to give the White House a chance to say “I told you so” if the final payment rate ends up being much higher. By lowering public expectations to 67 percent, now the White House can spin an 80 percent rate as a “success” rather than the PR black eye that it is. (Twenty percent nonpayment would mean more than a million people would be tossed from the rolls.) I hope this doesn’t blow up in the Committee’s face.

Are you joking, AP?

Most people here still believe the “5-10 million have lost insurance thanks to ocare” whopper that was imediately debunked as the obious lie it was.

Of course this is going to blow up in their face, just like every single other claim they’ve made about ocare has…but of course, when it does, esteemed websites like this one won’t bother actually holding them to account for it, but will drift off to the next spin they’re given to froth at the mouth about.

You guys are suckers for their lies, and they know you will never actually call them out on it, because you never do.

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

Fine. Good afternoon you lying fool.

Bmore on May 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Fuzzy math

Sven on May 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Insurance companies say 90% have paid, GOP congressmen say 66% have paid.
 
Hmmmm, who should i believe?
 
everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

 
I’ll stick with the numbers from the most tech-savy and data-driven White House in history.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

Say, anyone else remember when corporations were evil?
 
(Good to see you again, Jay.)

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:09 PM

I’ll stick with the numbers from the most tech-savy and data-driven White House in history.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

And what do those numbers, the ones from the White House, tell us rogerb?

Murphy9 on May 1, 2014 at 5:09 PM

Jay Carney, I’ll say it to you now, the same I would any bat-shiite crazy member of the commentariat:

Questioning someone else’s sources, without providing sources of your own?

Poor form, right there…

JohnGalt23 on May 1, 2014 at 5:11 PM

If this is what’s happening, why would the Committee float a bombshell number that may very well turn out to be wrong? Could be it’s just their way of planting an extra seed of doubt in the public’s mind about O-Care: Even if the 67 percent figure is incorrect, it’ll stick in some voters’ minds. Seems awfully stupid, though, to give the White House a chance to say “I told you so” if the final payment rate ends up being much higher. By lowering public expectations to 67 percent, now the White House can spin an 80 percent rate as a “success” rather than the PR black eye that it is. (Twenty percent nonpayment would mean more than a million people would be tossed from the rolls.) I hope this doesn’t blow up in the Committee’s face.

They’ve spent millions of dollars running blatantly dishonest ads that were debunked with one easy phone call or web search…..and you guys have done nothing but defend them as it blew up in their faces.

And you are honestly wondering why they’d lie so blatantly again? Why would they worry about it blowing up in their faces? You guys will still believe it and defend it regardless…..and they know it.

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Hasn’t their actions to date pulled the rug out from under any credibility they may have been afforded?

socalcon on May 1, 2014 at 5:13 PM

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Okay. Good afternoon you feckless lying fool.

Bmore on May 1, 2014 at 5:15 PM

And you are honestly wondering why they’d lie so blatantly again? Why would they worry about it blowing up in their faces? You guys will still believe it and defend it regardless…..and they know it.

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

“If you like your plan you can keep it.”

Are you talking about a lie such as this?

Erich66 on May 1, 2014 at 5:16 PM

Hasn’t their actions to date pulled the rug out from under any credibility they may have been afforded?

socalcon on May 1, 2014 at 5:13 PM

Unless you are a Koolaid drinker liker everdisoridiculous

NoFanofLibs on May 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I think 2 things are going on:

1) Low expectations. By releasing the “67%” – there is a good chance that the total net could be higher. Even a 1% increase is “more” – and the Admin is allowing everyone to bash them knowing…
2) They are doing everything they can to get people to pay their first month premiums, so again – the net “paid” number can increase,even if just 1%

48M uninsured was the “sell item” to get ACA passed. Amazingly – 8M total is the now celebrated number, with a large percentage of those either Medicaid or prior insured, with most likely 1M “previously uninsured that are now insured”

48M to 1M is the “success” everyone is allowing this admin to get away with.

Odie1941 on May 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM

Insurance companies say 90% have paid, GOP congressmen say 66% have paid.

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Congressional numbers came from insurer reports. Parse that one.

Most people here still believe the “5-10 million have lost insurance thanks to ocare” whopper that was imediately debunked as the obious lie it was.

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:07 PM

“Plans have changed in the past” hardly counts as debunking. This site listed several articles that covered the HHS regulatory structure that effectively forced active plans to change to the point where they could no longer be grandfathered, and then said the insurers were just doing the same thing they always do.

I can’t wait for your next story about how the Ocare website wasn’t actually down for two months, or how Oregon was totally signing people up electronically, because nothing this site links is ever true and everything the White House tells you is completely accurate.

The Schaef on May 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

And you are honestly wondering why they’d lie so blatantly again? Why would they worry about it blowing up in their faces? You guys will still believe it and defend it regardless…..and they know it.
 
everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

 
From yesterday:
 

I mean you guys did read the excerpt of that email specifically titled “Benghazi”, right?
 
And you noticed that there was not one reference to a video in that section, right?
 
I mean, you read it, right?
 
everdiso on April 30, 2014 at 3:40 PM

 
I’m halfway beginning to think everdiso is a sock.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

I’m halfway beginning to think everdiso is a sock sucks.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

NoFanofLibs on May 1, 2014 at 5:21 PM

Hmmmm, who should i believe?
 
everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

 
I’ll stick with the numbers from the most tech-savy and data-driven White House in history.
 
rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:08 PM

 
And what do those numbers, the ones from the White House, tell us rogerb?
 
Murphy9 on May 1, 2014 at 5:09 PM

 
They’re bound to release them any day now. I’m sure it was just a formatting error in their word processor or something.
 
Seriously, though, does anyone think there wouldn’t be styrofoam columns and a Southern accent if they had the numbers they needed?

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM

I mean, you read it, right?

everdiso on April 30, 2014 at 3:40 PM

I’m halfway beginning to think everdiso is a sock.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM


Put your hands in the air and say you don’t care.

MontanaMmmm on May 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Let me get this straight what he’s saying is that they don’t know what the numbers are, don’t have a clue but they know the Republican’s are wrong? That about it?

Oldnuke on May 1, 2014 at 5:24 PM

8M total is the now celebrated number, with a large percentage of those either Medicaid or prior insured, with most likely 1M “previously uninsured that are now insured”

Odie1941 on May 1, 2014 at 5:17 PM

I’m willing to grant them 2 million, since the Rand study said 1.4 not including the 18-day weekend at the end of March that the administration conducted after the end date of the study.

But then, the study also said that 1 million went from being insured to uninsured so your 1 million number actually susses out, when you think about it.

The Schaef on May 1, 2014 at 5:24 PM

I’m halfway beginning to think everdiso is a sock.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Well rogerb, I can tell you this. It, (everdiso) is not a US citizen and is not covered under 0Care. I suspect it lies quite a bit as well.

Bmore on May 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM

Poor everadipshit. It must suck being a liar defending other liars.

Everything, and I repeat EVERYTHING we’ve said would happen because of obamacare has come to pass. And obama and the democrats have been proven to be liars about pretty much everything.

So scurry back to thinkprogress, boy. Nobody is buying your ignorant posts.

I’m halfway beginning to think everdiso is a sock.

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:19 PM

Another zombie liberal4life, liberalrules. HotAir should check the IP.

HumpBot Salvation on May 1, 2014 at 5:27 PM

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

The Committee has spent millions? From what far-off planet are you communicating?

tngmv on May 1, 2014 at 5:35 PM

I’d venture a guess that the final numbers of those who signed up and kept and paid for their plan for a full year to drop to be in the 70%-75% range. Insurers are already seeing drop offs as each month goes by.

HumpBot Salvation on May 1, 2014 at 5:40 PM

House Republicans have facts and figures, Jay “the Benghazi-memo-has-nothing-to-do-with-Benghazi” Carney has opinions. People should choose who to believe accordingly.

Unless Carney has some facts he’d care to share with us…

Socratease on May 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

The Committee has spent millions? From what far-off planet are you communicating?

tngmv on May 1, 2014 at 5:35 PM

obamsanus

HumpBot Salvation on May 1, 2014 at 5:41 PM

2.45 million who actually paid does not even come close to 8 million or 2/3 of 8 million, not even half.

Kermit on May 1, 2014 at 5:46 PM

Eeyore’s wrong on this one. 67% is optimistic, even with Califexico reporting (lying) an 85% rate. But there’s no need to get caught up in the details and rhetoric — the bottom line is, as it has always been, that a witch’s brew of lies and incompetence continue to be the hallmark of everything the O’Bozo administration does.

They claim stunning incompetence — “we don’t have any idea how many people have people for the insurance we are selling them” — but no one is that stupid. They are lying because they cannot report the truth, that nowhere near their BS 8 million figure have actually purchase OBonehead Insurance, and the cost is going to explode when the insurance companies see the impact of a poisonous pool of insureds.

Jaibones on May 1, 2014 at 6:04 PM

A committee has a face? I thought the point of a committee was for everyone to escape blame for what it’s about to do?

ButterflyDragon on May 1, 2014 at 6:11 PM

Well rogerb, I can tell you this. It, (everdiso) is not a US citizen and is not covered under 0Care. I suspect it lies quite a bit as well.

Bmore on May 1, 2014 at 5:26 PM

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

Only two kinds of trolls at HA son, queers and Canadians. Which one are you?

slickwillie2001 on May 1, 2014 at 6:43 PM

This (carney) is a prime example of living, breathing, political prostitution.

I sincerely hope there is a hell, because this sonofabinch is going to be on the receiving end of pineapples in the rectum for all eternity.

Diluculo on May 1, 2014 at 6:45 PM

Carney: We dispute the GOP’s paid enrollment numbers for ObamaCare, and no, we don’t have any numbers of our own

…we’re going to just keep lying!…and the media can’t/won’t do anything about it!

KOOLAID2 on May 1, 2014 at 7:00 PM

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM

The numbers are rotten and you know it.

Stop being such a chump.

Chuck Schick on May 1, 2014 at 7:01 PM

If a big state like California, say, is seeing an 85 percent payment rate, that’s going to drag the total national payment rate up from 67 percent.

I’ve lived in California my entire life. Buhhleeve me. If any population can fail to meet fiscal responsibilities, it’s us.

We are the most flighty, airheaded, trend-thirsty group of nuts in the entire 50 states. I’ve met people who’s sentence can be interrupted by flashing shiny car keys in front of their face.

kurtzz3 on May 1, 2014 at 8:22 PM

Insurance companies say 90% have paid, GOP congressmen say 66% have paid.

Hmmmm, who should i believe?

everdiso on May 1, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Do you have a source for that 90% number?

Seriously, though, does anyone think there wouldn’t be styrofoam columns and a Southern accent if they had the numbers they needed?

rogerb on May 1, 2014 at 5:23 PM

Exactly! The final numbers are going to suck bigtime.

talkingpoints on May 1, 2014 at 8:45 PM

Wait, does “paying” include the people that get it free? Because if the majority of people that signed up are people that are totally subsidized and don’t have any premiums, it could be as high as 90%.

talkingpoints on May 1, 2014 at 8:48 PM

Sure Jay, and did a dog eat your homework?

Missilengr on May 2, 2014 at 2:00 AM

Do you have a source for that 90% number?

Of course I do. You would too if you followed the news.

Remember Wellpoint? The insurer you guys couldn’t stop quoting back in february when they said they might see “double digit premium increases” next year?

Yeah, well they took that back yesterday, but for some reason you guys don’t want to quote them anymore.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=lMZjU_DVOoG1yATNmIGgDg&url=http://www.webmd.com/health-insurance/20140430/wellpoint-softens-forecast-for-obamacare-rate-hikes&cd=1&ved=0CCgQ-AsoAjAA&usg=AFQjCNFKJwYiY3CDsBZnuvc4-0_lTXSmww&sig2=rWjhoM77OK9_-RBRki6a1g

On Wednesday’s conference call to discuss first-quarter results, WellPoint bosses talked less about price hikes and more about the surprising number of young adults they signed at the March 31 enrollment deadline for plans sold through the online exchanges.
The volume of last-minute enrollment “was not only substantial vs. our expectations,” said Wayne DeVeydt, WellPoint’s chief financial officer, but “we saw in each day’s applications the average age coming down in meaningful fashion.”
For insurance pools in which the healthy subsidize the sick, analysts watch the age of enrollees carefully. Younger members are typically healthier than older ones and are seen as an important stabilizer — even though their premiums are lower.
WellPoint is still analyzing the 1 million or so members who signed up for its new plans through the online portals as well as directly with the company and its Anthem Blue Cross divisions. But executives said repeatedly they were pleased with the mix of customers and with the prices they set for 2014.

So far about 90 percent of the members who signed up have paid their premiums, WellPoint executives said.

everdiso on May 2, 2014 at 12:28 PM

So how’s the weather up in Canada, everdiso?

rogerb on May 2, 2014 at 3:55 PM